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"I seduce my >doctor to get " I can only say I want to sleep with him...this is the ONLY man I've ever known who I can simply think about and come...don't even have to touch myself. So I feel that fucking him would be the ultimate sexual outlet. I have expressed this to him. He seemed uncomfortable when I did and stammered that he was "flattered." (We are both married--I wasn't talking about love or relationships.) In my next encounter with him he was sure of himself--said his oath and ethics preclude him from even considering me that way. >office, which he will refuse. The >doctor/patient relationship is no small obstacle to overcome. For sure. This was his rebuttal upon my initial inquiry. Do you have any advice on how to overcome this, all things being said? > his character will be the obstacle to the very thing you >want. Very well said and probably very true in this situation. It's about him and his mind and my need to have that. Certainly not just a physical attraction on my part. > While suggesting you go out and snag a few other guys instead will >probably not appeal to you, Working on those "consolation prizes" already but Doc remains my one sexual fixation for now. Thanks, Vince Melissa From mgnymph@aol.com Wed Apr 12 09:06:04 2000 From: mgnymph@aol.com (MGnymph) Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: Re: Almost afraid to ask... >Why do you think surgeons and lawyers are usually reserved for >attractive women? I thought everyone knew this. Doctors and lawyers, so-called "professionals" are the types of men who can have whomever they want. On a larger scale, look at Hollywood. How many times do we see an ugly, rich man with a gorgeous young woman? Skanky rock stars with supermodels? It's the same type of thing on a smaller scale. Women, typically, would sacrifice their souls for the love of a doctor. I think I speak on behalf of many, considering my social life thus far. > >If it's that type of male you specifically go after, what is it about a >surgeon or lawyer that attracts you so much? I love a brilliant mind. Even unattractive physically, a man who is ambitious and smart is a total turnon. Personality, too. Knowing I can land a man who no doubt has his "pick of the litter" makes me feel powerful and sexy. Thanks for your tips, but I'm happily married. My husband is the best and allows me to explore my sexuality--my wants and desires--in an open and honest relationship. So finding a man isn't an issue with me--seducing one is. Thanks. 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They're putting >out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the >emotional payoff that's meaningful to them. Let me ask you >Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who >refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency >that had meaning to you? Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground. You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than you may realize. 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I can do this because >I know that she is into me (from what she said at the dinner), >so the idea is to play it that if she doesnt do her job as a >chick.. she will lose EVERYTHING as far as I am concern. >Ok, that is the plan, here we go: plan or no plan, essentially, you are telling her the truth. on a long-enough timeline, the survival rate for EVERYONE is ZERO. sooner or later, everyone you love will either leave you or die. chicks don't seem to believe in this, though it is the absolute truth. they think that they can relate to you FOREVER, REGARDLESS of what they do or how they act. you are telling her HOW she can REMAIN with you and what is going to get her EJECTED. even though it takes a long time, so it doesn't SEEM like this... this is what has happened to EVERY chick's relationship that has gone away. EVENTUALLY, she was not fulfilling her womanly duties and her man left her for a chick (younger, sexier, richer, swallower...) EVEN if she IS fulfilling her duties, if her man like it from another chick MORE, she loses out either in a PERCENTAGE of her benefits or she gets DUMPED and loses ALL of her benefits. you are merely explaining this to her and telling her what she needs to do IF she wants to be with you... which you have already determined. you are SELLING, and now you are screening her to see if she is QUALIFIED and ABLE to buy. >I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is >excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations >in relationship. I am getting to the point where I am going to do this. I never do this with chicks because I morph into whatever THEY are looking for and hook them that way. the thing for me is that being 10 months in with MLTR, she has REALLY learned how to please me and the time I spend TEACHING her has become minimal and the time I spend ENJOYING her is increasing :) it is getting tougher and tougher for other chicks to get my attention, because anything LESS than what I have already is BULLSHIT to me. the time I am spending talking to chicks is mostly eliciting values and breaking their perceptions... just for fun :) I know IMMEDIATELY if I want sex from a chick, and if I don't, she is IMMEDIATELY LJBF and I use her for practice and NEXT her at the end of the conversation. I am seriously going to consider moving to a "demonstration of value -> SOI" model, just because I have lost my patience with LISTENING to these bitches talking about shit that really doesn't mean anything. I know I am going to NEXT them ANYWAY as soon as I realize they can't compete with MLTR, so why listen to their shit FIRST? I may as well let them know how great I am and let them know what kind of woman I am willing to accept, and let them continue from there. there is also the cognitive dissonance issue of them KNOWING that I am going to dump them if they are not sexy and CONTINUING to talk to me and get to know me. the more they talk to me, the more I hook them into interacting with me. the more they get hooked, the greater the PAIN OF SEPERATION (credit: RJ) when they eventually get EJECTED. since they KNOW ahead of time what will get them ejected and they are still talking, they are either planning to get in line OR setting themselves up for pain. either way, after SOI and their acceptance of the terms, there will have to be some sort of TEST of their compliance. even listening to what they have to say after SOI counts as a REWARD for their entering into a "relationship" with me. hmm... I will consider this more. >I go on to tell her that other girls I know also >like me, ask me out alot, (doesn't matter if it is true or not, >but chick 'competition logic' will kick in, and it will scare >your mark to act). the reason I don't use this is that MLTR is an integral part of my life. if I were to play this "chicks dig me" card, it would belittle the actual relationship I have with MLTR. the only problem with THAT is that I am screening for MORE MLTRs :) I don't give a fuck about ONS because I can get laid ANY NIGHT within an hour of talking to the chick I am talking to... in the WAY I want to with a chick that I WANT TO FUCK :) a chick offering me ONS is like a chick offering me a dollar bill. I already HAVE dollar bills... what do I want hers for? of course, there are some chicks that are just so HOT that you want to try them out, but barring that scenario, ONS can bring you much more ANGUISH than the satisfaction that accompanies it... 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I tried to tell her I wanted her for more than that, but she wasn't emotionally healthy enough to understand or believe me. >Ok, now Maniac has reached her head, and I take this deeper.. >I go on to tell her that I dont want just sex, I want rocks and gold >I can get any girl in roppongi on a Saturday night and fuck her >(not exactly true, but she doesnt know this.. goal is just to she KNOWS that it happened to her VERY QUICKLY. she ASSUMES she was not the ONLY bitch to fall for you that quickly. it is like reverse-social-proof. fucking a bitch FAST makes them think you can fuck other bitches FAST. >'confirm' her worst fears so that she acts), but its not enough for >me. I want connection, good sex, and romance, with an intelligent >woman, and that is why I want to date you (psychicbabe). nice line. this is another thing I will consider. talking-up MLTR to them. 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(I tell her because >I am seeing her! like I told you the first time! I mean what do >you expect?!?). > >She then puts on her bitch face, and talks in a stern voice, >"then call me when you break her up, that is my decision, I am >going home.". THIS is retarded because she ALREADY knew that you were fucking her AND she fucked you herself. this is another problem with bitches having information about other bitches. they use it against themselves. IMO, the purpose of her knowing you have another girl or SEVERAL other girls is so she knows where she stands in the RACE to be your MAIN BITCH. if you are single, she has a good chance at being that to you. if you are "taken" she has NO CHANCE of being that to you. if you are SEEING bitches, then she has to COMPETE to be your #1. other than THAT, I think giving information about your other bitches is a mistake... 