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Doing Successful Openers

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
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>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
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M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

This is my latest pickup plan. It is very long, but an AFC can learn it,
and follow it and likely get laid with it. As it is notes to myself (mainly)
some of it can be pretty cryptic. It is not word for word of what to say,
but the topics as reminders to me. Key is tonality and delivery (smooth,
slow talking, deep voice with confidence) as you run this plan.

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

Notes:
-A PU running this plan takes 3 (better 3.5) hours from opening to
lay. So to not run out of time, plan enough
time (3 / 3.5) + train time to return chick + 30 minutes (comfort factor).
She may not actually go back that night, but will need to know that she
can do so, before she agrees to go to your place.

-If the chick has a BF, you must GO FOR THE ONS TONIGHT. It is far more
likely she will flake out (ie. forget about you) if you do not get her
TONIGHT because once she does her BF again, she will get UNEASY, or FORGET
about you! If the chick has no BF, then you can risk waiting till the 2nd
time to lay her if timing or conditions are not right. But if a BF, you must
GO FOR IT TONIGHT as it is almost certain that she will NOT see you again
(even if she is sure she will at that first night), once she sees her BF's
face again the next time. (exception, married chicks, treat them as if they
are single.. they are probably sick of seeing their husbands faces!).

Also, if kino is good, you should go for the lay tonight, chicks monthly
cycles radically affect their horniness. Most chicks will be very horny
for a few days when they are fertile, and the rest of the time, don't care
about sex as much. So if you meet an HB, she is ready to go and make a date
for next week, chances are HIGHER she will be ICE COLD when you see her the
next time, just because her horny state has been lost. So Don't wait. On
the other hand, if you meet a chick, and she is reacting well to you, but
not kino, then maybe this is not her horny day, wait a week or two, and
try again before giving up.

-This plan focusses mainly on 'feeling' phrases (which are effective on
chicks) versus fact phrases (which are not as effective on chicks, since
chicks are not logical). It also has the advantage that it makes the plan
more flexible, because feeling things can be said in a much less strict order
(and even repeated often), which is not true of fact phrases (you can only say
what you did this morning one time to her). Each time you repeat a feeling
phrase in conversation, the chick will internalize it more.. which is what you
want.

How to use this plan:
-The idea is to start using the phrases in a section below, and then when
possible (ie. after you have run a bunch of the phrases in 1 section), start
slowly introducing phrases from the next section (each section is a mental state
transition, of the chick) below, (while still using some from the previous
section), and then expanding into the following section after that, while
still using phrases from the previous section. This may feel (to a guy) to be
random illogical rambling (which it is!), but remember, chicks don't think
logically, so they will not notice this (ever wonder how chicks ramble
senselessly for hours on end with their friends about totally nothing!?).

So as wierd as it may sound to you, the chick WILL be fooled by this,
and it will sound totally like regular natural conversation to her. This takes
care of the problem of 'natural sounding' conversation while doing transitions/
state setups. The lines in each section are in order of 'usefulness/ease of
applicability in general situations', so lines at the start of each section are
better. You can talk for 2..3 hours using this plan, and it should take around
2..3 or 4 hours of talk to get the chick to the last section/state of this
plan so that you can lay her. You do not need to complete a section before
moving to the next one, just use as many lines/topics from a section till
she is comfortable that you can raise lines from the next following section.

This means that it should always be possible to introduce phrases from any
section above the section you are currently in, while slowly advancing through
each section to the next (more deeper one) below. As a rule, you should try to
be saying phrases only from at most 3 adjacent sections (ie. when you move
into a new section of phrases, you (for the most part) drop the oldest section
you were using. Keep doing down the plan until you either lay the chick, or
crash the PU. Basically that is how it works.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

How it works:
-This plan is arranged to seduce the chick first from a romantic/emotional
(vertical) standpoint, and if that fails, use the 'emergency close' which is
a logical direct (horizontal) point of view (ie. HB brains) in the 'closing'
section.

-Purpose of PU is to see if you can control, lead and conquer that chick and
not to get them to like you. You want to take over them in their mind, that
is the game. Chicks and guy's brains work very differently, and speak a
different language when it comes to attraction of the opposite sex. This plan,
speaks that language. In short the translation table is something as follows:

Woman Man
----------------------------------------------------
Trust Hot ass just begging for it
Relaxed and talk Big tits
Honesty Getting it until she screams
Understanding Bending over, and taking it from behind
Honest talk Wild shagging
Communication Fishnet stockings with holes in the right places
Culture and fun Sex and fun

Some examples: here is some normal guyspeak, and how it gets translated to
chickspeak before it comes out of your mouth, if you want to attract and then
arouse the chick, and then finally be able to lay her:

FROM: That is a really hot ass, I would love to do you from behind
TO: It is so important to have deep trust and understanding when you are with
someone you are with. For me, that is what I need first before anything else.
(with kino)

FROM: Fuck those tits are big, I want to put my boner between those
TO: For me, to feel relaxed, and comfortable together, and be able to talk about
anything, that is so desireable, when being with someone who I want to enjoy
spending time with. (with kino)

Make sense? Yes, it seems about as alien as translating English into Chinese, but
it does work, and it WILL get you laid. This is how different guy thinking and
chick thinking are, and why (up to now), there has been so much misunderstanding
by guys, about chick logic, on what makes a woman work and how to nail her. For the
first time ever, with this guide, you now have the translation dictionary, needed
to translate your thinking into chickspeak, so that you can communicate with women
on their level in a way they will understand and react to.. and then nail them!
Using this, they usually never know what hit them! (just "it seems so right and
natural" they usually say after, while their drippy panties are on the floor next
to them after an evening of (unexpected) very hot sex!).

If you get stuck remember:
Guys want: Girls want:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Short skirts To feel special
Sexy legs To be understood
Nice ass To feel connection
Net stockings To feel attractive/sexy
Excitment Excitement
Nice face Guys who are assertive, strong, leader
Big Tits confident, successful

-->Also in openers a good strategy is to make an aggressive statement, but
then follow it up with a very innocuous question. That will soften it, and
allow you to probe more aggressively, than if you had only made the comment
without the followup question. Conversation should always be that way, at
least initially.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

Format of reading this:
Each left most '-' is a new topic. Indented lines are followups to the same
item. The next leftmost '-' is a new topic.
Everything within left most [xxxx] is a new state transition/section.

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

[Self Affirmations/pre opener]
-everyone wants to meet other people!
-I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!
-I DON'T CARE!
-IT DOESN'T MATTER!
-IT'S NOT MY FAULT!
-LETS DO IT/TRY SOME STUFF OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!
-siren voice come out "all girls are waiting for you!"
-Experiment in psychology
-kanchou (Mr. Smooth, and how he behaves like the 'captain'
-attitude
-this is an experiment
-(you must arrange all places ahead of time (eating/drinking place with
counters (and backups in case they are full), shagging place, where taxis
are, condoms and music ready at home..etc... it is like a Broadway play,
anything that fucks up, and chick will lose state).

[Warmups] (credit: Rock Harders)
-To warm my self when I go into a bar, I can adopt a party host mentality
quite quickly. I walk in and start talking to women right away as if I was
meeting my best friends at a party. For example, I'm in, I would see a girl
wearing item x of clothing, and make a comment on it right away, get her
giggling or flattered then I would say something like have a nice evening
(like a party host would). I act as if I own the place. It's not sarging,
but I do this to warm up and I might do 4 or 5 of these before I get into the
proper approaches

-Must check every chick, do a quick 'game on' test, with 'comfortable/communication/
good feeling' and see what is reaction/ie. basically a quick screen of every chick
to find the game-on ones. Sometimes I assume/don't test a chick... mistake, I missed
(then later recovered) that sometimes after I then saw another guy do the test, and
then I went in..
-Any time a chick makes EC (eye contact), smile or say hi!
-Remember your 'happy bubble' which is all around you!
-Go through affirmations

[Observation of target to create opening line]
-rings (color, big, small, color, pattern)
-where did you get it
-what is your favorite style?
-how many do you have
-do you make any yourself?
-what is your favorite color?
-what do you wear with it?
-what other styles do you like?
-hairstyle/color
-clothes
-you can get in US/korea
-ever travel to there?
-where did you go?
-Europe?
-art/music
-communication/culture differences
-earings (color, big, small, color, pattern, sexy, matches outfit?)
-jewelry
-jacket/coat (looks so elegant!)
-necklace (big small, color, gold, pattern)
-skirt/dress
-long/short dress
-material of her clothes
-what she is reading/holding
-handbag?
-shopping bag?
-her phone
-shoes
-lipstick/makeup (looks great)
-wearing leather
-new age type/punker/elegant type
-dressed casual (you look so natural!)
-dressed up (you look so elegant!)
-wearing studs?
-tatoo
-lots of black?

