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Setting up the Kiss Close

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

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> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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More on Mr. Smooth

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

More on Mr. Smooth

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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Dante PU's and lays a Brazilian babe.

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> > When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be> more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.>

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[Maniac learns, that being firm and calling bullshir froman HB gets surprising results!]

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

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About buying chicks drinks! – NOT!

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

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news:9299s4$o03$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

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news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

More on Mr. Smooth

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
http://www.pickupguide.com

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Buy Stromectol No Prescription

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Buy Stromectol No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Dante PU's and lays a Brazilian babe.

From danb@ccs.neu.edu Thu Nov 2 10:00:05 2000From: "Dante" Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Field Report: Dante Loses VirginityDate: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:17:51 -0400

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

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From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

More on Mr. Smooth

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
http://www.pickupguide.com

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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> > When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be> more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.>

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
http://www.pickupguide.com

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

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news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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> > When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be> more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.>

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

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About buying chicks drinks! – NOT!

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From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
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What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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More on Mr. Smooth

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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> > When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be> more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.>

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

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About buying chicks drinks! – NOT!

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
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What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
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More on Mr. Smooth

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
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----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

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> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
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What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

More on Mr. Smooth

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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[Maniac learns, that being firm and calling bullshir froman HB gets surprising results!]

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

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news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
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>
>
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What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

More on Mr. Smooth

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Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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Event Report!: Follow up - HB Blitz shapes up after nasty email.
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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
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Bye.

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A way to set up the kiss close

From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77) Ross Jeffries
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 26 Dec 2000 19:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What if...

>Subject: Re: What if...
>From: eclipse19@my-deja.com
>Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2000 12:04 AM
>Message-id: <929jdt$u6t@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  charnel1278@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say
>that
>> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
>> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when
>you
>> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
>> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
>> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
>> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>>
>> Laters.
>
> the standard (canned) reply to a "no" answer is "YOU really know how
>to ruin a moment....your old boyfriends must have hated that about you"
>I think i got this off tony or maniac's site, forget which one. I
>havent ran into a direct "no" answer myself so i havent field tested
>this, but im sure others have. From what i read(or remember anyhow)
>this will leave them stunned and they will show less resistance against
>another kiss.
>
>

 Hmmm......well, I like this "you really know how to ruin a moment" response
WITHOUT asking for the kiss first. "Asking" for anything, outside of the
presence of fun(as in, on the spur of the moment saying, "Hey...wouldn't it be
fun to go to a strip club? Let's go!))  seems pretty pathetic to me.  

    A good one is to notice her giving you that look and then say(and I got
this from a student, it is NOT mine).  "If ? were to ask you on a scale of one
to ten, how good a kisser are you, what would you say?"

 Listen for her answer, then say, "If you were to kiss me right now, how do you
think I'd rate you?"

  You do this ONLY when you see "the look".......

  "let's find out" you say and kiss her.  

IF she backs away from that, then the "you really know how to ruin a moment"
comment works great.  Come to think of it, this could really work for a
cancellation as well. 

---

From: "General Snafu" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: What if...
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:57:08 GMT

If she says no to a kiss, ask for a BJ.  If she says no to the BJ, you are
SOL for the night.

 wrote in message
news:9299s4$o03@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I've checked out a Maniac's, and some others websites and most say that
> when you ask "Do you wanna kiss me?", you're guaranteed a kiss, unless
> you get a flat out NO.  None, from what I saw, said what to do when you
> get that NO.  Do you continue on the conversation like nothing
> happened? Do you come back with a similar question later in the
> evening?  If so, won't she kinda feel that you're badgering her?
> Granted, this won't happen often, but what if?....
>
> Laters.
>
>
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What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

More on Mr. Smooth

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 

From maniac_high@pickupguide.com Mon May 24 22:17:13 1999
From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Report details; 4 kiss closes, 15 phone numbers!! and a radical PU approach
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:51:52 GMT

Oh, yeah, one more thing about this evening.,.

The attitude we both had (me, and the PUA, SMooth) was more to
have fun with each other, seeing what we could get each of our chicks
to do, (right in front of them), so laughing and kidding, almost
paying more attention to each other, than the chicks directly, but
kind of at the same time, taking the chicks along for the ride of
the "fun" we were having. It was much less stressful that way, and
they kept their barriers down as we were doing all this to them.

In a way, they were not the direction of our fun (overtly), but just
were a part of it.

Another thing he did in the intro, is we faked like I didn't know how
to pick up women. So, he would introduce me, and then I would say the
regular 'hi'..blah blah. Then he's say (out loud to be in front of
the chick), "no, this is Japan, its differnet here.. here you take the
ladies hand and kiss it like this (and he kissed his girl's hand). ANd
then I did the same thing with mine.. That was our very first move,
and then we went on from there like in my other note...  (now,
actually,
though men never do this in Japan to the ladies, he was just using
it as a pick up ploy..but it did work...).

