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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Cramias’ comments about this story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me $280.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » questions

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » questions

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » questions

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com



POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Cramias’ comments about this story

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » questions

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: Forest

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Nightlight introduces 'forest game'!



From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:50:10 GMT

You mention all these, but most of them are not very useful in the
initial meeting because they are too cerebral and too random.  Try ones
that are more viceral.  You are walking in a dark forest.  How do you
feel.  (how she approaches life).  You could to a wall with a door.
What do you do? (how she approaches obsticalls).  You look down and see
a cup on the ground what is it made out of? (how she views wealth).
You come to some water, describe it. (how she views sexuality).
Always end with sexuality because it is  a good topic for PU and
demonstrates you are comfortable with women and people a sexual context.

BookGuy, my comments are based on experience and field testing.  Please
do the same if you reply.

--
NightLight9
Just be yourself... smooth with interesting questions and interesting
answers.

Game: The Wall and the Forest

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Maniac introduces "The Wall and the Forest", a PU game.



From maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Game: The wall and the forest
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:18:24 GMT

Another one of those mindfuck games like 4 questions or the cube:

"The Wall and the Forest"

-You are walking in a field, you see a wall, how high is it, and
how do you get by it? [wall = pride, and also how you get past
obstacles]

-you continue walking, and you see a house [kind of house you dream
to have later in life]

-you see a key on the ground, you go to the house, does the key
open the door? [if yes, means you can get married]

-you go in the house (if you were able to open with the key), and
 on the first floor you see a table and chairs, how many chairs are
 there? [means how many people in your future family]

-now you go outside, and see to one direction a dense dark forest, and
 the other way, a less dense/brighter wooded area. Which way do you
 go? (dark forest=expect something, but unknown, take a chance)
     (bright wooded area=easygoing style/way)

-as you walk you then see a lake nearby. How big is it, and how deep
 is it? (big=size of your heart, depth=depth of your heart)

THE END


This game could be lethal for chicks who want to get married or
something like that. Make sure you answer the right answers when
you tell her "what your answers were" after you finish her turn!

Maniac High
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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Cramias’ comments about this story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Comments by cramias about the screambabe lay!




From: Chris 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 GMT


Another excellent report Maniac.  I wanted to comment on one thing below




> Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
> relationships
> (not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
> get
> it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)
>


> -are you adventurous (her: yes)
> -do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
>  fingers? (her: follow them)


These two questions I think are key to why you laid this chick.  Ross
has been hammering on setting a context for her that makes it easier
for a woman to respond to you (they're saying he talked about it at the
Chicago seminar, but I didn't go so I can't say).  If you can get the
girl to declare that she is adventurous and the type of person who
takes iniative, then she has to act consistent with that image of
herself that she has presented.  And later on in the report when your
trying to lay her, you keep saying "well, your the adventurous type,
right?"  She can't be inconsistent with the image she presented now, so
she goes ahead and fucks you.  You can do this in other ways too.  What
if during the course of your evening you kept asking her, "Are you
enjoying this?" "Are you having a good time?"  (in a non-supplicating
way).  This builds that yes-set.

great post


Chris

Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Meet, Talk, Lay! Maniac lays screambabe!



Date Posted: 2000/11/06 10:35:04 AM EST
Author: maniac_high@yahoo.com 
Subject: Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!

Lay Report! Screambabe gets a french kiss, and then shouts all night!
001106

Screambabe (she was a yeller during sex), was a chick (around 7 or so)
I met tonight for the first time, performed the 'new strategy' routine
I posted on ASF a couple days ago, and could lay her in about 2 hours
after meeting her (without any alcohol effect).

I took her to a quiet bar where I can sit next to her (she drank tea)
followed my routine exactly, with lots of kino (easy since I am next
to her), and good eye contact.

The one thing I did different is I performed "the cube" as one of the
questions in Craigs question game. She then showed me another game which
is also really good ("The Wall and the Forest"), I will put it in the
next
post, but also will be adding it to my routine as well. I realized the
games really put chicks into trance. You could almost go straight into
a hypnotic induction right there if you wanted as the mood was exactly
right (too bad Maniac doesn't know how to do hypnosis).

Another thing that was different, is I decided to talk less about
relationships
(not necc. for fucking her I figure), and more about fullfillment (ie.
get
it into the here and now.. ie. within the next 2 hours)

After the whole routine was finished, I made sure to plant the following
questions during the question game as the setup to the lay:, also I
touch
her chin lightly as I smile and asked these questions (among others
already
in the list I posted)

-did you ever 1st kiss a guy on the first date (her: yes..once)
-are you ashamed of it (her: no, I can kiss in most places)
-are you adventurous (her: yes)
-do you follow your passions, or do you let them slip by through your
 fingers? (her: follow them)
-how soon after meeting someone did you start a relationship/fuck them
 (her: 1 month)
-I told her story about how guy must pay attention to the girl at all
 levels, both emotionally and physically. I also performed the rocks-
gold
 story and how rocks were important for girls, and gold for guys.
-she asked me about my ex gfs, and I told her that my first gf dumped
me right away because I was aweful at sex, so I studied alot after that,
and made sure to pay attention to the woman during sex. Then I said that
you can tell when you dance with a woman (even if she is not
experienced),
how she will be during sex, by seeing how well she follows you during
dance.
This was good and got the conversation very sexual at the end.
-I asked her if good physical interaction was important like emotional
 interaction, and she said yes.