[Openers - gentle / stealth - no props:
There are so many openers because you are entering in an uncontrolled situation,
idea is to funnel into a controlled one, then the plan gets more specific/narrow.
Usually, openers tend to be questions, as that is only way to keep chick talking.]
-Getting 'primed' in a new social group/situation/people you want to talk to,
but no introduction
-Walk by a couple times, make EC/wave/blink/big eyes, keep going walking
-Walk again, oh, there you are again, then do regular openers
-EC
-EC where you are in rush/going somewhere
-Would you like to see me again (make appt time/place (NO NUMBERS!))
-Wave/hello
-(rainy day), wow the weather is cold/wet/terrible!
-(nice weather after bad weather) wow its a really nice day today/finally, isn't it
-Where is xxx/Starbucks
-I am not sure, do you have a few minutes, can you take me there?
-This place is full, can I sit here
-Is anyone using this (next to her empty) table?
(go RIGHT THEN to next opener, keep eye contact, so dont get uncomfortable
blank period). Do even if place not full... probably she won't notice that fact.
-Do you speak English?
-(Fake phone conversation opener, sitting next to chick, be loud, remark where you
are, next to two cute girls)
-will be late (from phone convo)
-where is xxx (from phone convo)
-(remark to girls about the phone convo, open the girls)
-Excuse me
-Smile/grin (Mr. Lager style)
-Stare at her (followed by a Mr. Lager smile/grin)
-my niece has a scarf/hat/jewelry/haircolor just like that! can I see?!
-Which of these (point to two items) do you think looks better?
-you know, your style is so cool!
-your hair, it is so soft (touch it)
-and your skin, so gentle (rub ear?)
-do you like it to be touched?
-That dress is really unusual (mare(na))
-My coworker has a very similar one
-Where is a good place to get it/did you get it?
-That xxx/ring/neckless is so beautiful/unusual,
-where did you get it
-by who
-why you like it so much? (give all attention to it, and not the chick herself)
..ie. nanpa the jewelry, not her..)
-how often do you go there?
-That is a big bag, my sister has one, where did you get it?
-It looks so unusual
-Where did you buy it?
-What is in your bag?
-What is your favorite color?
-That is a nice dress
-it looks so unusual/stylish
-my sister has one like it
-What is your favorite style, color?
-Where do you usually go shopping?
-Why do you like that store?
-How often do you go?
-what do you usually buy?
-depending on the price? what size?
-(standing by her, looking at her book) Where did you learn to read English?
-Did you live overseas?
-How long did you stay?
-Do you mind if I sit down
-(then continue talking lines from this plan)
-(read her cup/something brand/book she has)
-What is that? (what you read)/are you drinking?
-Where did you get it/what does it taste like?
-Is it your favorite?
-What else do you recommend?
-to go to shiba koen/xxxx, how long it takes
-easy to go? 15 minutes
c: explains way to go
-Do you have a light (if you/friend smokes)
-So what are you doing out here today?/did you do today out here?
-What drink/tea is that?
-Do you know how to send an email on this phone?
-I'm lost! Where is xxxx?!
-Can you take me/us there?
-tell me, do you happen to do fashion designer/do yoga? you look like the
type who does, you have that energy about you
-its unusual to meet this way, so I want to find more about you
-what are you doing now?/reading/going?
-You must be/are you a dancer/from Spain, an artist
-just a moment, she (to wing/to target's friend) you look like whiteney houston!
-sit next to girl: what do you think about xxxx (westminster abbey)
-forgive the interuption as you are doing xxxx (reading relaxation book), but I'm
curious about something... Do you happen to yyyy (yoga), or zzzz (meditation)
She says yes or no. If she says no, I add: well, you look like the type who does,
bc... you have great energy and I just had to tell you.

[Openers - gentle/stealth - props/situation:
Usually, openers are questions (only way to have conversation work at start)]
-What are you reading?
c: Marie Claire
-That sounds expensive
-In the states, that is only 400yen
-Have you ever been to the USA
-Where else have you been?
-Which of these pictures do you like more?
-What do you feel when you see this picture?
-you look very interested in that book, what are you reading?
-so tell me what is interesting about it?
-What do you like about NY? (she has book on NYC)
-Why not LA?
c:NY is stylish
-So what do you like L.V., or Prada?
c: LV
-Then you should go to France
c:sou kana
-you never been to Europe?
-you must like shopping
-what brand?
-What is the good point of that brand?
-c: (reading a food magazine)
-So do you like French/Italian (whatever page she is on) restaurants?
-I dont know about Italian/French Restaurants, of these, which is good?
c: looks for new, unusual restaurant
-Do you know restaurant in Shibuya which is good?
c: no {whenever chick does a straight no, use a joke next to open her up}
-You ever been to Shibuya? {with smile/laughing/surprise expression}
c:yes! {laugh}
-doko/where?
c:109
-What is 109?
-Which you think tastes better, the xxxx (Ice tea), or (yyyy) Herbal tea?
-What other flavors here are good?
-What did you do here today?
-That scarf/dress is very unusual, where did you get it?
-you look like you are going on a trip/where are you going?
c: am going to nepal
-really, nepal, my classmate is going there, I heard it is so beautiful,
-what are you doing now
-can you tell me more about it
-where is a good place to go?
-(reading TC) You know.. I am wondering,.. xxxx (which of these girls you
think is nice)?
-why do you like her?
-what type of guy you like?
-what is your BF like?
-'hmmm, can you suggest some good classical music bc I need some really good
stuff to listen to tonight'
-This led into some fluff about classical music, I discover shes a damn good
violinist and i talk about paganni etudes and caprices, and I talk about
playing violin music on the piano. She shows me some good music so I take
the CDs, and a little more fluff about music and about herself (3 minutes).
-(reading textbook) what is this kanji {this is lame}
-Do you believe in ESP? (need prop, like book on it first)
-Ghosts in the Thai office story.
-Do you believe in Spells? (need prop, like book on it first)
-Night in the graveyard story.
-you are putting on lots of makeup, what is special today?
-Hey look at that lamer trying to pick up those 2 chicks, isn't that funny
-Go into Iranian from hell story
-(in coffeeshop/on train reading book) it says here that xxxx (guys in HK are
nice to girls because too few)..
-what do you think?

[Openers - aggressive / with wing / young chicks:
Do a few from this list to keep conversation going]
-kawaii
-Japanese for busy people opener (with 5 questions homework, are you Japanese,
where do you live, what is your hobby?..etc)
-if two set, "did anyone ever tell her she is so beautiful?", ask her friend
-the palm reading handshake (shake hands, put your free hand round her wrist
then upturn her palm into palm position, then rub her soft hands and fingers
and say, 'hmm, fascinating.' while rubbing more and more. Follow on with 'I
have an intuition about you. You are xxxx (passionate and sexy) because you
are xxxx (so open minded and energetic).'
-what is your email?
-did anyone ever tell you you are so beautiful?" *kiddingly in the siren
voice* (if nice answer, then tell her, if bitch, tell her "no one ever will!
I wonder why!)
-Your fashion/dress/hairstyle/shoes/legs/face/smile/walk/dance is great
-where did you get that skirt/sweater/boots
-I like stylish fashion
-what is your favorite color
-how often you shop there?
-You are pretty and very sexy and I want to see you again (HBILikeSexy train opener..very direct)
-he ask for number, and then when got it, ask to see her right now to go somewhere
-sugoi (that) xxxx (scarf, hair..etc), where did you get that?
-you have a really nice smile
-I would be so honored that I can shake your hand/you kiss me? (CK) (as club
/izakaya/restaurant opener)
-Wait to see if she will do real KC, if not, then gesture a CK.
(might be bad if she KC so easily, like Smooth's girl's friend.. then gets frozen)
-Probably all of your friends tell you this, but it/you are so cool/cheerful/stylish.'
-It shows you have alot of energy/cheerfulness/taste
-where did you get it?
-Oh really, I thought it was from someplace exotic, like India
-Did you ever go to India? (=fact)
-Where did you go? (=fact)
-Where would you like to go? (=feeling)
-Probably all your friends already tell you this.
-xxxx (But you have a really nice smile)
-yyyy (it shows you have a lot of positive energy).
-Maybe you are told every day, no? [giggle], when you go work, home, sit next to the
guy on the bus and they say xxxx (you have a nice smile) about you.
-What is the occaission tonight (you are so dressed up)
-Where are you going?
-Did you ever go there?
-What is interesting/unusual about that place?
-I had to say that you have a so incredibly xxxx (sounding voice).
-I heard that someone who is xx, is also very yyy
-I read somewhere that a person with an exceptional voice, is also very intelligent
as well
-I want you to do a favor for me,
-I want you to imagine that you are in a field, all by yourself (Str.fld, 4q, cube)
-can you do that for me? (continue the 4q game, or whatever from here)
-so, why did you come here tonight
-Did you go here before?
-How often do you come here?
-What places you like to go?
-Why is that place good?
-How is your evening so far?
-(To girl dancing with friend.. get in front)
-hello, I like you, do you like me? lets be friends