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I commend you for thinking of this "on the fly", but PLEASE, PLEASE! hehe I have MUCH more respect for you as a PUA than to hear some CRAP like this from you :) PLEASE think of something better for the next instance of a chick trying to BLACKMAIL you into trading in a R-E-L-A-T-I-O-N-S-H-I-P where you are getting EVERYTHING you want from a chick... for a ONS with HER! HAHAHAHAHAHA >:) I haven't run into a chick STUPID enough to try to disrespect my MLTR for being with me... chicks have STARTED to say she is dumb for "letting" (as if she has ANY say in the matter) her man fuck other chicks, and I have BROKEN THEIR FUCKING ASSES listing the benefits that SHE is getting that they will most likely NEVER have with a man... EVER! and CERTAINLY don't have right now, or they would not be talking to me in a bar... they would be with THEIR OWN MAN conducting this FANTASY RELATIONSHIP that they are professing that my MLTR should have :) I have NEVER run into a chick that has even TRIED to break into my relationship with MLTR because they KNOW I mean business. all they can do is become ANOTHER MLTR... and after they hear the QUALIFICATIONS, they KNOW they can't even achieve THAT... only ONS and LJBF with me. if some bitch EVER suggested that I break up with MLTR in order to ONS her, I would A) laugh in her face and B) immediately demand an EXPLANATION of the reasons why she thinks she can knock MLTR out of the box AND make her perform ANY AND ALL SKILLS that she CLAIMS to be better than MLTR at IMMEDIATELY! put up or SHUT THE FUCK UP! the result would be the ONS ANYWAY, and she would still be LJBF or NEXT because MLTR is NOT about sex... it is about compatability and I PERSONALLY could not be with some bitch that needs to knock other chicks off in order to gain status. I gain status by BEING MYSELF and letting bitches make INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED decisions to be with me. any chick that wants to be with me had better do the same. >she gets upset, and starts >screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am >just like her ex-bf, getting other girls while dating her, and how >all guys just want sex..etc.. I would have told her "you wanna calm the fuck down?" throwing tantrums and making scenes are expressions of her ability to do ANYTHING in your presence. I personally don't tolerate that. >Then she says.. ok, if you let me meet your GF at your house >tonight, then I will let you have sex with me. [ha! I got her!] ok. thank God I happened to read the next line before I started typing this. I was JUST going to ask you WHY you are STILL letting her blackmail you into fucking her... ESPECIALLY when she is the one that needs it and you don't :) >I bounce back, and say, "what exactly makes you think I am >desperate to have sex with you tonight?! Do you think I am >just some stupid guy and you can manipulate me like that? >No, you will not meet my GF, it is disrespectful to her to do >that. You know the situation, it was clear to you from the >beginning, and you accepted it. There is no more to talk about. >I am not here only for sex, I can get that anywhere. Sex only >of itself is of little value to me, I want more than that. SWEET! :) break her fucking ASS maniac :) >I then bring out the nuclear weapons! My tonality is very firm, >and I eye fuck her, while telling her the following. First, I tell >her that I already told her about my GF, she was clear about it >right from the start, and she has NO excuse. Then I go on to tell >her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case >that did NOT happen. So do NOT compare me to your ex. I am a >different person, and EXCEPT better treatment than that if you >ever want to see me again. She starts crying more, and hugging >again. ugh :/ fucking IDIOTS! man, the shit some bitches put you through! does everyone SEE why we have to study this shit? >I put her against wall, and tell her not to complain about me like >I am her ex, I a am different person than he is. > >I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation >with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal >with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady.. >and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY >unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up >alone! this is a good point. I like to play it the other way: ok... so now, you have told me that you want everything to be a 'perfect' situation with a guy before making a move. You want him to be ideal with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady... WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE WILL WANT YOU? WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING TO THE TABLE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE A MAN LIKE THAT CHOOSE YOU OVER ANY OTHER CHICK? you wanna see some confusion? you wanna see a bitch get BROKEN? HAHAHAHA >:) of course, I use this on chicks that I am just practicing on, because it normally induces DEPRESSION, not horniness. when they have to GO DEEP INSIDE and dive BELOW THE SURFACE of their programming, they realize that they CAN NOT TELL ME WHY A MAN WOULD WANT THEM! they stall the fuck out dude :) it's amazing. matter of fact, it's documented already. look at my recent thread with "telembe". I let her say all this bullshit about what she wanted from a guy in order to give up her virginity, then when she was finished talking about what she WANTED, I asked her what she was OFFERING to a guy that was going to give her all this committment and "love" and other bullshit and she said a whole bunch of shit that ANY bitch can and WILL give to a man she likes. she might have THOUGHT she had something to offer a guy that was going to seperate her from the pack, but she doesn't. even GOOD PUSSY can't get a bitch any credit because there are LOTS of bitches that can fuck and suck like pros... elites AND sub-elites. telembe NEVER told us what seperates her from the rest of the bitches that might make a MAN like the one she wants even LOOK HER WAY! the reason is that there is NO reason! :) bitches are programmed that MEN want them... but they are NEVER told WHY. the reason is that men like to FUCK and get their dicks sucked. they also like companionship and cooking and cleaning and for a girl to look good on their arm so they can feel accomplished around their buddies. chicks THINK they are ENTITLED to a good man... but the GOOD MEN... are picking GOOD WOMEN! if they were SHINING like they think they are, they would have been scooped up already and married or whatever they were looking for because some guy would have spotted her and said "I'm not going to let her go for ANYTHING" and she would be happy... at least according to her programming. OH, how I LOVE to see a bitch's face while she TRIES AND TRIES to dig up ANY reason why a guy as great as the one she claims to want would EVER choose her over any other bitch :) the JOY the JOY that I feel as this POMPOUS BITCH breaks the fuck down RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE! :) of course since I broke her, I keep talking to her and ease her back to a decent state of being and let her know that she can take steps to make herself into the woman that a man would want, but she has to really KNOW HERSELF and KNOW MEN in order to make an intelligent decision. I am not into depressing chicks... unless they TRULY DESERVE IT for all the depression they have caused men throughout their tenure as FINE bitches :) also, I have no desire to BREAK bitches and leave them like that. that just makes it WORSE for ALL OF US looking for FINE, yet DECENT chicks. >she cries, and says that is so true, that is her problem, she never >takes the chance and loses out because she doesn't make the >move on taken guys. Then I run my 'take chances routine' (if you take >a chance, in the end, the result is usually good, but if you don't, >just you get left behind, by yourself).. nice. I like that one... emphasizing loss and loneliness. >she cries more, says she >needs to take the chance, and doesnt want to be alone. she's done :) nice work. land her! >She says she has to be careful, that all guys want just sex, and >bitches about this for about 30 seconds. as opposed to what? what does she WANT guys to want? >Now I start the 'you need me, I dont need you..you think I just want >only sex, then you dont understand me at all.. if you think that is >what I am only, then you do NOT deserve me.. I do no need you to go out >with me if that is what you think I am.. I want connection, sex, >passion, and closeness.. and if you haven't figured that out about >me yet, then get another guy, because you dont understand me at all.. OK OK OK... you've CONVINCED me maniac :) that's some good shit right there :) starting NOW, I am pitching for MLTR ONLY. bitches that want ONS or LJBF will get what they deserve from me... which isn't much. I LOVE this idea of dissing her for claiming that you are looking for ONS... or even just a "bootie-call" type relationship :) I love it. I would feel so PROUD getting on her like this. sweet! EXTREMELY congruent! nice play! this is going into my style, starting RIGHT NOW! :) >I am doing this, because I know the left (logic) and right (emotions, >passion) are fighting each other..they have been all night. Because the >left doesn't accept the logic of the situation, but I know the right side >dying for a shag,..she is trying to rationaize going out with a taken guy, >but I have gotten her so excited tonight, that she needs that fuck. THIS is the reason I never learned any of this shit until recently. my caveman-kino style before this involved ZERO talking. totally kino and kissing and PHYSICAL seduction with domineering EYE-CONTACT. there was NO INFORMATION for the left side to process at all. EVERYTHING went STRAIGHT to the chick's right side, and her left had to try to process the EMOTIONS and turn them into a story that she could understand... in the meantime, she is PHYSICALLY falling for the kino and wanting MORE AND MORE until we are fucking. I never HAD to talk to chicks before OR after fucking them because my PHYSICAL ATTACK is so DEVASTATING! I would just take them over PHYSICALLY and their right brains would do ALL the work and the left would struggle to understand, but eventually succumb to the onslaught! ARG ARG! :) thanks for explaining that to me :) >As I touch her side of face, she goes doggy look, I kiss her, and she >gets like screambabe, panting. I put leg between her, she widens, goes nuts >totally. I ask her she likes me (in a tell her sort of way' you like me..'), >she replies 'yes'. I say (stare her down) .. she asks "what should I do?" >I say in a very strn fatherly voice while staring her down 4 inches from >her head.. you will follow me..that is what you will do.. and you will do >what I say. 