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Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

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The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

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Many excellent followups to the Psychicbabe re-lay report!
Mrsex4unyc, RJ..etc..etc.

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

In article <92jvre$obh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maniac_high@yahoo.com writes:

>The immediate gold to take care of this, is to now make the
>relationship very high stakes for her. I can do this because
>I know that she is into me (from what she said at the dinner),
>so the idea is to play it that if she doesnt do her job as a
>chick.. she will lose EVERYTHING as far as I am concern.
>Ok, that is the plan, here we go:

plan or no plan, essentially, you are telling her the truth.  on a long-enough
timeline, the survival rate for EVERYONE is ZERO.  sooner or later, everyone
you love will either leave you or die.  chicks don't seem to believe in this,
though it is the absolute truth.  they think that they can relate to you
FOREVER, REGARDLESS of what they do or how they act.  you are telling her HOW
she can REMAIN with you and what is going to get her EJECTED.  even though it
takes a long time, so it doesn't SEEM like this... this is what has happened to
EVERY chick's relationship that has gone away.  EVENTUALLY, she was not
fulfilling her womanly duties and her man left her for a   chick (younger,
sexier, richer, swallower...)  EVEN if she IS fulfilling her duties, if her man
like it from another chick MORE, she loses out either in a PERCENTAGE of her
benefits or she gets DUMPED and loses ALL of her benefits.  you are merely
explaining this to her and telling her what she needs to do IF she wants to be
with you... which you have already determined.  you are SELLING, and now you
are screening her to see if she is QUALIFIED and ABLE to buy.

>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations
>in relationship. 

I am getting to the point where I am going to do this.  I never do this with
chicks because I morph into whatever THEY are looking for and hook them that
way.  the thing for me is that being 10 months in with MLTR, she has REALLY
learned how to please me and the time I spend TEACHING her has become minimal
and the time I spend ENJOYING her is increasing :)  it is getting tougher and
tougher for other chicks to get my attention, because anything LESS than what I
have already is BULLSHIT to me.  the time I am spending talking to chicks is
mostly eliciting values and breaking their perceptions... just for fun :)  I
know IMMEDIATELY if I want sex from a chick, and if I don't, she is IMMEDIATELY
LJBF and I use her for practice and NEXT her at the end of the conversation.

I am seriously going to consider moving to a "demonstration of value -> SOI"
model, just because I have lost my patience with LISTENING to these bitches
talking about shit that really doesn't mean anything.  I know I am going to
NEXT them ANYWAY as soon as I realize they can't compete with MLTR, so why
listen to their shit FIRST?  I may as well let them know how great I am and
let them know what kind of woman I am willing to accept, and let them continue
from there.  there is also the cognitive dissonance issue of them KNOWING that
I am going to dump them if they are not sexy and CONTINUING to talk to me and
get to know me.  the more they talk to me, the more I hook them into
interacting with me.  the more they get hooked, the greater the PAIN OF
SEPERATION (credit: RJ) when they eventually get EJECTED.  since they KNOW
ahead of time what will get them ejected and they are still talking, they are
either planning to get in line OR setting themselves up for pain.  either way,
after SOI and their acceptance of the terms, there will have to be some sort of
TEST of their compliance.  even listening to what they have to say after SOI
counts as a REWARD for their entering into a "relationship" with me.  hmm... I
will consider this more.

>I go on to tell her that other girls I know also
>like me, ask me out alot, (doesn't matter if it is true or not,
>but chick 'competition logic' will kick in, and it will scare
>your mark to act). 

the reason I don't use this is that MLTR is an integral part of my life.  if I
were to play this "chicks dig me" card, it would belittle the actual
relationship I have with MLTR.  the only problem with THAT is that I am
screening for MORE MLTRs :)  I don't give a fuck about ONS because I can get
laid ANY NIGHT within an hour of talking to the chick I am talking to... in the
WAY I want to with a chick that I WANT TO FUCK :)  a chick offering me ONS is
like a chick offering me a dollar bill.  I already HAVE dollar bills... what do
I want hers for?  of course, there are some chicks that are just so HOT that
you want to try them out, but barring that scenario, ONS can bring you much
more ANGUISH than the satisfaction that accompanies it... PLUS it is the SAME
SATISFACTION that I already get on a regular basis from MLTR. 

besides... it is OBVIOUS that chicks dig me because here SHE is, liking me
within 20 minutes of meeting me... what about the chicks that have experienced
me for days?  months?  years?  OH, she could only HOPE to be one of those! :)

for you, it is a good tactic though.

>Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
>her last week, apparently).

I lost a rap to a low-self-esteem bitch that had a couple of relationships like
this as well.  I mean, I fucked her, but I didn't get to MLTR like I wanted
because she was SCARED that she wouldn't match up to the next bitch and that I
would NEXT her for no reason, like her exes did.  I tried to tell her I wanted
her for more than that, but she wasn't emotionally healthy enough to understand
or believe me.

>Ok, now Maniac has reached her head, and I take this deeper..
>I go on to tell her that I dont want just sex, I want rocks and gold
>I can get any girl in roppongi on a Saturday night and fuck her
>(not exactly true, but she doesnt know this.. goal is just to

she KNOWS that it happened to her VERY QUICKLY.  she ASSUMES she was not the
ONLY bitch to fall for you that quickly.  it is like reverse-social-proof. 
fucking a bitch FAST makes them think you can fuck other bitches FAST.

>'confirm' her worst fears so that she acts), but its not enough for
>me. I want connection, good sex, and romance, with an intelligent
>woman, and that is why I want to date you (psychicbabe).

nice line.  this is another thing I will consider.  talking-up MLTR to them.  
I never considered this either, MAINLY because if you tell a chick what you
want her to do then you never know if she is manipulating you by being that
way, or if she arrived there NATURALLY... on her own.  interesting, LOTS of
style-change material happening right around the new year :)

>Then all of the sudden, she asks me about HBass (the chick staying
>at my place over the holidays), and freaks out about it. I tell
>her that she already knows all this, and exactly what is her point
>here?

although I am a GREAT fan of "quoting", I find that there need to be times to
engage in it and times to NOT engage in it.  this will depend on what you want
with the chick.  it is the same way you can't go from being a CHUMP to a MAN in
a chick's eyes... but you CAN go from being a MAN into a CHUMP :)  if you start
out telling a chick that you have a girlfriend AND that you fuck her, you leave
yourself open for these pot-shots whenever chicks trip the fuck out and go into
their irrational rants from out of left-field.  all a bitch needs to know is
that you are "taken" so that you manage her relationship expectations.  any
more information and she feels like you will give her ALL the information. 
where does it stop?  are you going to tell her that you are fucking her?  that
you fucked her last night?  that you fucked her an hour before coming on this
date?  that you fucked YOUR WOMAN in her ass?  that she LIKES sucking dick? 
WHERE DOES IT STOP?

I ran into this problem with a chick where my relationship to her was BASED ON
trading current sex-stories.  when I got to the point where I didn't want to
tell her any more shit, she was EXPECTING me to tell her, and I realized that
if I wasn't telling her, and she wasn't telling me, then our "relationship" was
OVER.  before that, I had not realized how much I had compromised my position
by telling her CURRENT sex-shit.  think about it, and decide on your own LIMITS
to what you are willing to tell a chick about other chicks... besides, think
about the fact that she is going to KNOW that she will end up as STORIES to
other bitches right after you fuck her.  it will make her VERY self-conscious
about whatever she does with you and that could hinder her emotional states
tremendously.

>Then she stops again, and asks me if I am fucking her (maybe I
>should have said no..., but I had already said yes to her about this
>the first time I saw her)., she asks me why.. (I tell her because
>I am seeing her! like I told you the first time! I mean what do
>you expect?!?).
>
>She then puts on her bitch face, and talks in a stern voice,
>"then call me when you break her up, that is my decision, I am
>going home.".

THIS is retarded because she ALREADY knew that you were fucking her AND she
fucked you herself.  this is another problem with bitches having information
about other bitches.  they use it against themselves.  IMO, the purpose of her
knowing you have another girl or SEVERAL other girls is so she knows where she
stands in the RACE to be your MAIN BITCH.  if you are single, she has a good
chance at being that to you.  if you are "taken" she has NO CHANCE of being
that to you.  if you are SEEING bitches, then she has to COMPETE to be your #1.
 other than THAT, I think giving information about your other bitches is a
mistake...  I have made the SAME mistake up to this point, so I am not
crisicizing :)  however, I am changing that ASAP and I think you should
consider giving out information on a N2K basis (need to know).

besides, SHE is the one that NEEDS a fuck.  if it is not coming from YOU, a guy
she has fucked ALREADY and she LIKES how you did it or she wouldn't have come
back... she has to get it from a STRANGER whose sexual skills are in question
that might tie her up, fuck her in the ass or sell her to the highest bidder. 
bitches like to FRONT a lot about having ALL these sexual choices, but with all
the 8s, 9s, and 10s I have spoken to on an honest "one of the chicks" level,
they are ALL looking to have an EXCITING time, but not REALLY be in DANGER! 
you, OTOH have pussy AT HOME IN BED WAITING FOR YOU!  the only one to lose out
if she bails... is HER!  knowing that, I would have not even entertained her
bullshit OR called her on it, letting her know that I was getting laid tonight
REGARDLESS of whether SHE fucks or not.  that would take the fucking WIND out
of her sails :)

>I tell her I am planning to break her up (which is true) later, so
>it is nothing you should worry about. 

this, my friend :)  is a COP-OUT!  it is used VERY EFFECTIVELY by married men
to keep fucking their side-bitches, but WE are way above bullshit tactics like
this.  I commend you for thinking of this "on the fly", but PLEASE, PLEASE! 
hehe  I have MUCH more respect for you as a PUA than to hear some CRAP like
this from you :)  PLEASE think of something better for the next instance of a
chick trying to BLACKMAIL you into trading in a R-E-L-A-T-I-O-N-S-H-I-P where
you are getting EVERYTHING you want from a chick... for a ONS with HER! 
HAHAHAHAHAHA  >:)

I haven't run into a chick STUPID enough to try to disrespect my MLTR for being
with me... chicks have STARTED to say she is dumb for "letting" (as if she has
ANY say in the matter) her man fuck other chicks, and I have BROKEN THEIR
FUCKING ASSES listing the benefits that SHE is getting that they will most
likely NEVER have with a man... EVER!  and CERTAINLY don't have right now, or
they would not be talking to me in a bar... they would be with THEIR OWN MAN
conducting this FANTASY RELATIONSHIP that they are professing that my MLTR
should have :)  I have NEVER run into a chick that has even TRIED to break into
my relationship with MLTR because they KNOW I mean business.  all they can do
is become ANOTHER MLTR... and after they hear the QUALIFICATIONS, they KNOW
they can't even achieve THAT... only ONS and LJBF with me.  if some bitch EVER
suggested that I break up with MLTR in order to ONS her, I would  A) laugh in
her face and  B) immediately demand an EXPLANATION of the reasons why she
thinks she can knock MLTR out of the box AND make her perform ANY AND ALL
SKILLS that she CLAIMS to be better than MLTR at IMMEDIATELY!  put up or SHUT
THE FUCK UP!  the result would be the ONS ANYWAY, and she would still be LJBF
or NEXT because MLTR is NOT about sex... it is about compatability and I
PERSONALLY could not be with some bitch that needs to knock other chicks off in
order to gain status.  I gain status by BEING MYSELF and letting bitches make
INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED decisions to be with me.  any chick that wants to be with
me had better do the same.

>she gets upset, and starts
>screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
>just like her ex-bf, getting other girls while dating her, and how
>all guys just want sex..etc..

I would have told her "you wanna calm the fuck down?"  throwing tantrums and
making scenes are expressions of her ability to do ANYTHING in your presence. 
I personally don't tolerate that.

>Then she says.. ok, if you let me meet your GF at your house
>tonight, then I will let you have sex with me. [ha! I got her!]

ok.  thank God I happened to read the next line before I started typing this. 
I was JUST going to ask you WHY you are STILL letting her blackmail you into
fucking her... ESPECIALLY when she is the one that needs it and you don't :)

>I bounce back, and say, "what exactly makes you think I am
>desperate to have sex with you tonight?! Do you think I am
>just some stupid guy and you can manipulate me like that?
>No, you will not meet my GF, it is disrespectful to her to do
>that. You know the situation, it was clear to you from the
>beginning, and you accepted it. There is no more to talk about.
>I am not here only for sex, I can get that anywhere. Sex only
>of itself is of little value to me, I want more than that.

SWEET!  :)  break her fucking ASS maniac :)

>I then bring out the nuclear weapons! My tonality is very firm,
>and I eye fuck her, while telling her the following. First, I tell
>her that I already told her about my GF, she was clear about it
>right from the start, and she has NO excuse. Then I go on to tell
>her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
>that did NOT happen. So do NOT compare me to your ex. I am a
>different person, and EXCEPT better treatment than that if you
>ever want to see me again. She starts crying more, and hugging
>again.

ugh :/   fucking IDIOTS!   man, the shit some bitches put you through!  does
everyone SEE why we have to study this shit?