[openers that work only with wings who are funny/laughing]
-What do you think about my friend's hairstyle?
-Does he look better with punky, or straight hair?
-(comment to your wing, about target, loud enough so she hears and reacts)
-Wow, check out her xxxx (hair/skirt/sunglasses..), isn't that wild?!
-(She will likely turn her eyes to you when she realizes you are talking about her,
then go, 'so tell me about that xxxx', I am curious about it now)
-Wow (but very friendly if day, silly if night/out)
-(dump stuff/glasses..etc on the floor, ask for help)
-leap in front of her!
-just a moment (hand in police stop signal)
-hey, what do you think about my xxxx (wierd ring, I got today/necklace..
get this kind of gimmick before you go to club)
-please talk to us/me - lets talk
-please stop

[anti-stalls/fluff runners (no wing/non sexual):
Keep the conversation going after the initial openers]
-(kino)
you want to get out of this step, and into the ones below ASAP!]
-Any english?
-where did you study?
-how long?
-you are very good!
-I am surprised, you seem like a kind/gentle person
-What kind of person do your friends say you are?
-Did you ever go abroad?
-Where did you go? (=fact)
-What did you see (=fact)
-Where would you like to go? (=feeling)
-You ever go to NYC/Hawaii
-Would you like to go?
-What do you want to see? (museums, parks, clubs, shopping, beach?)
-How long does it take you to get to work?
-Is your house far from the station?
-Do you ride your bike, or walk?
-What time do you usually finish work?
-What time do you usually get home from work? (=fact)
-How long have you been doing your job? (=fact)
-You think about quitting your job (=feeling)
-What do you usually do when you finish work
-What do you do on a day you are not working?
-Is your work/study busy?
-How do you relax after a really hard day of work.
-I take warm bath, new age music, relax
-What kind of music do you like (point/hold my walkman)
-what do you want to become (singer/dancer)?
c:singer
-what is favorite singer?
c:U2
-u2!
-can you sing it!?
-Recently/tomorrow/tonight I saw/will see spiderman (=xxx, something recently,
to open topic)
-what is your favorite movie type (romantic/adventure)
-Movies/actor/actress
-what are you, student?
-what kind of school?
c: fashion design
-what is your favoriate color?
-what kind of materials you like?
-but my skirt, can see a bit, this material;
-Do you come to Shibuya/xxx often?
-What do you think of her? (point to 3rd person around there)
-maybe you look better than her though?
-So you must speak french/english?
-So how long have you been studying?
-xxx, That is so unusual
-Where did you get it?
-What else do/did you get there?
=What places do you recommend?
-lets be friends,
-everyone wants friends
-So you must like xxx (psychology) then.. it expresses differences in culture
-(go to lower parts of plan)
-Do you have brothers and sisters?
-So today you must have xxx (if weekday, work, if weekend 'did laundry')
-(ie. pick something as assumption that is funny, or you think she did)
-you xxxx, wow, can you tell me more about it?
-I have an intuition about you.. you are xxxx ???XLATE INTUITION!
-"it is funny how people communicate".. like if I were to
say to you xxxx (you fall in love with me, attract my voice..
pu)/induction, it would make you feel yyy (like me), wouldnt
it... THIS IS GREAT< CAN INJECT ANYTHING! AT ANY TIME!
-(if two set) So tell me, what is the most interesting thing about your
friend?

[anti-stalls/fluff runners (with laughing wing/sexual/aggressive)]
(this is mostly stuff from the nanpa videos.. I havent tested so much... M.H.)
-(kino)
-its pretty, kawaii
-what is your height?
c:160
-very sexy
-just a moment
-I want to see your hair under the hat
-[take off cap]
-kirei, its so cute!
-very sexy
-one favor, what color is your hair?
-(touch hair)
-That is stylish fashion!
-we are doing interview for / you have stylish fashion
-you know, your style is so cool!
-your hair, it is so soft (touch it)
-and your skin, so gentle (rub ear?)
-do you like it to be touched?
-wow, what fashion, it looks all worn out (jean shorts)
-what is your favorite color/today's color?
-just a moment
-I want to see your hair under the hat
[take off cap]
-kirei, its so cute!
-wow your skin looks so smooth
-nice smell (perfume)
-What is it? (=fact)
-Where did you get it (=fact)
-Why do you like it? (=feeling)
-you smell like cat, it is so nice!
-today, no parttime work?
-she has face like dog! (nice way)
-so honest, and cute
-how many of you in your group
c:18
-so many?
-why they all left, sugoi..
-you two must be wild

-what are you wearing under your coat? [this section is clothes]
-Can you show me?
-your dress looks so nice
-you have bra?
-color?
-black?
-(CK gesture), nice guy
-fashion check, can you show us inside your coats
-just a bit, show us
c: open coats a tiny bit
-just open 3 seconds
c: [opens coats]
-wow, it is so great
-wow!
-what clothes style you like?...
-h question (if shes smiling), tback, or panties)
-fashion interview
-what is underwear color
c:white
-what is your 3 size?
c: xx xx xx (numbers)
-chotto h question, but what color is your panties?
c: chotto.. (cant decide)
-you like lace?
-panties, tback, you ever wear?
-what kind of bra under that dress?
-d cup?
c:secret
-if unbutton your dress, can see everything?
-What is your favorite part of your body?
-panties, tback?

-So what kind of guy is your BF like/Do you have a BF? [this section is guys/sexlife]
-when is the wedding?
-When did you break up with your BF?
-when was last time you did H
c: 4 months
-kawaisou..
-Maybe this is an unusual question, but how often each week did H
c: 3 times
-did you come
c: no
-kawaisou
-lets ask an h thing. how many times you make love / week
-10!
-how many boys? bfs?
-2? 3?
c: 2
-she is player
-when was last sex? yesterday?
-[giggle]
c: don't know
-besides your bf, did you ever fuck?
-no bf?
c:no
-hate guys?
c:hate
-I like girls
-no bf since xxx, taihen, no sex since xxx!
-(bow)
-let me ask h question, when you have BF, how many times you make love/week?
-Look, today you are wearing such short skirt [this section is action section]
when you go into the place
-dont you raise it up a little bit?
-We want to see your bra/panties, can you show us?
-hide face, 2 3 seconds, then finish
-go to private place a bit
c: dame
-2 3 seconds only
-one more thing, if its ok, one more favor
-xxxx bj (money)
-30 seconds only
-by mouth, get xxxx (money)
-just 30 seconds
-if bad ok, but it is cool
-you were very good, so go to studio/home/out/hotel, do sex
-but until now, did, so just a little bit more, widen a bit more
todays day
-just a little bit you have to do
c: really, only a little bit?
-yes, only a little bit
c: really, honto ni? doshoyo?
(bow)
-if yada, its ok, that can happen, done worry, you dont need to stay
(she doesnt decide, they take her)

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[get facts/screens/tests (get neccesary info on chick you never met before
not stable time situation yet.. get time to leave/next meeting test) - use
Kino!]
-Where are you going now? (on train, in street..etc)
-I am going to xxxx (after she answers, so you can control when you exit,
ie..after her)
-Do you work around here? (=see why she is here, house/office nearby?)
-My friend will come in 25 minutes, you seem nice, do you have 15 minutes to talk?
-Why did you come here today (=what are your interests?)
-What is your plan after this/tonight? (=does she have to leave soon?)
-I am meeting my friend in 20 minutes (check your phone)
-(if its going well, you can 'receive his message' that he is not coming and
continue PU, or bail in 20 minutes
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---->Made appt with chick and now she is in beer food pub/Izakaya sitting next
to you at a counter with you...start here!--------
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-What did you do today? (=what are your interests?)
-what time do you start tommorow (=see if you can get her back tonight!)
-what is job/where (=logistics for setting up lay tonight/next time)
-what area do you live (=logistics for setting up lay tonight/next time)
-your mom give you nice food and laundry each day? (=you live alone?)
-What are you doing here today/after this? (=does she have to leave soon?)
-Do you like beer, wine?
-how old are you, may I ask? (=only if you suspect underage, to get rid of her)
-Do you like to go out to restaurants, cofeeshops, or stay home?
-your voice/eyes/hair/style is pretty, what does your BF think? (=do you have BF)
-What do you do in your spare time?
-Do you do art, dance, movies, singing? (=test for 'communication' pattern below)

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

-office fight at work today [link to things that happened now]
-People want to understand each other, like guys and girls..its so hard, so
few men understand a lady, because they have to xxx,yyy,zzz
-Today/tomorrow I will go see art show/play/dance
-art/play/dance is communication
-I am meeting my friend tonight/tomorrow, he caught his GF with another guy
(go to straight to section of me -vis-a-vis a girl/demonstrate personality)
-Are you picky for clothes/bags/hairstyle
-How about guys
-Me too, hard to find good qualities, me, I look for someone who is...
-How about you, what do you look for?
-Grandfather/coworker who needs to relax
-Relaxation is important
-Understanding of other people is important
-Today a french guy came to the office from france branch
-Do you know that french is somehow more understanding language than english,
and better for expressing feelings
-language is communication, EC, body language
-stories about how I am attractive/women attack me (social proof) (link to me)
-(transition to demonstrate personality)
-went to brazil/SP story/cultural differences
-HB Blitz jealous story