'she says, 'I will'. I tongue her down more, run her crotch, >she almost cums right there, then I take her to a love hotel (her first >time!), no resistance what so ever. interesting. what just happened here? did you somewhere dictate to her that the terms of her being "your bitch" is that she has to sumbit to you fully? are you getting a verbal confirmation of that from her? or is something else going on... like she just plain UNDERSTANDS that you can move her to passions that make her WANT to cum and that you are going to take her there and over the edge? another point... what do you guys think of foreplay on a chick. he mentions that she almost came right there... do you think it is good to get her to the EDGE and leave her there so she is so horny, she will do ANYTHING for you to make her cum, OR to give her an orgasm right there in her clothes to demonstrate your sexual mastery over her? personally, I am into the sexual mastery thing because I notice a newfound RESPECT from a chick that has had guys on top of her NAKED, fucking her for all they were worth and she never came from it, and then I am just doing kino on her and fingering her and she cums from just that. do you think that making the chick cum on herself makes her want sex MORE or want it LESS since she just got off? take into account that chicks are multi-orgasmic and that they feel sexier after cumming, not DRAINED like guys. >As I am fucking her, I am putting things in her head, like D.Shades reports. >I tell her as she is screaming it feels deeper and deeper, closer and >closer. She is going nuts will I am fucking her. I need to reasearch this. is this more right-brain, left-brain shit where her left-brain is shut down because of the FIREWORKS that are going off in her mind because of the sex, leaving her wide open to suggestion? if you have any links for this, please post. >I stare her down, and I tell her you need me (during sex), she says yes. >I tell her from now on you will follow me, and do what I say. She says >'yes, I will'. I continue doing her, she says "it feels SO good, I really >need that, I really want it, i love you inside me!".. she is fucking like a >wild animal, loud voice, shouting and screaming, oh, I want it, give it >to me, I want to come! more of the same? >Then she tells me anything is ok as long as I dont hate her..she doesnt >want me to hate her. She wants me to hold/hug her, she cries a bit, then is >ok again (seems to be thinking of her old bf she says). I touch her >more, face goes totally doggy look, and finger her, she goes nuts, we start >fucking again. the "I don't want you to hate me" thing is very important in the D/s relationship... not that you set this up like that, but that is the MAIN incentive for her to follow your lead... that she does NOT want you to hate her and CERTAINLY not to banish her. when that is TRULY first and foremost in her brain, she will regulate HERSELF and place herself in-line with your thinking and what YOU want her to be. she also won't try to blackmail you anymore because she KNOWS it gets on your nerves and all THAT will do is get her EJECTED sooner rather than later :) >Her back is on the bed, and I am fucking her missionary, her legs are >spread and wide in the air, which I am holding. I tell her "see, I control >you, hehe ok... this is a little FAR-FETCHED for me at this point, but I have not researched it yet :) I DO like the next line though. >I go deep in your body because it is the one way to reach you totally >deep in your mind which no one else can do. interesting >By conquering your body, I can >conquer your mind (then I drill her a bit more after I finish the sentence so >she goes more crazy). I play with your body because it lets me control >your mind (then drill her some more..ha, it is like the ultimate form of >reward hypnosis). IS there such a thing as reward hypnosis? links please? :) >I ask her, so why you like me. She says she says, you are decisive and >sometimes I am indecisive, so you make it easy for me. I want the guy >to make it easy for me to decide what to do (important clue here Maniac! >maybe most chicks are like this! Maybe this too is where I fucked up >with HB Geek!) I have heard this a lot too... only thing is that there is a lot of RESPONSIBILITY that comes with telling a chick what to do, and if the VALUE of owning her is not sufficient for me, I don't give a fuck WHAT she does enough to want to lead her to a good time. >Moral of the story.. keep your ground.. call all chick bullshit DIRECTLY. >Make the chick risk fear losing the relationship if she doesn't capitulate >and chances are she will back down, in spite of how it looks (and I could >do this BECAUSE I had other choices.. another reason to be fucking >several chicks at once). As well, it seemed that she was giving me all the >bullshit in part because she WANTED me to call her on it, and then fuck her good >at the end of the night, which I obliged. chicks give you shit-tests to find out if you are stronger than them and see HOW you are going to control them. chicks like the way I control them because I NARROW their choices for them, but STILL make them choose. they can choose the path of ULTIMATE SATISFACTION, or they can choose the path of EJECTION and being back on the dating scene meeting the SAME LAME GUYS every night :) you had told her you had a girlfriend, but she seems to have NEEDED to know that she really COULDN'T have you all to herself and that you really DIDN'T NEED to fuck her that night or EVER. you stuck to your guns (after letting her get to you for a while :-) and she eventually ran out of logic and got overridden with kino and gave up the fucking pussy like she came there to do :) >Constructive comments/opinions welcome! > >Maniac High >http://www.pickupguide.com EXCELLENT! keep up the GOOD WORK dude! :) --- From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Date: 30 Dec 2000 20:12:47 GMT Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!] >Subject: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!] >From: maniac_high@yahoo.com >Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 10:37 PM >Message-id: <92jvre$obh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> >)this chick is a very highly educated, driven, professional > career woman and earns likely a big 6 figure salary >b)she is very mature, focused and spends all day in her office > surrounded by sharks and other pirrhana type scumbag characters She's got to be in control ALL DAY LONG at work. Small wonder then, with a man, she wants to fully SURRENDER control and be made to submit. It's like all those super-powerful Congressmen and Judges and the like who LOVE going to get pissed-on and whipped by some Madame Dominatrix. >I regroup my thoughts. I admire your ability to do this in the field, Maniac. As you think about it, what do you do internally to re-set yourself and keep yourself in a good frame of mind when all this shit throws your way? >I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is >excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations Metahpor is a POWERFUL tool to move folks from a fixed perception to a new one. Please, share your story! > Now she starts crying, and saying that was the >problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped >her last week, apparently). Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it feels good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities. So when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. She's worried about pain, so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only losing out on the pleasure of screwing, BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE crack-up. Once she accepts this, it's a done deal. >he gets upset, and starts >screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am >just like her ex-bf, See? The fear of the pain of being hurt just like her ex-BF hurt her is now rearing its ugly head. She doesn't seem like a very emotionally stable person in ANY event, let alone having just been dumped by a guy. >Then I go on to tell >her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case >that did NOT happen Sharp thinking. Again, what do you do internally to keep your state solid and your thinking sharp? THAT process internally is of great value, even more than the specifics you share. The specifics are like handing guys fish; good for a nice meal and of value. But how you get to the mind-set is TEACHING someone HOW to fish so they can eat for life. >I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation >with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal >with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady.. >and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY >unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up >alone! Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her "ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be! Excellent...Maniac, I don't give a damn WHAT my orthodox SS followers say, this is BRILLIANT stuff and I'd be proud to be your wing or have you as mine, ANY FUCKIN' DAY of the week! Sir, I salute you! >Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too >much) >of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this. Actually, you ARE not arguing the logic, but you are USING the logic...HER logic..HER way of viewing things.....pointing out WHY and HOW she loses and what will happen if she doesn't stop it. It's all centered around losing and WHY she loses, based on what she has told you. It IS logical, FROM her point of view. Great, Great stuff...sir, I salute you! ----- From: maniac_high@yahoo.com Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!] Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:03:54 GMT Replies to various people about psychicbabe: Answers to various questions: Was psychicbabe british, or Japanese? She was a brit of Japanese ancestry (ie. she looked 'j', but thought, acted and had an english accent like a brit). This in my opinion made it harder, because brit women are so fucking F A T, and she was so slender, sexy and attractive (and she dressed to kill) compared to all of them. Lots of guys were hitting on her (and she said she always got hit on, and hated it.. trick was to not make it look like a 'hit'). Why not a white chick? Well, I had the chance... but.. at the conference where I met her, EVERY brit. white chick there was in serious blimp bulge territory.. very scary. Why is it so many caucasian women are so FAT? It was funny though, because something like 8 guys (I counted) tried to hit on psychicbabe the night I PU'd her. One guy was pretty good, the rest were total AFC's..it was rather funny. Re: Rocks -vs- gold.. how I use it (yes, it is Jake's metephor. For RJ, search the original post on fastseduction.com. It is also on pickupguide.com someplace (if not it will be there in about 2 weeks, I am revising the page this week). Basically, I intro it as follows: After chick says bullshit about wanting to go to dinner and be friends or shit for 6 months before becoming a GF, I say: Actually, I dont go to dinner or stuff like that with ladies who are not my GF CHick: gasps! Maniac: see, going to dinner, is an important step in a relationship for me. I only share it with someone special chick: Huh? Maniac: Well, let me put it this way, do you ever sleep with a guy who is just your friend, or dont care about? chick: of course not! Maniac: well, why do you think a guy should do any different then? Maniac: See, let me tell you a story. You ever hear about 'rocks & gold'? chick: no? what is it? Maniac: Well, Relationships are valuable things. And each partner is looking for something. It is like diamonds (rocks) and gold. Both are valuable. But women prefer diamonds to gold (usually), and men prefer gold to diamonds (usually). Of course, both are important, especially in a long term relationship, but if a woman could choose, she would prefer the diamonds first, and the man would prefer the gold first. right? chick: yeah, probably Maniac: And (generally), a man can accept gold without the diamonds, and a woman can accept diamonds without any gold. So in a relationship, a woman is mining for diamonds, while the man is mining for gold. While they are in the mine together, the guy gives diamonds he finds to the woman, and the woman gives the gold she finds, to the man. But if you give a woman gold only, or a man diamonds only.. neither is likely to be very happy, and the relationship will soon fall apart. In short, an exchange of sorts takes place in a successful relationship. And also, if a man expects just gold (sex), but doesnt want to give her diamonds (relationship & the mushy stuff), then she will dump him fairly soon, because he is playing/using her just for sex.. And if a woman expects just diamonds (walks, attention, nice dinners, movies..etc) without giving some gold (sex), then he (if he has any clue about how to deal with women, though many men do not, especially in North America) will dump her because she is using/playing him just for his personality. A guy taking a chick to dinners, buying shit and giving nice walks without sex is THE SAME as a guy sleeping with a girl, and then kicking her out right after the fuck is over. (chick says: 'yelch!'. Yes, thats right, and for the guy, just dinners and buying shit is 'yelch', with no sex, and no attention is exactly the same. Because a woman will go to free dinner with almost any guy, it has no value to me. But I am like you, I want attention, and I want to be made to feel special. And although a girl will go to nice free dinners with almost anyone, I also know that a girl will not sleep with anyone. So I know if she does with me, then it means she thinks I am important. And if she wont, then it means she doesnt care about me at all, so I really dont need to see her again, I will just go find another girl. Maybe you might think it is unusual for a guy to think this way, but it is just my way. See, I dont want to be played. Guys are always getting played by girls for nice dinners, long talks on the phone, and for their personalities. It is the SAME as a girl being used for sex. So I am happy to give plenty her diamonds, but at the same time, I dont want to be played, so I also expect her to want to give me gold. And if she doesn't, it means she doesnt care about me, is using me, or it means I am being played, or I am stupid. As well, experience has also showed me that 'friends first' almost NEVER results in a relationship. I mean how many of your BFs were your friend first (chick usually replies..uh, zero). Exactly, so that is why I never play 'friends first'. Friends first means diamonds for the lady, and no gold for the guy. That is like the guy saying (ok, lets fuck for 6 months, and if its good, we can go to dinner, and go out, and you can be my GF). Would you like that (chick: yelch!!). Exactly.. so that is why it is far better, that the lady meet me, get to know me, and then I expect her to be smart enough to know to take that chance THEN (or reject it, and I will go get another lady) when it is offered to her. So that is why I expect things that way in a relationship with a lady. After this, a chick is (usually) quite impressed, or surprised and doesnt know what to say.. [When I recited this to psychicbabe, she actually told me she was very impressed, that I understood relationships so well ;-) ] Had I been smart, I would have used it on HB geek, and laid her, but after that failure I thought about it, and then when the same situation came up with Psychicbabe this week, I knew what to do.. Ok, now on to other comments.. RJ writes >Maniac writes: > >I regroup my thoughts. > > I admire your ability to do this in the field, Maniac. As you think about it, > what do you do internally to re-set yourself and keep yourself in a good frame > of mind when all this shit throws your way? A couple things.. first, this PARTICULAR chick is of no importance to me, because I am (likely) seeing 3 others this week. So it is not as risky to me to be firm, and keep my ground. Another important fact, is the way chick's brains are usually wired. For a chick, once she likes a given guy, it is hard for her to immediately switch to another guy. it is far MORE risky, because a chick (unlike men), usually cannot switch to another guy, once she ALREADY likes a given guy (story is different BEFORE you got her to like you..then SHE has more power than you). So I play on this, and as a result I dont feel nervous/scared at all, because there is far more to risk to her, than to risk to me. Because she is stuck to me, but I am not stuck to her. (this also is why 'jerks' can get away with so much shit on any given chick, and why she will tolerate it.. because her brain has now got her focussed on THAT guy, and it is now a choice (in her mind), between him (and his bullshit... or being alone (sure she can get another guy in 10 minutes, but she cannot build those nice feelings of 'attachment' in 10 minutes.. that gives us men power, once we realize this). Two, I am generally a very balanced level headed person, and dont take any of this personally (as you already know, RJ). Three (in this case), I had already laid this chick, so I didnt care really if I laid her again or not.. I already conquered her, and she (and I) already knew that. If it is a new chick, sometimes, I get more nervous/fucked up (see HB Geek). I am trying to keep my senses more when this happens > > Now she starts crying, and saying that was the > >problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped > >her last week, apparently). > > Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it feels Not sure about this, I think she just simply wanted the fuck, but wanted to feel she was important to me, and she didnt want to just get played.. > good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities. So > when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the > potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. She's worried about pain yes, thats right. > so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only losing > out on the pleasure of screwing, Not really. I actually made it clear to her that I didnt care if she bang me or not. The point was that she had to give her mind to me, and respect me, and follow me (whether that is bang me, make her take off her clothes in the window for me, or do my dishes..whatever.. its not the banging that is important, it is the submission