>I put her against wall, and tell her not to complain about me like
>I am her ex, I a am different person than he is.
>
>I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
>alone!

this is a good point.  I like to play it the other way:

ok... so now, you have told me that you want everything to be a 'perfect'
situation with a guy before making a move.  You want him to be ideal with
women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady... WHAT MAKES YOU THINK
HE WILL WANT YOU?   WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING TO THE TABLE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE A
MAN LIKE THAT CHOOSE YOU OVER ANY OTHER CHICK?

you wanna see some confusion?  you wanna see a bitch get BROKEN?  HAHAHAHA  >:)
 of course, I use this on chicks that I am just practicing on, because it
normally induces DEPRESSION, not horniness.  when they have to GO DEEP INSIDE
and dive BELOW THE SURFACE of their programming, they realize that they CAN NOT
TELL ME WHY A MAN WOULD WANT THEM!  they stall the fuck out dude :)  it's
amazing.  matter of fact, it's documented already.  look at my recent thread
with "telembe".  I let her say all this bullshit about what she wanted from a
guy in order to give up her virginity, then when she was finished talking about
what she WANTED, I asked her what she was OFFERING to a guy that was going to
give her all this committment and "love" and other bullshit and she said a
whole bunch of shit that ANY bitch can and WILL give to a man she likes.  she
might have THOUGHT she had something to offer a guy that was going to seperate
her from the pack, but she doesn't.  even GOOD PUSSY can't get a bitch any
credit because there are LOTS of bitches that can fuck and suck like pros...
elites AND sub-elites.  telembe NEVER told us what seperates her from the rest
of the bitches that might make a MAN like the one she wants even LOOK HER WAY! 
the reason is that there is NO reason! :)  bitches are programmed that MEN want
them... but they are NEVER told WHY.  the reason is that men like to FUCK and
get their dicks sucked.  they also like companionship and cooking and cleaning
and for a girl to look good on their arm so they can feel accomplished around
their buddies.  chicks THINK they are ENTITLED to a good man... but the GOOD
MEN... are picking GOOD WOMEN!  if they were SHINING like they think they are,
they would have been scooped up already and married or whatever they were
looking for because some guy would have spotted her and said "I'm not going to
let her go for ANYTHING" and she would be happy... at least according to her
programming.  OH, how I LOVE to see a bitch's face while she TRIES AND TRIES to
dig up ANY reason why a guy as great as the one she claims to want would EVER
choose her over any other bitch :)  the JOY the JOY that I feel as this POMPOUS
BITCH breaks the fuck down RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE! :)  of course since I
broke her, I keep talking to her and ease her back to a decent state of being
and let her know that she can take steps to make herself into the woman that a
man would want, but she has to really KNOW HERSELF and KNOW MEN in order to
make an intelligent decision.  I am not into depressing chicks... unless they
TRULY DESERVE IT for all the depression they have caused men throughout their
tenure as FINE bitches :)  also, I have no desire to BREAK bitches and leave
them like that.  that just makes it WORSE for ALL OF US looking for FINE, yet
DECENT chicks.

>she cries, and says that is so true, that is her problem, she never
>takes the chance and loses out because she doesn't make the
>move on taken guys. Then I run my 'take chances routine' (if you take
>a chance, in the end, the result is usually good, but if you don't,
>just you get left behind, by yourself).. 

nice.  I like that one... emphasizing loss and loneliness.

>she cries more, says she
>needs to take the chance, and doesnt want to be alone.

she's done :)  nice work.  land her!

>She says she has to be careful, that all guys want just sex, and
>bitches about this for about 30 seconds.

as opposed to what?  what does she WANT guys to want?

>Now I start the 'you need me, I dont need you..you think I just want
>only sex, then you dont understand me at all.. if you think that is
>what I am only, then you do NOT deserve me.. I do no need you to go out
>with me if that is what you think I am.. I want connection, sex,
>passion, and closeness.. and if you haven't figured that out about
>me yet, then get another guy, because you dont understand me at all..

OK OK OK... you've CONVINCED me maniac :)  that's some good shit right there :)
 starting NOW, I am pitching for MLTR ONLY.  bitches that want ONS or LJBF will
get what they deserve from me... which isn't much.  I LOVE this idea of dissing
her for claiming that you are looking for ONS... or even just a "bootie-call"
type relationship :)  I love it.  I would feel so PROUD getting on her like
this.  sweet!  EXTREMELY congruent!  nice play!  this is going into my style,
starting RIGHT NOW!  :)

>I am doing this, because I know the left (logic) and right (emotions,
>passion) are fighting each other..they have been all night. Because the
>left doesn't accept the logic of the situation, but I know the right side
>dying for a shag,..she is trying to rationaize going out with a taken guy,
>but I have gotten her so excited tonight, that she needs that fuck.

THIS is the reason I never learned any of this shit until recently.  my
caveman-kino style before this involved ZERO talking.  totally kino and kissing
and PHYSICAL seduction with domineering EYE-CONTACT.  there was NO INFORMATION
for the left side to process at all.  EVERYTHING went STRAIGHT to the chick's
right side, and her left had to try to process the EMOTIONS and turn them into
a story that she could understand... in the meantime, she is PHYSICALLY falling
for the kino and wanting MORE AND MORE until we are fucking.  I never HAD to
talk to chicks before OR after fucking them because my PHYSICAL ATTACK is so
DEVASTATING!  I would just take them over PHYSICALLY and their right brains
would do ALL the work and the left would struggle to understand, but eventually
succumb to the onslaught!  ARG ARG! :)

thanks for explaining that to me :)

>As I touch her side of face, she goes doggy look, I kiss her, and she
>gets like screambabe, panting. I put leg between her, she widens, goes nuts
>totally. I ask her she likes me (in a tell her sort of way' you like me..'),
>she replies 'yes'. I say (stare her down) .. she asks "what should I do?"
>I say in a very strn fatherly voice while staring her down 4 inches from
>her head.. you will follow me..that is what you will do.. and you will do
>what I say. 'she says, 'I will'. I tongue her down more, run her crotch,
>she almost cums right there, then I take her to a love hotel (her first
>time!), no resistance what so ever.

interesting.  what just happened here?  did you somewhere dictate to her that
the terms of her being "your bitch" is that she has to sumbit to you fully? 
are you getting a verbal confirmation of that from her?  or is something else
going on... like she just plain UNDERSTANDS that you can move her to passions
that make her WANT to cum and that you are going to take her there and over the
edge?

another point... what do you guys think of foreplay on a chick.  he mentions
that she almost came right there... do you think it is good to get her to the
EDGE and leave her there so she is so horny, she will do ANYTHING for you to
make her cum, OR to give her an orgasm right there in her clothes to
demonstrate your sexual mastery over her?  personally, I am into the sexual
mastery thing because I notice a newfound RESPECT from a chick that has had
guys on top of her NAKED, fucking her for all they were worth and she never
came from it, and then I am just doing kino on her and fingering her and she
cums from just that.  do you think that making the chick cum on herself makes
her want sex MORE or want it LESS since she just got off?  take into account
that chicks are multi-orgasmic and that they feel sexier after cumming, not
DRAINED like guys.

>As I am fucking her, I am putting things in her head, like D.Shades reports.
>I tell her as she is screaming it feels deeper and deeper, closer and
>closer. She is going nuts will I am fucking her.

I need to reasearch this.  is this more right-brain, left-brain shit where her
left-brain is shut down because of the FIREWORKS that are going off in her mind
because of the sex, leaving her wide open to suggestion?  if you have any links
for this, please post.

>I stare her down, and I tell her you need me (during sex), she says yes.
>I tell her from now on you will follow me, and do what I say. She says
>'yes, I will'. I continue doing her, she says "it feels SO good, I really
>need that, I really want it, i love you inside me!".. she is fucking like a
>wild animal, loud voice, shouting and screaming, oh, I want it, give it
>to me, I want to come!

more of the same?

>Then she tells me anything is ok as long as I dont hate her..she doesnt
>want me to hate her. She wants me to hold/hug her, she cries a bit, then is
>ok again (seems to be thinking of her old bf she says). I touch her
>more, face goes totally doggy look, and finger her, she goes nuts, we start
>fucking again.

the "I don't want you to hate me" thing is very important in the D/s
relationship... not that you set this up like that, but that is the MAIN
incentive for her to follow your lead... that she does NOT want you to hate her
and CERTAINLY not to banish her.  when that is TRULY first and foremost in her
brain, she will regulate HERSELF and place herself in-line with your thinking
and what YOU want her to be.  she also won't try to blackmail you anymore
because she KNOWS it gets on your nerves and all THAT will do is get her
EJECTED sooner rather than later :)

>Her back is on the bed, and I am fucking her missionary, her legs are
>spread and wide in the air, which I am holding. I tell her "see, I control
>you, 

hehe ok... this is a little FAR-FETCHED for me at this point, but I have not
researched it yet :)  I DO like the next line though.

>I go deep in your body because it is the one way to reach you totally
>deep in your mind which no one else can do. 

interesting

>By conquering your body, I can
>conquer your mind (then I drill her a bit more after I finish the sentence so
>she goes more crazy). I play with your body because it lets me control
>your mind (then drill her some more..ha, it is like the ultimate form of
>reward hypnosis).

IS there such a thing as reward hypnosis?  links please? :)

>I ask her, so why you like me. She says she says, you are decisive and
>sometimes I am indecisive, so you make it easy for me. I want the guy
>to make it easy for me to decide what to do (important clue here Maniac!
>maybe most chicks are like this! Maybe this too is where I fucked up
>with HB Geek!)

I have heard this a lot too... only thing is that there is a lot of
RESPONSIBILITY that comes with telling a chick what to do, and if the VALUE of
owning her is not sufficient for me, I don't give a fuck WHAT she does enough
to want to lead her to a good time.

>Moral of the story.. keep your ground.. call all chick bullshit DIRECTLY.
>Make the chick risk fear losing the relationship if she doesn't capitulate
>and chances are she will back down, in spite of how it looks (and I could
>do this BECAUSE I had other choices.. another reason to be fucking
>several chicks at once). As well, it seemed that she was giving me all the
>bullshit in part because she WANTED me to call her on it, and then fuck her
good
>at the end of the night, which I obliged.

chicks give you shit-tests to find out if you are stronger than them and see
HOW you are going to control them.  chicks like the way I control them because
I NARROW their choices for them, but STILL make them choose.  they can choose
the path of ULTIMATE SATISFACTION, or they can choose the path of EJECTION and
being back on the dating scene meeting the SAME LAME GUYS every night :)

you had told her you had a girlfriend, but she seems to have NEEDED to know
that she really COULDN'T have you all to herself and that you really DIDN'T
NEED to fuck her that night or EVER.  you stuck to your guns (after letting her
get to you for a while :-) and she eventually ran out of logic and got
overridden with kino and gave up the fucking pussy like she came there to do :)

>Constructive comments/opinions welcome!
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

EXCELLENT!  keep up the GOOD WORK dude!  :)

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From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 30 Dec 2000 20:12:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

>Subject: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit
special!]
>From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
>Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 10:37 PM
>Message-id: <92jvre$obh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>

>)this chick is a very highly educated, driven, professional
> career woman and earns likely a big 6 figure salary
>b)she is very mature, focused and spends all day in her office
> surrounded by sharks and other pirrhana type scumbag characters

 She's got to be in control ALL DAY LONG at work. Small wonder then, with a
man, she wants to fully SURRENDER control and be made to submit.  It's like all
those super-powerful Congressmen and Judges and the like who LOVE going to get
pissed-on and whipped by some Madame Dominatrix. 

>I regroup my thoughts.

 I admire your ability to do this in the field, Maniac. As you think about it,
what do you do internally to re-set yourself and keep yourself in a good frame
of mind when all this shit throws your way?

>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations

   Metahpor is a POWERFUL tool to move folks from a fixed perception to a new
one. Please, share your story!

> Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
>her last week, apparently).

Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it feels
good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities.  So
when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the
potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. She's worried about pain,
so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only losing
out on the pleasure of screwing, BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER
believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if
she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE
crack-up.

  Once she accepts this, it's a done deal.

>he gets upset, and starts
>screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
>just like her ex-bf,

See? The fear of the pain of being hurt just like her ex-BF hurt her is now
rearing its ugly head.  She doesn't seem like a very emotionally stable person
in ANY event, let alone having just been dumped by a guy.  

>Then I go on to tell
>her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
>that did NOT happen

 Sharp thinking. Again, what do you do internally to keep your state solid and
your thinking sharp? THAT process internally is of great value, even more than
the specifics you share.  The specifics are like handing guys fish; good for a
nice meal and of value. But  how you get to the mind-set is TEACHING someone
HOW to fish so they can eat for life. 

>I  tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
>alone!

 Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her
"ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then
accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be!  

   Excellent...Maniac, I don't give a damn WHAT my orthodox SS followers say,
this is BRILLIANT stuff and I'd be proud to be your wing or have you as mine,
ANY FUCKIN' DAY of the week! Sir, I salute you!

>Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too
>much)
>of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this.

