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Important things to know about guys – vs – chicks thinking

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
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A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
Fo-cus Dan-iel-son
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


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Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Other excellent pickup patterns

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Tue Dec  7 00:53:44 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 08:41:56 GMT
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 10:34:42 GMT
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
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http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

-- 
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ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Subject: Re: GM joke
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:28:42 +0200
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
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Subject: Re: Well I gave the HB a ride home last night.
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:46:10 GMT
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
--
Hello, below are my net details...
my home page     ->  http://home.primus.com.au/danielt
my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
Regards, Daniel :)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Other excellent pickup patterns

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

From zip@jack.com Thu Dec 16 22:06:57 1999
From: zip@jack.com (Zipjack)
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Subject: Re: sponsibility
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
Fo-cus Dan-iel-son
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: SLEAZE Line Week
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:20:03 +0200
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 GMT
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Subject: Re: GM joke
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Well I gave the HB a ride home last night.
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:46:10 GMT
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Other excellent pickup patterns

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
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A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:20:03 +0200
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 GMT
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Going sexual?
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:17 -0500 (EST)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

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Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From: JonJuan 
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Tue Dec  7 00:53:44 1999
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Subject: Re: sponsibility
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Re: SLEAZE Line Week
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Well I gave the HB a ride home last night.
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:46:10 GMT
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

-- 
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Other excellent pickup patterns

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
From: nightlight9@hotmail.com
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



From mystery@idirect.com Tue Sep 28 03:23:20 1999
From: "mystery" 
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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 08:41:56 GMT
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 10:34:42 GMT
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: SLEAZE Line Week
Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:37:59 GMT
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

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From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Chicks expecting a fuck?  re: mrsex4unyc, zipjack
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Tue Dec  7 00:53:44 1999
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

From zip@jack.com Thu Dec 16 22:06:57 1999
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
Fo-cus Dan-iel-son
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
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http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: SLEAZE Line Week
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Well I gave the HB a ride home last night.
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Other excellent pickup patterns

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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A fantastic cyber seduction example

Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



From mystery@idirect.com Tue Sep 28 03:23:20 1999
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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » lines

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Tue Dec  7 00:53:44 1999
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Subject: Re: sponsibility
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:26:34 -0500
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
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A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:41:27 GMT
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Re: SLEAZE Line Week
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:04:32 +0200
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:20:03 +0200
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 GMT
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
Date: 13 Sep 1999 13:30:34 GMT
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Going sexual?
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:17 -0500 (EST)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Well I gave the HB a ride home last night.
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:46:10 GMT
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Status: RO

You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
--
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my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
Regards, Daniel :)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

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Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

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Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Wed Sep 22 10:59:31 1999
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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Subject: Re: Chicks expecting a fuck?  re: mrsex4unyc, zipjack
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Tue Dec  7 00:53:44 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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Subject: Re: Advice please...date ends and time for kiss
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

From zip@jack.com Thu Dec 16 22:06:57 1999
From: zip@jack.com (Zipjack)
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:41:27 GMT
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:20:03 +0200
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 GMT
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
Date: 13 Sep 1999 13:30:34 GMT
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Going sexual?
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:17 -0500 (EST)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Tue Dec  7 00:53:44 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
Fo-cus Dan-iel-son
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:41:27 GMT
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
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me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 GMT
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Subject: Re: GM joke
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:28:42 +0200
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
Date: 13 Sep 1999 13:30:34 GMT
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Going sexual?
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:17 -0500 (EST)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From bswmgr99@my-deja.com Sun Sep 26 20:45:10 1999
From: JonJuan 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Well I gave the HB a ride home last night.
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:46:10 GMT
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
--
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my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
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When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
--
Hello, below are my net details...
my home page     ->  http://home.primus.com.au/danielt
my email address ->  danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au
Regards, Daniel :)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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From nightlight9@hotmail.com Mon Dec  6 23:49:29 1999
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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



From mystery@idirect.com Tue Sep 28 03:23:20 1999
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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

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Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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In article <82a7du$7d5$1@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

From zip@jack.com Thu Dec 16 22:06:57 1999
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
Fo-cus Dan-iel-son
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Field Report: The 3 Minute Pickup
Date: 14 Oct 1999 09:47:04 GMT
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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From: JonJuan 
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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Status: O

When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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Other excellent pickup patterns

Maniac High — Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good sample pickup patterns from Vincent and Thomas





From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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Maniac High — Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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An awesome cyber pickup script by Nightlight!