to me that counts, and what she needs to give me if she wants my attention at all). > BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER > believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if > she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE > crack-up. Yes > Once she accepts this, it's a done deal. > > >he gets upset, and starts > >screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am > >just like her ex-bf, > > See? The fear of the pain of being hurt just like her ex-BF hurt her is now > rearing its ugly head. She doesn't seem like a very emotionally stable person > in ANY event, let alone having just been dumped by a guy. No, she is not stable at all. I think though, it is because she bottles it up all day, to be the 'office bitch' that she has to be in the daytime. This chick lives for her work. She has no other life. > > >Then I go on to tell > >her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case > >that did NOT happen > > Sharp thinking. Again, what do you do internally to keep your state solid and > your thinking sharp? THAT process internally is of great value, even more than > the specifics you share. The specifics are like handing guys fish; good for a > nice meal and of value. But how you get to the mind-set is TEACHING someone > HOW to fish so they can eat for life. Actually, the specifics are important I think. This is why lay/field reports with details are so important. I think really shitty on my feet. I really suck.. bad. But if I have had that same experience before (with another chick), or been in that same situation before, and either succeeded (or failed, and then thought about how to handle it right the next time), then I will handle it correctly this time. I really believe in field experience. I have alot... really alot. so I have seen many of these situations before. It is like chess, or a foreign language. If you've been there before, and worked out a solution, then you know what to do. You MUST get field experience. It is CRUCIAL. And each time you fail, you go home, and see what you did right/wrong, and what you would do if the same situation happened again. This is why I also post the fuckup as well as the lay reports.. they are very valuable to me in gathering my thoughts and forcing me to think about what I did right/wrong, as well as listening to the other's comments about them on this NG. I also look at the other's reports as well, and learn about situations, and ask myself for each one, if it happened to me, what would I do/how would I handle it. Eventually, after doing it for a couple years (I have been at this in ernest for about 2 years now), you get better at it. Learning situations in PU, is like learning the words of a foreign language, and how to connect them all together.. how to move from a bad situation..to a good one to get the chick in a horny state.. Also, I keep in mind alot about what MrSex4uNYC says about attitude, and when I get stuck, I ask myself, what would NYC tell me right now about this situation. He is very congruent, and if you think things this way, it is easy to be clear what is the right way or wrong way. > >I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation > >with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal > >with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady.. > >and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY > >unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up > >alone! > > Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her > "ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then > accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be! Yes, basically that is the idea. I am not sure that it means I am an authority, but its more, to convey that she is clueless, she is wrong, so to listen to herself will make her fuck up even more.. ..so maybe she had better listen to me instead, and then she wont fuckup as much.. basically that is the idea.. > Excellent...Maniac, I don't give a damn WHAT my orthodox SS followers say, I didn't get this.. What are orthodox SS followers, and I had no idea they were saying anything about this.. I really dont understand what you mean here.. > >Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too > >much) > >of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this. > > Actually, you ARE not arguing the logic, but you are USING the logic...HER > logic..HER way of viewing things.....pointing out WHY and HOW she loses and > what will happen if she doesn't stop it. It's all centered around losing and > WHY she loses, based on what she has told you. It IS logical, FROM her point > of view. Yes, basically that is the idea. What I meant was, is that her main point is that she wants a monogamous BF, and doesn't want to be played. But, I am playing her, and she (at some level) realizes that, so in essense, her gut feel about this is totally correct. But I am playing her desire for the fuck, and her fear of losing out, which lets me bypassing her gut feel that she is being played, and then I can get her to fuck anyways. Good followups everyone! Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com ----- From: maniac_high@yahoo.com Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!] Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:10:23 GMT "Dohn Joe" <nobody@aol.com> wrote: > <maniac_high@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:92n7b9$146 $1@nnrp1.deja.com... > [snip] > > The more I think of it, the more this seems to be a great PU. > I think the PU in England is the gist of your piece of work. >o I'd be glad to see more > details on how you picked her up in England, that's the hardest work. How > did you stand up the crowd? How did you make it not look like a PU? I was using psychological 'jujitsu' (use the strength of your opponant, against themself). There is a field report from 2 months ago, that outlines the PU (check fastseduction.com archives). Basically, I met her at a conference. I didnt talk to her much. Then I followed her onto a bus that was taking us to the next meeting place. A guy was hitting on her, and he sat with her. I sat on the seat in front bymyself. She (like most british bitches), started complaining about how she hates men, and other bullshit. The guy on the bus with her is taking this/agreeing with it (if I remember right). I just turned around (and tonality and eye contact here is crucial), and just tell her in a VERY authoritative voice, slowly.. "perhaps you have just not met the right man yet, one you understands you, deeply, and completely. But.. you never know the future.. now do you.. I used killed eye contact, spoke slowly, and continued "perhaps if you open your mind more, you might find him.. by surprise, without even expecting it, because often, that is the way it usually is..see" Psychicbabe went "maybe", and then started more manhating bitching. I then described the kind of man she wanted "one you could rely on, but at the same time, be mysterious, and exciting in some unexpected ways, because he just knew how to reach you deep inside you, and your mind.. that is what your looking for..isnt' it?" Psychicbabe: yes, {continue PU, bunches of stuff from the ManiacPlan, if I remember right} The key here was the tonality and Eye-Fuck contact. That is what did it more than the words I used. I just totally crushed her with it.. > How did > you get past her "bitch office" shield? I'm asking especially because, as I > picture this woman, it would seem pretty intimidating for me to approach > her. I had the attitude that she obviously had never met a man that knew how to give it to her right, which means that she obviously needed ME far more than I needed her. That mindset made it easy. > I admire your ability to take her from there into total submission. > existing relationship than guys. That's why many (even HOT ones) find > themselves in a dead end - boring or abusive - relationship, love to > complain about it to whoever they find to listen, yet are unable to step out EXACTLY!! > of it. That's why the first fuck is hard - after that she is bound > emotionally to you. You see, >Women's sexuality is DISSOLVED in them. Yes! you understand it!! (true for most, but not all chicks though, some just like sport fucking, like we do) > GREAT words to remember for all us RAFCs when we feel like beating the walls > after a fuckup... I myself am so darn depressed when coming back after an > unsuccessful encounter with a chick. Yes, each field experience is one more > lesson Yes, do NOT underestimately field experience. It is SO important. I fucked up TONS (see all the fuckup reports I used to post a couple years ago on ASF), and I still fuckup alot (see HBGeek, or HockeyBabe). Over on cliff's list they say it takes 2..4 years to get good at something, and 10 years to be a master. I TOTALLY agree. I have only been at this for 2.. 2 1/2 years. And the more I learn, the more I realize I still need to learn.. There is still TONS that I dont know yet. Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com ---- From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC) Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:08 GMT Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!] I, for one, am really GLAD to see a post from RJ that has helped me move forward in MY game :) not that I am an ingrate hehe... his contribution to all this is UNDENIABLE to begin with and if I hadn't stumbeled onto his site, I would have still been using my caveman tactics and my MENTAL seduction game would still be lacking. as much as I appreciate his contribution to the seduction game in general, I had been disappointed with all the flaming and nonsense that he and others had/have been involved with because I thought that this NG was BASED on USEFUL interaction between him and the rest of us, but I found that not to be the case :( not that ANYONE gives a fuck what I have to say about this, but I wanted to back up into the PAST to make it clear that I appreciate RJ's PERSONAL contribution to the NG TODAY. In article <20001230151247.26801.00001467@ng-fi1.aol.com>, erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) writes: >>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is >>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations > > Metahpor is a POWERFUL tool to move folks from a fixed perception to a new >one. Please, share your story! I have been doing this without identifying it: A) find out her perception (marriage, monogamy, sucking dick VS kissing...) B) "quote" her a story illustrating a chick that saw things a DIFFERENT way (the way I want HER to see things) and benefitted GREATLY from it (she is still with me, she got married to the guy she wanted, she gained inner peace and self-love...) C) watch her AGREE with something that she just minutes ago BELIEVED was incorrect, or not for her. the most fascinating part is (C) because I didn't realize my powers of validation, pacing then LEADING had developed so strongly. this is partially because I am an empath and can FEEL when a chick moves into different emotional states so I can relate to her from within her own state and effectively "vulcan mind-meld" with her, turning the TWO of us into a SINGLE, functioning entity so that I can dictate for US... to a degree. a frequent situation is chicks asking me if I am single. basically, I explain to them that I am in an "open" relationship. they practically INVARIABLY disrespect my MLTR for being stupid. "how can she go for that?" "I would have dumped you" "I would never let a man see other women"... sooooo :) I let them go on and on and get it all out and completely ENTRENCH themselves in the DREAM of them being with a man like me AND dumping me or CHANGING me or whatever their BULLSHIT FANTASIES are at the time. THEN I go into the BENEFITS of being MY PRIMARY relationship... :) when I stack up the LIST of BENEFITS and it stacks HIGHER than those bitches have in their OWN RELATIONSHIPS RIGHT NOW, they start thinking. they think about what LITTLE they really have in their relationships that MY MLTR is getting. they think about the TRUST and COMPANIONSHIP between us that they DON'T HAVE with their borefriends. they think about how she is SEXUALLY SATISFIED... DAILY if she wants it. she has someone to give her the REAL DEAL on how men are and what we want from chicks... not someone that's going to keep playing her until he is finished fucking her. they ALSO see how the other bitches (like them in the near future) come and go and MLTR CONSTANTLY receives the benefits of being with a man that does EVERYTHING for her that she could want... for the MERE price of NOT bailing because I fuck other chicks :) once I break it down to them, ALLLL I see on their faces is ENVY. matter of fact, they tend to look EMBARRASSED when I ask THEM about THEIR relationships. oh, that reminds me... the bitches that DON'T HAVE A MAN AT ALL fare the WORST in these situations. my MLTR has NEVER-ENDING SATISFACTION... they have STORIES of what they WOULD DO... IF they could get a man AT ALL! :) chicks would rather have 20% of a WINNER than 100% of a LOSER! >> Now she starts crying, and saying that was the >>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped >>her last week, apparently). > >Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it feels >good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities. So >when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the >potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. wow! VERY powerful :) I had really considered these to be apples and oranges... pain of emotions after sex and pain of LOSS of the individual. however, discomfort is discomfort. I quit giving UTILITY to this PIVOT I was using because I realized she had ZERO self-esteem and not many other redeeming qualities other than her looks. she went from LJBF to NEXT overnight. I had been using her for a pivot because of her looks, but her lack of personality started to wear on me and finally, she had to go. no more hanging out, no more phone calling, no more help with her love-life... nothing... cold turkey. completely FORGOT about her. about a month or so later, the holiday season comes around and she A) calls me B) tells me she bought me something for christmas (I bought her NOTHING, not even a CARD and didn't bother to get one when she told me she bought me something) C) tells me she wants to bring it TO my house, and D) shows up with gift in hand, READY to socialize and spend time with me. this is the SAME bitch that NEVER went in her purse to even OFFER to throw in money when I used to use her for a pivot. I didn't mind paying for her though because the benefits I got from being out with an attractive chick that KNOWS I am out to get OTHER bitches and facilitates that was well worth it :) hehe... too bad for her, MLTR was over and I received her gift, talked to her for a while (where she told me her recent "relationship" blew the fuck up in her face :-) and then ejected her to keep having fun with MLTR. I have been using outfoxer's style of letting bitches get involved in bullshit relationships, TELLING THEM the relationships are bullshit then letting them fall FLAT on their faces and come CRAWLING back to me :) I just haven't added the part yet where I get indignant that they are giving sex to CHUMPS that use them like BITCHES and throw them away. hehe it is fun enough at this point just to hear about their FAILURES from the horses' mouths and see the sad looks on their faces, while I am CONSTANTLY SMILING :) what you described is BASICALLY what happened to her, except NOT in the sexual content, but in the companionship content. she THOUGHT she had a solid position with me as my pivot, so she didn't feel like paying for anything because she thought I NEEDED her, not WANTED her. as soon as I didn't want her anymore and dumped her from LJBF to NEXT, she was OK with it UNTIL her relationship BACKFIRED... THEN she decides she wants to get back in good with ME, which she can't do because I don't give a fuck about her and except for looks, she can't compete with MLTR AT ALL! the pain of loneliness overrides the emotional pain of sex without committment... fascinating :) >She's worried about >pain, so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only >losing out on the pleasure of screwing, BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER >believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if >she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE >crack-up. > > Once she accepts this, it's a done deal. ok, this is interesting too. "this is why you fucked up with your ex and I feel the same way about that particular topic". you are FORECASTING her EJECTION unless she changes her ways. she is still WITH YOU and has a chance to do the right thing instead of getting ejected. she already knows how it feels to BE ejected by her EX and doesn't WANT to go through that pain AGAIN with you. you dictate to her HOW she could have avoided it with her EX and she learns how to avoid it with you and gets in line. this is another reason why DICTATING what you REQUIRE from chicks is good, because they have the roadmap to success or FAILURE with you. as long as you have demonstrated personality AND value BEFORE getting to this with her, she will be in a state of "how can I get my hands on this guy... and KEEP him?" and then you will tell her what she needs to do to be CONSIDERED amongst your TOP chicks and then is is up to her to either fulfill her womanly duties or... as you predicted... get ejected and feel the PAIN OF SEPERATION all over again with someone that she ALREADY knows she WANTS to be with... WHATEVER the cost. everyone has their price. I find, most times, chicks are TALKING with no EXPERIENCE. a chick told me that she dumped her borefriend because he laughed at her. I told her that the sex must not have been good because otherwise she would have had to use more than THAT to justify dumping an entire relationship. she CLAIMED that sex had nothing to do with her decision and that he didn't RESPECT her was why she dumped him. I told her that if the sex had been what it is SUPPOSED to be... I GUARANTEE her that she would NOT have thrown THAT away because of some laughing and disrespect. I also proceeded to laugh at her AND disrespect her IN HER FACE and told her I don't care because we are not dating... she can't DUMP ME! she never ADMITTED that I was right... BUT... by the end of the conversation, she was asking me WHAT SHE SHOULD DO TO MAKE HER LOVE LIFE BETTER! :/ gotcha! >>I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation >>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal >>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady.. >>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY >>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up >>alone! > > Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her >"ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then >accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be! yes. I really have not been making the MOST of pacing and leading. I have been seeing where they ATTACH THEMSELVES to my way of thinking and see me as an authority. I have not used this to MAKE POLICY for them... merely to open their minds and get them to think more efficiently. you are right