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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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We found a private party to go to through another couple we
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outside the windows.

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white guy, and a very librarian conservative looking sweet J
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These parties happen in Tokyo, now and again, often in the
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bars, and see...what lies behind the closed doors, of the
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close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

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HB Afro gets tongued down and her bottom felt up!

Maniac High — Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Maniac practices Transitions, and GROUNDWORK!
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Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
watch a film (cost Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » return). We kiss again, hug, kino, kino..she goes 
home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

Constructive Comments and opinions welcome everyone, as 
usual!

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An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
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Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

HB Afro gets tongued down and her bottom felt up!

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Maniac practices Transitions, and GROUNDWORK!
990923


Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
watch a film (cost Handling Alpha Male OG Intrusions!). We kiss again, hug, kino, kino..she goes 
home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

Constructive Comments and opinions welcome everyone, as 
usual!

Maniac
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An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
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I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
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I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
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Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
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home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

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usual!

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An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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Later.
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
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I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
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Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
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home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

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usual!

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An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
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> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
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feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

HB Afro gets tongued down and her bottom felt up!

Maniac High — Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Using David Shade's talking techniques to tongue down a chick!


From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Fri Sep 24 22:19:23 1999
From: "maniac_high" 
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Outing Report! HB Afro gets her bottom felt up and plays tonsil hockey!

Maniac practices Transitions, and GROUNDWORK!
990923


Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
watch a film (cost A fantastic cyber seduction example). We kiss again, hug, kino, kino..she goes 
home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

Constructive Comments and opinions welcome everyone, as 
usual!

Maniac
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Good Seduction/NLP movie!

Maniac High — Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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Example of an excellent online seduction

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

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In article <82a7du$7d5$1@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » return

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Handling "Alpha Male Other Guy" intrustions!

From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
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I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
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kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
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reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
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We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

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From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Fri Sep 24 22:19:23 1999
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Outing Report! HB Afro gets her bottom felt up and plays tonsil hockey!
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990923


Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
watch a film (cost HB Afro gets tongued down and her bottom felt up!). We kiss again, hug, kino, kino..she goes 
home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

Constructive Comments and opinions welcome everyone, as 
usual!

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Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Fri Sep 24 22:19:23 1999
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Outing Report! HB Afro gets her bottom felt up and plays tonsil hockey!
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Outing Report! HB Afro gets her bottom felt up and plays tonsil hockey!

Maniac practices Transitions, and GROUNDWORK!
990923


Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
watch a film (cost $0). We kiss again, hug, kino, kino..she goes 
home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Kate, what do you think of your boobs?
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:39:04 GMT
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
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your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
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reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

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From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Fri Sep 24 22:19:23 1999
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Outing Report! HB Afro gets her bottom felt up and plays tonsil hockey!
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Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
watch a film (cost Good Seduction/NLP movie!). We kiss again, hug, kino, kino..she goes 
home, I go home.

Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

Constructive Comments and opinions welcome everyone, as 
usual!

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An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
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Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
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Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:09:02 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:16:18 GMT

In article ,
  "thx"  wrote:
>....
> > Then she smiles, introduces herself to me, offers her hand and that
very
> moment this guy sits next to her. Asks her if the seat is available,
says
> something funny (I didn't hear what but she laughed), pays zero
attention to
> me and now she sort of turns to him. I couldn't hear what they were
talking
> but after the class she says to me "See ya!" and goes with this guy
to a
> cafe accross the street.
>
> Now what was that all about? I saw them walking together today holding
> hands. I was with that 9.5 social-proof chick and managed a "Hi" and a
> halfhearted smile.
>
> Now how to handle this kind of thing? >

I can offer three proven tactics to counter Alpha Male Other Guy (AMOG)
intrusions:

Typical Situation One: your above "I was working her and this AMOG
moves in"

Solution:  As soon as the AMOG inserts himself, and, she pays attention
to him, do the following:

Smile at the AMOG and say "hold on a sec OK". Touch her shoulder and
turn your body so that you?re between her and the AMOG. Then, lean
forward and whisper in her ear:  "I don?t want to share your attention
with anyone else.   Let?s continue this some other time"  She?ll either
respond positively or not.  If negative, smile at her and say, "he?s
all yours".  If positive get the #, smile, and say "I?ve got to run but
I will see you again" Use a strong hand pointing gesture when you say
the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor and also asserts your
dominance over her vis a vi the AMOG.

