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Welcome to tony's

How to Lay Girls Guide

Table of Contents

Updates - news and links to updated or added articles. Last update: Saturday, 03 June, 2000.

Before you begin:
Disclaimer - copyright information, about the origins of this guide and why your credits might be missing.
Contact information - why and why not to contact me.
Introduction - forget money, forget fame, just cut to the chase and get the girls:).

Common abbreviations and acronyms - all acronyms used in the guide explained.
Links and prominent personalities on the net / ASF - the people who have contributed the most to this guide.
Estonian translations - if you want to seduce some Estonian girls:)

General rules:
The 3 seconds rule - the most important rule you'll ever learn, say bye-bye to hesitation.
Look and feel your best - all the time!
Be the Alpha/Dominant male - be in charge of your surroundings. Including the girls:)
Do my looks matter? - yes they do, but not nearly as much as you think.
Nice guys vs jerks - the key difference between the two explained.
Good traits to have - or develop, to be a successful player.
It all comes down to satisfaction - read why you actually have the upper hand with the most beautiful of women.
Women want good sex - so make sure you do her right:)
Should you express or contain your sexual desires? - a moot point, read why.
Wanna play the dating game? - ... um... let's see now...
The rules with your wingman - if you approach girls together with a friend / wingman, make sure you agree on the rules.

Getting started:
On confidence - and getting started with approaching girls.
Experiment! - don't think twice, don't look back, just have fun!.
Casual meetings vs pick-ups - the pros and cons.
At a party - a mild alternative to the 3s rule.
Just say "Hi" - then continue with one of the two tactics described in the article.
Talk to girls - everywhere!
How to initiate a conversation - here's your back-up, in case your primary parashoot doesn't open.
Talking to her = echoing her - a stripped down version of Trance words and Eliciting values.
Fluff talk - the essential skill of talking about nothing, and how to evolve from that.
The "don't"s of fluff talk - what to avoid.
Reading body language - its like reading people's thoughts, it'll blow you away:)
Mirroring - the Jedi mind tricks of body-language explained.
Kinaesthetics - make touching the girls your second nature, even (and especially!:) if you just met them, they'll love it:)

Approaching and making them interested:
Where to meet girls - the most popular places for a pick-up.
If she seems unapproachable - then maybe everyone thinks so... and she's all alone.
General guidelines on approaching - a few pointers and examples to get you started.
Demonstrate value and personality - the basic premise of seduction.
The importance of a first impression - or relative unimportance, depending on whether you're an AFC or a PUA:)
Pace and lead - and demonstrate understanding to increase rapport.

Gimmicks - palm-reading
Night-clubs and dancing
Group tactics
Eliciting values
GM style
Sexual talk
Additional patterning skills
The patterns
Long-distance seduction
Now that she's interested:
Common signs of interest - to know you're "in":)
Building a bridge AFC-style - if you can't do anything, do it at least the AFC way:)
If more than one girl is interested in you - don't choose, you might loose:)
Reading the signs of a "committed" woman - understand her seemingly contradictory signs, and the door will be open:)
Capitalise - there's a girl that has started liking you quite on her own!? Now don't let that window close:)
Making a timely exit - instead on lingering on forever, leave her hungry for more.
Closing - how to get a girl to give you her number and a kiss:)
Asking for a... date? - now that you have her number... what next?
Proceeding instead of closing - for why would you want to "close" if things are going smooth?
Our World routine - constructing a world for her in which she will feel free to make love to you:)
Inviting the girl over to your place - to "check out a book or something...":)
If she has second-thoughts - she wants it but can't quite make up her mind, "help" her:)
My home is my love-nest - make sure you can be confident about the quality of your retreat.
Networking and pivots - if you're not quite interested anymore or she's not quite interested yet.