It is 9pm and I want to get her to fuck now. We are in Shibuya at the
Kirin City "Beer Communication Space" Bar (love jap-lish names!), near
the
love hotels, so the goal is to get her into a nearby fuck/love hotel and
nail her.

I ask as the closing questions,
-you like me? [this is a leader, I knew she'd say yes] (her: yes)
-you adventurous? [also a leader, since I asked her at the start of the
 chat before things got sexual talking] (her: yes)
-then show me and kiss me now (her: resistance "here! too many people!")
Maniac: that's not adventurous, you are lying to me (said with a smile,
I remove all kino, turn my back and look the other way in my chair &
wait).
Maniac: then I turn back to her and say "that was terrible and not
adventurous
at all, now try again, start with my cheek (I get a cheek kiss)
Maniac: well that is a start, but I hope you can do better than that..
 (now I go for a lips one, and get a short one)
Maniac: well, that is better, it looks like you are capable.. now lets
try
 it again and do it correctly (also said with a smile).. now I get a
real
 french kiss
Maniac: well that is much better, now I can see you are the adventurous
type
Maniac & Screambabe (we kiss some more).
Maniac: We should go..
Maniac & screambabe head for the door

At the door:
maniac: got a few minutes? lets walk a little bit as I want to find a
more dark place to kiss you more (her: laughs, slight resistance, but I
got her hand and pull her along).

We get 1 block to love hotel area, she exclaims "I am not going to hotel
tonight!"
Maniac: ok,we are just going the other way (to houses nearby).. I take
her
the other way 40M, find a builing entrance, and kiss/feel her up. no
resistance

After 5 minutes of kissing and tit feeling and Screambabe going nuts:
Maniac: you like me?
Screambabe: yes (said like a chick dying to cum)
Maniac: lets go somewhere private we can kiss more..
Screambabe: Not tonight
Maniac: 5 more minutes of kissing, neck sucking and tit feeling
Maniac: lets go, just kissing, in private
Screambabe: 'not tonight' but softer this time
Maniac: [I take her hand and walk towards the hotels]
Screambabe: 'next time'
Maniac: [start kissing her right at the intersection, she is
embarrased: "lets
         go to a darker place"]
Maniac: [takes her up the street of hotels]
Screambabe: not tonight
Maniac [5 more minutes of deep kissing, neck sucking, leg in her
crotch, chick
        going nuts and about to cum on the street]
Maniac: move her to outside wall of hotel, right near the entrance
Maniac: That feels good doesn't it.. [more sucking and kissing], you can
        imagine what it would be like to feel me more directly [more
sucking
        and kissing & leg crotch, chick panting and shaking]]
Maniac: you want me, you want to feel good dont you [more sucking and
kissing
        & leg crotch], you can feel that, and it just makes you want
more [her:
        yes...yes...yes, more panting]
Maniac: I do not respect a woman who has a chance, and lets it slip by,
nor
        do I respect a woman who is to weak to follow her desires, her
        emotions and her passion.. but I do respect a woman who siezes
a
       chance when it is in front of her.. now you want me..dont you?
Screambabe: yes (and panting)
Maniac: then you must take that chance
Screambabe: not tonight (struggling with the panting)
Maniac: more kissing and sucking
Maniac: we are going [take her hand, she follows with only a little
        resistance]

now in hotel lobby:
[some other couple is paying, holding us up so I cant get the room right
away...I almost lose it because of  this, she loses state and says lets
leave (I cant kiss her more, because the other people right next to us,
she is so embarrased to kiss).. I hold her hand and stare her down with
an eyefuck, then the other couple leaves and I ignore her and tell the
guy I want the room.

We get the key and go up. The room is fucking hot, but that is ok, I
passion kiss her more, and put her on the bed, raise her top, and
suck her titties, no response (not from tits anyways), go for more neck
and leg in crotch and she goes nuts. I do this for 10 minutes, while
unbuttoning
the top.

I unbutton the jeans, she stop me (just kissing today, no sex..but only
light resistance). I suck her neck more, reach my hand in her crotch and
finger her till she goes nuts and starts screaming..

I pull off her pants (no resistance now). Finger her more, suck her neck
and make her shout and go fucking crazy.

I pull off the panties(no resistance), put on the condom, (supplied with
the hotel) and fuck her (no resistance).

She screams and shakes and goes nuts..

I give her a massage, then I fuck her again.

She says I am awesome and the best fuck she ever had (I know! ;-)

I remark how we feel so comfortable, and how it is strange that although
we only met tonight, it is like we knew each other for years, isnt it..
She agrees..

She gives me a massage, then I finger her again till she begs for mercy,
then we rest, get dressed and go back to the station and say goodnight.

THE END

Thoughts on this..

I de-stressed the long term relationship stuff this time, and could get
to the question game and mindfuck games quicker, and to the sexy stuff.
I didn't let resistance stop me, I was very persistant (but on the other
hand, her resistance wasnt strong with an angry look, but more medium
with
an embarrased look, which is OK).. I didn't take no for an answer,
figured
if she didnt like it, she can always leave, or show an angry look, then
I
would stop.

Being persistant got me the lay. She must have said no to me like 20
fucking times before I finally did fuck her. But they were the 'yes but
go slow' kind of no's, not real kind (still smiling/giggling, while
saying
no, not an angry or scared look at all).

This is the 2nd lay in 9 days that I got within 4 hours of starting my
script and running it to the end.. With the exceptions of the failures
in that other post yesterday, it seems to work..


Comments, opinions welcome.!

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