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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Kate, what do you think of your boobs?
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:39:04 GMT
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Kate, what do you think of your boobs?
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:39:04 GMT
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » pulling

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Kate, what do you think of your boobs?
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:39:04 GMT
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » pulling

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Kate, what do you think of your boobs?
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Kate, what do you think of your boobs?
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:39:04 GMT
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In article <82a7du$7d5$1@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » pulling

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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This report is good because of the 'negative' commands
yaritai tells the chick to 'not do' regarding the
clothes. Cool!

From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Recovering A Rejected Kiss (field report)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:58 +0900

Hi guys,

I fucked up but looks like I recovered ok. Here's the story.


THE PU

Met chick at bar a couple of weeks ago. Fluff talk, plus I had social proof
going on. Got PU'd by an 8.5 right in front of her (!). After HB8.5 leaves,
I continue to talk to HBTall (6.5 - 7). She asks me if I have a girlfriend
and I say "yeah, lots! you?" She says that she's envious and that she's got
a bf. I ask her why she's envious, she doesn't really answer clearly, but
basically says that it must be nice to associate with lots of different
people. I ask her if her one bf is enough. She asserts that he is more than
enough. I continue talking about other stuff. After a bit, she gets ready to
leave, and I casually say "hey, would you like to see me again?" She
responds, "yes". She gives me her number.


GROUNDWORK

I tell her that I'm going to make her dinner and to come to my place. She
says that she wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, that it might be
"dangerous" ;-). so I say ok, let's go out, I don't care. We go out for
dinner, talk and set some future expectations that we will see each other
again soon, by mentioning some things that we should do sometime/next time.
After dinner, we go to Karaoke, but I fuck up and didn't get a chance to
kiss her. Plus, she was being quite distant and cold and I didn't want to
force the situation. After karaoke, we head home and I figure, that's ok,
I'll get her next time. Tonight was flirtatious enough to generate interest.
End of the night, when parting, I tell her that I will make dinner for her
next time. She doesn't reject or agree to it.


MORE GROUNDWORK

Setting up the second "date". I'm still not sure I want her, exactly. Not
sure if she's worth the effort, but she's a decent chick. I decide to do a
bit of a takeaway and suggest we go out for dinner instead. Then come back
to my place for desert. We go out for dinner, and come back. She's distant
and really makes me feel like the last thing on her mind is romance. I've
gotta make my move, but just as I'm about to, she says she must go home,
it's late. This came as a surprise as it was only 10:30pm, and it violates
my rule that you should kiss her on your first "date", but I have to work
the next morning too, and I'm figuring I won't get laid tonight anyway, so I
think that's fine. I knew we'd be seeing each other again, 'cause I can tell
that she really likes me. Anyway, I use the abrupt ending to my advantage
(or trying to recover, whichever way you look at it!) and tell her on the
way to the train station, "see? I'm not dangerous. I'm not a little teenage
boy that has no control over his sexuality." She seems actually IMPRESSED by
this, and says that she was surprised that I hadn't tried to jump her. (See?
She was expecting me to and therefore had her defences up.)


OVERCOMING REJECTION

During the week, set up a time for me to make her dinner. She tells me in
her email not to "attack" her. I tell her that although I could resist the
one time, I really don't know that I can resist again. I tell her that she
can help me resist though, by not wearing a short skirt, not wearing any
makeup, not putting on perfume, not washing her hair, no jewelry, etc. Then
I definitely won't even WANT to go near her. Sends an email back saying that
she will help me by not doing any of those things. She'll have no makeup,
wear jeans, etc... (This is gold by the way.)

Meet her and guess what? Of course, she's wearing a skirt, makeup, her hair
is done nicely, jewelry, sexy boots, etc. I knew she'd do that.

So, now I know she WANTS it, and I didn't even have to be an AFC to find
out! (Reread the first paragraph if you doubt this.)

Have dinner and at some point where our heads are very close together, I
grab her chin and go for it.
SHE MOVES AWAY AND SAYS 'DAME'!!!  (Japanese lesson: "dame", "da" sounds
like "do" in "dot", and "me" as in "met", means "bad/not right/wrong/no".)

WTF?????

Can't get her to kiss me. OK. That's fine, move on to enjoying the rest of
the evening.

Continue talking and in the middle of her sentence, I grab her hands and
pull her towards me. She says "dame" again. Then I tell her it's not "dame"
and that if she doesn't have to continue if she doesn't like it. That
doesn't work. I then ask her why it's "dame" and she says "just because".
Ok, so there's no specific reason. Great! I can work with this. Then I
continue, but can't get her to kiss me, so I say "oh, I see, you feel guitly
because of your boyfriend", to which she answers "yeah..."

Me: So, are you engaged to him?
Her: No!
Me: Do you want to marry him?
Her: No.
Me: So, it's only guilt, because you WANT to kiss me, don't you? (Ha! I just
got rejected 10 mintues ago!!!)
Her: (softly) I don't know. DAME.
Me: (pulling her closer, she's resisting a bit still) But I know you want to
kiss me. That's how you FEEL, isn't it?
Her: (softly) Don't know.
Me: Tell me that you DON'T want to and I'll stop. (keep pulling her in)
Her: mmm...
Me: You're thinking too much. Stop thinking and FEEL what you WANT. (still
resisting a bit)
Her: mmm...
Me: I know you want me. (NLP?) (very little resistance left)
Her: mmm...
Me: Do what you FEEL is right, not what you THINK is right... (stops
resisting)

Then we kiss and she reciprocates. She's into it.