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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra $1 one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

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Awesome thoughts about guy thinking -vs- girl thinking!

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>I am a bit curious as to more the dynamics that are going
>on inside a chick's head in such situations, which is why I brought
>it up..

that's the point of THIS WHOLE SHIT maniac.

there ARE NO DYNAMICS to a woman's head.

a woman follows her emotions.

you CREATE her emotions and she will naturally DESIRE to act on them (or 
haveYOU act on her)

you can not THINK that their minds work analytically like ours do.  it's 
a TOTALLY different process.

she stands in front of the tv when the football game is on.  we think 
"THIS BITCH HAS GOT TO GET OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE TV!"

you don't bring her flowers.  she doesn't think "this guy needs to go 
out and get me some flowers" she thinks "HE DOSEN'T LOVE ME ANY MORE... 
IS IT MY WEIGHT?... IS HE CHEATING..."

see?  it doesn't make any sense because SHE gets an EMOTION from actions 
and words, then she acts on that, whereas WE act on the facts of the 
situation.

that's why she can't tell you about processes.  some things you did made 
her naturally feel like being kissed then feel like being felt up then 
feel like being fucked.  she never LOGICALLY assumed that you were going 
to do it, but when you did it, she liked it and was confortable enough 
with you NOT to stop you.

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>> when I feel like feeling you up... you get felt up
>> when I feel like kissing you, you kiss me back
>> when I want head you suck my dick... venus, does that make sense to
>you?
>
>Do you give this to the chick in these words?

HAHAHAHA nope!  :)

too mechanical.  too many FACTS... chicks can't process facts... they 
need emotions...

what you do is QUOTE them stories about girls that denied you and got 
canned immediately... mid-date or whatever... they get the picture so that when 
it's time for some action, they know to start packing their fucking bags if 
they don't get with you... they KNOW there is no way that you are going to 
waste any more time with them instead of being with a sexy chick...

I must say though I am mulling over outfoxer's comments and intend on 
replying to them when I get a clear fix on what I think.  his stance totally 
contradicts mine on this issue and I can't see right now which one is the best for 
me.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:34:25 -0700, Jake Thomson
 wrote:

. A woman would be happy being friends
>with a mannequin if it had an engaging personality and met
>her emotional needs. And then, if and only if, they like the
>personality, they might switch that object into a sexual
>being and perceive it as he truly is.

Yes, its scary to percieve men as sexual beings unless thtere's no
connection. This explains why assholes get women easily....its not
threatening.
>
>Most heterosexual men can't or won't do that. We perceive
>women as sexual beings first and may or may not get around
>to noticing and engaging their personality. 

It is incredible to me that its taken me so long to truly realize
this.

We get our
>primary emotional payoff from sex and a secondary payoff
>from companionship. We need sex to validate us and allow us
>to experience loving feelings. Women are wired in the
>opposite fashion. They need loving feelings to validate them
>and allow them to experience sex.

Well, we are paranoid in general about sex because many many men trash
and dehamanize women who have sex with the,. if you guys really enjoy
sex try being cool to the women who sex you.

 Neither way, by itself is
>good, and both can be degrading, exploitative and
>dehumanizing. 

....another thing I never realized....WOW!
I never thought a guy could consider himself "used" in this way and I
had no idea it was so degrading. I don't think most women realize
this, and its a good thing because we'd never talk to any of you
anymore!

>
>IMO, the reason the guys turn off and give you the cold
>shoulder is because you're negating their humanity. They
>eventually realize that they're just objects with a
>personality to be exploited for entertainment purposes, and
>they, rightfully, get a bit miffed about it.