-Do you have foreign friends? [Link to something persistant about her/me/environment]
-How are they different from Japanese?
(go to section of understanding/communication)
-That is nice hair/smile
-You are probably popular with the guys/get lots of attention
-So what is your guy life like?
-You have a BF?
-What kind of guy do you like?
-What parts of your job is creative?
-creativity is a way to communicate with other people.. it is like art
(go to demonstrate self personality section)
-What is important to you when doing adventure/romance with someone?
(go to demonstrate personality section of this plan)
-eyes are so warm (what does your BF/husband think?)
-Would you say you are adventurous or romantic type?
-Did you live overseas?/where/what did you notice?
-(go to section on different cultures/understanding each other)
-Do you like art?, it is way to express/share natural feeling/each other
-(transition to demonstrate personality)
-ideal actress/girl/guy
(move on to demonstrate personality from here, acting is communication)
-pretty girl (girls like this attention)
-Do you like it when someone says you are pretty/how do you feel?
(go to section on personality vis-a-vis a woman)
-Maybe you want to be independent and strong minded (though most chicks aren't anyways
in reality)
-It is good, because the qualities I look for in a woman are: (play back her
desired qualities in herself/ideal woman)
-Here maybe is a difficult question. Maybe next thing, hard to say
-Did you ever xxxx?
-The reason I ask, is because if you did do, I am curious about
how it made you feel, both during an after? / because people who
xxxx are also very yyyy.
c: yes/no
-If you didn't do xxxx, would you? What would you feel if you did?
-What color are your panties (only do if you are with a wing and laughing alot)
-Under that is only bra?
-(Transition to aggressive vis-a-vis a woman's sexuality section below)
-How you feel when you see this (picture)?
-(transition to demonstrate personality)

-Can you dance? [sexually aggressive transitions]
-Would you dance in that samba parade every year?
-Wear t-back and nice feathers and decoration, you have confidence for that?
-you ever dress a bit sexy, embarrassed about your appearance/confident?
-Do you have bed in your house or futon (I had in japan house)
-But I prefer bed, because it makes my knees hurt when I am with a girl, can
you imagine?
-Do you like long or short hair?
-I like short, because long, when you are with a girl, it will get stuck (during
sex), and hurt, but short, it never gets in the way.

[get feelings/screens/tests]
-You ever date a foriegn/blond/black/white/asian guy?
-How was it different?
-Do you like to kiss/kissing/touch/touching/hold hands
-Maybe because it makes you feel safe
-How big are your hands, lets see..
-what is most attractive/favorite part of your body you think? (what your bf say?)
-What part about yourself (character, body) do you like most? least? (=LSE test)
-if could do anything in 5 years, which?
-do you feel comfortable around me?
-which type of person do you think you are more, elegant or sexy?
-which you want to be? why?
-do you believe in magic?, speels, esp? (hypno voice)
-you are pretty, how many BF's you have? (say in joking way)
-Do you look for a BF/nice guy/friend?
-Do you think love is dangerous or attractive?
-If could redo life, what would you do? (link her not fucking, to her last screwup!)
-(stare at her bottom to top), Can you say what is your favorite part of your body?
-I am curious, (if she stalls: "maybe your smile, legs, hair") {mix nonsexuals with sexuals}
-if there were two you's what would the other one do? (stay with BF, be wild?)
-what is your ideal guy like?
-Which is important to you in a relationship, sex or romance?
-Do you have a BF
-[opener] Are you looking for a guy/friend tonight?
-Would you like to kiss me (after 3 + signs.. hair ruffle, smile, reverse kino, laughing)
-Why you are here tonight? [bad? she will always answer 'to dance']
-Are you looking to meet people tonight
-How do you feel when you meet new people?
-Strawberry fields (if you stall/reaction bad.. go to this!)
-If you could meet.. What kind of guy do you like?
c: I want just dance/be with my friend/just a friend
-I am looking for girl/GF, shall we try?
-(talking about kissing/holding hands..etc) shall we try?
-do you think you are the right girl for me?
-expand your world/horizon/limit
-So what kind of guy is your BF like?
-Can I ask, maybe deep question, but do you love yourself (=LSE test)
-c:yes: that is good because for others to love you, you must love yourself
-c:no: (change tact): you are scum so you need me and should fuck me, becauase that is what
scum cheap girls like you do (in SM voice), you deserve to get fucked cheaply because you
are cheap scum.. (that is the idea anyways.. will try it on my next LSE girl)
-what is your type of guy?/important in a guy?
-Did/would you ever xxx. The reason I ask is that a book/crazy
psych teacher.. said that people who are interested in xxxx (sm, 3p,
fucking on first date..) tend to be very yyyy (emotional, open minded,
successful, attractive, confident..) (idea is when asking an outlandish question
is to tie the reason for it to an emotion).
-ex GF who was kinky
-You look very pretty, were you ever hostess?
-If you could be very elegant or sexy dancer for one night, do you do it/what would it
feel like?

[anti-stalls/fluff runners - if you have met the chick once already and are
getting restarted with her this time]
-so what did you learn about/discover about me from last time?
-so what did you tell your friends about me snice last time?
-did you miss me?
-how much?
-so what did you dream last night?
-Maybe you dream about me?
-I bet you dreamed of me every night!
-pay attention to me..
-humm.. i work very hard just for you!
-(chick going to bathroom)
-have fun!
-did you have a good time?
-are you comfortable?
-I am curious, what about me is it that you find interesting?
-ok ask me something!
-many things to know is big, but brain is small.
-how I learn kanji, just each day they smile at me, and I learn them!
-wow, such big smile, what happen?
-I like you but I don't really know you very well
-I like you but I think you are too tall/a bit old for me.
-Maybe I have to protect my self from you!

[embarrass/flatter/make her smile - if dumb/young chick, you can be very
aggressive with this]
-you are pretty (joking way) - maybe I need to protect myself from you
-Good morning (or worse, hello) (as friend, using Mr. Smooth voice)
-you are so full of energy I would be honored to shake your hand!
-your hair/eyes is really beautiful
-you english is very good, I am SO impressed (laugh and kino her!)
-Japanese is zenzen.. kodomo.
-That bag/neckless/dress/top looks very nice on you and matches your
top/dress/neckless/bag well, you look SO very nice in/with it.
-you should make your skirt shorter (as joke if it is already so short)
-you have such a beautiful voice, it is so smooth and relaxing
-maybe you have alot of attention from guys? (smile) - maybe I need to protect myself
-sfields
-do you smile with every nice guy like you do to me?
-do you always laugh with everyone/every nice guy like that?
-you are pretty, maybe all your BF's say you are sexy!?
-you step in room, and all guys start to come to you!
-are you nice girl? - should I protect myself from you (gesture with defensive hands)?
-maybe you are too nice/(sexy) for me!
-sometimes a little bit bad can be fun too!
-Maybe your friends/coworkers tell you xxxx (you are pretty) all the time.
-Did anyone ever tell you your (hair/style/clothes) are so cute/sexy/attractive?
-handsome guy just sat next to you (when sit next to her again), what do you do?
-Hello, what is your name (after you already met her once)
-maybe i have to protect myself from you, (such attractive/nice/sexy girl)
-Oh, what a beautiful girl (kino, alot!) (after you already met her once)
c: xxx question
-maybe!? (smile face, eyes look up and right)
-I am sure all the guys bow to you, such beatufiul girl?
-everyone is always looking at you, giving you too much attention!
-I have to protect my self from such beautiful/horny girl like you!
-good style like that, all your friends get jealous to you!
-good looks like that, all the guys follow you everywhere!
c:I have a bf
-pretty girl like you, of course you must have 5 bfs!
-but I want to know more about you, so lets not talk about that
-so how many BF you have? (might be bad.. dont bring it up unless she does?)

