Buy Flagyl No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com Sat, 29 May 2010 07:55:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 en hourly 1 Buy Flagyl No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com/statement-of-intent-soi/ http://www.pickupguide.com/statement-of-intent-soi/#comments Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000 Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com/statement-of-intent-soi/ From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website: http://www.pickupguide.com Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)! From: "Rio" <riobaan@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck G'day, Jonathan Ashton <jonathan_ashton@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90eati$gpt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking > for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it. > > Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said? First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great success social-proof wise. The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule. By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine (routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY, because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going to do what he says and so does SHE! I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it. Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates on women he just met. So there's some cross references. The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this painful lesson. The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand, tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE. In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE. Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes. You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........ IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the most logical progression from her actions towards you. Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the other PUAs out there. Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World" Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck. The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions. The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like. Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get beyond just coffee! The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO? Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my intentions, the more they respond sexually. Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing congruence all along. You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile, that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not been for the cockblock! Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit! The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick, you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck. Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing. These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull women at incredible speeds while on holiday. The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need to REALLY get pissed). For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to leave The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even though the gates aren't closed. Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real life. And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her pants. So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck. Stun is the hardest. > There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly. > We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction. > As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before > you fuck her is one of those things. Another reason is that women > won't tell you when they're ready to fuck. But DDB does tell all! That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE (definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness. Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions, but guys CANNOT. > You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look > easy and they hate you. But this insight doesn't make it any easier to > recognize when you're "leading them on". The window between when a > woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and > spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory. The answer > seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve > through experience. Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition becomes easier. The one concrete thing I get out of your post is > that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be > more likely to recognize it. Or maybe the situation will be different > enough that you won't. I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to have a foursome. They would have been up for it! That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;) > You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick > wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and > then have the shit fucked out of her!" But you agreed with another > poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck." > So what's your new insight here? It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB. You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless. Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way. The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player" (which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this 9). You could tell he cared enough too. > Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to > be closed? Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck? Or a way to > let her know your intentions without scaring her off? What's the > difference between your approach now and your approach before you went > to Guam? It sounds like you feel you understand things better than > you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is. Well, now you have your answer. Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him. Any questions or comments? Fire away.... Rio ------- From: "Rio" <riobaan@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast References: <tI1W5.154$9t1.51548@nnrp.gol.com> <90eati$gpt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205$9t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT Jonathan Ashton <jonathan_ashton@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90i82p$iao$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <63JW5.205$9t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>, > "Rio" <riobaan@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Well, now you have your answer. > > Yeah, I understand much better now. Thanks for writing it down. > > > Any questions or comments? Fire away.... > > So I get the abstract idea now: Make some sort of Statement Of > Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently > with it. More or less, that's it. The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused and drops out. Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too much. > Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea > until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that > SOI. Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI - Statement of Intention). SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to him"? With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice. That drove her NUTS. Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a conversation and then not being able to back them up. Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it. When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!). An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend. I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get together really easy and have some fun then." If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel far to get together with you and have fun" If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!" So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM? > You gave the example of GM style. Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI. > I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently, > though. I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is risky. That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's impossible of course. NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill of the chase! > You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take > a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in > mind. And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could > really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe > I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context? Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts. By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as well. > The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam > PUA: > > > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators. > > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say > > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but > > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump), > > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going > > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about > > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style > > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was > > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a > > meat-market man). > > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching > > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her > > hair. It was totally evil. > > So my questions... > > Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object? If so, > what did you say? Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had > her object? If so, what did you say? Hell, do you remember the exact > words of any SOI you've ever said? I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot better in the future. And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it as long as you have remained congruent throughout. > What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup? Tell her you're > going to give her a neck massage? (I'm sure that question sounds > clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.) Well pace it:- "Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so I'll give you one" Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to keep pushing them. So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need one!" So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now relax....." The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can carry out - until she can't get away. Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she is enjoying it! ;) Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or you will be lonely!" At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do! Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust and congruency with that one. > And as for one other comment you made: > > > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand, > > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it > > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.) > > You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some > girl's hand? Or what? Methinks I really don't understand here. You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it. At least, your chances will be better. > > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he > > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction > > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in > > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the > > Drag phase if they were DDB. > > I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down. Done as above. But make your own! I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well. > So here's my deal: I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take > them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial. > > For example: > > GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity, > and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated). > This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she > doesn't slap him. I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent. BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks. > Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking > about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick. > This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's > not pressured to make a decision right then. This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target. The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone special?....." > Am I on the right track here? Are there other ways to word SOIs that > get around direct resistance? More examples would be appreciated. You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course. You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path around it. > I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me. Maybe other PUAs > in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the > importance of them? I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing. And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see his verbal shit. > Thanks, > Ash Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself better. Rio ------- From: "Rio" <riobaan@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT Maniac, I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again. SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge - when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY direct. ;) Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit. The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy. But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The Playboy used plenty of variations. Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it out again........ Mindfucking! Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely mindfucked. I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you. It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today" (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this) She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter of metres away. The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:- - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was doing. I had to observe. - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when I wouldn't get to the point. "What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks. This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI. - Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted (and the lines that chicks SAY they want!). By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already attracted to him would then come onto him. Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time they met. Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you". I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid. Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who "hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves (and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history. We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up. Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He said (and I quote):- "Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not yours)." That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances (by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman) This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us in control. GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs rules and not hers. Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example. He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery. BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?" Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..? (Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?" to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!") So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned - and ready for the drag and fuck stage. Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures. Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs. I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks. We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I got back from Guam. What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy. Rio ------- Dictate the flirting <maniac_high@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Re: SOI's > > Rio.. > > You are on to something big here.. > This is a discovery! > I will incorporate this. > > Please give more specific examples though. I get > what you are saying, but not yet really how you would > apply it. . > > > Fucking excellent thread! > > > Maniac > http://www.pickupguide.com > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ --- From: "Rio" <riobaan@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: More on SOIs Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING! Comments in text below. After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit the streets. GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY. HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS. HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS). BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned it for an exchange, new one works.. IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT? First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it will be TOTALLY lethal.. THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS..... HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER. NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS. I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP. IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE. In article <v1J_5.368$9t1.94458@nnrp.gol.com>, "Rio" <riobaan@hotmail.com> wrote: > He did this by offering a challenge - > when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about Examples? ? OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY (OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER. (LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway) SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL. > parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did > another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY > direct. ;) Examples ? ? THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW YOU THAT WELL" ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE. > Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the > posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit. Examples ? ? MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS......... (QUOTE NYC) "YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE. YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP." HA HA HA ;) > The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. Such as ? ? WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE. WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY - AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS. IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan) He could > even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into > a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy. Examples ? ? "YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?" > But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight > self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical > light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. Such as ? ? I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER GENTLY. IT'S ANCHORING. AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN PERSON. The > Playboy used plenty of variations. Like what ? ? GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO. THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY, HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF) > Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of > the target. For example ? ? I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME. THE MAGIC WORD IS but Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with > our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out Like ? ? HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX. > again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it > out again........ Mindfucking! Example please . . OK, ANOTHER ONE:- I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE KISSING. (btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation) NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE. THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING" EVIL ISN'T IT? > Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely > mindfucked. how? describe this. . what exactly did he do? WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT HE WAS SAYING. THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE. UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED > I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and > then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you. > It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today" This is good. . THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED. > (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this) > She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter > of metres away. > > The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:- > > - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things > about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour Examples ? ? READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS! TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS PRETTY OFF THE WALL. HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF. > guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on Like ? ? THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS SEDUCTIONS. > logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he > just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was > doing. I had to observe. Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural.. I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY WELL! > - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick > (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going Example? How? OK, ANOTHER ONE. "WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK." (WAIT FOR RESPONSE) "BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME." (might want to save this one after you have dropped several other SOIs) > and her ideas racing. Like what? which ideas? be specific please. . ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES. HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER. LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO "FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY. A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs. > I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to > stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when > I wouldn't get to the point. [rest deleted] Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy? WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT) THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN. If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very important if this is to work. Rio -------]]> http://www.pickupguide.com/statement-of-intent-soi/feed/ 0 Buy Flagyl No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com/using-rapport-in-a-mall-pu/ http://www.pickupguide.com/using-rapport-in-a-mall-pu/#comments Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000 Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com/using-rapport-in-a-mall-pu/ From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website: http://www.pickupguide.com MrSex4unyc explains how he would use rapport to do a mall PU! From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Dec 1 23:52:18 2000 Subject: Re: WARNING on relationship expectations - Saved by Our world Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:40:50 GMT << Just as a hypothetical situation ... I meet a hot babe. I say Hi. She's carrying a box of newly purchased shoes. We're at the mall. This amount of information is enough for me to concoct something suitably positive, state-building, and seductive, if I have a chance to sit down with a slide-rule and calculator, full logarithmic tables, and have forty-five minutes of uninterrupted time to use the third differential extrapolation, or at least to make an integral approximation according to the parabolic formula. How do you do it RIGHT THEN AND THERE, fast enough? Just sit and stare and not say much? Or use non-committals like "how did you feel about that? pretty good, hunh?" Or are you so good, that you can always come up with a sentence that moves her in the right direction? I thank you for your brilliant insights ... >> given: A) the chick has new shoes B) you are standing in the mall C) she is attractive D) she stopped to allow you to talk to her when you greeted her how was her day? where did she buy the shoes? what brand are they? does she like that brand? does she always buy shoes by them? what does she like about their shoes? what does she like about the shoes that she just bought? what FIRST ATTRACTED her to the shoes? (VAK) is she happy with her purchase? what is she going to wear them with? where is she going to wear them? does she own something that she plans to match them to? does she like shoes more than boots? what brand sneakers does she like? (if she owns sneakers) did you buy them for a sport? do you work out? what gym? where is that located? I really like this restaurant in that area, it's called... they have the best... have you ever tried... (food at the restaurant) oh it's great -> describe using either V, A or K elicited above (get her drooling) {talk about how it feels sliding into her mouth} {talk about how the flavor runs all over her tongue and down her throat (BJ)} {talk up the experience until SHE says she would like to have that experience} so... you feel you would like to go there with me sometime? (embedded command) how can we get in contact with each other? now... you will notice how far I got ONLY focusing on the shoes she bought. also, you can SEE how many tangents I COULD have taken off of virtually ANY of the statements I made in that series. the plan is NOT to make a plan.. the plan is to PLAY IT WHERE IT LAYS. if you say something that takes her out of the state you want her in or makes it weaker, talk about the opposite OR go back a level to the thing you were talking about BEFORE that was getting her where you needed her to go. also, formhandle was absolutely correct. you have to DISAPPEAR in order to do this. you have to be inside her and thinking as she is thinking. all that shit about she is so good looking and you want to fuck her doggie-style and all that other shit has to GO if you are going to be effective at judging her state and how deep she is getting and when you are doing better and when you are fucking up. the idea is NOT to FORCE your way to inviting her to your house to suck your dick. the idea is to GAIN RAPPORT so that she believes that YOUR ideas are the same as HER ideas. pace her until you can lead her because she BELIEVES in what you are saying. THAT'S the goal. once she BELIEVES in you, you can tell her ANYTHING :)]]> http://www.pickupguide.com/using-rapport-in-a-mall-pu/feed/ 0 Buy Flagyl No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com/doing-a-dance-floor-kino-pickup/ http://www.pickupguide.com/doing-a-dance-floor-kino-pickup/#comments Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000 Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com/doing-a-dance-floor-kino-pickup/ From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website http://www.pickupguide.com Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a dance floor pickup without talking to the chick! From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646 well, I have only one thing to say : great post ! is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well, dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see the changes ? One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ? Tom maniac_high <maniac_high@pickupguide.com> wrote in message