If a woman is faithful to one man is she negating the humanity of all
other men she meets thereafter? I don't think so.
Anyway, the attitude above describes the way women feel about sex.

 They're putting
>out and meeting your emotional needs without getting the
>emotional payoff that's meaningful to them.  Let me ask you
>Kate, how long and how hard would you work for somebody who
>refused to pay you for your time and effort in a currency
>that had meaning to you?

Not long. The thing is, there needs to be some middle ground.
You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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Dear Alex,
I'm glad I un-killfiled Kate - check this out:

"You guys have to understand that sex WREAKS HAVOC on a woman's brain
and body. I don't think its the same high calibur experience for men
and they can forget more easily. Asking a woman to take significant
emotional risks just to have sex with you first off is alot more than
you may realize.

Kate"

And:

"You guys talk about chick logic all the time. Its really all about
women's total denial that they are going to be involved in a sexual
situation at all. Basically, if a woman faces up to the physical
mental and social implications of having sex she'll end up hiding in
her room for 30 years, so she denies it and then "it just kind of
happenned".
Now, i for one, never took this approach, but for vigilance I paid in
paranoia. its just not as easy for women. Its never "just sex"."

Got it?
Regards,
Vince

> For some reason I was thinking a woman in her 30s wouldn't
> be afraid to let herself take the responsibility for having
> sex, but I guess they're not all like that, especially when
> it comes to first-night sex.
>
> Alex

Gimmick to get chick to kiss in a club!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com


A cool way to open a chick up to kissing!

[Maniac ed. Note, after getting her to do this
a couple times, tell her "a real one this time.."
and go for the tongue down!]




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"Kiss It" (Point to one cheek)

"Kiss It"  (Point to the other cheek)

"One more time" (Point to your lips)

I've had more success with Craig's "kiss the cheek" method in clubs and
parties than any other!  It's the Ultimate Kino Trick in my opinion.  It's
just too easy...  Right after you get her really laughing or Smiling GO
FOR THE KISS ON THE CHEEK.  Point to one of your cheeks and say "Kiss It"!
I swear there's like a 99% chance that she will.  You never get denied if
you pull it right after a funny smart ass comment.

The funny thing is....  once she's kissed you on the cheek once.  She'll
never deny you another.  Every so often just playfully demand another kiss
on the cheek.  It's just too much fun.  Last Saturday I went bowling with 5
girls and after my first strike I playfully high-fived everyone and then
made all the girls give me a kiss on the cheek.  I then did this EVERYTIME I
got a spare or a strike... it just kept getting funner and funner...  They
were all getting into it.... and then eventually I started making out with
one of the Cuties inbetween frames.

Pure Genius I tell you.

With Love,
DC Guy


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Im always glad to be of service!  Im usually a bit sneaker and
turn my head during the second cheek kiss...Then I say..."Well
now you might as well give me a real one!"  It seems like you and
I have very similar styles, so do me a favor...Try out other
favorite Kiss close.  It takes bigger balls but its pretty damn
funny.  Bullshit with her for a few minutes and then say
"So...You wanna to make out?" Say it with a straight face and
have a little excitement in your voice!  She will probably say on
eof three things.

 "Here?" Counter with, "No I figure we could walk somewhere a
little more romantic!"

"I dont know" and you say, "Lets find out! kiss

"Right now?"  And you say, "No way!  In five minutes!"    Then
come back in five minutes, show her your watch, then silently
take her hand and lead her to a bedroom (or couch if your in a
club)!

Of course this is field tested.  I recommend it and use it.  If
she says anything other than a flat out NO then you're in.
Report back!