TIP:  it?s fucking vital in these situations to always whisper in the
chycks ear.   Why?   Do you remember from elementary and middle school
how the chycks were always whispering in each other?s ears?   They love
it!   It creates an instant atmosphere of intimacy and "specialness".
Plus, tactically, you want to keep the AMOG shut out and guessing.  I
call this the "whisper close".

Two other typical AMOG competitive situations and how to deal with them:

Typical Situation Two:  You?re sitting at the bar with two chycks at
adjoining bar stools and you?re working them.

Solution:  If it?s two chycks that you started chatting up at the bar
with you and them sitting on the adjoining bar chairs, always move so
that you?re  positioned between the two chycks.  This means that any
AMOG has to choose one or the other to approach.

IF the situation is that you?ve been chatting up two chycks and some
AMOG comes along and exploits your mistake and inserts himself between
the two chycks before you can position yourself between them (as
happened to me very recently), here?s what I did:

I touched the chyck (whose back by then was to me " don?t you just hate
that) nearest to me on her shoulder and whispered in her ear:  "I?ll
bet you that he propositions you and your friend to a threesome".

If she?s like this chyck, she?ll immediately turn to face you with a
laugh and and a "How much do you want to bet kind of reaction".   I
said, "Since I won?t be here to verify the bet, let?s just make it
buck.  That way, it won?t be the amount, it?ll be whether I was
right or you were right. I'll trust your honesty!"  (I had already
closed and was going to meet her the next night at this bar where the
other woman was bartending).  I left by saying "I gotta run but I?ll
see you both in Ridgefield (a nearby town where the other woman
bartended)".

Typical Situation Three:   You?ve been chatting up some chyck and you
have leave for moment (maybe to hit the men?s room) and when you
return, there?s this AMOG that?s moved in

Solution:    Approach from the AMOG?s blind side and visually get her
attention from a slight distance away, from  behind him.   A sharp
"Yeo!" and a finger point at her should do very nicely to get her
attention.  From there, your alternatives are:

If you didn?t already do the close (shmuck! it?s almost never too early
to do a trial close), then move in per Situation One above and do a
whisper close.

If you already had gotten the close (attaboy for that), then say "Gotta
run. See you like we planned".  Use a strong hand pointing gesture when
you say the "See you" so that it places a verbal anchor.

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From old__dog@my-deja.com Fri Jan 28 20:13:09 2000
From: old__dog@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Tough competition
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:24:20 GMT

In article <_ldk4.2022$Sa2.82547@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
  "bigbry"  wrote:
> >
> Now as far as strategy goes: I like old dog's whisper technique but I
would
> have immediately started to illiminate the compitition very
ambiguously. The
> guy sits down and laphs at my jokes I would look at him like where
the hell
> did you just come from and then look at her like he doesn't even
really
> belong with us. Then I'd say, "You ever meet someone who really
annoys you?"
> to her. Then I'd go into the wisper technique.
>
> My guess is that women love, absolutely love men fighting over them.
This
> girl was getting all this attention from the both of you but he was
the one
> who closed on her first.
>
> Remember this rule and you won't run into a problem like this again:
Close
> early and close often. The sooner you create that emotional closeness
with
> her close. Shit you might as well just close as soon as the guy sits
down
> with you guys.
>
>
>
> It seems like BigBry and certainly Mud have missed the whole
strategy focus.  Let me help you connect the dots.

The strategy is based on two key elements:

1) use body action, kino and the whisper move
to physically and mentally isolate the chyck from the AMOG.