 Actually, you ARE not arguing the logic, but you are USING the logic...HER
logic..HER way of viewing things.....pointing out WHY and HOW she loses and
what will happen if she doesn't stop it.   It's all centered around losing and
WHY she loses, based on what she has told you.  It IS logical, FROM her point
of view.  

 Great, Great stuff...sir, I salute you!

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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:03:54 GMT

Replies to various people about psychicbabe:

Answers to various questions:

Was psychicbabe british, or Japanese?
She was a brit of Japanese ancestry (ie. she
looked 'j', but thought, acted and had an
english accent like a brit). This in my
opinion made it harder, because brit women
are so fucking F A T, and she was so
slender, sexy and attractive (and she dressed
to kill) compared to all of them. Lots of guys were
hitting on her (and she said she always got hit
on, and hated it.. trick was to not make it look
like a 'hit').

Why not a white chick? Well, I had the chance...
but.. at the conference where I met her, EVERY
brit. white chick there was in serious blimp bulge
territory.. very scary. Why is it so many caucasian
women are so FAT?

It was funny though, because something like 8 guys
(I counted) tried to hit on psychicbabe the night
I PU'd her. One guy was pretty good, the rest were
total AFC's..it was rather funny.

Re: Rocks -vs- gold.. how I use it (yes, it is
Jake's metephor. For RJ, search the original post
on fastseduction.com. It is also on pickupguide.com
someplace (if not it will be there in about 2 weeks,
I am revising the page this week). Basically, I intro
it as follows:
After chick says bullshit about wanting to go to
dinner and be friends or shit for 6 months before
becoming a GF, I say: Actually, I dont go to dinner
or stuff like that with ladies who are not my GF
CHick:  gasps!
Maniac: see, going to dinner, is an important step
in a relationship for me. I only share it with someone
special
chick: Huh?
Maniac: Well, let me put it this way, do you ever
sleep with a guy who is just your friend, or dont
care about?
chick: of course not!
Maniac: well, why do you think a guy should do any
different then?
Maniac: See, let me tell you a story. You ever hear
about 'rocks & gold'?
chick: no? what is it?
Maniac: Well, Relationships are valuable things.
And each partner is looking for something. It is like
diamonds (rocks) and gold. Both are valuable.

But women prefer diamonds to gold (usually), and
men prefer gold to diamonds (usually). Of course,
both are important, especially in a long term
relationship, but if a woman could choose, she would
prefer the diamonds  first, and the man would
prefer the gold  first. right?

chick: yeah, probably

Maniac: And (generally), a man can accept gold
without the diamonds, and a woman can accept
diamonds without any gold.

So in a relationship, a woman is mining for
diamonds, while the man is mining for gold.
While they are in the mine together, the
guy gives diamonds he finds to the woman, and
the woman gives the gold she finds, to the man.

But if you give a woman gold only, or a man
diamonds only.. neither is likely to be
very happy, and the relationship will soon
fall apart. In short, an exchange of sorts
takes place in a successful relationship.

And also, if a man expects just gold (sex),
but doesnt want to give her diamonds
(relationship & the mushy stuff), then she
will dump him fairly soon, because he is
playing/using her just for sex..

And if a woman expects just diamonds (walks,
attention, nice dinners, movies..etc) without
giving some gold (sex), then he (if he has any
clue about how to deal with women, though many
men do not, especially in North America) will
dump her because she is using/playing him just
for his personality.

A guy taking a chick to dinners, buying shit
and giving nice walks without sex is THE SAME
as a guy sleeping with a girl, and then kicking her
out right after the fuck is over. (chick says:
'yelch!'. Yes, thats right, and for the guy,
just dinners and buying shit is 'yelch', with
no sex, and no attention is exactly the same.

Because a woman will go to free dinner with
almost any guy, it has no value to me. But
I am like you, I want attention, and I want
to be made to feel special.

And although a girl will go to nice free dinners
with almost anyone, I also know that a girl will
not sleep with anyone. So I know if she does with me,
then it means she thinks I am important. And if
she wont, then it means she doesnt care about me
at all, so I really dont need to see her again,
I will just go find another girl.

Maybe you might think it is unusual for a guy
to think this way, but it is just my way.

See, I dont want to be played. Guys are always
getting played by girls for nice dinners, long
talks on the phone, and for their personalities.
It is the SAME as a girl being used for sex.
So I am happy to give plenty her diamonds, but at
the same time, I dont want to be played, so
I also expect her to want to give me gold.
And if she doesn't, it means she doesnt care about
me, is using me, or it means I am being played,
or I am stupid.

As well, experience has also showed me that
'friends first' almost NEVER results in a
relationship. I mean how many of your BFs were
your friend first (chick usually replies..uh,
zero).

Exactly, so that is why I never play 'friends
first'. Friends first means diamonds for the
lady, and no gold for the guy. That is like
the guy saying (ok, lets fuck for 6 months,
and if its good, we can go to dinner, and go
out, and you can be my GF). Would you like
that (chick: yelch!!).

Exactly.. so that is why it is far better,
that the lady meet me, get to know me, and
then I expect her to be smart enough to know
to take that chance THEN (or reject it, and I will
go get another lady) when it is offered to her.

So that is why I expect things that way in a
relationship with a lady.

After this, a chick is (usually) quite impressed,
or surprised and doesnt know what to say..

[When I recited this to psychicbabe, she actually told me
she was very impressed, that I understood relationships
so well ;-) ]

Had I been smart, I would have used it on HB
geek, and laid her, but after that failure I
thought about it, and then when the same situation
came up with Psychicbabe this week, I knew what
to do..

Ok, now on to other comments..

RJ writes
>Maniac writes:
> >I regroup my thoughts.
>
>  I admire your ability to do this in the field, Maniac. As you think
about it,
> what do you do internally to re-set yourself and keep yourself in a
good frame
> of mind when all this shit throws your way?

A couple things.. first, this PARTICULAR chick is of no importance
to me, because I am (likely) seeing 3 others this week. So it is
not as risky to me to be firm, and keep my ground.

Another important fact, is the way chick's brains are usually
wired. For a
chick, once she likes a given guy, it is hard for her to immediately
switch to another guy. it is far MORE risky, because a chick (unlike
men), usually cannot switch to another guy, once she ALREADY
likes a given guy (story is different BEFORE you got her to
like you..then SHE has more power than you).

So I play on this, and as a result I dont feel nervous/scared at all,
because there is far more to risk to her, than to risk to me. Because
she is stuck to me, but I am not stuck to her. (this also is why
'jerks' can get away with so much shit on any given chick, and why
she will tolerate it.. because her brain has now got her focussed
on THAT guy, and it is now a choice (in her mind), between him (and
his bullshit... or being alone (sure she can get another guy in 10
minutes, but she cannot build those nice feelings of 'attachment'
in 10 minutes.. that gives us men power, once we realize this).

Two, I am generally a very balanced level
headed person, and dont take any of this personally (as you already
know, RJ). Three (in this case), I had
already laid this chick, so I didnt care really if I laid her again
or not.. I already conquered her, and she (and I) already knew that.

If it is a new chick, sometimes, I get more nervous/fucked up (see
HB Geek). I am trying to keep my senses more when this happens

> > Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
> >problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
> >her last week, apparently).
>
> Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with
fucking; it feels

Not sure about this, I think she just simply wanted the fuck, but
wanted to feel she was important to me, and she didnt want to just
get played..

> good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the
vulnerabilities.  So
> when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which
overcomes the
> potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. She's worried
about pain

yes, thats right.

> so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not
only losing
> out on the pleasure of screwing,

Not really. I actually made it clear to her that I didnt care if
she bang me or not. The point was that she had to give her mind
to me, and respect me, and follow me (whether that is bang me,
make her take off her clothes in the window for me, or do my
dishes..whatever.. its not the banging that is important, it is
the submission to me that counts, and what she needs to give me
if she wants my attention at all).

> BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER
> believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out
that if
> she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even
WORSE
> crack-up.

Yes

>   Once she accepts this, it's a done deal.
>
> >he gets upset, and starts
> >screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
> >just like her ex-bf,
>
> See? The fear of the pain of being hurt just like her ex-BF hurt her
is now
> rearing its ugly head.  She doesn't seem like a very emotionally
stable person
> in ANY event, let alone having just been dumped by a guy.

No, she is not stable at all. I think though, it is because she
bottles it up all day, to be the 'office bitch' that she has to
be in the daytime. This chick lives for her work. She has no other
life.

>
> >Then I go on to tell
> >her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
> >that did NOT happen
>
>  Sharp thinking. Again, what do you do internally to keep your state
solid and
> your thinking sharp? THAT process internally is of great value, even
more than
> the specifics you share.  The specifics are like handing guys fish;
good for a
> nice meal and of value. But  how you get to the mind-set is TEACHING
someone
> HOW to fish so they can eat for life.

Actually, the specifics are important I think. This is why lay/field
reports with details are so important. I think really shitty on my
feet. I really suck.. bad.

But if I have had that same experience before (with another chick),
or been in that same situation before, and
either succeeded (or failed, and then thought about how to handle it
right the next time), then I will handle it correctly this time.

I really believe in field experience. I have alot... really alot.
so I have seen many of these situations before. It is like chess,
or a foreign language. If you've been there before, and worked out
a solution, then you know what to do. You MUST get field experience.
It is CRUCIAL. And each time you fail, you go home, and see what
you did right/wrong, and what you would do if the same situation
happened again. This is why I also post the fuckup as well as
the lay reports.. they are very valuable to me in gathering my
thoughts and forcing me to think about what I did right/wrong,
as well as listening to the other's comments about them on this
NG.

I also look at the other's reports as well, and learn about
situations, and ask myself for each one, if it happened to me,
what would I do/how would I handle it. Eventually, after doing it
for a couple years (I have been at this in ernest for about 2
years now), you get better at it. Learning situations in PU, is
like learning the words of a foreign language, and how to connect
them all together.. how to move from a bad situation..to a good
one to get the chick in a horny state..

Also, I keep in mind alot about what MrSex4uNYC says about attitude,
and when I get stuck, I ask myself, what would NYC tell me right
now about this situation. He is very congruent, and if you think
things this way, it is easy to be clear what is the right way or
wrong way.

> >I  tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
> >with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
> >with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
> >and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
> >unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
> >alone!
>
>  Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to
her her
> "ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she
can then
> accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be!

Yes, basically that is the idea. I am not sure that it means I am
an authority, but its more, to convey that she is clueless, she
is wrong, so to listen to herself will make her fuck up even more..
..so maybe she had better listen to me instead, and then she wont
fuckup as much.. basically that is the idea..

>    Excellent...Maniac, I don't give a damn WHAT my orthodox SS
followers say,

I didn't get this.. What are orthodox SS followers, and I had no
idea they were saying anything about this.. I really dont understand
what you mean here..

> >Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too
> >much)
> >of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this.
>
>  Actually, you ARE not arguing the logic, but you are USING the
logic...HER
> logic..HER way of viewing things.....pointing out WHY and HOW she
loses and
> what will happen if she doesn't stop it.   It's all centered around
losing and
> WHY she loses, based on what she has told you.  It IS logical, FROM
her point
> of view.

Yes, basically that is the idea. What I meant was, is that her main
point is that she wants a monogamous BF, and doesn't want to be played.
But, I am playing her, and she (at some level) realizes that, so
in essense, her gut feel about this is totally correct.

But I am playing her desire for the fuck, and her fear of losing
out, which lets me bypassing her gut feel that she is being
played, and then I can get her to fuck anyways.

Good followups everyone!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:10:23 GMT

  "Dohn Joe"  wrote:
>  wrote in message news:92n7b9$146
$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> [snip]
>
> The more I think of it, the more this seems to be a great PU.
> I think the PU in England is the gist of your piece of work.
>o I'd be glad to see more
> details on how you picked her up in England, that's the hardest work. How
> did you stand up the crowd? How did you make it not look like a PU?

I was using psychological 'jujitsu' (use the strength of your
opponant, against themself). There is a field report from 2 months
ago, that outlines the PU (check fastseduction.com archives).
Basically, I met her at a conference. I didnt talk to her much.
Then I followed her onto a bus that was taking us to the next
meeting place. A guy was hitting on her, and he sat with her.
I sat on the seat in front bymyself.

She (like most british bitches), started complaining about how
she hates men, and other bullshit. The guy on the bus with her
is taking this/agreeing with it (if I remember right).

I just turned around (and tonality and eye contact here is crucial),
and just tell her in a VERY authoritative voice, slowly.. "perhaps
you have just not met the right man yet, one you understands you,
deeply, and completely. But.. you never know the future.. now do you..
I used killed eye contact, spoke slowly, and continued "perhaps
if you open your mind more, you might find him.. by surprise, without
even expecting it, because often, that is the way it usually is..see"

Psychicbabe went "maybe", and then started more manhating bitching.

I then described the kind of man she wanted "one you could rely on,
but at the same time, be mysterious, and exciting in some unexpected
ways, because he just knew how to reach you deep inside you, and
your mind.. that is what your looking for..isnt' it?"