So there you go..

Maniac High

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From maniac_high@yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 06:30:20 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Mr. Smooth, on "Choice"
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hi all,

A tip from Mr. Smooth I learned on my last outing, that
I found useful..

He says that one place I fuck up alot, is that I give
chicks a "choice" each step of the way, and use it to
select out chicks. 

Smooth says that this is bad, because chick's by default,
do NOT decide to do anything, which means that they will
NOT decide actively to progress things in a PU. Chicks are
like rocks, they by nature, stay in the same place/sit., and
are not in forward motion. So that means that the goal is
to make the default action (ie. what happens if the 
chick does nothing/doesn't decide) result in the chick
getting closer to you.. rather than the default action
resulting in no advancing of the PU taking place.

Some examples to clarify this:
1)When asking a chick to dance, I would offer my hand to her, and
she would/would not take it. This give a chance for the chick
to back out by doing nothing...ie. by deciding to do nothing (ie.
not dance with me) or, to reword it, by not actively deciding to
take my hand and dance (or whatever) with me the PU fails... bad.. 
Maniac loses..

Better, is Smooth's way is to put his hand on the side of her 
waist, and  guide her gently to the dance floor with a smile. 
Now, she has no choice but to go as Smooth's hand physically
but gently moves her body to where Smooth wants her to be
(..and she will go unless she actively DECIDES to put up a 
fuss..which usually she won't because that means making a DECISION).

2)Smooth never leaves a message on a chick's phone until after
he has FUCKED her (rather than after the first date, as in RJ's
notes). Because leaving a message then gives her a choice to ignore 
the message and not call back. This game playing goes on until
after the chick has TOTALLY given up, which is only after the first
fuck.

So rather, he will keep trying until he gets her in person, and not
leave any messages, that way, his pitch is far more effective.

3)Smooth will never test a chick to "qualify her". He will just
make his moves until she physically gets away from him, or until
he tongues her down (and eventually fucks her). He says he doesn't
need to "qualify her" or "test her" or giving her any small
choices (ie. seeing if she will take his hand to dance, or whatever), 
because its irrelavent to the goal, which is to fuck her. 

Rather he will continue working on any chick until he can
tongue her down, and then take her home. The results of any "tests",
or "choices", or what the girl might be thinking..is irrelavent..
either she lets him tongue her down, or she physically gets out
of there.. those are her choices.. and since many chicks can't
decide as quickly as Smooth makes moves, he often gets his way.

More about Mr. Smooth is on my page..

Opinions/comments welcome.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

----

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:48 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Re: Mr. Smooth, on
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Lines: 23
Message-ID: 
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:45:36 GMT

No, never.. Smooth never plays headgames with chicks..

He is extremely straightforward...meet chick, get rapport, start Kino
ASAP, tongue her down..take her home.. That is the entire gameplan. 
He just goes from chick to chick in the bar/street until he
gets all the way to the end with one (probably through like 20
or 25 chicks or something before he gets one..but he moves fast
between chicks, like 5..10 minutes with each, with only like 20
seconds downtime between each). As he makes his moves, the chick
either allows it, or gets away from him, then he gets the next one.

Maniac
http://www.pickupguide.com

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:12 -0800 Craig 
 wrote:
> Does Mr Smooth ever play hard to get or offer challenges to
> women?
> 
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Jerk Destroyer Pattern

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RJ's Jerk Destroyer Pattern

[Note, this wont work with self abusive chicks who
hang with jerks as ways of 'punishing' themselves.
Might work with 'normal' chicks though.]



From: speedyseducer@aol.comkillspam (JMR)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:39:19 GMT
Subject: Jerk Destroyer Pattern


I was asked by someone (can't remember who, and I've already deleted the
message) to post the "Jerk Destroyer" pattern from Ross' Basic Home Study
Course.  With Ross' permission, here is the ever-wonderful "Jerk Destroyer"
pattern, quoted from the "Secrets Of Speed Seduction Home Study Course
Workbook" (pg. 67):

======

Posted with permission of Ross Jeffries
Copyright 2000, Ross Jeffries
All Rights Reserved

THE JERK DESTROYER

It's an unfortunate reality of existence that many women are attracted to what
can only be called assholes:  guys who are closed, distant, and self-absorbed.

This pattern works by tying in to the woman's ultimate fantasy of being with a
man who's strong, but also open emotionally.  It totally blows her fuses and
makes any jerk she's with now seem totally unimportant.  You should use it only
after you determine that she's indeed the jerk-loving type.