But she's still feeling guilty and stops. More of the same, in a nice low,
sexy tone, talking about the fact that she WANTS me, but just feels guilty
because of her bf...

Resume kissing. Do this a few times... By the end of the evening, she's
attacking me, hands roaming, etc.


FALLING SHORT

In the end she didn't cave in because it's her time of the month, but we
have set up to get together again in a couple of weeks (I'm busy during this
time and can't meet her). There's no question about what will happen then,
though I suppose it's possible that she changes her mind. Wait and see.

One important note to remember is that at no time during the evening did I
get upset over anything. Rejection is not always rejection. She had to put
up some barriers to justify cheating on her bf.

Take what you can from this if there is anything of value here folks!

Feedback/comments?
yaritai

A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Comment on "Someone's" Basic Pickup Attempt with common mistakes: by Maniac High; 

Forum: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Re: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/24 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

God, you've become a total AFC. Don't worry, there is a way out. 
I won't mention about all the mistakes you made so far, but in
spite of it all, at least you got this far, so lets go from here.. 
Looks like you are ready for serious kino (touching with this 
chick).Instructions follow...

> Later that day when I was back home we
> talked on the phone and she told me she was missing me a lot.. The next
> week she came here, and so we did had a damn beautiful day together, but
> things got a little different, we walked holding hands together all day,
> but nothing more.. 

That is good so far

>After all, she has a boyfriend.. 

So what? Obviusly she likes you right? Find out if she is in love 
with him (she'll say yes probably, but look at "how" she says it, 
if her eyes are at the floor or something like that...probably
doubtful..etc)

>We kept talking on the
> phone everyday, she always told me she missed me.. And finally she told me
> that she thought she was in love with me... 

Good sign, now make her verify that with a good tongue down her
througt.. details below

>Well I went back there a week
> later, went to her place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her
> bedroom she simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for
> quite some time..

Get to a private place again, get to hugging, then look into her 
eyes, stroke her hair gently, see how she reacts. If okay, or no 
reaction, the pull her in closer by her neck, gently, keep looking 
at her eyes. If still no bad reaction, finish pulling her in and 
try to kiss her.

NOW, she might move away, or say something, or give you her cheek 
or something. That is okay, girls often do this the first time.Just 
hug a little more, and then repeat the process again. The 2nd time, 
(or 3rd at the most), she should let you kiss her. 

If not, then, she's got other problems, post what happens after, 
and we'll look at it.

After the kiss, kiss her again, and tongue her down. DO this for a 
while, then you can try and fuck her if you want, or play around. 
So start kissing her neck, ears, etc. while your hand wanders around 
her shoulders, back and then her chest/breasts.... If okay, do
a bit more, then put hands under her shirt, get her breasts/nipples 
excited, then kiss breasts, move hands down to legs/crotch..repeat, 
get her pants off, get her excited with your fingers/lips, 
then fuck her.

> We did hug each other again and again during the day,
> but we never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were
> together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends)
> could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day..

Get her in a private place!! Then go for it like above!

> She told me
> she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. So she is
> coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am
> really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind like:
> "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", 

Maybe she doesn't want to be alone, and is waiting for you to make the move, 
then she'll dump him? Or maybe she just can't deicide.. 

>"Why doesn't she kiss me?",

Because you're the boy, so you have to kiss her...that is the way it 
works... The man leads, the woman follows (flames from feminazis will 
go to /dev/null)..

> "Why
> doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... 

SHe already did, just you missed all the cues...

>I am so damn
> confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every little
> detail.. I didn't.. 

See above.. 

>I just can't kiss her because she has a boyfriend, 

Thats bullshit..Thats not a reason, kiss her, then fuck her..she is gagging 
for it..

>and  because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me for any >reason,

Why? would you settle to just be her friend? Are you a man or a chump? 
If she doesn't want to get close to her, then fuck that, get another 
chick, she is wasting your time, and she will just hug you and you get 
to be the blanket while she fucks her BF.. fuck that shit, you are worth 
better than that..

In fact, you should be getting other chicks besides this one anyways, 
then you'll have confidence in front of this one and you won't
supplicate so much. She will see this, and like you even more..

> I
> just din't want to force anything.. 

You have to, your the man. Forget that femenazi shit they teach you in 
school. If you want something, you got to take it. Just watch her 
resistance. Like resistance is okay, severe resistance is not (ie. when 
she looks definately angry).

>And I can't ask her directly because
> almost in the beggining of this relationship between the two of us started
> I asked her if she liked me (She told me back then she simply didn't know,

She sounds confused, test her by doing the above I said. Because 
what a chick says, and does are two entirely different things 
anyways. Never listen to what a chick says she wants/doesn't 
want unless you qualify by seeing what she will/willnot do too..

> but that I attracted her a lot in a way she couldn't explain, and she also
> said that all this could get very big), but she told me she was sad
> because I asked her that.. So now I don't want to risk her being sad with
> me again... 

So don't ask her, just kiss her and get her...She wants you, 
but just she doesn't want to feel guilty, or feel she decided 
against her old BF, she wants you to do it for her so she feels 
she didn't really have the choice...classic chick logic at work 
here, just ignore that shit..

> I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible reply
> to my email directly, because I am having some problems with my news
> server...
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Someone
> 

That should be enough to get you to 1st base, and probably the
whole home run. If a chick was being like this to be, like you
described, I am sure I could lay her *that very night*! You can
do, just follow the instructions above...

THen report here what happened (success/failure/how)..

Maniac
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