2) Put the onus on the CHYCK to make her choice:  you can have my
attention or his but not both.  Remember from my previous post that
the conditions are the AMOG's intruded and she's paying attention to
him.  That's why I tell you to use the "I don't want to share your
attention with anyone" as your LEAD whisper assertion.  Then, the image
that you're establishing is that you're wise to her and you're not
going allow her to put you in the position of competiting with the AMOG
for her attention.

That's the IDEAL strategic position for HER and the WORST strategic
position for YOU.

I know there's a natural male impulse to confront the AMOG.  Resist it.
It's a loser since it sets you up to be manipulated by the chyck and is
a major waste of your valuable time.  Besides which, what are the
possible outcomes?  The guy may be good; you don't know.  Then you're
the one who looks lame.  The most likely outcome is that
you make each other look lame and she blows you both off but not until
she's throughly amused herself and gotten all of the ego gratification
that she can extract from you both.  But hey try both ways - see which
works better for u.

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From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
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your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
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I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
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I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
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We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

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From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Fri Sep 24 22:19:23 1999
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Outing Report! HB Afro gets her bottom felt up and plays tonsil hockey!
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Here is the story about 
tonight's new chick! (thats what you always gotta do..go out 
there, and practice, no matter what shit may be happening!), 
always PU, always Pu! that is the only way to get better! Tonight, 
I learned lots of new shit by trying new stuff. Again, constructive
opinions welcome!

Lets look at it now!

Allright, tonight was an evening with HB Afro, a lovely young 
Japanese Asian lady with a cool afro hairstyle who likes African Music. 
She is petite and a babe!  

Tonights goal, was to apply some of the transition phrases to 
get a conversation from boring fluff to passionate/sexy stuff
and do a passionate kiss close. That is the objective. 
To do that, I studied David Shades AOL Chat scripts he posted 
here some time back, extensively.

I met her at a parade I was at. I got her number, and then she 
went "blurry" (couldnt reach her). Then I left her a message 
like I wrote to "Mike" today on the NG, basically saying that I 
won't wait around for ever, and how she can imagine that nice 
time we would have together, and how this could be the start of 
it. That got a reply within 1 hr! (yep, it works!).

I tried some new stuff when I met her. First I came 5 minutes 
late. Just I wanted to see what would happen, as I often come 
early, which some say might / might not be supplication. When 
I saw her, she was looking the other way, all over for me, and 
then her face lit up totally when she saw me. That was cool. 
Better to show up after, and have her waiting for you, rather 
than the other way around. I will try this with the next chick 
too. 

Also, Mystery said this week that when he meets a new chick, 
he doesn't go out on a regular date, but rather takes her to 
something he was going to do anyways. So I decided to skip 
the regular supper routine, and meet her at 8:30, at a bar I often 
go to (it is the same place I took Ms. Kinky to actually, and has 
nice small streets around for a walk after.cool, I plan to use 
it..). So it was more a "you get my interest and attention from 
my regular life" attitude rather than a "try to impress her with 
supper" and all that other shit. That also worked really well.

Also to in a bar, you can sit next to each other, and get kino 
easily (which I did..below), where at a restaurant when you are 
facing each other its impossible. Lesson from this, no more 
restaurants for chicks until after you fuck them..

Also, I made her pay her own drinks too (why should I pay, she 
didn't do anything for me yet?!).  That went fine, and she 
didn't seem bothered at all. That was cool too.

The goal tonight was to apply some basic phrases from David 
Shades `aolchat1' from his post, which is on my website. In 
particular, there is a part at the beginning, where he is talking 
fluff talk to the chick, and she does an AWESOME transition 
to a deeper level (ie. Passion/sex talk rather than boring regular 
shit), using something like the following phrases. "I like 
married (which I replaced with Japanese)  women, because 
they want to celebrate being a woman".. "and I think they are 
very sensual" . "I think they are excellent lovers because they 
know how to savour that special intimacy.