Psychicbabe: yes,

{continue PU, bunches of stuff from the ManiacPlan, if I remember
right}

The key here was the tonality and Eye-Fuck contact. That is what
did it more than the words I used. I just totally crushed her
with it..

> How did
> you get past her "bitch office" shield? I'm asking especially because, as I
> picture this woman, it would seem pretty intimidating for me to approach
> her.

I had the attitude that she obviously had never met a man that
knew how to give it to her right, which means that she obviously
needed ME far more than I needed her. That mindset made it easy.

> I admire your ability to take her from there into total submission.
> existing relationship than guys. That's why many (even HOT ones) find
> themselves in a dead end - boring or abusive - relationship, love to
> complain about it to whoever they find to listen, yet are unable to step out

EXACTLY!!

> of it. That's why the first fuck is hard - after that she is bound
> emotionally to you. You see,

>Women's sexuality is DISSOLVED in them.

Yes! you understand it!! (true for most, but not all chicks though,
some just like sport fucking, like we do)

> GREAT words to remember for all us RAFCs when we feel like beating the walls
> after a fuckup... I myself am so darn depressed when coming back after an
> unsuccessful encounter with a chick. Yes, each field experience is one more
> lesson

Yes, do NOT underestimately field experience. It is SO important.
I fucked up TONS (see all the fuckup reports I used to post a couple
years ago on ASF), and I still fuckup alot (see HBGeek, or HockeyBabe).
Over on cliff's list they say it takes 2..4 years to get good
at something, and 10 years to be a master. I TOTALLY agree.
I have only been at this for 2.. 2 1/2 years. And the more I learn,
the more I realize I still need to learn.. There is still TONS that
I dont know yet.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

I, for one, am really GLAD to see a post from RJ that has helped me move
forward in MY game :)  not that I am an ingrate hehe... his contribution to all
this is UNDENIABLE to begin with and if I hadn't stumbeled onto his site, I
would have still been using my caveman tactics and my MENTAL seduction game
would still be lacking.  as much as I appreciate his contribution to the
seduction game in general, I had been disappointed with all the flaming and
nonsense that he and others had/have been involved with because I thought that
this NG was BASED on USEFUL interaction between him and the rest of us, but I
found that not to be the case :(  not that ANYONE gives a fuck what I have to
say about this, but I wanted to back up into the PAST to make it clear that I
appreciate RJ's PERSONAL contribution to the NG TODAY.

In article <20001230151247.26801.00001467@ng-fi1.aol.com>, erosla77@aol.com
(ErosLA77) writes:

>>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
>>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations
> 
>   Metahpor is a POWERFUL tool to move folks from a fixed perception to a new
>one. Please, share your story!

I have been doing this without identifying it:

A) find out her perception (marriage, monogamy, sucking dick VS kissing...)
B) "quote" her a story illustrating a chick that saw things a DIFFERENT way
(the way I want HER to see things) and benefitted GREATLY from it (she is still
with me, she got married to the guy she wanted, she gained inner peace and
self-love...)
C) watch her AGREE with something that she just minutes ago BELIEVED was
incorrect, or not for her.

the most fascinating part is (C) because I didn't realize my powers of
validation, pacing then LEADING had developed so strongly.  this is partially
because I am an empath and can FEEL when a chick moves into different emotional
states so I can relate to her from within her own state and effectively "vulcan
mind-meld" with her, turning the TWO of us into a SINGLE, functioning entity so
that I can dictate for US... to a degree.

a frequent situation is chicks asking me if I am single.  basically, I explain
to them that I am in an "open" relationship.  they practically INVARIABLY
disrespect my MLTR for being stupid. "how can she go for that?" "I would have
dumped you" "I would never let a man see other women"...  sooooo :)  I let them
go on and on and get it all out and completely ENTRENCH themselves in the DREAM
of them being with a man like me AND dumping me or CHANGING me or whatever
their BULLSHIT FANTASIES are at the time.  THEN I go into the BENEFITS of being
MY PRIMARY relationship... :)  when I stack up the LIST of BENEFITS and it
stacks HIGHER than those bitches have in their OWN RELATIONSHIPS RIGHT NOW,
they start thinking.  they think about what LITTLE they really have in their
relationships that MY MLTR is getting.  they think about the TRUST and
COMPANIONSHIP between us that they DON'T HAVE with their borefriends.  they
think about how she is SEXUALLY SATISFIED... DAILY if she wants it.  she has
someone to give her the REAL DEAL on how men are and what we want from
chicks... not someone that's going to keep playing her until he is finished
fucking her.  they ALSO see how the other bitches (like them in the near
future) come and go and MLTR CONSTANTLY receives the benefits of being with a
man that does EVERYTHING for her that she could want... for the MERE price of
NOT bailing because I fuck other chicks :)  once I break it down to them, ALLLL
I see on their faces is ENVY.  matter of fact, they tend to look EMBARRASSED
when I ask THEM about THEIR relationships.  oh, that reminds me... the bitches
that DON'T HAVE A MAN AT ALL fare the WORST in these situations.  my MLTR has
NEVER-ENDING SATISFACTION... they have STORIES of what they WOULD DO... IF
they could get a man AT ALL!  :)

chicks would rather have 20% of a WINNER than 100% of a LOSER!

>> Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
>>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
>>her last week, apparently).
>
>Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it
feels
>good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities.  So
>when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the
>potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. 

wow!  VERY powerful :)  I had really considered these to be apples and
oranges... pain of emotions after sex and pain of LOSS of the individual. 
however, discomfort is discomfort.  I quit giving UTILITY to this PIVOT I was
using because I realized she had ZERO self-esteem and not many other redeeming
qualities other than her looks.  she went from LJBF to NEXT overnight.  I had
been using her for a pivot because of her looks, but her lack of personality
started to wear on me and finally, she had to go.  no more hanging out, no more
phone calling, no more help with her love-life... nothing... cold turkey. 
completely FORGOT about her.  about a month or so later, the holiday season
comes around and she  A) calls me  B) tells me she bought me something for
christmas (I bought her NOTHING, not even a CARD and didn't bother to get one
when she told me she bought me something)  C) tells me she wants to bring it TO
my house, and  D) shows up with gift in hand, READY to socialize and spend time
with me.  

this is the SAME bitch that NEVER went in her purse to even OFFER to throw in
money when I used to use her for a pivot.  I didn't mind paying for her though
because the benefits I got from being out with an attractive chick that KNOWS I
am out to get OTHER bitches and facilitates that was well worth it :)  hehe... 
too bad for her, MLTR was over and I received her gift, talked to her for a
while (where she told me her recent "relationship" blew the fuck up in her face
:-) and then ejected her to keep having fun with MLTR.

I have been using outfoxer's style of letting bitches get involved in bullshit
relationships, TELLING THEM the relationships are bullshit then letting them
fall FLAT on their faces and come CRAWLING back to me :)  I just haven't added
the part yet where I get indignant that they are giving sex to CHUMPS that use
them like BITCHES and throw them away.  hehe it is fun enough at this point
just to hear about their FAILURES from the horses' mouths and see the sad looks
on their faces, while I am CONSTANTLY SMILING :)

what you described is BASICALLY what happened to her, except NOT in the sexual
content, but in the companionship content.  she THOUGHT she had a solid
position with me as my pivot, so she didn't feel like paying for anything
because she thought I NEEDED her, not WANTED her.  as soon as I didn't want her
anymore and dumped her from LJBF to NEXT, she was OK with it UNTIL her
relationship BACKFIRED... THEN she decides she wants to get back in good with
ME, which she can't do because I don't give a fuck about her and except for
looks, she can't compete with MLTR AT ALL!

the pain of loneliness overrides the emotional pain of sex without
committment... fascinating :)

>She's worried about
>pain, so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only
>losing out on the pleasure of screwing, BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER
>believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if
>she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE
>crack-up.
>
>  Once she accepts this, it's a done deal.

ok, this is interesting too.  "this is why you fucked up with your ex and I
feel the same way about that particular topic".  you are FORECASTING her
EJECTION unless she changes her ways.  she is still WITH YOU and has a chance
to do the right thing instead of getting ejected.  she already knows how it
feels to BE ejected by her EX and doesn't WANT to go through that pain AGAIN
with you.  you dictate to her HOW she could have avoided it with her EX and she
learns how to avoid it with you and gets in line.  this is another reason why
DICTATING what you REQUIRE from chicks is good, because they have the roadmap
to success or FAILURE with you.  as long as you have demonstrated personality
AND value BEFORE getting to this with her, she will be in a state of "how can I
get my hands on this guy... and KEEP him?" and then you will tell her what she
needs to do to be CONSIDERED amongst your TOP chicks and then is is up to her
to either fulfill her womanly duties or... as you predicted... get ejected and
feel the PAIN OF SEPERATION all over again with someone that she ALREADY knows
she WANTS to be with... WHATEVER the cost.

everyone has their price.  I find, most times, chicks are TALKING with no
EXPERIENCE.  a chick told me that she dumped her borefriend because he laughed
at her.  I told her that the sex must not have been good because otherwise she
would have had to use more than THAT to justify dumping an entire relationship.
 she CLAIMED that sex had nothing to do with her decision and that he didn't
RESPECT her was why she dumped him.  I told her that if the sex had been what
it is SUPPOSED to be... I GUARANTEE her that she would NOT have thrown THAT
away because of some laughing and disrespect.  I also proceeded to laugh at her
AND disrespect her IN HER FACE and told her I don't care because we are not
dating... she can't DUMP ME!   she never ADMITTED that I was right... BUT... by
the end of the conversation, she was asking me WHAT SHE SHOULD DO TO MAKE HER
LOVE LIFE BETTER!  :/  gotcha!

>>I  tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
>>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
>>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
>>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
>>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
>>alone!
>
> Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her
>"ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then
>accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be!  

yes.  I really have not been making the MOST of pacing and leading.  I have
been seeing where they ATTACH THEMSELVES to my way of thinking and see me as an
authority.  I have not used this to MAKE POLICY for them... merely to open
their minds and get them to think more efficiently.  you are right though. 
once you capture them... LEAD THEM!  make SOME efficient use of your new
followers... even if you were only practicing or passing time by capturing them
:)

excellent post :)

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

In article <92n7b9$146$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maniac_high@yahoo.com writes:

>After chick says bullshit about wanting to go to
>dinner and be friends or shit for 6 months before
>becoming a GF, I say: Actually, I dont go to dinner
>or stuff like that with ladies who are not my GF
>CHick:  gasps!
>Maniac: see, going to dinner, is an important step
>in a relationship for me. I only share it with someone
>special
>chick: Huh?
>Maniac: Well, let me put it this way, do you ever
>sleep with a guy who is just your friend, or dont
>care about?
>chick: of course not!

[lots of good use of Jake's shit snipped]

this is interesting, though I couldn't tell if this is something you are GOING
to do, or something you DID already.  either way, IF you are congruent, this
will serve you well as an alternate form of screening.  most of the time, I
screen by ASKING chicks shit and listening to their answers while watching
their faces and body-language.  another way to do it is to basically DICTATE to
them what I need to even CONSIDER being with a chick in any capacity
whatsoever.  most of the time I don't do this though because I can tell already
that the chick is worthless.  I usually get into DICTATION when she asks me
about myself.  am I attached?  what do I look for in a woman? etc.  THEN, since
she asked, I get into the reasons I have chosen women in the past and why I am
still with them in the present.  as I do that, I lay down my laws WITHOUT
telling the chick I am talking to that she needs to get in line with this shit
or get the fuck out of my face.  I have had a couple of chicks blow themselves
out after this.

I was talking to a chick that I know from YEARS ago that started calling me
again and talking about nothing.  I tolerated her for an hour or so on two
different days  A) because I was bored and  B) because through her speech
patterns and recurring ideas, I was learning if she was worth anything to me at
all, considering I get everything I want or need from MLTR in the first place,
she only had a VERY LIMITED use to me, as GOOD backup-pussy.  MLTR is smarter,
more interesting, more fun, less psychotic... basically TRUMPED her in all
areas, so this chick had NO CREDIT with me whatsoever.  I ended up getting into
PRECISELY what you did in your post.  the KICKER was when I told her "I don't
even TALK to girls that I don't want to fuck".  since I had not fucked her AND
had not suggested that we get together (she BELIEVES in monogamous
relationships for herself and even if she fucked me one time, it would be
merely to relieve her own personal stress and I am not going to be there for
her for that.  I am looking for MORE MLTRs... anything else can go fuck off.  I
laughed at her way of being AND broke it down to her why it was so stupid AND
let her know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that I was not going to be involved in
ANYTHING CLOSE to what she claims to want for herself... she can STAY HORNY for
all I care) she INTELLIGENTLY asked me WHY I was talking to her...  I let her
know that I found her amusing and her way of living ineffective.  I pointed out
to her that in the YEARS since I had spoken to her last, ALL she had to show
for it was a bungh of jibberish about WANTING a monogamous relationship that
she HAS NOT ATTAINED IN ALL THESE YEARS!  I let her know that I had predicted
that she would REMAIN dissatisfied for years to come and my talking to her
allowed me to follow her LACK of progress while, in the meantime, I get laid
EVERY DAY by MLTR :)   I have not heard from her SINCE that conversation...
good riddance.  she knew what she HAD to do if she wanted more of my time.  she
knew what she was going to have to do IF she wanted to socialize with me at
all.  she felt like her DEVOTION to the idea of a monogamous relationship with
a NON-EXISTANT man was more important than getting fucked by a guy that she
KNOWS and LIKES.  she is an idiot, and will remain horny UNTIL she fucks the
wrong guy, then has NO ONE to comfort her because I will not be there because
she had her chance and BLEW IT!

