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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
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Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

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To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

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