news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com... > Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU! > 991010 > > Hi All! > > How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about > here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent > example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of > my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and > learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this > guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze... > Comments/opinions welcome as usual.. > > Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at > all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this > was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in > Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on > the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following > happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in > high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a > reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted, > and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more > below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on.. > Analysis is at the end.. > > -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other. > -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact > -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes > -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is > dancing, still following her pace > -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he > does not pull her in. > > -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits, > and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air) > -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are > stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her > body. > -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He > doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her > buttcheeks. > -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass, > is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole > distance). > -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really > following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too, > (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing > down as his hands were running up/down). > [3 minutes] > > -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and > breathes softly on her neck. He does not > try to kiss her. > -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head > moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly, > closely. > -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance. > [3 minutes] > > -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing > her), he like crouches down, slowly, as > his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up > again, to her ass, and he is standing again, > and is breathing on her neck/back again. > [3minutes] > > -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top > of this list, and the breathing a couple times. > -Each time he pulls her in closer. > -She is going way into trance now. > [4 minutes] > > -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his > hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his > hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him, > and she does. > -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did > to her before a few times. > -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face.. > > -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he > does the same things again with the hands, > this time from behind.. > -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells > her to turn around), loses trance state.. > -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly > sexual.. > -She is back in trance again. > -[3 minutes] > > -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and > he is breathing on her neck/face. > -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing, > breathing on his face/neck. > -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss, > and she is goes more into trance, she > is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all. > [3 minutes] > > -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not > kiss there.. > -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes].. > -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on > each others face, > -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before > the kiss starts [4 minutes] > > -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each > others lips > -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing.. > -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes).. > > > Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it > (I suspect he just took her home ;-) ) > > Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD > kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU > (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he > touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other > things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I > realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much, > and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her > away, before her states are setup right. > > Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was > doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not > advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from > looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her > following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he > slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to > the next step. She was also helping him by following his > `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience. > > Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss > her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad > yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss > first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a > groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very > smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual > groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't > scare her. > > He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30 > minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even > his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION > movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to > his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open, > looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance. > Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see > his face. It was clear he had done this before and was > following the "cookbook". > > He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I > expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching > her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made > her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss > rejection. I liked this.. > > All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model > my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically, > slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the > music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce > the chick. > > Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments > welcome, as usual! > > Maniac > > [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while > I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2 > girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF > hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I > ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email, > and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel > her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see > you around" and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I > think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if > you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how > to structure that from here?] > > > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). >]]> http://www.pickupguide.com/doing-a-dance-floor-kino-pickup/feed/ 0 Buy Flagyl No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com/seeing-if-she-has-bf-and-how-tight/ http://www.pickupguide.com/seeing-if-she-has-bf-and-how-tight/#comments Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000 Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com/seeing-if-she-has-bf-and-how-tight/ From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website: http://www.pickupguide.com Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him! From: "Old Dog" <olddog@pontimax.com> Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ? Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ? > <See Maniac's original post >. > > > Opinions? > Maniac, In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model, I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this. But, IME, you can do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are. I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the relationship, if any, is. It's based on the fact that all women know, on a day to day basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in. And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never, in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer. 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had in my pocket for such purposes), so that I could get some more good kino and