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I used the kiss my cheek method on a chic that I was talking to
on the phone, and never met before, when she finally met me at a
casino. This was two weeks ago. I made all sorts of games out of
it. If we see an old lady at a slot machine (every 2 seconds)
you have to kiss me. If we see someone win you have to kiss me.
If she wanted a chip I would hold it out and when she reached
for it I pulled it back and pointed to my cheek (and eventually
mouth). And they WERE HER CHIPS!!  She loved it and was giggling
every time.  This led to tongue down in a hallway (until
security came and broke it up) and eventually a lay in her hotel
room that she paid for. (I am so cheap...I only brought and
spent 5 bucks the whole night!!!). I used it to warm her up to
me at the start and just kept it going. It caused us to be
completely comfortable around each other despite having just
met. A great method, I agree.

I-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
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Using Photo’s to get a chick in proper state!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:


http://www.pickupguide.com


Using photo's as a gimmick to get chicks in the proper state!




From az88hiker@aol.com Mon Feb  7 08:47:09 2000
From: az88hiker@aol.com (Az88hiker)
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 Someone posted here a while back about how he likes to look at pictures on his
computer/in a photo album when he has a chick over to his house.  Since you
have to sit close together to look at the pics, you can get good kino.  I've
taken this idea and ran with it, and I think it turning into another good
seduction tool.  What I did was this:

I've assembled a photo album specifically to look at with girls when I have
them over to my apartment.  I chose the photos carefully.  They show me in a
variety of different contexts, which shows the girls my diverse interests.  But
more importantly, for every photo or group of photos, I have a pattern or story
to go with them.  Some examples:

4 photos from my senior class trip to Magic Mountain--->Roller
coasters--->discovery channel pattern

3 photo from my parents 14-year renewal of their wedding vows--->looking back
on 14 years of being in love--->good love/time distortion pattern

Photos of various friends-launching pad for various quoting patterns

A photo of my friend and his girlfriend-"Thats my friend Joe,  He once asked me
to write a poem for her, for their 6 month anniversary.  Hey, you know what? 
I've got a copy of that poem somewhere.  Would you like to hear it?"

4 photos of me at a rave-a good dancing sexual accelerator pattern I wrote "And
that beat just penetrates deep inside your body, and you just have to move your
body to the music.  You feel that rythym building, and the beat just moves your
body," etc.  (dickpoint every time you say beat or music)

3 photos taken at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-launch into the Diamond
pattern recently posted to the mindlist

and so on.  You don't have to launch into a pattern for every photo, of course.
 That would be stupid.  But when she expresses her interest in a particular
photograph, you've got a ready made pattern handy. :)  I like this because you
don't have to even try to work a pattern into what you're talkikng about-the
album will do introduce the patterns for you :).  This is nice for those of us
who struggle with introducing patterns into a discussion (Although I've been
working on this.  The pattern spins on ASF and the mindlist are very useful. 
I'd like to see more pattern spins being posted-they are one of the best tools
for all of us to improve our patterning skills).

BTW, my photo album is currently only 2/3 full. If you have any ideas for other
pictures that would work for our purposes, please POST THEM TO THIS THREAD!

So, whaddya think-does this idea rate a seduction gold star?

Chris

More on the Grand Master!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Even more Grand Master stuff by Nathan!

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent .
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too .
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING " before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 12:41:27 GMT
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

-- 
Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg  wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec ? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---

Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
 wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD  wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:20:03 +0200
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:22:31 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Weekend Field Report ----  I NEED SOME HELP!!
Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:21:05 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:17:41 GMT, Oldschool  wrote:

>Approach #1 - I decided early that night to implement the 3s rule.  I
>see 2 women at the bar (8.5 and 6.5), and I approach.  "I can't
>believe these men are all around you ladies, and not one has said
>anything to you!!  Hi, my name is Ed. . .".  I try to run some jokes
>and ask about school, etc.  Every time I ask a question, the 8.5 looks
>at the 6.5 as if to say "what a fucking loser" through her stare.  I

GM's reply in that case: "So what, you don't like handsome blokes?
Tell me, cause I really don't like giving
pearls to swines"

>catch on, and give an awkward bow-out, "well, I'm gonna get back to my
>friends now.  It was nice meeting you. . ."  What a fucking loser
>line!!!  No rapport from the start.  No way in hell I was gonna close
>in a decent way.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
Date: 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 GMT
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.