[demonstrate personality about myself]
-you never know what can happen, that is what makes life so interesting and mysterious
-communication at many levels/dance/art is communication/talk only 10%
-I want understanding
-I like to feel comfortable
-I like natural way
-I am not like other guys.. natural
-I am valuable guy
-Just I want to have a good feeling / feel good
-just be kind to everyone, and naturally, good things can happen, it is my way
-When I see someone/something, just I follow my heart
-I am looking for a warm heart
-I am looking for understanding of each other
-people have trouble to get along, most guys never understand what is really important to others,
because the guy has to xxx,yyy and other person has to xxx,yyy (listen, feel, open mind/heart)
-it is important to want to explore and discover new things, about yourself, and others
-must do what feels right, and people trust you - company fight, everyone follow me
-levels of mind
-are you creative? (c:no)
-but everyone can be creative (c: ok)
-you have a very vivid imagination, and you love imagining things, but maybe you dont
express them, unlike creative people who do (rephrase all her values)
-talk about how everyone is creative
-like.. maybe each day as you do normal things like laundry, but you imagine if you
could be on the beach.. ... etc..mind has many levels
-sharing is important, it is way to understand each other
-Goal is to disover new things (together)
-just I want to feel comfortable, and relaxed
-everyone needs an oasis/place to escape
-maybe you like the smooth pace of my voice..
-trust is important, closeness, natural feeling is important
-And of course, we really have to love everyone and serve everyone in this life.
-I am not easy guy
-It is important to be kind, because I found that if I am kind, everyone will
be kind to me back, and and take care of me when times are hard. That is what
real trust is about.
-Must respect others
-I hate selfish people who want only attention to themselves, because just
then they end up alone because people can see their selfishness. It is not a
good way.
-I went to high school reunion, and had the most interesting life of all my
classmates
-I think, choose direction.. and GO. It is my way.
-(Never talk about 'relationship', (maybe she wants a ONS). Just talk about
'understanding, because every woman wants that!)
-I am looking for special/pretty/sexy/nice/relaxing girl tonight, I am picky

[demonstrate personality vis-a-vis me and a woman (nonsexually) - once you have run a few
lines of section above and reaction is good, start introducing lines from sections below]
-people have trouble to get along, most guys never understand what is really important to lady,
because the guy has to xxx,yyy and woman has to xxx,yyy (listen, feel, open mind/heart)
-When I see someone, just I know if she is right or not, naturally
-hard to find the right guy/hard to find the right girl too
-I have 3 qualities I look for in woman
-I am valuable guy, interesting, fun, physical shape, so my expectation is high
-I expect together to be comfortable, natural, and good feelings to each other
-ow (our world)
-It is important to respect each others limits, as well as understand each other well
-I want understanding of each other
-understanding is most important, comfort, communication
-Just I want to share our feeling with each other
-Only I want to relax and feel comfortable with each other
-I am searching for my special partner
-I want someone I can feel natural/share feeling/kinochi
-Men and women often have a hard time to understand each other, because each does
not know what is important to the other
-do you like a man who really knows how to treat a lady and can really
appreciate a woman?
-A man must pay attention to a chick, not only intimately, but also
emotionally, spirutually
-That is the man's job, to look after women in all these ways.
-It is the mans job to create a safe environment for all women, so that
they can feel comfortable, and free around me.
-I am picky guy, and will choose woman who is right for me
-Most men pay only attention to themself. But a good man will pay attention to the
woman completely, in mind (and body).
-sp story
-4q
-I am very open minded person, so you can say/ask anything
-ex bi gf
-I expect girl to take chance
-ic
-l vs -a
-People want to feel close to each other, not only by talk, but also by touch
-fascination
-ideal guy/girl
-I dont like fixed rules, just go the natural way, how you feel (ie. no 'the rules')
-Just it feels comfortable, nice to feel comfortable, make each other relax, feel safe and
comfortable
-by discovering things about each other, it helps me to learn/discover new things about
myself. That is why it is so important
-mans job is to deliver/make woman feel good, like at work..to deliver
-just has to be the right guy.. same for me with women
-not many guys can please a woman not only physically, but emotionnally too
-I understand that.. not many guys do..my Ex's always told me that.., so I am never dumped
-I dont respect (rules) girl, who says 'kiss on date 2, sex on date 5'.. just have to
follow natural way.. if faster ok, and if slower, ok, or just end up friends, or something
more.. just follow what is natural, is the best way. Otherwise, to want something, but
not follow, is disrespecting me (and herself).
-I want woman to be interested in me, and not because I have nice job. Because
in long term, physical beauty of the woman may fade, and I may lose my job.
So something deeper, like character, or connection, is far more important.
-I am dancer, and good guy, so just for sex, it is very easy to get any girl, so maybe I
am selfish, but I expect more than that.. just being cute is not enough for me, that is
everywhere, and I am past that now.
-I am expensive/picky guy, not so easy..I am 30YO, if I was 17, then I want to get as many girls
as possible maybe. I had those experiences. But soon it just gets boring, because there
is nothing deep as a connection or understanding, because that girl has no experiences
at all for life. So I want more. So if that is all you want, then 17yo guy is good for you,
because I want understanding and deeper things than those silly guys. Can you understand
what I mean?
-you dont know me at all (mysterious, attractive)
-I like women who follow their heart/natural way
-At my age, chicks want stability, money, so I need to protect myself.
-I want chick who wants me for who I am, not what I have.
-What if I lose my job and money tomorrow... sabishii.
-So I don't need that kind of girl.
-I hope I dont disappoint you with my thinking.
-If you want that, then I don't need it (turn away from he with my beer)
-Lead man, follow man or get out of way.. I dont respect non-chance takers who want somthing,
but arent willing to make the effort or chance to achieve/get it.
-I am not stupid roppongi guy, not like those stupid guys. I want to know people,
culture, so I make extra effort, but I have higher expectations too regarding understanding
each other when I am with someone.
-when a girl meet me, she gets fun, excitment adventure and passion.. I am confident
-I dont choose any/every girl, only one I can feel natural, if I cannot feel natural,
then I dont want.. just feel cold.. but if feel natural, and her too, then GO.
-I was never dumped, because I always pay attention to the girl's feelings/pleasure
-(CK chances)
-I am not just type who lives in Hiroo, play in Roppongi and work in Kamiyacho, it is
boring, I want to discover culture and people, so I live in Japanese house/life.
-My Ex(s) said I was best BF they ever had (caring, good man, sexy, attractive, suteki)
-meet girl, is to have exciting/happy together
-sometimes danger, but when really, actually is safe, that is important for me.
-You know the way xxxx (I am/it is/young girls/Ols) are,
always yyyy (touching girls and making them feel excited)
-Rocks & Gold (try not to use this pattern, unless PU not going well)
-not any girl, only one who is special, and very nice for me! (tschivoice)
-Did you ever feel you want to meet some one, that somehow, as you
talk to them more and more, they seem more interesting to you, and you want
to find out more and more about them. And maybe as you listen, you realize
how much you have in common, and want to get to know that person in front of
you more and more. if you could meet someone like that, what would it be like?
-all/some nice girl(s) are waiting for me!
-I want to meet interesting people, expand my world, and you?

[demonstrate personality via dance (or art/painting/singing/talking) - for girls who
can dance, like art, music, can sing.. or can appreciate these things]
-I took these, I am artist/photographer [Rio/NYC pics]
-How does this make you feel when you see this (picture)?
-Dance is a human expression of music, and a way for 2 people to share a unique way of
communication and feelings with each other at a deep level.
-art/singing is just feeling the natural way of expression, it is communication at many levels
between two people, the artist, and viewer/listener
-Dance is a kind of relationship. So the man must pace dance at the level of the woman,
else it feels bad. Even if the guy knows many techniques and skills, if he cannot pace
that to the woman, he is not a good dancer, because ultimately, dance is communication.
-Dance lead should be gentle, for woman who is good to follow, and harder for woman who cannot.
Idea is to communicate at proper level to that woman, and she should look him in the eye,
and communicate back by her touch, and her natural following.
-Dance; some women follow natural, others are more stiff, and follow only themself with their
body. But it doesn't lie, and you can tell far more about a person by how they dance in 1
minute, than by talking with them for 1 hr. (or holding, hands, touching, hugging, also
faster than talking.. that is why it is an important aspect of forming understanding with
each other and is so natural).
-Ie. guydancer, idea is to make the woman look good, not yourself. That is misunderstanding
your job in relationship to the woman.
-Talk is communication, between 2 people, EC, Body language, where looking, tonality.. all
it is important, not only words themselves.. words is only 10%.

[NLP injections]
-sometimes you/everyone feel lonely
-but if you stay with me, it can feel very comfortable/secure and special
-sometimes you/everyone want to feel comfortable and free
-sometimes you/everyone want to feel special
-sometimes you/everyone want to be paid attention to
-sometimes you/everyone want to just relax and forget about all your problems
-sometimes you/everyone want to try something new, expand your world
-sometimes you/everyone want to have a bit of excitement
-sometimes you/everyone does something they don't expect, but are glad they did
-sometimes you/everyone want to escape from daily boring life, just for a while
-sometimes you/everyone want to go to a seperate world
-no one/you don't want to be/feel rejected
-you/everyone is looking for something
-people like attention, to be touched, feel secure (still holding)
-So why do you see me?
c: xxx
-Maybe it is because of yyyy (you like an interesting person who can lead you,
feel comfortable with)
-maybe you cant pay attention to your work because you think of me every minute!
-maybe always you hear and enjoy the sound of my voice!
-maybe you want to kiss a nice guy like me.
-Ok, I let you, but here only (gesture CK)
-Allright, a real one.. (gesture KC, finger on her lips)
-Why dont you spend some time with me, expand your world!
-you keep listening to me, maybe you fall in love with me!
-lets be friends
-having a close friend and trust, it is very important
-can you say a fairy tale
-No, ok, well, lets try.. of course it starts with a castle, and a
princess (gesture to her), and a king (if she has BF), and a
handsome prince (gesture me), who takes the princess out of the
boring castle, to have excitement in the forest around (start with
describe her current situation, and then describe what you want her
to do, as the princess)

[kino tricks]
-What color are your nails (touch hands), do they match your feet?
(touch legs).
-Wow, your skin is so smooth, and size of your fingers (hold hands)
-Your hands, (they look so small! (compare size) )
-how/where do you like to be touched (feel secure, comfortable)?
-you like to be touched like this?
-touch arms
-touch hair (my feeling now is to touch your hair, can I?) (while you already started)
-hold
-hug
-touch hand
-touch face (my feeling now is to touch your face, can I?)
-touch neck back
-gesture a CK
-touch ears/front of neck
-kiss forhead/neck/ears
-breath her neck, forhead, ears
-hold chin, stare down & move in
-touch lips with your finger (does she draw away?)
-KC (can do most of above steps without saying any word (better not to..
..because you won't activate chick brain #1 if you keep your mouth shut and
KC will be much more easy to reach (ie. in dance club))
???insert KC steps from dance night (salsa party)???? from diary to this line????