Now, this seems easy, but if you are like me, you are not used 
to talking like this naturally. Seriously, I studied David's stuff 
for like 5 or 6 hours earlier this week, seeing exactly how he 
did this, before trying it tonight.

Well, needless to say, it worked, I just threw in those phrases, 
and could make the switch over to the deeper level with the 
chick (I should have done this with Ms. Tubby and Sparkles 
too, now I realize WHERE I fumbled), and got the sex/passion 
talk going. Anyways, I don't dwell on, but rather I LEARN 
from my fuckups, so I did it right tonight with this chick.

After the transition, I talked about African music, and how it 
could bring out the passion in her, and make her feel more 
sensous, and passionate the way a woman could feel. I thought 
the lines were weird and I would get caught out, but I was 
shocked that she took it in totally, and started going into trance. 
It was really cool. (that is why I believe David when he says 
what happens in his reports.it was happening to me too 
tonight with this chick). Then I held her hand (just I took it, 
gently), and asked her to think, how her body felt, when that 
music was going through her, and I described how it made her 
juices and passions flow. That was cool, I could see her space 
out with the images. At this point I am getting more kino, as I 
talk, got both hands, and getting reactions, very good, and she 
is leaning more inwards.  I ask her about how it makes her 
body feel, and how she feels about her body. I do the favorite 
body part routine like with smooth, and have her stand up. She 
tells me she likes her ass. I tell her oh really, it is very round 
isn't it, and I rub it gently as I talk. I tell her it feels good 
doesn't it, and she says yes, it does, she can feel that.

After that we joke a bit, and I go off to the bathroom and 
return, and joke about how a nice handsome man has sat next 
to her, (I take her hand), and what she will do. She says she 
doesn't know.. so I kiss her hand, and introduce myself 
(jokingly), and then tell her in Europe, they do `bec', kiss on 
the cheek, and a hug. I demonstrate, she likes it, and we do it a 
few more times. I talk about how that also gets her passions 
flowing inside as well. We are in the bar, so we can't really 
French, its not a disco like where I got cheat chick last week. 

So I take her outside for a short walk, and take her hand. We 
walk a very short bit, stop in front of a display store window, 
and start the tonsil hockey. No problem. It is last train time, and 
we both got to work the next day, so we decide that she will 
come over on Sunday afternoon to make supper with me, and 
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Okay, now the debriefing.

First,  this evening was good, because in the past, I wouldn't 
get this far with a chick first before inviting her home. As NYC 
would say (fuck, where is NYC anyways these days?), I didn't 
do my groundwork, and that is why the chick freaked out when 
she got to my place. So this fixes that in those cases with those 
types of chicks (which this one was). She knows exactly 
what to expect on Sunday, because we were all over each other 
tonight and I made sure she knows what I WANT. So now, she 
knows to expect a FUCK as well as supper when she comes 
over, or she can cancel and not waste my time if she doesn't 
want that fuck.

So there you go. Evenings goals: try Shade's material, Kino 
and tongue down the new chick.accomplished!

Constructive Comments and opinions welcome everyone, as 
usual!

Maniac
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Good Seduction/NLP movie!

Maniac High — Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

An excellent film to learn seduction / NLP : Witches of Eastwick

Subject: awesome movies for SS'ers 
Date: 1999/09/06 
Author: maniac_high  
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Hi,

It was me that put up the original post about the Witches of Eastwick 
as an NLP/seduction resource. Its a good film, seriously, you will learn how
to apply NLP in real life from it, Jack Nicholson does a good job,
and his NLP routines are very believable and applicable in real
life situations. He's also got the attitude and tonality down 
perfect too..go watch it, personally, I keep a copy at home. ;-)

Re: list of good movies, I can put this on my site once I get a
list. I am looking for films 9 or above on the NLP scale (I agree,
Witches of Eastwich is a 10 about). I also heard Matrix is good,
but havent seen it yet (just came out in Tokyo this week... ;-(  )