You:  You know, if you ever meet a guy who's strong, who knows how to hang on
his own strength, and knows how to call you on your bullshit, yet at the same
time open himself to you completely, and totally give of himself, it'll be the
most mind-blowing experience of your life.  I think it'll be like a diamond
bullet...  a diamond bullet shot right into your soul, that just spreads
through your whole soul and RE-ALIVENS and AWAKENS you to pleasures and
feelings you haven't even dared to dream about.  Can you FEEL THAT...  would be
just a mind-blowing experience.

And I'll tell you something...  I don't know what thoughts you've had of me or
what thoughts you've dared to let yourself have of me, but when I'm with a
woman like that, and they start to PERCEIVE ALL THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, it's
like wow...  What a difference in the way they think, you know?

======

That was transcribed exactly from the workbook, so it doesn't mention the
anchors (Can you FEEL THAT) or the self-points (ever meet a guy who's strong...
 etc).

I'm just glad that I type over 100 words per minute with good accuracy.  grin
 Anyway, enjoy, and best of luck to you!

JMR

"On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to come to
prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

Game: 4 questions, Waterfall

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The waterfall game, and 4 questions game!


From: "Nice Guy" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: The Four Magic Questions
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:31 -0800

Another question I got from my cousin in the US (which was in A 'Marie
Claire' magazine consequently!) askes about imagining a waterfall. The woman
is supposed to picture a waterfall in her head and describe it using three
words. These descriptions describe how the woman feels sex should be. I've
heard the response 'refreshing, powerful and beautiful' from my ex gf which
was definitely correct!!

Have fun using them!!

JMR  wrote in message
news:20001206025326.21145.00006293@nso-ch.aol.com...
> OK, I have gone through the archive and searched about what the four magic
> questions are.  Now, I have  some questions about the answers:
>
> 1) You're in white room, how do you feel?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me what her feelings are about death,
correct?
> So, if she were to say "peaceful", then I would assume that she is at
peace
> with the concept of death?  Am I reading this right?
>
> 2) Favorite color..why/how feel?
>
>      OK, this is supposed to tell me about her self image, right?  But
what
> colors tell me what about her self-image?  Or is it just the way that the
color
> makes her feel that tells me about her self-image?  For instance, if she
said
> that her favorite color was red, and it made her feel excited, I would
assume
> that her self-image is very confident and energetic, correct?
>
> 3) Favoriate animal..why/how feel?
>
>      So this is supposed to show their friends' perception of them, right?
So
> if she said a dog, and it was because it was loyal and friendly, that
would
> mean that her friends consider her to be loyal and friendly, right?
>
> 4) On beach..how you feel/what you do?
>
>      This is supposed to tell me her feelings on sex and passion?
Sooooo...
> if she were to say "take a long walk", what the heck does that tell me
about
> her feelings on sex and passion?  Does it tell me that she's romantic,
> peaceful, and submissive, or that she just wants to take a walk rather
than
> have sex?  :)
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, and/or insights, will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
> Later,
> ~~JMR
>
> "On the outside, I was an honest man, straight as an arrow...  I had to
come to
> prison to become a crook." -- Tim Robbins, "The Shawshank Redemption"

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> > When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be> more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.>

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[Maniac learns, that being firm and calling bullshir froman HB gets surprising results!]

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When it comes to meeting face to face, I guess, I have to be
more of a jerk, as that is about the only way she reacts well.

Bye.

Maniac High

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About buying chicks drinks! – NOT!

Maniac High — Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Mystery talks about buying chicks drinks!  NOT!



From mystery@idirect.com Wed Sep 22 10:04:30 1999
From: "mystery" 
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PUA RULE: never buy a girl a drink during a PU.

Daniel wrote in message <37E6CF02.C7514C54@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au>...
>Smoke out a poser?
>whats that exactly?
>heheh
>
>Also...
>Remember guys it can be a cruel world out there so watch out for girls who
>play the free drinks game, who will string you along wanting you to buy
them
>drinks, by dropping occasional hints like "we are thirsty, we want a drink"
>Dont give in guys.
>
>Really sickens me when a girl gives fake numbers (i didnt know at the time
>though) and acts throughout the night like nothing happened and even asks
for
>drinks.
>Really she is prostituting herself in a way.
>I can see however how this evolved as a defensive tactic, to politely get
rid
>of guys who they didnt trust and/or like enough. The drinks game is in
>addition to take advantage of guys stupidity and gullibility and sexual
urge
>which the girls play on quite successfully to get what they are after.
>
>I was quite angry but my level headed friend calmed me down as i told him
>over the phone.
>
>NB: Not that i bought any (never have bought drinks for chicks when i dont
>feel right about it).
>:)