[demonstrate personality and SOI vis-a-vis a woman's sexuality - if dumb/young chick,
can be very aggressive with this]
-hb blitz bar attack, but have/was with my GF, so rejected her
-I like Japanese/office/career/blond/artist girls because they are very sensual, and warm
-Japanese/office/career/blond/artist girls are excellent lovers because they know how to value
the special intimacy???xlate
-Just I want 'skinship'
-expect progress from next date to next date, don't want to be played either..
-I like romantic/adventurous women
follow natural way, and then it is OK even if you do.. no artificial limits
-I like women who follow their heart/passion/feelings, daiji
-it is obvious women want to be seduced
-it is obvious women want adventure/excitment
-it is obvious women want to feel sexy
-Any woman who goes out with me, will be glad she did
-I dont get sex, we share sex/communiate feeling.. that is point of sex, not just physical
-sex is just way to reach your mind, in itself, sex is nothing, without the mental communication
-I like a woman who is attractive and takes care of herself
-ever have a ONS/sex first meeting, every girl had ONS (ArtBabe pattern), just it is normal
-What makes a woman sexy is not what you show, but what you dont show.. that is very
sensual..
-I never push anyone to do anything they dont want, just hug, its ok., just follow natural
way., just comfortable communication, is all I want
-So do you like guys, what do you like?
-I like pretty girls
-It is important to respect each other after sex
-Sex is good, because sometimes people need to relieve their stress, feel refreshed (by sex)

[Demonstrate personality regarding excitement/adventure, possibly she has BF/husband she wants
to keep]
-live life only 1 time, so need to try something new, expand your world, take a chance
-life is adventure
-You only live one time, so don't want to miss the chance
-it is important to be open minded, and think first, but willing to take chances
-OW
-You are very attractive and sexy girl
-Do you like to feel sexy/attractive
-I really like you, beautiful woman
-For me it is simple, I don't expect so much
-I had a married/girl with BF before, so I understand that. It was nice, because I was
in London, she had husband she loved, but looked for something a little different, to
escape.
So we knew what the expectations were, and we had a very nice time together, because
we understood each other, and what we could expect, just natural understanding of
each other.
-I dont care about your BF/husband, that is your seperate life and is not important
to me at all
-Just when we are with each other, I want us to pay attention to each other (kino)
-When I am with you I will give you all my attention, and I want you to give your all
your attention when you are with me.
-Can you do that for me?
-I am very simple guy, that is all I am asking for
-There is no other expectation than that, just follow natural way and communicate with
each other when we are together.
-Your other world is there, and this world is with us.
-Do you understand me?
-There is alot you don't know about me, I am still maybe somehow very interesting or mysterious
to you.
-But that is good, it is what makes life exciting, and is the spice to add to a normal
day to day life.. it is so exciting, isn't it.
-Maybe you want to find out more about me, or escape from your regular world, and have a
special adventure, share it with me.
-Do you think that you are elegant or sexy
-What if you had the chance to explore that further, would you like that chance?
-Ex gf who was bi, it was such interesting world, but different, so I learned to be open
minded. I learned alot about women, from her
-All my ex's said I was the best guy they ever met.
-Everyone wants to have fun, smile, be happy and just relax and relieve stress.
-Sometimes just it is nice to escape
-It is exciting to do something a bit unusual, or risky that you are usually 'not allowed'
-But then that is what makes it so attractive, isn't it
-You want to feel good, everyone wants to feel good, feel refreshed
-It is human, everyone played/had affair.. if not I can't believe, everyone did,
just it is normal/human
-Maybe you just needed a new and different strange experience.

-Do you like sex? [if it is going well, continue this section, very direct about sex]
-Did you ever come?
-How does it feel when you come?
-You like that don't you?
-It feels good, doesn't it, to feel that pressure in your body, and then it
explodes in excitement and pleasure
-HB physics close
-when was the last time you got excited, tell me about it."
c: (description)
-Of course you obviously want to be excited and that a similar experience might help.
-(jokingly) I would help, it would be fun for me to try, and that if I failed, you
could of course trust me to back down as I had done so many times that
night already.
-But I am completely confident that if you would only let me change the venue/relax
I would excite you without a doubt.
-I mean, how am I going to excite you in this damn playground/coffeeshop/without your
help
-You live close to here, and if we were at your place/if we try I could at least
give you a nice massage and try to get you excited there.
-And that would feel good no matter what the outcome, right?
c: yes
-Yes, you are right.
-(shut the fuck up, grab her and take her to your place)
-(start massage)
-Now, to lead to exitement for both of us I would take off your top and bra
-(take them off, continue massage, get more sexual, fuck

[Out of time closes - new chicks]
::IF OUT OF TIME DURING THIS MP, ATTEMPT FOLLOWING RE-MEET CLOSES
(Need 15 minutes of talk (25 is better) to demonstrate enough personality that
I can meet her again that night/tomorrow. For a phone/email close 20 (30..40 is
better) is required).
-Best is to do all in 1 shot (see if you can get her to stay)
-Do a 1..2 minute routine that will demonstrate personality and SOI..FAST
before forced close (ie. leaving train/friends arriving in 1 minute).
-It is funny, that we can meet like this, talk like this so naturally, it is
so rare to just feel comfortable with someone so quickly and be able to
communicate so well. I don't know you so well yet, but you seem to be a nice
person and maybe I can trust you. Would you like to meet again and talk some
more (about xxx (common thing)).
-But I only want to make arrangements if really you want to see me, so I
will ask you again, do you want to see me?
-you are very pretty and sexy I want to see you again
-(try THEN to get a KC, or at least a CK)
-(Next best is to set next date RIGHT THEN for that night/next day
-What are you doing tomorrow/next Monday? (=go for close NOW, no phone/mail shit)
-I want to talk with you more, what day is free for you
-xxx time/place
-See you then.
-(Next best is email/phone (chances are very dwindled at this point!, use mail for next appt,
phone is too high chance to get her at wrong time, or look like stalker trying to reach her)
-(Want to close with something in common
-(Before close, some joke about how she is woman/attractive/interesting/comfortable/relaxing
(the SOI basically)
-please come with me to xxxx (that coffee shop/ my place) and we talk about 20 minutes
-We should stop standing here, and go sit down at the xxx coffee/family restaurant
that is down there (point) and talk some more
-How do we meet again?
-Exchange number (not important, just do it for next step)
-When are we going to meet (see TPUA hairchick lay report (she gave number,
so presupposition that she will meet you is now made)
-what is your free day?
-shall we meet at my place, or xxx Restaurant? (another presupposition)
-What time/meeting place
-Listen, you seem really cool, and I would love to hang out with
you sometime and BE FRIENDS".
-What are you doing tomorrow/tonight?
-I need to buy some shirts, why don't you come with me (mystery style)
::END IF

[move in closer/accelerate]
-you seem very warm/passionate/creative, I can see it in your eyes
-you are so beautiful
-you look so sexy
-try something new, expand your world!
-sometimes, someone/something mysterious can (feel a little dangerous) be very attractive
-Maybe it is fate.. because we seem to share so much in common. It is my first time.
But it is always best to follow fate, and what naturally follows from it.. 1 bn ppl..
it is more than chance, so must take it.
-you are so comfortable to spend time with, I can feel so natural and relaxed somehow
-you are cute like cat (then move to head/neck/ear kino)
-somehow we feel so comfortable around each other
-maybe you are too nice girl for me?
-can I trust you
-your hair is very gentle (touch it, along with neck)
-do you like it when I touch you?
-you are very pretty and sexy, pretty, really (honto ni), cannot believe
-you might ask me why I like you/want to see you.. because you are warm, and
comfortable to spend time with
-can I trust you?
-I want you to trust me, I want you to do that for me..
-I want you to follow me
-did anyone ever tell you you are so beautiful?
-it gets more fun/interesting/exciting if you hang around me, you will enjoy, I am sure
-if you have sex with a guy you really like, but is a bit mysterious how does it feel?
(she should say yes), Maybe you feel connection, exciting, physical pleasure, which one is
most?