Maniac

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:10:35 GMT liberty3d@XXnospamXXexcite.com
(Liberty) wrote:
> I also rented "Witches of Eastwick" after seeing it here.  I saw the movie
> years ago, but this time, approaching it from a little knowledge, I was
> very impressed!
> 
> Don Juan DeMarco was also recently mentioned.  I rented it because of the
> recommendation, and was blown away.  There were quite a few lines from that
> one worth knowing.
> 
> "Strapless" had some interesting stuff in it, maybe a 6-7 on the scale.
> 
> One of the people with a web page should keep a list, or it should be added
> to the FAQ.  It has a good return for newbies, in that reading the one line
> of a title can lead to watching a whole movie with good shit.
> 
> Liberty
> 
> 
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Example of an excellent online seduction

Maniac High — Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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An excellent online seduction by David Shade!


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I much prefer to sarge in person, but when I am stuck at home, like when
my sons are with me and they have gone to bed, I get online.  Since I
have finished Ross' BHSC, my online sarging skills have sky rocketed.  I
decide to try my new skills on a real challenge - married women.  So, I
get onto AOL and go into the married room.

I meet this chick from another state.  She was originaly from here and
has relatives here.  We start with small talk and exchange pics (very
attractive).  She said that her marriage was very good and alluded to
the fact that she would never consider having an affair.  Her idea of
commiting adultery is simply sharing deep secrets with another man.  She
only gets online to keep in touch with people.  We build rapport and she
begins to open up...

 Mary:  I called my husband (he has been away for a week on business)
and he was so p.o.'d.  That didn't help much
 David:  oh that was not nice of him.  that is not at all a suppoortive
thing to say.  Now is the time when you need someone to support your
emotions.
 Mary:  i know.  we had some words and he saw it from my point
 David:  Well good that you made him see it from your point of view.
 Mary:  it's not like i did a thing to have this happen.
 Mary:  I was quite upset when I got his reaction when I was looking for
some consoling and really tore into him
 David:  How do you feel to be talking with me to allow yourself to vent
as I see it from your point of view
 Mary:  good. thanks.
 David:  good.  I like to see you feel good.  And it makes me feel good
 Mary:  So, you are divorced? How long if I may pry a little?
 David:  yes, I am for 7 years now.
 Mary:  How long were you married?
 David:  8 years. but after 6 years of marriage, I realized I wanted
something more.
 Mary:  12 here.  Married pretty young
 David:  I did not know at first what it was, but I knew that I was not
fullfiled.
 Mary:  We have had our share or rocky roads but they always seem to
smooth out.
 David:  you might ask why I am in the married room
 Mary:  do i dare ask?  you have a fettish for married women? lol
 David:  you might say :-) lol  just kidding
 Mary:  lol   or are you learning what we all want??!!!
 David:  Do people really know what they want?
 Mary:  Very few! very very few!
 David:  I have been avoiding single women.  Eventually they want to
become very serious and talk about marriage.  I just am not ready for
marriage yet.
 Mary:  I only get on here to get an occasional laugh and see what
everyone is talking about
 Mary:  If I were to do it all over again, i don't know if I would get
married.  Don't get me wrong I am happy, but I think everyone wonders
from time to time
 David:  The thing I like about married women is they want to celebrate
being a woman
 Mary:  of course we do!!
 David:  and they are very sensual
 Mary:  yea, sensual because of something they are lacking
 David:  and they are tremendous lovers because they know how wonderful
intimacy should be
 Mary:  i wouldn't know about that one! lol
 David:  and they want to savor all of it
 Mary:  true, its in their minds
 David:  yes, it is really all in the mind
 Mary:  i think most woman fantisize about the moment rather than the
actual event unlike most men.
(hmmm...  I think I heard a good idea for a pattern there!)
 Mary:  most men want it with two women or this way or that way etc.
etc. etc. most men are not capable of understanding a woman's needs
 David:  yes, that is very true.  But for more mature men who understand
that true meaning of intimacy they know that it is the journey, not the
destination, that is to be savored.
 Mary:  so, you are teaching a class to all these non-intimate men in
the world right?  lol
 David:  lol  Do you prefer a mature man who knows how to treat a woman
like a lady and can truly appreciate a woman?
 Mary:  My husband and I talk all the time and he doesn't understand
that i don't have an actual sexual fantasy
 Mary:  i can't seem to get it through to him that it is a feeling not a
position that a woman yearns for
 Mary:  I tried to explain at one time, that he couldn't satisfy me
anymore physically as a lover than he already does but if he could learn
how to unleash the fire in me than he would have an incredibly different
view of things
 Mary:  that there is a big difference between incredible sex and what I
was trying to explain to him
 David:  yes, that feeling of incredible connection
 Mary:  he asked me to explain that to him, and of course i couldn't.  I
don't think it is something that you can really truly explain
 David:  that is correct.  It is something that you feel, something that
you know
 Mary:  unless you desire it as well, and he is content with what he
gets! lol
 David:  some men are just happy with just that.  sex.  and for them
that is enough.  But for others, there is a higher plane of sharing
 Mary:  yep  it is at the emotional level as you explained
 David:  an incredible connection at all levels of intimacy - emotional,
intellectual, physical, and spiritual
 Mary:  exactly, so well put, but so misunderstood by many