though. once you capture them... LEAD THEM! make SOME efficient use of your new followers... even if you were only practicing or passing time by capturing them :) excellent post :) ------ From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC) Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:10 GMT Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!] In article <92n7b9$146$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maniac_high@yahoo.com writes: >After chick says bullshit about wanting to go to >dinner and be friends or shit for 6 months before >becoming a GF, I say: Actually, I dont go to dinner >or stuff like that with ladies who are not my GF >CHick: gasps! >Maniac: see, going to dinner, is an important step >in a relationship for me. I only share it with someone >special >chick: Huh? >Maniac: Well, let me put it this way, do you ever >sleep with a guy who is just your friend, or dont >care about? >chick: of course not! [lots of good use of Jake's shit snipped] this is interesting, though I couldn't tell if this is something you are GOING to do, or something you DID already. either way, IF you are congruent, this will serve you well as an alternate form of screening. most of the time, I screen by ASKING chicks shit and listening to their answers while watching their faces and body-language. another way to do it is to basically DICTATE to them what I need to even CONSIDER being with a chick in any capacity whatsoever. most of the time I don't do this though because I can tell already that the chick is worthless. I usually get into DICTATION when she asks me about myself. am I attached? what do I look for in a woman? etc. THEN, since she asked, I get into the reasons I have chosen women in the past and why I am still with them in the present. as I do that, I lay down my laws WITHOUT telling the chick I am talking to that she needs to get in line with this shit or get the fuck out of my face. I have had a couple of chicks blow themselves out after this. I was talking to a chick that I know from YEARS ago that started calling me again and talking about nothing. I tolerated her for an hour or so on two different days A) because I was bored and B) because through her speech patterns and recurring ideas, I was learning if she was worth anything to me at all, considering I get everything I want or need from MLTR in the first place, she only had a VERY LIMITED use to me, as GOOD backup-pussy. MLTR is smarter, more interesting, more fun, less psychotic... basically TRUMPED her in all areas, so this chick had NO CREDIT with me whatsoever. I ended up getting into PRECISELY what you did in your post. the KICKER was when I told her "I don't even TALK to girls that I don't want to fuck". since I had not fucked her AND had not suggested that we get together (she BELIEVES in monogamous relationships for herself and even if she fucked me one time, it would be merely to relieve her own personal stress and I am not going to be there for her for that. I am looking for MORE MLTRs... anything else can go fuck off. I laughed at her way of being AND broke it down to her why it was so stupid AND let her know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that I was not going to be involved in ANYTHING CLOSE to what she claims to want for herself... she can STAY HORNY for all I care) she INTELLIGENTLY asked me WHY I was talking to her... I let her know that I found her amusing and her way of living ineffective. I pointed out to her that in the YEARS since I had spoken to her last, ALL she had to show for it was a bungh of jibberish about WANTING a monogamous relationship that she HAS NOT ATTAINED IN ALL THESE YEARS! I let her know that I had predicted that she would REMAIN dissatisfied for years to come and my talking to her allowed me to follow her LACK of progress while, in the meantime, I get laid EVERY DAY by MLTR :) I have not heard from her SINCE that conversation... good riddance. she knew what she HAD to do if she wanted more of my time. she knew what she was going to have to do IF she wanted to socialize with me at all. she felt like her DEVOTION to the idea of a monogamous relationship with a NON-EXISTANT man was more important than getting fucked by a guy that she KNOWS and LIKES. she is an idiot, and will remain horny UNTIL she fucks the wrong guy, then has NO ONE to comfort her because I will not be there because she had her chance and BLEW IT! I have ZERO TOLERANCE for chicks that want things their way. if they LIKE doing things MY WAY, then they can be with me...maybe... for a while... as long as they still LOOK HOT :) when I approach chicks, I ASSUME they will fail the screen because statistics show that I require A LOT from a chick and most of them are either distracted by work or other relationships or just are not QUALITY enough to be with me. I find it amusing how ridiculous the SAME girls are that I used to DESIRE to go out with and that I USED TO dislike being rejected by. now, I meet and REJECT girls daily. not actively, just after I meet them, I make NO EFFORT to remain in contact with them and go off to talk to other chicks, leaving them wondering WHY I was interested enough to approach, but BECAME DISINTERESTED and ejected for a SIMILARLY-GOOD-LOOKING bitch :)]]> http://www.pickupguide.com/asf-reader-comments-on-above-story/feed/ 0 Buy Cipro No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com/what-to-do-when-your-chick-catches-you-with-another-chick/ http://www.pickupguide.com/what-to-do-when-your-chick-catches-you-with-another-chick/#comments Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000 Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com/what-to-do-when-your-chick-catches-you-with-another-chick/ From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website: http://www.pickupguide.com What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick! From: maniac_high@yahoo.com Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!! Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!! 001117 {..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your chick!} In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction". It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction. Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden, another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,.. lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction and then the loss of both chicks results. The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already started) in a bar I was in last night. Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek. HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something), 27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work were far from this place, so there was very little possibility I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there. HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan" as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino & handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my shoulder and turn around. It is screambabe.. It goes like this: Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"? Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.." (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive voice, like nothing special is going on) Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you came in, and have seen the whole thing" Maniac: "uh huh, so?" Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?" Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.." Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry} Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight" Screambabe: "you better.." Maniac: "yes I will" Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..} Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU} Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see" {social proof gambit here!} HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her" Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us" HBGeek: "You should have told her" Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie} HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)" Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question, what kind of house would you like to have if you could have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this) {more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe still around could be dangerous} 10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at all} Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms out.. I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even still". Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and go outside and make out. Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us, we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek. -- Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around, and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all, and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally happened.. I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I think too. Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted everything that way. 