I have ZERO TOLERANCE for chicks that want things their way.  if they LIKE
doing things MY WAY, then they can be with me...maybe... for a while... as long
as they still LOOK HOT :)   when I approach chicks, I ASSUME they will fail the
screen because statistics show that I require A LOT from a chick and most of
them are either distracted by work or other relationships or just are not
QUALITY enough to be with me.  I find it amusing how ridiculous the SAME girls
are that I used to DESIRE to go out with and that I USED TO dislike being
rejected by.

now, I meet and REJECT girls daily.  not actively, just after I meet them, I
make NO EFFORT to remain in contact with them and go off to talk to other
chicks, leaving them wondering WHY I was interested enough to approach, but
BECAME DISINTERESTED and ejected for a SIMILARLY-GOOD-LOOKING bitch :)

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Psychological warfare to get psychicbabe to accept my
other GF, and then lay again!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:37:34 GMT

Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! a chick bullshit special! ]

This is a follow up to the Psychicbabe (a chick I Pu'd in
London) lay report, and how I handled various bullshit she
tried to give me the second time I met her.

[The story starts that psychicbabe is dying for a fuck, but
she wants me to get rid of my GF. I want to fuck her without
agreeing to her bullshit. The story is what happens, and how
I convince her to fuck finally without agreeing to her
bullshit]

Now, a few things before we begin. This report is full of
psychological combat, and other techniques which I used
to convince (successfully) this chick to fuck again by
the end of the night. Some might say that what I did
is maybe unfair.

Possibly, but keep in mind that this woman is unlike most
of the others I have laid in that:
a)this chick is a very highly educated, driven, professional
 career woman and earns likely a big 6 figure salary
b)she is very mature, focused and spends all day in her office
 surrounded by sharks and other pirrhana type scumbag characters
 (and kicking their asses by the likes of what she says) that
 are common in the industry she works in,.. so she is fully
 capable of taking care of herself.

Ok, on to the story!

First a quick recap from last time (see lay report on ASF).
I met her in London, we went around town. She told me she had
a BF, I told her I had a GF. Didn't seem to matter. Met her
again in Tokyo since she is here on business. Went to dinner
(which she paid). She wants to come over, I tell her I have
a GF at home now, she says 'so what', so we go to her hotel
and fuck all night. Great lay.

Now, fast forward to meeting #2. I meet her and we go to dinner
(which I pay, since now she is on fucking-terms with me).


The dinner is nice, romantic, she tells me how much she likes
me, and I tell her how much I like her, we are kissing alot.
She goes on to say how I am so intelligent, mature, interesting,
handsome..etc. (not true, but it means she is into me!)

After dinner, we head outside, and make out, and start feeling
her up, and she starts to go nuts and panting.

I tell her "I want you", but then she loses state, and she doesnt
want to go hotel, pulls me to go to some tea-bar. She is really
in a bad state, so I dont push it, I regroup my thoughts.

In the tea-bar, we sit on the couch. She really relaxes, and is
kissy touchy feely. She tells me she likes sex, but not today,
because she is "confused", and she never was so fast to start like
we did last time (haha! that is what they all say!).

Then, she flips and says she is just dying to fuck me (literaly says
that!), but first she is a bit confused... uh oh! chick bullshit
time! I learned from HBGeek that when this happens, such bullshit
must be confronted DIRECTLY, and with large amounts of force!

The immediate gold to take care of this, is to now make the
relationship very high stakes for her. I can do this because
I know that she is into me (from what she said at the dinner),
so the idea is to play it that if she doesnt do her job as a
chick.. she will lose EVERYTHING as far as I am concern.
Ok, that is the plan, here we go:

I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations
in relationship. I go on to tell her that other girls I know also
like me, ask me out alot, (doesn't matter if it is true or not,
but chick 'competition logic' will kick in, and it will scare
your mark to act). Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
her last week, apparently).

Ok, now Maniac has reached her head, and I take this deeper..
I go on to tell her that I dont want just sex, I want rocks and gold
I can get any girl in roppongi on a Saturday night and fuck her
(not exactly true, but she doesnt know this.. goal is just to
'confirm' her worst fears so that she acts), but its not enough for
me. I want connection, good sex, and romance, with an intelligent
woman, and that is why I want to date you (psychicbabe).

She seems to understand, she is lying against me on the couch as
I lick her ear. We finish our tea/drinks, and go.

Now we are out in the street, heading back. I know she is dying
for a fuck (she has said it like 3 times so far now), so I wait
for her and see what she will do. Just I start walking towards the
love-hotel area.

Then all of the sudden, she asks me about HBass (the chick staying
at my place over the holidays), and freaks out about it. I tell
her that she already knows all this, and exactly what is her point
here?

Then she stops again, and asks me if I am fucking her (maybe I
should have said no..., but I had already said yes to her about this
the first time I saw her)., she asks me why.. (I tell her because
I am seeing her! like I told you the first time! I mean what do
you expect?!?).

She then puts on her bitch face, and talks in a stern voice,
"then call me when you break her up, that is my decision, I am
going home.".


I tell her I am planning to break her up (which is true) later, so
it is nothing you should worry about. she gets upset, and starts
screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
just like her ex-bf, getting other girls while dating her, and how
all guys just want sex..etc..


Then she says.. ok, if you let me meet your GF at your house
tonight, then I will let you have sex with me. [ha! I got her!]
I bounce back, and say, "what exactly makes you think I am
desperate to have sex with you tonight?! Do you think I am
just some stupid guy and you can manipulate me like that?
No, you will not meet my GF, it is disrespectful to her to do
that. You know the situation, it was clear to you from the
beginning, and you accepted it. There is no more to talk about.
I am not here only for sex, I can get that anywhere. Sex only
of itself is of little value to me, I want more than that.

I then bring out the nuclear weapons! My tonality is very firm,
and I eye fuck her, while telling her the following. First, I tell
her that I already told her about my GF, she was clear about it
right from the start, and she has NO excuse. Then I go on to tell
her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
that did NOT happen. So do NOT compare me to your ex. I am a
different person, and EXCEPT better treatment than that if you
ever want to see me again. She starts crying more, and hugging
again.

I put her against wall, and tell her not to complain about me like
I am her ex, I a am different person than he is.

I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
alone!

she cries, and says that is so true, that is her problem, she never
takes the chance and loses out because she doesn't make the
move on taken guys. Then I run my 'take chances routine' (if you take
a chance, in the end, the result is usually good, but if you don't,
just you get left behind, by yourself).. she cries more, says she
needs to take the chance, and doesnt want to be alone.

She says she has to be careful, that all guys want just sex, and
bitches about this for about 30 seconds.

Now I start the 'you need me, I dont need you..you think I just want
only sex, then you dont understand me at all.. if you think that is
what I am only, then you do NOT deserve me.. I do no need you to go out
with me if that is what you think I am.. I want connection, sex,
passion, and closeness.. and if you haven't figured that out about
me yet, then get another guy, because you dont understand me at all..
..you think I am just some cheap guy. I can get a girl who understands
me, I don't need this.. (this routine is great.. because it is what
chicks do to us all the time!.. the idea is to convey that she NEEDS
you, far more than YOU need her!) I am against her on the outside wall
of a building, staring her right in her eyes as I am saying this, and
she is looking up to me.

I go on to say (call more bullshit time!) "you knew the situation from
the very very beginning, and you had a BF when we first dated, and I
was honest with you. so dont comapare me to your ex, or any of this..
you are not fair to me and you try to DISRESPECT me, I will NOT
tolerate it. She is looking up, right at me, and her eyes are blinking
alot. She is deferring to me now..

I passionately dive in to kiss her, and she is VERY passionate, I put
my leg between hers, and she is shaking and panting, and getting very
very excited, while I feel her up more.

[Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too
much)
of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this.. What I am
doing, is
applying that right/left brain stuff I learned last week, and trying to
set off an emotional storm in her right side, bypassing the left (since
this is all so illogical, the leftside would never be able to process
it!) I push into the right brain,  drive the emotions, forget the
logic,
that is how the right brain works! ]

I am doing this, because I know the left (logic) and right (emotions,
passion) are fighting each other..they have been all night. Because the
left doesn't accept the logic of the situation, but I know the right
side
dying for a shag,..she is trying to rationaize going out with a taken
guy,
but I have gotten her so excited tonight, that she needs that fuck.

Now she is all fucked up in her head, it is really funny, as her mood is
changeing as she switches from rational thinking (left) to emotional
(wanna fuck) and back again, now quickly every few minutes, from arguing
with me, to passionate feeling up and kissing, and back again.
what a head case!]

As I touch her side of face, she goes doggy look, I kiss her, and she
gets like screambabe, panting. I put leg between her, she widens, goes
nuts totally. I ask her she likes me (in a tell her sort of way' you like
me..'), she replies 'yes'. I say (stare her down) .. she asks "what should I
do?" I say in a very strn fatherly voice while staring her down 4 inches from
her head.. you will follow me..that is what you will do.. and you will
do what I say. 'she says, 'I will'. I tongue her down more, run her
crotch, she almost cums right there, then I take her to a love hotel (her first
time!), no resistance what so ever.

We get there, she takes off all her clothes immediately once we get into
the room, except bra/panty, and waits for me on the bed while I wash my
hands.etc. I dont even have to ask her to get ready..she just does
because she knows what is come.

I get in the bed, and we go right at it, she is shouting and screaming
within 5 seconds 'oh I really needed that, fuck! I want it so much, I need it
so much!, fuck me!' [it is hilarious how much this chick was gagging for
it so much!  and that she even thought for a SECOND that she could get her
bullshit past me]

As I am fucking her, I am putting things in her head, like D.Shades
reports. I tell her as she is screaming it feels deeper and deeper, closer and
closer. She is going nuts will I am fucking her.

I tell her, "I love you librarian chicks, you let it build and build
inside, and then it all just EXPLODES at once".. she is eating it in, and going
crazy all over the bed.

I stare her down, and I tell her you need me (during sex), she says yes.
I tell her from now on you will follow me, and do what I say. She says
'yes, I will'. I continue doing her, she says "it feels SO good, I
really need that, I really want it, i love you inside me!".. she is fucking
like a wild animal, loud voice, shouting and screaming, oh, I want it, give it
to me, I want to come!

We finish the first session. I kid her about her shouting. She replies
"it is a love hotel, so I am allowed to scream as much as I want". I
reply, "I see, so you have been waiting a long time to let it all out..
librarians ;-)". [she is not really a librarian, but I told her the "outside
conservative looking girls are the wildest fucks story.. like the librarian kind of
chick, and this joke has been running between us since we last met]. We both
laugh.

I am lying by her on the side of the bed, and I ask her (loaded NLP
question here) why you like me, beause I am not controllable, or just so
seductive with my voice and character? Or maybe you like it because I understand
you so well, or because we connect so well.

She replies "it is because we connect so well, because I understand her
so well, and am so energetic" (yep, that is why you need to fuck them
GOOD! ;-) )

Then she tells me anything is ok as long as I dont hate her..she doesnt
want me to hate her. She wants me to hold/hug her, she cries a bit, then is
ok again (seems to be thinking of her old bf she says). I touch her
more, face goes totally doggy look, and finger her, she goes nuts, we start
fucking again.

Her back is on the bed, and I am fucking her missionary, her legs are
spread and wide in the air, which I am holding. I tell her "see, I control
you, I go deep in your body because it is the one way to reach you totally
deep in your mind which no one else can do. By conquering your body, I can
conquer your mind (then I drill her a bit more after I finish the sentence so
she goes more crazy). I play with your body because it lets me control
your mind (then drill her some more..ha, it is like the ultimate form of
reward hypnosis). The chick is going totally fucking nuts as I start saying
this. Mouth open..panting. more fuck, goes totally fucking nuts and screaming.
We finish second session.

We are lying down again, she says, you understand women very much. Why
is that? I tell her that when I was young, I was awful with women, so I
read lots of books.. then I pause and say "but they were written by a bunch
of clueless psychologists, and were all wrong!..  why is that? (I grin)
So I relearned everything again in real life!"

I ask her, so why you like me. She says she says, you are decisive and
sometimes I am indecisive, so you make it easy for me. I want the guy
to make it easy for me to decide what to do (important clue here Maniac!
maybe most chicks are like this! Maybe this too is where I fucked up
with HB Geek!)

We do a third session, it is much like the other two.

We wrap up, she says she likes love hotels, and would like to see me
again before she has to leave, and we each take cabs back to our places.