(Here I do the IC pattern.  Based on her response I say...)

 David:  You are a person who is very concerned about the good feelings
of other people
 Mary:  yes, I have always been that sort of person.  Put others before
myself
 David:  That tells me that you are a person who is capable of a deep
incredible connection and communication
 Mary:  so you do fortune telling on the side too? lol ;-)
 David:  lol    I would like to think that I am a good judge of
character
 Mary:  so far you are doing pretty good
 David:  To me it is just sharing.  It feels good to share like this.
 Mary:  yes, it does.
 David:  yes, it does.  I love the way it feels to share like this
 Mary:  So, you share a lot on here?
 David:  When I meet someone I feel comfortable with, I will enjoy the
sharing if it takes place
 Mary:  it is nice having someone to share your feelings with
 David:  yes, it is nice to have someone to share your feelings with.
To see it from your point of view.  To take the time to understand.  It
feels very good
 David:  There is nothing finer than feeling as close to someone as can
absolutely be
 David:  there is nothing more rewarding than when a woman can share
with a man and teach him how to really feel, and there is nothing more
moving for a man to have been made to feel so very vulnerable
 Mary:  So, what made you come up with that screen name?
 David:  I think that is what it is all about.  To be so close as to
touch each other's soul
 Mary:  ok, so i really messed that translation up
 David:  wanna hear a poem I wrote?
 Mary:  sure, i would
 David:  I like to write poetry.  Will you give me your honest opinion?
 Mary:  you know i can really be a ruthless bitch, you may not want an
honest opinion! lol
 Mary:  just kidding, of course i will be honest
 David:  I know you will be :-)
 Mary:  just give me a minute to absorb the poem for my opinion
 David:  ok, I will
 David:  "The Tear"

(I recite The Tear)