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Today I am going to attempt to address closing (this is a much more difficult task). It is not an easy thing to write about. There are whole books out there on this stage of the sales process alone. Suffice to say that it is by far the most important. You can be perfect at the other 5 steps, but if you can not close, and ask for a call to action then you can not sell (or get a fuck). In fact salesmen say that there are 2 types of people in sales: The salesman (who is better than simply an ordertaker; at least he can so some things on his own ... if he is good he can generate leads, meet and initiate conversation, elicit values, support the sale, handle objections, and attempt to close). The other type is The Closer (he is the man that can really deliver. He can sell, charm and hold the customer to the deal). Closing a sale is the most important skill a sales person (or PUA) needs. You can be charismatic, come up with the best leads, have incredible presentation skills, but if you can't close, you can't sell (or PU). There are three steps to closing a sale and they are: A. Recognising the Time to Close B. Deciding on Your Closing Technique C. Making the Closing Statement In recognising the time to close you need to watch your customer. (Needless to say, Value needs to have been created first but some customers may know they need your product before you open your mouth. You can just walk up to the customer and close ... I have seen guys just walk up take a girl by the hand and lead her out of a bar without a word ... CLOSERS). You close too early (value has not been created or objections have not been overcome) you loose the sale. You close too late, the customer is out of their enthusiastic state, you will fall flat on your face again. Watch her state and see the opportunity. In fact the whole time you are with her you should be looking for that window of opportunity to close. Closing is the only reason you are even there. Some relevant closing techniques from sales I will outline below, but there needs to be a technique. In the PU situation, I would use them for a #close, or a date close (i.e. getting her out of the bar, or the supermarket queue into a coffee shop or your home to see whatever it is that you say you want to show them). It is a call for action. I make the reservation that you should not use a verbal close to get her answering the question "Shall we go and fuck?". This defies chick logic. Just get her to your house. The closing statement needs to be smooth and delivered with confidence. This is not a time for Umms and Ahhs. Once you have decided on your technique, you are ready to make the closing statement. It is time to ask for the order (or number or to leave together). There are some considerations that you should understand so that your efforts to close will be successful: * Stay in your normal discussion mode and tone. Don't telegraph what you are going to do by a change in posture or tone of voice. * Remember that you are asking for the order but don't pressure for a sale. Move slowly but deliberately to the next step in the process, if there is one. * Expect your close to fail if you have not provided the value needed by the prospect. Don't discount the failure, learn from it and do better next time. * Ask questions if the close fails to determine what went wrong and see if you can salvage the situation (the more high pressure the close you use, the more you are going to have to work to retrieve the situation). Okay, now for some of the techniques. See my post "Field report: A killer #close including overcoming BF objections" http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1&mn=970 26921569650 for a field report using many of these techniques. I know the close is far from perfect, but you can see my sales training shining through in it. It includes the yes ladder, an invitational close (crossed with the puppy dog, "try me, I am free"), fear factor close and pre-emptive objection strike (I'll be discrete). I reckon that I got the fuck largely on the strength of this close. The main reason customers say "no" is a fear of making a decision. They say "no" even if they want to buy from you. So, when a customer says "no," you must re-sell by creating more value, or building up the required state and close again. In order to do this, you must have more than one close to use. Otherwise, they will leave and go fuck your competitor. Here are some: The Power of Suggestion Close (called in NLP, time distortion) Help your customers to see themselves using your product. Speak to them as though they already owned it, and tie in a hot button benefit to its use: "When you use these vitamins and herbs, after only a few weeks you'll notice that you have more energy and that you feel healthier." or from in a pattern "Imagine us at the coffee shop laughing together and having a good time, and later you being at home feeling that you had a really good time and enjoyed yourself spending time with me over coffee. Now when you think about what I am saying, and all those feelings that I am talking about, doesn't it just make sense that we go and have coffee together now?" The Direct Close. (high risk, she could say "no", then she owns that no, and you have to prove her wrong.) The obvious and most frequently used close is the direct approach of asking for the order. Once you are sure in your mind that you have done everything possible to overcome objections, and if you feel that you can fulfill the prospects need, go for it. "If we want to continue this conversation another time, I will need your phone number, here is my pen." The Invitational Close. If you want it, you have to ask for it. Don't just wait for the customer to say, "I'll take it." They don't. Create the value, then invite them to do it. Say, "Why don't you give it a try? Go ahead and do it." The Option Close. The more options you give someone, the better your chances to close."Our truck is in this area twice a week, do want delivery on Wednesday or Friday?" "Do you want this charged to your Visa or MasterCard?" "I'll be in your area on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings, which would be a better night for us to catch up and have coffee?" These choices require a commitment and "no" is not offered as an option. The yes ladder close (TokyoPUA calls this one the yes-set). The yes ladder close builds a chain of "yes's" to questions the salesperson asks to help lead the customer into saying yes to the sale. To put the customer in the habit of saying yes, ask questions you're sure will get affirmative answers. See that field report for an example. The Puppy Dog Close (also called the Free Trial close) This close gets its name from the pet store closing technique of letting customers hold the animal they want to make it harder to resist, and even let them take it home for a week. This close lets your buyers see for themselves your product's quality. Make sure your customers hold, taste, feel, wear, try out your product, take it home for a week even and bond with it. Let the prospect use your product or service for a specified period of time with the understanding that you will pick up a signed order after the trial period. The Fear-Factor Close. This is very powerful because you are playing on people's uncertainties, insecurities and fears. People want products and services which minimize their risks whether it is personal or property related. "This water purifier will protect you and your family from some of the deadliest forms of bacteria in the water." Hard to implement, but I did it with that $5 close in the field report. The Readiness Close This close checks the client's "buying temperature." With it you can also find out if you are on the right path with your presentation or if you need to change course. The great thing about this close is that it doesn't end your presentation but instead tells you what direction to go. A. "Does this make sense to you?" B. "How do you feel about this so far?" C. "Is this what you wanted?" D. "Is this an improvement for you?" Not sure how to implement this last one, and have been thinking about it because it is so LOW risk. Any ideas? Comments / suggestions / applications / more closes are welcome. Toecutter. P.S. There are guys out there in this group who obviously can not close (Ray is the perfect example ... his Foxhunting crap I have read, but his handling of objections only delays his need to close by dragging the thing out. He is scared as shit of this step in the process, the call for action, and works out complex strategies so that he feels like he is doing something, but it never leads to the close. Realise that you NEED to close, and it is the only reason you are even there).]]> http://www.pickupguide.com/doing-proper-closes/feed/ 0 Buy Cipro No Prescription http://www.pickupguide.com/read-this-next-why-how-to-be-the-man-women-love-the-jerk/ http://www.pickupguide.com/read-this-next-why-how-to-be-the-man-women-love-the-jerk/#comments Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000 Maniac High http://www.pickupguide.com/read-this-next-why-how-to-be-the-man-women-love-the-jerk/ From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~maniac [Tom and 'Regular' talk about why chicks like "jerks" and why it helps to act more like a "jerk" if you want to be more successful with women. Sound astonishing? Well, it is.. so read on.. and you'll see why its true. Then the rest of this site to learn more about being the kind of guy that women love (in spite of what they might tell you)!] From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:56 1999 Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.seduction.fast Subject: Re: How women fuck over other women Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.romance:292992 alt.seduction.fast:62779 great post. I think there's one reason behind all that : Ultimately all women like to be controlled or 'taken' by someone I should say. So they resist a little, but they like the feeling of being pushed and when you're nice you don't do that. "Jerks" are pushy by nature, so I guess that's why it works. 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