Moral of the story.. keep your ground.. call all chick bullshit
DIRECTLY. Make the chick risk fear losing the relationship if she doesn't
capitulate and chances are she will back down, in spite of how it looks (and I
could do this BECAUSE I had other choices.. another reason to be fucking
several chicks at once). As well, it seemed that she was giving me all the
bullshit in part because she WANTED me to call her on it, and then fuck her good
at the end of the night, which I obliged.

I also learned that the left (logic, speak) right (passion) brain model
works very well to understand chick logic. The left brain is the gate keeper to
the right brain (the part of the brain which is like a guy.. wants to fuck). You
have to break though the left side, and reach the right.. do that (either with
confusion, emotional talk/stories/NLP..etc) and that chick will break
and let you fuck her (again, here is where I failed with HB geek that
other week).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

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Maniac refines his lay system on two double back to back
nights of first lays.




From: Maniac High 
Newsgroup: Alt.Seduction.Fast
Date: May 7,2000
Subject: Lay Report! Nursebabe takes her medicine!


Lay Report! Nursebabe bends over and takes her medicine!
000502

This is the second part of  yet another  lay report double 
feature, as this morning, after kicking out Karate Babe, I took 
the afternoon off, and then had an evening (and into the next 
morning) with Nursebabe. For those of you who remember, a 
few weeks ago, I posted up a "Challenge Report" regarding 
Nursebabe, a chick I met who was sexy, but not particularly 
in control of her schedule. 

This double feature is interesting to me, because Karatebabe 
and Nursebabe are two very different types of chicks, so each 
required slightly different techniques to bag. Compared to 
Karatebabe, who is very intelligent,  nursebabe isn't 
particularly a bright light, so using the "logical/fear" 
approach I used on karatebabe was unlikely to work on 
nursebabe. Nursebabe is your typical big tits, firm body 
bimbo. Not LTR material, but fun nevertheless. Lets look at 
what I did after that first challenge report to get to the lay..

Here we go:
After the challenge report, I met her again once and she told 
me that there was a party she wanted me to go to at the last 
minute for one of her friends. I wasnt prepared, and got 
jerked into this. That was a fuckup. I never want to go to 
events that have other friends of chicks I am trying to lay, 
because there is a lot of uncontrollable variables (one her 
friends might not like me, and discourage her, or some guy 
may make be look bad, or someone might know me, . or it 
may be boring and I will look bored, it is hard to get the chick 
out of the party without all her friends wanting to come 
along, and then get dragged to a coffeeshop/bar.then her 
friends drag her (to her) home without me. whatever.just 
its an uncontrollable situation, and its bad.. I try to never 
meet a chick under such circumstances). 

Sure enough, that is exactly what happened, she wanted to 
stay with her friends, and then they all wanted to walk back to 
the trainstation to go home together. no way to really 
extract her cleanly. So what I did do, is try to extract her 
(which of course she couldn't, since she was with her 
friends), and then did the "do you really like me routine, I am 
not sure, as you always have to leave early/dont pay attention 
to me" (ie. the same shit chicks do to us). I made her feel 
guilty as shit, and then told her if she wants to see me again, 
then she has to show I am more important by having a free 
evening for only the two of us together, no friends, no going 
home early for 5am shift.no shit like that. I just laid the line 
down to her if she wanted to see me again. I told her that I 
wanted to show  my "favorite"  Izakaya (small Japanese 
drinking bar) near my house to her. This is a nice way to get 
her to very close to my place, and allows her to use her "chick 
logic" to say to herself  "I am not going to fuck him, just I am 
going to drinks. oh, but now I am near his house, ..oh, and 
he asked me to go see. oh, ok, ..oh, we are kissing.oh, we 
are petting.oh now I am getting fucked.oh, but I like it,. 
well it wasnt my fault.I didn't do anything and couldnt help 
it..it just happened".. Isn't chick logic wonderful ;-)

Sure enough, she came up with exactly what I asked for, and 
let me have Saturday (into Sunday) the following week. First 
she was busy in the day, but not the night, but then got the 
day work schedule cancelled. She wanted to meet me in the 
afternoon, but I didn't want to do that, because then you are 
stuck with a chick for 4 hours, and it is hard to get her home 
to fuck in the day. much easier in the evening. So I told her 
that I was already busy in the day (I wasnt really), since she 
said she would be busy in the day, and could meet her at 8pm.

8pm is nice, because it is too late for supper really, so a chick 
cant try to drag you to a restaurant. Also, it is late enough, 
that it implies what is going to happen if she shows up to this 
date. Sure enough, when nursebabe showed up, she brought a 
small backpack with her, like karatechick did the night 
before, implying that she was intending to spend the night 
(and fuck). That just means that I had to not fuck up, and I 
could get the lay (again, like with karatebabe the night 
before).

Before meeting her, I did like with karatebabe, and thought 
the plan for the evening what what I will talk about (3 or 4 
topics), in case I stall, or in case conversations start to go in 
the wrong direction. I find that preparing this ahead of time 
makes all the world of difference. 

I decided the themes for nursebabe would be "language 
barrier, but surprising how we could feel so close/special", 
and "fun doing things together that we like together..referring 
to the past meetings we had". Anything deeper would confuse 
nursebabe I was afraid..

I arrive at the station area few minutes early, but walk around 
in the streets nearby (I will arrive a few minutes late at the 
train station intentionally). I make sure I am calm, and know 
the "themes" to talk about, and review the plan to get her 
over. I also find myself using RJ's famous "I make no excuses 
for my desires as a man" line a couple times, and seeing how 
it makes me really calm, that I dont have to be nervous to 
meet a chick.any chick, including this one., and that it is up 
to the chick to "impress me!", if she wants to have my 
attention, and that includes her having to sleep with me...
I spend about 10 minutes thinking about that while walking 
around nearby.

I show up a couple minutes late at the train station (I do this, 
because, it is anti supplicative, and also it means that I can 
approach the chick, and hug/kiss her, like Taro-san says. If I 
am the one waiting, and she is walking out of the station to 
see me, this is more awkward somehow. so better she be the 
one waiting..).

I meet nursebabe, and hug/kiss her.. No problem, and we take 
hands and start walking. Now one thing I did with the last 
two chicks (HB Vamp, and Karatebabe), is rather than go to 
the house right away (and risk a freakout when I make 
moves), I take them to an "Izakaya" (a tiny drinking bar that 
has light foods too, like yakitori..etc), first, which is near my 
house. This loosens them up, and I can do kino/kissing and 
get them ready to take back to my place. I learned this, 
because HB vamp told me that time she came to my house the 
first time, she wanted me, but we went directly home, and she 
felt "nervous" somehow, like it was too sudden. Now, by 
going to Izakaya (which of course we can sit at the bar, so I 
can sit next to the chick, and kino/kiss her), this lets me go 
from the initial meeting, to kissing and kino (plus 1 drink or 
two to loosen up the chick).now the chick is MUCH MORE 
ready to go home and fuck after all that touching.

Since Nursebabe is a dumb chick, I couldnt really have deep 
conversations with her, and NLP was definitely out of the 
question (doesnt work on dumb people as far as I can tell). So 
I did what smooth does, talk about being friends, and close, 
and pouring on SHITLOADS of kino, my hands on her 
shoulders, then legs, then up thighs more, then holding 
hands. We talked about stupid stuff like her work schedule, 
and how it is so tiring for her, and how it is good to relax 
sometimes and forget all your troubles..etc. ..all the while, 
pouring on the kino..

Then I got her to compliment me on something (studying my 
Japanese hard so I can talk to her (nursebabe cant speak 
english), and then got her to kiss me on the cheek for that, 
then I had her give me a real kiss, which turned into a 
tonguedown.).  I remarked how it was surprising we could 
understand each other so well, even though my Japanese was 
not so great, then went in for another deep kiss to express 
that. 

After that, I figured she was ready, so we ordered one last 
drink (we shared, that way if she stalls the drink, I can finish 
it for her, and get her out), drank it and left. Now by this 
point, like karatebabe the night before, she KNEW what was 
coming next, and I didnt even have to ask her to come over, 
she just walked out of the bar, and started heading in the 
direction of the house (versus asking "what next", or head the 
direction of the trainstation). I took her hand, and we walked 
back to the house, stopping to kiss a couple times along the 
way, to make sure she didnt lose the mood.

Once we got to the house, I turned up the lights, and put on 
some pop music album (I found that dim lights and romantic 
music, at first, scares the chick somehow, like happened to 
Ms. Sparkles in that fuckup report from last year). So this is 
casual, and bright. I do however, have the right music already 
setup in the bedroom upstairs (Best of Andre Gangnon 74 
minutes long). 

I gesture nursebabe to the couch (it is only a 2 seater now, as I 
took out the middle section and took it upstairs, so now the 
chick MUST sit close to me), and I start kissing her and 
feeling her up a bit. There is some resistance, so I just ask her 
"do you like me". Of course she says Yes.  Now some 
people might say this is supplication, but I dont think so. 
because, if you did the kissing, kino right, you KNOW what 
the answer will be, and her saying it, confirms it in her mind, 
for what is about to happen next. And also, the chick is also 
thinkingto ask (and often does) the same thing (does the guy 
like me, or does he just want to play me and dump me after). 
By asking her first, this throws her off, and also, "confirms" 
your "sincere" intentions. 

After she said yes, then I moved right to some tit action, and 
had no resistance.. We pet and play for about 5 minutes, and I 
ask her in a soft voice again "you like me", she replies in a 
soft voice, "yes". I say "ok" softly, take her hand and lead her 
upstairs to the tatami mat bedroom.

I turn on the music, soft light, kiss her, and immediately start 
undressing her, in a slow romantic kind of way, while 
touching her all over at the same time.top goes off, bra,, and 
I start massaging/kissing her breasts. Then I lie her gently on 
the mat, pull off the skirt/panties and start kissing 
her/massaging her all over, and get to fingering her. It is easy 
to make her cum, so I have her cum once. Then I put on the 
condom and fuck her, and make her cum again..

We hug and rest (she is shitty at massage, and the "little 
things" that count, but most dumb chicks are actually). Later 
I fuck her again silly, and then we go to sleep.

The next morning, she is a bit chilly, wants to watch TV 
(turned it on even without asking, downstairs), which was a 
bit annoying, I joke with her about TV being more important 
than me, but really, I expect this, as less bright chicks often 
do shit like this without thinking. She says she wants to see 
me again, I say I do too (I would like to get her maybe 2 or 3 
more times), and I send her out.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome, as usual!

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Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060$0n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Random tidbits of insight and highlights from the Diary:
These are things I learned/discovered during my research over the
past year, which I noted.


A work in progress, Maniac High



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-->How to become a PUA
-At first, you will suck, totally. Many people will say, 'just get field experience'.
That may work for some people, but it didn't work for me (just you make the same
stalls and fuckups over and over, get more and more nervous, and lose your confidence).
For some people, just 'try' will work, if you already have some natural skill at
PU, or social skills. If you dont (as was my case), this is unlikely to work.

So we will do this differently. We will use the scientific method of research, to
gain skill to become a PUA. Below are the steps:
-First you will read any and all material on PU, that means ASF, pickupguide,
layguide, fs101. Before you can do any PU experiments, you must understand the 
subject matter. You will devote your life to this, all of your free time, to reading
lay/fuckup reports, and getting general background that will help you to recognize
situations when you run into them.

-After that, you will go out into the field. At first it is very unlikely that
you will succeed (at all!) in the field. For now, just spend 1 or 2 hours a
day in the field. You will then use the rest of the time for analysis of those 1
or 2 hours, and analyse what you did, what you did right/wrong, and in that situation
(any situation you got that day), how you could have done it better. You will 
review it, and learn it. Then you will go out the next day and repeat.

This is important, because if you just PU all day/night without the analysis,
you wont know what you are doing right/wrong, and will just fail in the same way
day after day. The analysis will help you fix that.

Eventually, as your skills get better (it will take several months of going out
every day), the analysis time will get shorter, and actual field time will get
longer as basic field issues wont fuck you up as much, and you will handle things
quicker and more naturally. 

I will warn you though, it will take a long time (it took me several years), 
however in my case I was seriously socially fucked up retarded.

5/24/2002

-->Logic and feelings
-When doing PU, don't ever do something, and except the chick to
do what is obviously logically in her best interest... SHE WONT.
Chicks will do whatever feels best, irregardless of how good or
bad it may be for them. This is why chicks will go out with playboys
and not with the 'nice guys' who will be honest with them.

Don't do an action and expect the chick to behave 'as one would
expect'.... she wont. You must push the chick *at all times* by
her feelings and 'natural way'. Then you can nail her. If you
expect the chick to go out with you because you are smart, and
can take care of her (versus jerk) who won't... she will pick
the jerk if he is more fun, or more relaxing..