 Mary:  Thats really good, seriously. Simple, but to the point!
 David:  I am glad you thought it was good.
 Mary:  better than good.
 David:  That is a very nice thing to say :-)
 Mary:  {{{{David}}}}
 David:  That hug feels so good Mary :-)
 Mary:  that is one of those hugging sort of pick me up off the pavement
sort of poems!  a great one for my day, thanks for sharing it with me
 David:  I love to hug.  It is such a wonderful way to share.  To feel
each others embrace.
 Mary:  you would have died on my lips all day long! lol
 David:  It makes me feel so good to make you feel so good.
 Mary:  my eyes are still all swollen!  I need a glass of wine, and a
jacuzzi!
 David:  yes, that would be nice. with candles and fragrances
 Mary:  Of course, wouldn't be right without those!
 David:  and slow soft music
 Mary:  Those are the things that i appreciate more.  The effort put
into the moment
 David:  and feeling like we are the only people in the world right now
 Mary:  to really absorb the atmosphere that is being shared
 David:  to really savor the sharing
 Mary:  or being swept away to a beach and listening to the sounds of
the ocean which i find extremely stimulating. smelling the salty air,
feeling the warm breeze
 David:  as the waves break mathodically on the sand, over and over and
over
 Mary:  yep
 David:  and feeling the soft sand under you.
 Mary:  I could stay there forever.
 David:  and let the world stand still
 Mary:  Hey, here's something funny. sorry to break this up
 David:  yes?
 Mary:  first i will say that i DO love my husband but his translation
of what we just described, is, The water is cold, the sand is gritty,
the air smells like dead fish etc.  the waves are crashing on the
beach.  And you bring all that damn sand home with you!! lol  How can
two people view something so differently
 David:  lol
 Mary:  As far as the jacuzzi? You can't do it in a jacuzzi, it just
doesn't feel right, I don't like wine, and unless it's country music i
don't want to hear it, and candle or no candle it doesn't matter and it
smells like clorine!
 David:  lol
 Mary:  I happen to like all music
 Mary:  and one night after he was gone for a long trip i went through
the extreme of setting the night
 Mary:  I bought a CD which I absolutely loved, and bought wine for
myself, lit all the candles, laid out a very soft blanket on the floor,
had on a really nice neglige' and he came in the door and said
"Allright! boy did i miss you!!"
 Mary:  the whole ordeal was over with quicker than i set the whole
thing up!!
 Mary:  can you believe that?
 David:  I am sorry to hear how selfish he was.  After all this kind of
attitude from his part, I would imagine that love making would become
old and stale and be reduced to just sex.  It is sad.
 Mary:  not always, we are trying to work on that. but some things i
think he will never understand and that part does get quite frustrating
 Mary:  I'm one of those emotional gals myself.
 David:  You need to feel that sense of sharing and that sense of
incredible intimate connection
 Mary:  sorry about my little detour ;-)
 David:  Mary, I am so glad you feel free to share with me all those
things that you are feeling
 David:  I adore that.  It is so precious to me that we can share this
way.
 Mary:  I am working on that.  I told him I wanted a get away in the
mountains at a ski resort.  I basically spelled out all the details for
him and told him if he did it, he wouldn't regret it for a moment
 Mary:  thanks, david
 Mary:  and i am sorry for being so scattered.
 David:  no.  I am happy you are so sharing with me
 Mary:  i am happy you have been so gracious to listen
 David:  Now that makes me feel so very good Mary.
 Mary:  Good David.
 David:  You do make me feel so good when we talk Mary.
 Mary:  You are easy to express myself to
 David:  I have heard that you know it is right when you feel you can
truely be yourself
 Mary:  probably true

(At this point she opens a private chat room for us.  She said "I am
tired of using the mouse."  hehe.  Most of the private chat room text
scrooled out.  I did more poetry, including the last 2 poems from my
post "Let her write your poetry."  I did the Discovery Channel Pattern.
I did the Blammo pattern.  Then I went into Major Mark's "compartments"
stuff from Ross' course.  Absolutely LETHAL when used on a married
woman.  Then...)