[tests to see if interest]
-are you happy to see me tonight?
-maybe I can trust you? (see her reaction to saying this)
-if you met great guy, do you take chance with him?
-you ever feel alone?
-Do you take a chance with me?
-Can I take a chance with you?
-did you ever xxx (kiss a guy on first evening).
-Just it is natural, because just it feels right.
Maybe the reason is because people who are/do xxx
(KC/open mind right away) tend to be very yyyy (passionate/trustable).
-I cannot let you kiss me, I hardly know you (can I trust you?)
-OK I try (a CK gesture)
-A real one (KC touch her lips with finger gesture)
-do you like to be touched? (like this (leg), or like this? (neck) )
-do you like to be held/hugged?
-what did you learn about me tonight (see what she says)
-it is my feeling, I would like to touch your hair/face/neck/lips, is it ok? (J.I. did this to me)
-you said you are excitment/adventure type, lets see if it is true, lets try a little
adventure.. do you like (kino, touch neck) this?, (gesture for CK).
-do you want to kiss me?
-you want to spend time with me?
-My feeling is I would like to hug/hold you
-I would like to feel closer to each other
-I would like to feel to know each other more deeply
-unusual to meet like this, but somehow we feel so comfortable, it is very unusual/strange/nice
-you seem to be very unusual, very special, and attractive
-unusual how we can get to know each other so naturally, and feel so comfortable
-1bn ppl pattern
-everyone wants a bit of excitement? I dont know if it will be long term romance, but if you let me change
venue, we can try and in any case I am sure I can give you excitment. and at worst case, you will have
gotten good massage in safe trusting environment with no pressure. (be persistant, and loop around
this plan coming back to here if at first fail!)
-(IF RESISTANCE:) I want you to really take a chance with me, I guarantee, you wont regret,
just I want you to trust me. (and loop with above),
-I am valuable/expensive guy, are you valuable girl? good enought for me?
IF INTEREST (ie. enough yeses to more than 1 question in this section), THEN EXIT LOOP

[kc/close - get at least 3 of these to work]
-do you like me : KC
-touch neck/ears, kiss them, then KC
-I would like to get to know you more, I want you become closer to each other, can you follow me?: KC
-I can only bring you if I can trust you, can I trust you? :KC
-So do you like me?
-Lets go for a walk/go
-I am hungry/tired/smoky/lets go for a walk/eat/coffee/dance/show pictures/draw/spend time together now, (then to
home asap after that) (BE PERSISTANT!)
-dance/art is my way to express, I want to dance one dance/share art with you, right now that is my feeling, and
what I want to share so much. Just 20 minutes, then leave, I am relaxing comfortable guy, I think I can trust you.
-(As long as the body is not saying no, IGNORE THE MOUTH AND KEEP PUSHING!)
-I have never kised a xxx (garlic girl, bug), I want to
-shall we try.. (gesture/take chin)
-You never kissed a french guy/xxx
-shall we try (gesture, take chin)
-I want you

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

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EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

[Statement of Intent / Expectations - handling slow chicks/indecisive chicks/bullshit]
-(Try to feel up/KC, but not getting anywhere)
-(kink action to be ok due to enivornmental factor (Folgers in TG)
-Usually of course you dont do this, but here in this environment, we can relax, so it is OK/acceptable
..when the chick is doing like HBsexyMadam, warm, good EC, but not much sexual/reverse kino going on/KC/CK/a bit
sexual (legs..etc) touching major resistance/roadblocks]
-Rocks and Gold story
-Sex and intimacy is part of any healthy relationship. I expect a woman to understand
that and act accordingly, or her existance in my life will soon finish/is very short/
is at risk/will soon cease to exist.
-I have no intent on being any lady's girlfriend.
-No good guy is going to wait around a woman who is indecisive, or doesn't take the chance
when it is given to her
-I expect progress from meeting to meeting
-I expect that sex/intimacy will happen after we spend some time to know each other,
but I don't tolerate indecisive women.
-I get to know you, you get to know me, and then we decide to take a chance to start
a relationship. That is the way it works.
-I have no intention to wait 6 months while you 'get to know me' before deciding to
start a relationship.
-That is the same as if I were to tell you to have sex with me for 6 months so I can
decide if we have a relationship, and then we can go to dinner/walks..etc. of course
it is ridiculous.. well so is the above, and no good man is going to accept that,
just it is selfish..
-When was last time you had sex? (note, she might lie in her answer)
-Should just say sex is normal part of human expression, so need to accept that as OK
-Anyone who doesnn't of course is liar
-I want respect when I am with a lady, I want her to feel free to express herself completely with me.
-I want you to do that with me.
-Do you respect me, I want you to show that for me, now take a chance
-It is normal for people to enjoy touching, holding, EC, as it is also communication.
-If you try, I am confident that you will enjoy a better time, and it will make me feel more relaxed too
that you are having a good time.
-Of course you want excitement, dont you. So if you relax, I can help you feel more excited and relaxed
-When you take a chance, usually good things happen
-AI movie pattern.. like forever and forever,
-You will get old soon, lose youth soon forever and ever, so must take
chances now, while still can, or they are gone forever.. you are old,
youth is gone
-I don't need any girl who wants to treat me as their girlfriend. I expect more respect than that
-TC girl who didn't understand why I blew her out for being selfish
-Ldn J-girls (both of them) who I blew out for being selfish
-I am valuable too, can get attention from lots of girls.. so I have expectations.
-KC, holding is natural communication, and I expect it, or it means our communication is not honest, and
not complete.
-I don't meet girls again who are cold, or don't show me that they appreciate being around me with their
warmth (and not just talk), just I feel cold
-I am not GF's to women, I don't waste my time with that
-Story of virgin, and try to fuck her, or dump her for disrespect/selfishness
]

[Random things]
(what do to if she starts to run away/ice up/freak out)
-but your doing nothing?
-I am just trying to talk to you, is that so crazy?
-Please just a moment
-no, I dont give emails/phone numbers, we have to meet now, I dont want a relationship
with my answering machine/computer
-stay a moment, dont run away
-we dont have lie face
-lets just try a little
-soon finish, then ok
-I want to sit at the counter, I dont like tables, it reminds me of 'interview style',
but I want relaxed way
c: this is too fast
-I can wait for you, but I cannot commit to only you while I wait (RedCherrySockBabe close)
-So if you want me to wait for you, you need to show me some commitment today, then
I can wait for you (works great when you are going on a real (or imaginary) trip).
-Turn away with your back, and your drink
-"I am going home", gesture to leave (jokingly)
c: I have a BF
-that's great!
-its really great when your with a guy who will really listen and appreciate your
opinions.
-When are you planning to get married?
c: (She changed subject after an errrr.)
-just once, very easy, ok? lets go?
c: (cant decide face)
c: no
-(gently takes her by the shoulder)
c: (cant decide face)
-(nudge her) lets go!
-(chick goes with them)
-not here
c: you're here just to pick up chicks, arent you..
-'to tell you the truth, yes, i did go there to meet people but a pretty face
-isn't enough for me....I actually have three qualities I look for in a woman.....'
-(WHAM, now were both talking about relationships and what we both look for in a
guy/girl)
-no obligation

-we go to top of building/my place/back there where no one see
-easy to go? 15 minutes
-just a moment, dont go
-just 3 seconds / 5 minutes
-please stop
-please talk to me
-but your doing nothing?
-only short time, even leave early, still I buy you coffee
-what time?
-a bit early isnt it?
-{if chick gives excuse you cant evade, repeat unrelated request
(state break), or change topic/ask question, or say 'its my feeling xxxx to yyyy'
c: ok, just a bit
-just a moment 1 minute
-just one minute
-just a short bit of time, then finish
-I wont eat you
-no one will know
-everyone needs an oasis
-lots of girls pay attention to me, but I am expensive guy, so I expect more than
just a cute girl.. that is so empty
-but until now, you did/we talked alot, so just a little bit more, widen a just bit more
todays day/experience
-just a little bit you have to do
-yes, only a little bit
-if yada, its ok, that can happen, done worry, you dont need to stay
-(she doesnt decide, they take her)
-(on way to studio, repeating) just a moment, short time
c: I'm engaged to someone right now/have BF
-Yes, I'm seeing someone else as well (used on psychicbabe!)
-When will you marry him?
-(talk/inquire about troubles in relationship)
-that's ok, I don't replace boyfriends, but they can be forgotten when they're not around
-(I pace) I say 'you can't believe I'm saying these words to you, can you'
-She agrees and says 'Yeah, you're direct and you don't waste time do you?' (now she's
getting calmer)
-Then I go into 'Yes, you're right. Bc most guys in here will fool around and waste
-time and chicken out. I don't have time for that and I don't fool about, I'm not
-interested. Besides, most guys in here (as I gesture away) simply don't have the balls
-to say what I say' she nods.
C:'I'm sorta seeing someone' excuse, so I used
-'hmm, you sound enthusiastic about him'.
-just a couple minutes chat.. can be relaxing/raku, its fun to talk!.. I am not going
to eat you! (well, I will..but dont tell her! hahaha!)
-Just I am like child sometimes, but it is nice.