Handling the girls:
Be busy - attract girls by being "busy".
Suggest competition - keep her on her toes.
Put a price on yourself - the more you "cost", the more value she attributes to you.
Show a willingness to walk away - don't let her take you for granted.
Use her friends - by realising, that "friendship" also means "rivalry".
Judge her by her actions, not by her words - or rather, let her actions speak the words.
Have and reveal secrets - provide a constant thrill for the woman.
Use poetry - women are about feelings; poems are about feelings - and mixing the two gets you dynamite:) 12 poems.
If she compliments you - make her feel good for having done that:)
Act like its special - and what you have can not be found anywhere else.
Paying her a compliment - an AFC trap, unless you do it right.
Cook for her and "date" at home - the main dish will be less expensive and the "dessert" more convenient:)
When should you call a woman after having sex with her? - don't blow it, she'll be very sensitive and tender about this one.
Romantic gifts and things to do - but use these to reward, not to bribe.
Managing many relationships at once - best policy is (tailored:) honesty.

If she asks for YOUR number instead - don't fall for this (relates to Closing).
If she still refuses to give you her number - a strategy of covert persistence.
If she says "Why do you ask?" - read how to recover (relates to Patterning and Eliciting values).
If she asks "Are you trying to seduce me?" - this isn't trouble actually (she likes it:), but you still need to know how to answer.
"Have you ever...?" gets busted - what do you do, if she says "No" in response (relates to Patterning).
Ejecting - you don't always have to close. Know when to cut your losses.
If she cancels a date - she screwed you (and not the way you hoped she would:). Now what?
If she doesn't return your phone-calls/e-mails - a zero-tolerance policy.
If she shows disrespect for you - you dump her, aka The Returning Fox Theory.
The age difference problem - you shouldn't anticipate it, but its good to be prepared.
Nothing works with the girl - and you tried all your techniques. But there's an ace up your sleeve:)
If she says "Let's just be friends" - looks like you're in trouble, read how to recover.
Dealing with rejection - why you should never get rejected and how to cope with it, if you do.
But I really want this girl! - read why this is such a self-defeating attitude.

The boyfriend problem
Fun and games - you'll love these:) "The kissing bet", "Osama", "A-Hole + truth or dare".
Bad jokes - careful:) "Pants in the air", "Telepathic watch", "Spermogram", "Doctor's appointment", "Voodoo dildo" etc.
A game of Crash and Burn - guess it depends on your definition of fun:) But a great experience (and confidence?:) builder.
More things to do for fun - useless, but fun:)
Top colognes - for getting the girls, of course.
Miscellaneous suggestions and observations about seduction - a recap.

The Iranian from hell - do your looks matter? Read this report by Maniac High and decide for yourself:)
Eye contact experiment - David Shade finds out, how girls react to eye-contact with a stranger.
The pivot theory - NYC explains the benefits of making girls your pivots.
Ross comments on - his one-page website / personals ad full of NLP and SS.
Falling in love vs being a player - in case you have any feelings of guilt.
A female seducer turning straight girls into bi and lesbian - if you're a girl reading "How to Lay Girls", this one's for you:)
Article in Rolling Stone - a tour of modern seduction literature, NLP and Speed Seduction.
Article in Playboy - the Harvard-educated journalist experiences a paradigm shift.
Job Interview patterns - a different perspective on NLP and patterning. 2 patterns.

Field reports:
The rich and famous setup - but even more accurately the "tired of female attention" setup:)
The effectiveness of persistence with a smile - true seduction (choose and seduce:), not a numbers game or easy girls.
Svengali's street pick-up - a classic street pick-up using humour, romance, sex-talk and kino with confidence.
Svengali's friend's street pick-up - a "neg" of sorts gets the ball rolling:)
The original Mr Smooth posts - Maniac High describes the technique of a Japanese PUA.
NightShadow's IRC seduction - an example of an image to create good feelings.
David Shade's online seduction - this guy is really good:) A log of him and a married woman.
David Shade's real-life seduction - and he's not just a computer geek cowering behind his keyboard:) Read and gasp:)
Maniac High's report, NYC's comments - important points being discussed.
The Orgasmotron - Alex Akselrod plants a post-hypnotic suggestion.

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