She will look at the feelings, not the tangibles (note, this
will change when she considers to get married though.. then
she will be rational for the husband (while still playing the
BFs on the side, that are more fun).
5/23/2002 Thursday

-->tell sex stories as last resort before blowout (maybe
at cofee shop?), ie artbabe..
blow her out in way that you are still very attractive
even after blowout.

chicks will try to take rocks for free (like guys
like to take gold for free), a la ArtBabe, so need to
defend against it, and call the bullshit right away.
often must enforce with chicks because they are
used to meeting adn talking and 'go slow (means go
not at all) enjoying the free rocks. especially be
ware of chicks to try to lead the date (where to go,
what to do/meet her friends) early on.. that is
a big warning sign that it is this kind of chick.
It could be an HB, or an UG.. but she is 
already enjoying the rocks, and doesnt care about
giving you the gold.. she is already using the rocks
you gave her,  rather than expecting more.

chicks are not logical.. completely emotional.
So they will do things that are completely self
destructive, because they have not thought it through
at all. (ie. a chick wants you, but will meet you
at 8pm, rather than 7, and then not have time to
fuck.. or will take the rocks, and not realize you
are about to blow her out for doing so, and will
be 'genuinly* surprised when you do, even if you
warned her before... there is no thinking of 
consequences of actions when chicks think, nor thinking
of how to connect where they are/what they are doing,
to where they want to be/how they want to feel...
there is no planning.. it is like 4 year old child,
so you must lead all of it. that is why a chick who
insists to lead, is trouble... because she will never
get to where you want to go... she will wander in
random directions (and waste all your time) while
playing with the rocks she's got, and never go in
a dirction (unless she randomly gets there) to give
the gold... she'll never realize either that failing to
do so, means that rocks that she likes so much, will
soon disappear as a consequence, since that requires
logic, and thinking a process through a timeline,
and considering its consequences... chicks CANNOT
do this..

like actions to feeling.. (a tip to bypass this),
what you feel now..

-->First coffeeshop shibuya outing (solo)
-Did picture routine (I am doing play, which you like)
 -This opener worked very well, 2 out of 2, normal pair, and ko-gyaru pair
 -Normal pair chicks were already looking at pictures on the table 
  even before I opened my mouth
-Should get samba picture (Rio) and normal Empire St. Bldg picture,
 and my/Artbabe's art (want 7 sets of pictures total).. can use this to
 pace the PU
-Pictures are good because they let me control stalls, and slow down
 PU pace so I can think next topic. Eventually, I should be able to
 do without the pictures/only talk about her bag..etc/street PU..but
 for practice at the beginning, we use the pictures

-Later once talking is more natural
-->Idea for new coffeeshop plan
-Picture opener
-Why you like picture? (1 or 2)
-It is for dance show
-Next picture
-I am artist/photographer
-I took the pictures
-NYC -vs- Rio
-You ever go NYC
-Do you want to go?
-Gaijin friends?
-ARtBabe's art
-You look stylish (get laugh from her)
-What you doing here in Shibuya?
-What are you doing after this?
-Artbabe picture (or adv-romantic picture)
-are you adventurous or romantic?
-Do you like art?, it is way to express/share natural feeling/each other
-..regular newMP (as much as possible today, then close)



-->Chicks and logic
Chicks are about as logical as 8 year goods when planning
strategy. This can be good (because their plans will be
easily obvious (chick: smile.. please buy me a beer, 
kid: smile, please buy me a toy), and easy to spot out.
On the other hand, for the same reason, they will think that
these stupid plans will work (maybe with AFC's they do),
and they will try all sorts of stupid shit like this, and
it will just piss you off that they are trying such bone
headed stuff.

-->Chicks and requests
When a chick already asks you favors/what she wants even
BEFORE she has already gone out with you once or twice.
this is a very very bad sign. She is just using you for
something, and is not interested in you at all (if she
was, then she wouldnt risk losing you by trying her
petty shit (ie. I want to go eat at this italian restaurant,
or she brings her friends uninvited, or asks you to get
something for her on the way to meet her, or to meet you
when doing her shopping, or something else equally lame
which is just disrespectful to you..)

-->Chick brings her uninvited friend and says 'she is pretty'
so you will like her, so dont worry.
THis is very bad, it means:
-your target doesnt see you as a man (or she wouldnt risk
 losing you to her friend)
-your target doesnt really believe her friend is that 
 pretty (so she wont be competition if she really does like 
 you)
-your target is just using you to impress her friend
-these all mean that YOU are not her focus tonight.. you
 should call her bullshit immediately, and if that fails
 (ie. if she doesnt get the clue/stop the bullshit), then
 you should bail ASAP (which is what I did in the case of that
 selfish W.S. Roppongi chick). For good measure you can send her
 a message saying clearly how she fucked up and how she should
 behave for the next guy.

-->HBAss, after I said no, then power balance restored
 (ie. she was afraid to lose me) and then would fuck
 (well) again.

-->To do multiple chicks at once without getting 'stuck'
to any of them: talk about wanting to be comfortable
and that you never know the future. NEVER promise
 relationships (just you want to be comfortable now,
and dont know the future.. follow natural, that is
the right way), then she can dream what she wants
(and will continue that), but back in real life,
things will always stay casual like they were at
first, and never get too deep

-->See a chick once, maybe twice a week, if more than
that you are likely to get stuck with a too deep
relationship with her. If you are not always available
then she will be a bit more uneasy, and behave better
as a chick and fuck better.

-->Some chicks see sex and relationship as seperate
 (artbabe). DOnt get too deep with these chicks, or
 imply relationship, or they will run!

-->You always want to be in controlled situation (ie. where you
 can talk/enter/exit at will with any chick. Any situations which
 are not controllable (ie. being with a chick on a train (who is
 not target you want to pull off of the train), or within lessons,
 is more difficult because in the blank time lags, you will not look
 in control, and just look stupid/not talking. You wwant chicks only
 memory of you to be when you are in control and making her feel good.
 You never want her to be dreaming of other things/people around you,
 because of 'down/blanktime' like waiting for trains, in noisy stations,
 etc, where there are interruptions.

 HBAfro, LezCurious, NurseBabe, Artbabe were all pulled in 'party' situations
 that I could enter/exit freely. In the case of HBVamp and LezCurious,
 I did not pay any particular attention to them first before talking with
 them first in a private dance(LezCurios)/beer situation (HBVamp). Chicks
 you meet (and talk to) within a lesson you are very unlikely to 
 make it with. Better to just be seen, otherwise ignore them, and then
 make the move to get her to someplace else as soon as you can, and
 then ignore her again after the date is made (or leave) if it is a
 controlled situation like a lesson or practice where you cannot control
 talking without interruption, or entries or exit, where you look 
 silly walking around/waiting/practising.

-->To get control of reputation in group setting (dance group, work),
 so that girls will see you as a guy. The key is to play off the jealousy
 of the chicks. So what you need to do is get 1 chick interested in you
 (conventionally). Then use her in front of the other chicks, so they
 see/hear she likes you (even if only casually.. the other chicks wont
 know that, and will suspect the worst). Then joke with the other chicks
 about being in the bathroom too long, chatting (embarrassing thing),
 or how you need to be protected from other chicks..etc... how they
 are short..etc. That will soon play off on that target, and then you
 can use her the same way (along with your first one), to finally nab
 all the rest, and get them into your psychological 'harem'. 

 The hardest part is getting the first chick, so try a few (one at a time,
 as it turns out they all talk to each other, so if you do simultaneously,
 to go slowly with each one..)


5/22/2002 Wendesday
-->Good way to say 'no', to chick bullshit without it being conscience

chick: lets go to this club (I dont want to go to any club, I want to
 go to a hotel and fuck her), but I cant say 'no' directly, or she'll
 insist to go to the club, then fight.. rather, I wantto go to park
 with her, and if she behaves, take her to hotel and fuck her, or 
 bail... i dont under any circumstance want to go to the club (ARtbabe).

c: lets go to this club after supper
m: its too early, lets go for a walk instead, I dont want to stayu
 out too late
 (of course, if yu think this through, it means,m there is no way
 you go to the club.. cuz, it is too early for club, and you are not
 staing out late (unless she drops the pantiesQ!), so = no club,
 but not said directly, so no fight. then if she miss behaves in the
 park.. say 'sorry, its late as I said, gotta go).


(5/20/2002)

-->Tests for chicks:
-So how do you feel when you xxx (kiss/touch/are touched/hold/hug) me?
  (this is set up to do the next step (kiss, feelup..etc)

-->Various 'kino'/body gags you can do (part of relax the chick), usually
in closed group settings. This gets chicks used to you to kino and touching,
and will enable PUs in groups (works in party/bar settings)
Idea is to get her to be used to you to be touched (and then use this in
front of other girls, to get them hooked on it too/wanting it too lest they
feel left out)
-big eyes and smile
-hand grabs in the air
-big waves (with big eyes)
-bump her bottom
-eye squints
-CK gesture with smile
-Hello, my name is xxx (even though she already knows you), can I sit here
 (pachi pachi eyes)
-pachi pachi eyes, look at her place/drink (gesture for it).
-Oooh, you are so sweet (yosh yosh on head pat)
-You seem like nice girl, can I sit next to you? (pachi pachi)


-->If a chick is not reacting well to your PU, it just means that you need to
make more effort in the PU (being nice, paying attention and more attractive)...
... TO THE OTHER CHICKS AROUND HER! (that will make her jealous, and then you
can go back to her later).

-->Avoid losing face/glare/freakouts:
The idea is to always test before progress, ie kiss first (then ask to go for the
walk, not the other way around (if you kissed her once before), then feel up,
then take her back to your place.. that way, there is never a chance for you to lose 
face..if I ask you to meet me, do you do that? if I ask you to see me later, do
you.. if I ask you to go for a walk do you?
ie: with HBILikeSexy:
-CK
-Do you like me
-KC
-Come outside a short time with me
-Take her
-KC
-Do you like me
-Feel her up
-Do you want to spend time with me?
-Meet me at xxx time/place


-->KC'ing HBIlikeSexy (again) in Kobe
-After you want a kiss, it your Bday, I see her again in Kobe
-I get kino started (like before)
-I joke about that guy who likes her
-I ask her if she likes to dance with me (c:yes)
-I ask her if she likes me (c:yes)
-I gesture a few CK's
-I kampai to new year, and debut
-I joke about sexy girl
-I sit by her joke (hello, my name is xxx, you look nice can I sit next to you?)
-I hold her chin a few times (she doesnt recoil) and move close when talking
-I kampai to the new year of success, and take her face and KC
-I dance, and try KC at end.. fails, (was too sudden)
-WHen she leaves, I angry to her for not saying good by, she hugs, and I KC her
 again.


-->Lay report, HBDanceBabe

Highlights. She came late, but made it easy for me, by still coming, making
an effort to look nice and offering to take a cab to go back after (time
limit gone). Going to the other Izakaya near river was good, as it got
her away more from the station so she would be less likely to change her mind and
take the train back. The new MP worked basically as stated.. it was clock
work, and the chick didn't need to say much. We got stuck on 'dance' topics
a bit at the start (and near the end before the close), but I could switch
that back to 'understanding people though dance', and how people relate to
each other. I used counters at both places, so kino was good.

I got a few CK's (cheek kiss) when I ask her what she learned about me/thought
about me, and gestured for CKs after a few (got 2 or 3 CKs).

To do the first KC, I said, that you have to follow natural pace, and
people who say 'sex on date 4, kc on date 2', I dont respect. Because I
want them to follow what is natural, if its faster, ok, or if its slower
ok, like if I feel I want to touch you, and it is right for you, then it
is good (do you like to be touched c:yes), so it is natural, or if we want
to hold hand, just do (c: it is nice too), can you understand (c: yes).

She says she liked me, so was happy to go on this date date; I said its
not date, just natural.. no stress, dont call it a date, that implies
checking, thinking, interviewing... just we are out for beer, and if
we are just friends, that is destiny, then just follow that, and if it
is something warmer (step up kino, and hand holding), and I feel
I want to touch you (touch her face), or kiss, then we do naturally (I
gesture a KC, and get it). 

You are nice, it feels nice. Then each time she says something nice about
me, or I like her, I gesture another KC.. got about 6 or 7.

used fate, how we see so many things like, it is first time for me
to feel so nautral, comfortable.

To get her home to my place, I said I really want to dance with you,
that is way I can communicate, in a different way besides talk and touch.
Dance is human expression of music, so I want to share it together.

Using 'lets dance for 20 minutes before you leave' was also
a really good move. At home, she was still a bit uneasy, so I did a dance,
then KC, then hug, and against the wall a bit, with more kissing, then
another dance (wash rince repeat), till she would be more calm/easy 
to hold me/relaxed. then I did long KC, (no tonguedown, she says she
is bad at kissing.. I told her it is like dance: a form of
communication, so technique and varation is not important, it is 
what you communicate which is important and the feeling tied to it).
So that is all that matters (about kiss). Then longer KC, and I went to
the neck (got a bit stuck on lips). this got reaction, and I could outside
feel up body/tits, this went for a bit. Once she was comfortable, I took risk
and unsnap bra.. no resistance.. she got excited when I went for nipples,
did that for a while, and brushed her outside pussy (slight resistance
by arm.. wash rinse repeat 3 or 4 times, and then went inside the stockings
for the kill.. that got her excited alot. Then repeat, fingering her,
then let us 'both fall' to the carpet gently, lie her down, and finger
her/lick nipples/neck, till she is nuts. 