[Last gasp, nothing is really working, but she is warm, but not sexual at all.]
-Situation: warm, but walls for sexual, still wants to see you.
-After all the above stuf has been tried, attempt the following
-work talk
-I got nanpa from salsa club (social proof/transition), she wanted massage, or maybe
just sex, but then after it is boring/wasting time, but sometimes ok depending my
mood.
-but what is important is how you treat each other after sex
-failed KC...
-you might take a chance, you see me often, but expand your world..
-Demonstrate personality (copmany fight, new job/appt/success in saving corp money)
-Excitement as teenager
-Kino/hold hand (as teenager)
-Massage talk
-KC, try? (as teenager)
-HB physics close (change venue, like excitment)
-happy to just be other woman.. you are free, try something new
-spend private time together
-castle fairytale
-succeed or bail
-Just I want 'skinship'
-expect progress from next date to next date, don't want to be played either..
-or just I get another woman
-chick who always tried to change date (london j-girl), at last minute, so I
dumped her.. lots of pretty girls around, I respect myself.
-I like romantic/adventurous women
follow natural way, and then it is OK even if you do.. no artificial limits
-I like women who follow their heart/passion/feelings, daiji
-I like a woman who/it is obvious women want to be seduced
-I like a woman who/it is obvious women want adventure/excitment
-I like a woman who/it is obvious women want to feel sexy
-It is important to respect each other after sex
-Sex is good, because sometimes people need to relieve their stress, feel refreshed!
-can you do me a favor, take a chance with me, touch my belly.. change venue
-my ex's said I was best guy they ever met
-what you do when you meet nice guy
-I give massage, passion, heat, special time and connection
-Do you like sex? [if it is going well, continue this section, very direct about se!
-Did you ever come?
-How does it feel when you come?
-You like that don't you?
-It feels good, doesn't it, to feel that pressure in your body, and then it
explodes in excitement and pleasure
-HB physics close (credit: TPUA)
-when was the last time you got excited, tell me about it."
c: (description)
-Of course you obviously want to be excited and that a similar experience might h!
-(jokingly) I would help, it would be fun for me to try, and that if I failed, you
could of course trust me to back down as I had done so many times that
night already.
-But I am completely confident that if you would only let me change the venue/rel!
I would excite you without a doubt.
-I mean, how am I going to excite you in this damn playground/coffeeshop/without !
help
-You live close to here, and if we were at your place/if we try I could at least
give you a nice massage and try to get you excited there.
-And that would feel good no matter what the outcome, right?
c: yes
-Yes, you are right.
-(shut the fuck up, grab her and take her to your place)
-(start massage)
-Now, to lead to exitement for both of us I would take off your top and bra
-(take them off, continue massage, get more sexual, fuck
-unusual to be comfortable like this..maybe fate?
-dance/art is my way to express, I want to dance one dance/share art with you, righ!
what I want to share so much. Just 20 minutes, then leave, I am relaxing comfortab!

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

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*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

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*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

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*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

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*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
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*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

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*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

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*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

------------------------------------------------------------

Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
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Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
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M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

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EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

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STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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A conversation with Mystery!

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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
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Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

------------------------------------------------------------

Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

------------------------------------------------------------

Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
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>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

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EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

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STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

------------------------------------------------------------

Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

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Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

------------------------------------------------------------

Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

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A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

The New Maniac Plan 2002

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

M A N I A C H I G H ' S

G E T L A I D G U I D E

N E W M A N I A C P L A N

V 2 0 0 2

It is still a work in progress, and could use some better formatting.
I will do it someday. Content is what counts though.

I designed this plan based on field work, and this plan is tested in
the field, and WORKS.

-For young/dumb chicks, focus on fun/excitment, for older or more mentally
mature chicks, focus on relax/comfortable/understanding.

ie:
-[chick with belly exposed shirt] That is a nice belly (very aggressive)
-Do you exercise/go to the gym../how long?

-That is a very sexy outfit
-Where do you usually buy your clothes/what stores do you usually shop?

Ok, here we go:

ONS:

:::LOOP(go through each section below, 1 line of each section at a time,
and items get deeper as you go..).. ie. rinse, wash repeat!

[Preparation]
-PU locations and way home known
-Home ready, music, massage oil, towels, candles/insense, cleaned up

-My friend likes you [Mr. smooth stuff]
-you are a nice couple
-douzo (put hands together)
-give him kiss, try
-just short one, a little bit!

[transitions - move state from fact talk to feelings/emotion/sex, once succeed this
part, continue with sections of plan below]
-(kino starts)

[Exit]
-go home/fuck

--------------------------------------------

EVASIVE ACTION.. (ie, if it is not working out, try stuff from here)

------------------------------------------------------------

Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around $150) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » question

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac uses a power opener to intro/tongue down

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Maniac uses a power opener to meet and tongue down a chick!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:00:36 GMT

Maniac meets HBOrderMe! Bar PU
001215

This is an interesting bar PU. .
used it to not lay the chick, but to get higher rapport
with the other guys around.

It is bo-nen-kai (end of year party) season in Japan.
After the party (boring, in a big hotel ballroom)
we go to the ni-ji-kai (after party) in a bar/disco
in Roppongi with a bunch of my coworkers (mostly guys,
and some ladies).

One AFC guy is really into this HB. He is making every
AFC mistake in the book (saying she is pretty, sucking
up to her..blah). Progress is really slow.

Me and all the guys are watching. He gets frustrated and
leaves for a bit. I move in on the chick (she is wearing
a high cut black dress, and fishnet stockings... very cute).

My opener is the strawberry game.. I just go up to her,
and say 'imagine you are in a field, and you see a strawberry
field ahead of you, with a fence around.. how high is the
fence'. She goes right into it.

Then I do the interpretation (see strawberry game post
for the game and interpretation) for her. I ask her what
she thinks (she said 1m high fence, 50 strawberries, sorry
to the farmer). She disagrees the interpretation. Then I
ask her what is your idea guy like (brad pitt). Then I say
besides his looks why you like him. Reply: he is really
guy.

Then I ask, what do you want most in a guy's character.
She says, 'I want him to lead, to decide for me what to do.'
Good.. Maniac keeps that in mind for what comes next. .

AFC guy comes back, and I let him have his chick back for
a while. He is doing more regular AFC stuff, though he
has at least initiated kino.. very good. He does this for
like 20 minutes, but isn't really breaking through.

He gets frustrated, goes. I tell the guys 'watch this',
and go up to the chick, and say I am going now, give me a
kiss. I get a cheek kiss.

I look straight into her eyes, and tell her 'thats not
good enough, look into my eyes.. what do you see.. now
give me a real kiss..' a long tonguedown with sexual kino
ensues.. Everyone else sees what I just did, after spending
not even a total of 5 minutes talking with this chick
from before.

I leave the chick, and go back to the guys.. 'that is how
it is supposed to be done'. Respect of me from my guy co-workers
now goes up 10x from whatever it was before, and was visibly
different in the office the next day.

AFC co-worker comes back and tells me how so much he is
in love with this girl (I guess he knew her from before as
a friend or co-worker or something..not sure.. I had never
met her before though). As a result, I defer to him, and let
him get AFC'd out.

I go back to the other guys, and just say, I could take her
(she lives really close actually, so I could just say I
live far and can I crash at her place.. I am sure the answer
would have been yes) whenever I want. They say 'why dont you'?

I reply, well, AFC guy is really into her, and he is a coworker
of mine who I respect, so I dont want to take his chick away
from him. There are lots of chicks to fuck, and this one means
nothing to me at all, but she is important to him, so best to
leave it at that.

I go on to say that all I wanted to know is that I COULD take her
home if I want (and I might next week or something, I got her
number) and now I know that, so it is enough for me, I dont
need more.

Respect from co-workers now goes up another 10x for this, because
I and they KNOW that this is true after what they just saw. .

He continues to AFC for a long while, and I get tired and go
home. Next day I hear that she blew him out almost as soon as I
left.

Now this was cool, because the goal wasn't really to lay the
chick (which I still might if I decide to see her again), but to
increase stature with co-workers, which can help in other ways
in my regular life.

Now one thing to note, is that I cannot do this every time (heck
not even close.. this is like the 3rd or 4th time it has ever happened
so directly like this). I was
really lucky, because of what she said to my 'what you like in
guy question', it was just so EASY to know what this chick
expected me to do, and it was really easy to stage it to happen
in front of all the other guys once I clued in on this.

I WISH I could do it everytime, but life isnt really like that ;-)
Mr. SMooth can do it though!

Constructive comments and opinions welcome!
Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
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>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Setting up the Kiss Close

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
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