Mary:  if two people feel the way that you describe and the way that I
fantasize, they would have to feel committed. I think you would be
committed because those feelings truly felt are of true love, something
very few people ever experience
David:  true, and it is sad if anyone goes through life and never
experiences them and never fully feels them
Mary:  so to experience that would be impossible because you would be
committed the day you experienced that. am i wrong?
David:  no, you are not wrong
Mary:  your souls would be committed to each other
David:  yes
Mary:  you can not truly feel what you described without affecting the
soul
David:  that is so true
Mary:  so it would be a committment the first time you actually
experienced it
David:  then what you say is true, but can it be done without affecting
all the other things in a persons life?  I would not want to change
anything in a persons life.
Mary:   i dont honestly think it could be done

(Here is where she finally betrays her husband)

Mary:  unless of course you are describing sharing what two people
desire but not crossing that line in putting those two people together,
does that even make sense?
David:  yes.  I would not want to cross that line
Mary:  i am beginning to confuse the heck out of myself! lol ;-)
David:  I agree that two people could share while agreeing to not cross
that line
Mary:  there is a fine line there though, very fine
David:  yes, and we would take great care not to cross it
David:  will you promise to not cross that line with me?
Mary:  I promise david I won't cross that line
David:  knowing that, we can share that special place for just you and
me. we can expereince all that is there to be experienced.  Just you and
me. just that place
Mary:  ok
David:  ok
David:  it will be our secret, to be kept completely to us, only us
Mary:  ok
David:  ok
David:  Mary
Mary:  David
David:  I want to give you something to think about
Mary:  ok
David:  I want you to first go into that special place that is just for
you and me...
Mary:  ok

(Locket pattern here)

David:  and now I kiss you good night and slowly walk away, to return
when we meet again
 Mary:  my mind is at rest
 Mary:  David as far as what is unfaithful and unfair to my husband, do
you understand that?  Is this wrong of me David?
 David:  I understand Mary.  I will allow you to think about that all
you want. I know you have much to think about
 Mary:  You are truly incredible David.
 David:  That makes me feel so very good Mary.  Good night sweetheart.
 Mary:  Good.  now good nite darlin' and sweat I mean sweet dreams to
you!
 Mary:  or the first, whichever you prefer! lol ;-)
 David:  I'll just leave that up to your imagination :-)
 Mary:  that's pretty dangerous with my little mood swings tonight! lol
 David:  lol
 Mary:  you don't want to have nitemares do you
 Mary:  of endless tortures of passion ! lol
 Mary:  that would just be terrible now wouldn't it
 Mary:  ;-), always a smart ass, I am!
 David:  :-)
 David:  Mary
 Mary:  darlin''?
 David:  When you go to bed tonight, go into that special place in your
mind
 Mary:  ok gotcha
 David:  and..... relax
 Mary:  and...... relax
 Mary:  a very warm sensual place
 David:  (((( Mary ))))  nite
 Mary:  {{{{{David}}}}} nite.

Our second chat is very sweet and romantic.  Lots of playfullness.  She
talks very breifly about her husband's return.  I do not get into that
at all.  She and I are to share only that special place in her mind.

Our third chat is very steamy.  She has us back on the beach.  She
describes in detail what it would be like.  Then she wants me to
describe in detail the back rub that I would give her using warm oils.
Then she wants me to continue...

Mary:   you know what I'm talking about
David:  Wait.  Are you talking about cyber?
Mary:   Are you a cyber virgin?  lol
David:  What are you saying?
Mary:   David, I have never done this before.  I want to do this.
Please do this.
David:  Mary, I will not allow what we have to be reduced to "Cyber"
Mary:   Please just describe that back rub you were giving me.  Such
that the oil allows your hands to glide so smoothly over my skin.  You
cannot enjoy this unless you can hear my passion in it.

I tell her no.  She begs me.  I tell her no.  She gets mad at me.  I
tell her again why not.  She returns to romance and all is well again.
I tell her to go to bed and "think about me."

Our fourth chat is filled with "Oh baby I miss you so much"  and "Oh
darling I need you so badly" etc.  hehe.  I love it.  I did the right
thing in following Ross' advice to not let her have any unless it is in
person.  No more cyber, no more phone.  Gotta be real.  I am going to
try to get this chick to visit her relatives here.  We'll see.

There were three other married women this weekend.  One of them was
local and wants to meet.  I'll post them.

David Shade