simultaneously signal my availability since I was staying in the same hotel.


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values with some self points. At some point during this I am kinoing her softly and she

just spontaneously goes in and gives me a slight kiss on the cheek. I just accept it but

don't reciprocate immediately. Later I go in for the full kiss and we are tongueing down

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and that I wouldn't care. I just took it as a speed bump, I knew I still had time to turn

it around, and that she might just be saying that out of social convention.  Where can i order Flagyl without prescription, I said,

"Well, mostly I just want to go somewhere else, so lets go dancing or out onto the

terrace". This puts her into a double bind that means she has to still be lead by me, and

helps dull her "rejection" of my invitation, buy cheapest Flagyl. I want her to be used to following my

suggestions regardless, this is part of my concession structure, much like what I used

with HBSubway (see that LR for more details).


So we go out on the terrace, Buy Flagyl No Prescription. Its nice out and I comment on the romantic view.  Online buy Flagyl without a prescription, Jay comes by

with his woman in a little bit but in perfect wingman form keeps her from trying to sit

with us so that I can work HBLucyLiu alone (and so he can work his chick alone too of

course).


She mentions at some point about having had a sort of bad day so here I do some of Ross's

SS stuff (we had just attended the Montreal Seminar the week before, see our separate

reviews on the site), just patterning on the fly, with some submodality and visualization.

"So where in your body do you feel that bad feeling?" She felt it in her upper chest, order Flagyl.  Buy Flagyl No Prescription, "And as you notice what color it is, can you tell me what color that is. "Grey" I asked

what shape. "Like needles". (I had just learned from Ross that its important to get the

HB giving input and "ratifying" the process, in order to make it more real for them, Flagyl for sale, so

that is why I keep asking her for these descriptions.)So I said "OK, here is what we are going to do. I am going to take my hand, and put it

right here up against your chest" (this was a nice intimate kino op as well), "and I am

going to just pull those needles out of you, OK?" She smiled and said yes, buy generic Flagyl, appearing very

enthusiastic about the idea. "Ok, now I am going to pull my hand away, Buy Flagyl No Prescription. Wait, I think

there are more in there, so let me get them all." Then I take my hand away and say " And

now you can notice that as I pull my hand farther away, Where can i buy cheapest Flagyl online, that the feeling goes away. But if

I move it closer it comes back just a little." (This stuff was a direct adaptation of

something Ross was doing in the Montreal seminar.) She nodded her head and I continued,

"So now I am going to ensure that the feeling never comes back, so I am going to take

these needles and put them far away in the dirt here. And now I think I can see a glowing

feeling here in your chest where those needles were." She was definitely intrigued by all

this, and said she felt much better, buy Flagyl no prescription. She had that relaxed look on her face that Ross likes

to call DDB (the Doggy Dinner Bowl look).  Buy Flagyl No Prescription, Jay and his chick appeared at some point soon after this, and we all talked together for

awhile, Jay's chick drew some stuff, I figured out the meaning of character's in their

names, etc. I was again getting good kino on HBLucyLiu, running my hand up the inside of

her thigh where there was a slit in her dress, etc.  Buy no prescription Flagyl online, At around this point the club closes, we all start walking out. Its not clear to them

where we are going, it just seems like we are heading to the taxi area. But of course Jay

and I have different plans. Jay mentioned he forgot his room key (the obvious implication

being that he and his chick will go back to his room, Buy Flagyl No Prescription. I just walk HBLucyLiu past the front

desk where Jay is trying to get his room key, Flagyl samples, and I take her straight to the elevator. I

do this while touching her on the back of her arm just above the elbow. This is where I

had been anchoring her positive responses all night. This technique is what I call KAMI

(Kino Anchored Motion Induction) and is absolutely lethal.  Buy Flagyl No Prescription, For a full explanation see the

HB Subway LR. She looks back to where her friend was with Jay, but no objections of course

since she is feeling good (both about being led and from the KAMI). I kept the kino on in

the elevator but just acted 100% congruent with the situation, like it was the most

natural thing in the world that we should be going to my room. She was mine at this point,

so I was just being thorough. We went to my room and then she took control for awhile.  I

wouldn't have yielded it, but who can say no to a super hot aerobics instructor who wants

to do a striptease for you in the Seoul moonlight, Buy Flagyl No Prescription. J I have to add here that she gets an

extra rating point for being able to stand on one leg while holding the other leg over her

head while I banged her (a new experience even for me), so to me she is like a 10.5. Also,

I elicited on later nights that she may have bi-tendencies, so basically this chick is

just off my scale!!.


Miscellaneous things: (I don't remember when exactly these happened in the flow of the

details above, but they were also good parts of the seduction, so I include them here):


-I displayed value by getting all the meanings of the Chinese characters in her name

right. After I did the same for her friend name she said, "Don't make me like you too

much!"-Ideal vacation routine-At one point she says something about "Women are evil" and I reply with something I

learned from the Moroccan PUA, "yes, sweet evil", she laughed and said she liked that

answer. As Rick H. Says, always have a better answer.


As a recent addendum, I hope to see her again in late October, and will try to set up a 3

some with her and another friend she introduced me to the next night. Details to follow?c

;-)


-TokyoPUA
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