Ask her if she like me 'c: I dont know'. ask her if she can follow me/trust
me. (c: I will). She says lightly (its not fair).
do more fingering a bit, condom on while still fingering (no pause in 
fignering so she doesnt lose state). I want you to trust me (c: ok), 
fingering, and dick in right away, fuck starts..

-Points about her:
  -She likes gardening
  -She doesnt want to be called 'chan' because she is mother to her friends, leader, top
  -she wants to make her own money and be strong
  -she likes other woman and want to be their mother
  -I think she is a bit S, but for sex, M?
  -She likes dance and sees things same way as me.
  -She is bad to talk, but easy with me
  -she likes piano, jazz ballet 
  -first sex since a while she says
  -she had 'bf' till dec, but he never KC/sex her though (odd! not a bf!)



SHe said she was 'kowai' about sex, but didnt physically resist
much, though I did make some pauses to restate that I want her to be 
comfortable, and that she can stop me any time and I will stop right away,
just I want us to feel comfortable. AFter that, fuck was easy.


020508 (wed)
-->If you do something quickly/as surprise to chick (ie. a KC), she 
will act as naturally programmed by habit (ie. avoid the kc), even if
she really wanted to KC you. So in that case, you go slow, and ask first,
so that she can process, and not do the habit.

This can work to your advantage too, if a chick DOES something she would
ordinarily do, but you use it in an unusual context, where otherwise she
wouldn't have (ie. in romantic setting, do a KC)


-->HBIlikeH
-Looks like 'conservative Japanese girl'
-LIE: SHE FUCKED A GUY FROM A BAR, THE SAME NIGHT IN EUROPE
-SHE DOESNT REMEMBER IF SHE USED A CONDOM

-Said 'I never did anything like ONS'
-LIE!

-Said' I only have long term BF'
-LIE! BRAIN ONE WAY, BODY OTHER!

-DO NOT BELIEVE THIS BULLSHIT... ALL CHICKS DO IT!!

020503 (friday)
-->Phone calls and uncontrolled situations
Everytime you are going into uncontrolled situation, your chance of
losing the chick is very HIGH!

This goes for phone calls, if you do not get her the first time,
at a time she is not busy/with friends/on the train, by chance, then
you are at a very high chance to lose her. Because you don't know
her situation/attitude then, and if it is wrong/situation, you can
do NOTHING to fix it, and whatever you do, you will look WEAK!

So two ways to avoid this. 
1: use email to establish the first
contact (she will reply you when she is free). or 
2: set the next meeting, when you are at the first meeting/opener
 if you can. If you fail, then go to 1: above.



-->What I want from a chick

-sexy body 
-height/width match
-thin and pretty
-nice bottom
-likes to look/dress sexy
-likes wierd stuff
-positive character
-good social skill
-confidence in public/can handle people
-likes dance
-nice voice
-likes sex/vibes
-a good wild active fuck, legs apart and in the air
-m'ish girl


-not big spender/stupid shopper
-not selfish/want her own way
-no smoking/drinking problems
-no mental problems/unconfidence/insecurity/snooping/unstable
-not too much time fucking with makeups
-not desperate to be married



-->PU THEORY: THE G.U.T.

->Idea of the opener (the G.U.T. of PU)

Satellites broadcast on the same frequency on 2 polarities (horizontal, and vertical).
Two different channels are there, coming in at the same time. The same is true when
you talk to a chick. 

Imagine 'horizontal', is the words you are saying (fluff, a 
story, some questions or comments about the weather). This is the conscious stuff
you can type and transcribe. 

But at the same time, there is a 'vertical' channel of communication, that most
people arent aware of. This is the channel where tonality, speed/pitch of voice
(and the emotions that those convey, like confidence, fear, anxiety, power,
ego..) are conveyed. This is subconscious, but is present never the less. It is 
the communication on this channel, that will determine whether the chick 'likes'
you or not.

basic idea is in first few minutes (5..10), to keep conversation going in any
ways, so your 'atmosphere' conveys via the vertical. Then she will be relaxed, and
conversation will be able to go on its own, then you can use horizontal, to start
leading the vertical (stories about feeling, how you lead, natural way, 
differences of people..etc).

Steps in intro PU:
->Opener: first 5..10 minutes
-Opener (horizonal)..keep it going, doesn't matter what you say, because the
 real transmission is happening via the vertical (tonality, manner, pitch, speed).
 The chick will 'like' you if your tonality and pitch show confidence, authority
 and alpha characteristics on this vertical channel. Horizontal is not really 
 as important what you say, as long as the conversation keeps going, and is 
 interesting (see my other file), about travel, or places went, or shopping..
 
 A chick will usually (via the vertical communication) mirror your emotional state.
 So if your talk is rushed, she will feel rushed, if your talk is nervous she will
 feel nervous. If your talk is relaxed, calm, mysterious tonality then she will 
 also relax/calm/show interest. Same goes for Kino (should have already started by
 now).

->Middle: conversation now natural, she could pick up your authority/confidence
 in step above via vertical, so now you can start to lead her feelings and show
 direction via horizontal (ie. words you say). This is stories, and questions, now
 about you, experiences, or her. Kino should be getting closer/better.

 Tonality, Kino, speed of voice should continue, along with stories to demonstrate
 alpha/personality/kanchou. Be attractive, and not pushy. Then, when it is clear
 she likes you (IOI - mystery), indications of interest, then actually make the
 pitch (KC, close..). Adding alcohol also works well too.

 Basically, idea here is that the fluff at the start *really does not matter*.
 Because this (horizontal) communication is not where the important communication
 is happening, it is on the vertical side which is why people don't usually 
 notice it, and how PU seems so mysterious.. but this is the secret.. now it is
 all logical and clear.




-->Going from AFC to PUA means changing everything about yourself.
Every little behavior, you have to examine. How you say good morning,
or hello to a classmate or co-worker, (eye contact, tonality, speed,
pitch, body movement), speed of walking, where/what you look at/
what you think when you are alone..etc. Kanchou, or follower/weak
one. A PUA will never put himself in a situation where he is the
follower, or weak (Smooth never will). Through tonality, and mannerisms,
you lead (encourage guys to talk to lonely girls, or to be friends
with each other, but not do so yourself, until your target is ready,
and gone through all the AFCs).

Even when you are not doing PU, you need to think, is the way I talk
now, or walk, or look at someone, congruent with what a PUA would
do. If not, you need to change it. Each time you do something, think
this, and evaluate. After a few weeks your behavior will start to
change. This is important, because otherwise, when you are with a
chick, your 'ingrained' behavior will come out, (which means AFC).
But if you are ALWAYS thinking/behaving/talking with attitude, speed
and tonality of a PUA, then when you DO meet a chick, all this will
work properly, since it is already your natural way around people,
chicks or not.


-->Mr. Smooth and 'yes'..
He never says 'yes', rather it is 'uun', and then he will either ask a question
right away about that topic, or make a comment (his own, not about the 
target's thinking, or 'agreement question like 'yes, so you like cake' after
she says cake is good (that is just silly). He will say 'uun, what other
kind of food do you like, or 'did you make it yourself'... to keep the
conversation going, and more important, to LEAD, rather than follow the
conversation).


020417
-->On chick bullshit
If it even remotely seems like chick bullshitm, but you are not
sure if it really is, then act as if it is.. that is the wining
strategy.. why? because
1)there is a 99% chance that you will actually be right, it is bullshit
2)if in the (very) remote offchance you are wrong, and it wasnt totally
(or even partially) bullshit, and you call her on it anyways, that will
make you look uncontrollable/un predictable... which to a chick, makes
you more desireable.... so calling bullshit, is win win..


020414

-->If it sounds like bullshit, it probably is.
This is particularly true. If the bullshit detector, even slightly
goes off, then you are almost CERTAINLY dealing with a lie (even if
she INSISTS that it is not after you call her on it). Chicks are
notorious for this sort of bullshit, and will lie way more than men
(in spite of what they might say about honesty being important..blah blah).

Some examples of chick bullshit I encountered recently:
1)
-Chick leaves after 1 hr (I am tired, was up with my friends all night).
 (funny, she didn't look tired at all)
-Then no reply/apology in mail/phone later
-Then when I call her on it, she says 'I was not expecting a date, but just
 hanging out (bullshit)'.
m: oh, me too, I just meet, and see what naturally happens (good reply M).

It was all a lie though. Probably she (Cinderella chick) didn't know
how to deal with more or less direct talk (maybe still virgin?, she is
still young)..  ok, I replaced her in 20 minutes after that.

2)
Meet chick, goes well. want to meet again (was a bit cold though,
but not sure)
Get Email: sorry, I am busy for next 2 months, I am moving (bullshit!).
I call her on it. She insists that this is true (yeah..right it is...!)
Then no reply ever again..  (not sure what she didnt like).. this was
a 4q chick.

-->Constructing a good BS pattern (like the religious preachers use..
this is how to introduce any pattern/topic in isolation of anything else
being discussed)

you know, xxxx is like yyy. (describe examples of yyy). If you have
yyyy, then yo know you have zzzz (zzz is the feeling you want to imprint
on the target)

Like being intimate, or hugging, is just an example of communication
at many levels, the way you look at each other, and feel that connection
with each other, and how you are held gently, and softly, and feel
completely secure. It is all ways of reaching each other without talking,
and is completely natural. And if that feeling is good, and you know
you can feel that connection with that person, then you know that you
have met someone you can trust..


-->About smooth, new insight:
When trying to PU a girl, don't be pushy to try to KC her or fuck, or hold
her, rather, demonstrate personality (kanchou), till you KNOW she wants then do
it (smooth and married girl).. that will work, even in a group, because you can
demonstrate personality (ie. describe natural way, connection.. usuing right tonality)
to all the people at once (if it is possible to lead conversation, and other
guys are co-operating with you). Then when you know she WANTS (ie. is gagging for
it) to KC, fuck, it is very easy. 


020409
-->chicks like playboy AFTER they got him (they dont want to know he is
playboy before they get him.. slut defence logic).. but after they got him..
kakkkoi... I was :taken/caught' by him!

-->HBILikeH
Lay report..
This time got her (3 times!). 
-still uneasy
-she later said in morning, she wanted  BF because already she knew
english type, american type, and that I was close as latin type.
-She said she never started so fast
-she said she wanted to kiss me friday, and really wanted me on Friday
 (would have been hard I think though).. her mood didnt show this..
-Today, she was very close the lips, it was clear she wanted a kiss.. happened
 naturally..
-told her (kiddingly) her first impression was bad
-Theme of talk was 'follow your heart, and do what is natural way, it is the
 way for my life'. Lots of 'so, can I ask you' type questions?
 - why no BF in 3 years (I am not looking (lie, she said her friends she wants
   latin BF))
-You like to be touched (start kino)
-she was embarrassed that she touched my face.. but cant describe why she liked
-She couldnt say why she like me
-She worry about alot that I am playboy (just then I kid her, I say 'here
is your drink, just you can enjoy nice evening with your drink and your own
way, and I turned my back to her... each time she would pull be back to her
again).. 
-Often I told her to follow natural pace, like the kiss was)
-lost virginity at 16, she sais she doesnt need/miss sex (we'll see)
-When I started sex, she was funny, said 'I feel nothing', and started doing
 math problems out loud.. it was very funny.. do her a little harder, and
 she would shriek during the math problems
-She said still feel nothing
-2nd sex, drilled her hard, tell her this is revenge for annoying me about the
 modem...

-fingered her in the bathroom of the izakaya
-never really resisted anything.. was like MsKinky.. mouth said
no, body said yes ('no, why sex,? then her legs spread open..).. light whine,
kawaisou feeling type.. somehow she wasnt ready, but at the same time, she
was desperate for it too.
-Once, she wanted to stop, at first, so I did.. but then started fingering
again, and got her..
-she likes nipples, and sucking.. rather sensitive
-she doesnt like gossips
-she doesnt know she is popular in the office
-when I got stuck, talk a bit about work stuff, then switch back.
-One thing which worked well, was to follow two minds too, myself. When 
resistance, stop cold, but then say 'no sex', while you continue to finger
her, and get her ready (she liked it, it got her excited), then sex was
easy..

020406
-->Met CinderellaBabe .
Disappointment.. she was 'tired' and left after 1 hr. 23yo. From countryside 
someplace. BS about missing last train (it was only 8:45pm!). THen not hungry
and not drink, and not want to walk... bye.. It was hard to transition to
the BF stuff she lived in SF for 3 years, then Kobe.. bujt no BF).
I had to use the 'escape hatch' of 5 years future to switch conversation to 
BF/GF stuff (I want a nice woman I can trust).. but she ran away before I 
could finish it (I got her answer (nice job), but couldnt reply before she
went home mine... I think she just bolted.. not sure if she ever had BF ever..
I think she is a virgin and still scared of men..

-->Random thoughts
Marriage is great for girl, because by law you have to give her rocks. But she
has no obligation to give you gold..


->Random thoughts
A cute chick is not much harder to lay (psychologically) than the ugs.
Just an Ug will be more available/easy to schedule..etc. So focus on the HBs
instead, especially in places where the UG/HB ratio is not too messed up (ie. USA).

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