Damn it.

From: Nathan SZILARD 
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"  oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 27 00:13:16 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Going GM on a model
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I wasn't about to pick her up bc a bartender "friend" of mine
was on the program, but I plan to pick up the remnants anyway.
(Once his big times AFC tendencies have shot him down ...)

I went GM full style albeit with little kino. She went kino
though, slapping me on the top of my head as she was totally
craking up. 

After several big dicks self promoting comments, I said:
"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys
going after me, and they're only interested because of it,
you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for
just my HUGE penis." And then "I should'nt talk about that,
I don't want you to be incredibly turned on, ... I don't
want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge
throoobing tasty penis." Her eyes were glowing -- you
could tell what she had in mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was funny. This GM thing is soooo funny. 

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From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:01:12 -0700, Mike  wrote:
(...)
| Then gas is filled up and she thanks me and gets in her car and I say,
| ?sure, why don?t we continue this some other time, like say over
| coffee??. She?s says, ?Coffee? Sure, I?m sure I?ll see you around here
| again.? Me, ?No you won?t, I?m not even from here, I?m from Vancouver.?
| Her, ?Oh, I?m from Surrey. Well, I don?t go out for coffee with people I
| don?t know.?

GM: "Me neither, but I'm in a good mood today, and I thought I would
     be nice and would let you have that chance to be with me again"

Huh, don't know if it's that good.

| Me, ?Well, tell you what, then why don?t we exchange
| numbers and we can talk on the phone and get to know each other there
| and then we can go for coffee.? Her (in semi-trance by now), ?do you
| have a pen??. I fumble for a pen, we exchange numbers and that was it.

She asks, soudns good.

| It was done in about three to four minutes and Tom told me that the gas
| station attendant came out to make sure I wasn?t going to molest her or
| something. Oh yeah, the bars we went to were interesting. As interesting
| as bars from Hell could get.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:18 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: From the NoShit! Department: GM does not supplicate

No shit, heh?

I hooked up with GM after a few months of interruption.
The guy got in severe financial problems. He's still
3 months late in payment, and he can't get it up to 
fuck anything over 30, so he can't even make money
off his skills.

Anyway.

I sucked lately; you might have noticed I haven't posted
in a week, I was stuck in bed, mostly. So we did'nt do
anything special. I just got to listen to him talking
on the phone, and we had one night out, nothing great.

But hey. What he gets of them. 

Simple. He wants some chick (18 yo) to come over. He
just tells her that he won't be able to see her in a
while because another chick is coming to visit him 
the next day, staying for a week, then another one,
"and you won't be able to come over then, because
remember last time you came, we had sex in front of her,
and she did'nt like it, you know she travelled all the
way to England, it's really not nice of you."

Then he says that he's never going to marry her ????
(What? Is she even believing it to be possible???)

Last time he saw her, she brought a friend over, she
left for 5 minutes, and in the mean time, he was 
fucking the friend !!! 

Shit, I can't help doubting him, but when EVERYTIME
I challenge him, he proves me wrong! Like, I did'nt
believe the 5 minutes friend fucking thing. No
problemo, he calls her back, fluffes her, put the
loudspeaker on, and get her to more or less describe
the fucking scene!!!

But what's interesting is that he's ALWAYS respectful
of them. He never calls them sluts or bitches. He
starts being angry when they don't do what he wants,
and then, he makes them feel like it's their fault,
that they don't respect him. 

So he gets the chick to come over, and on top of that
"oh and I don't want a gift this time" he says.
"Oh wait I have something for you" she replies.
Don't know what it is.

I had to go, was fucking exhausted, so I did'nt
get to see the chick. Fucking headache.

Doh. Double triple doh.

The GM method? They don't want to do what you want
of them? Make them feel guilty about it. Insist. Do
as if they had said yes when they haven't said anything
definite. He does that with me too. It's hard to 
resist actually. Even though he knew I was sick he
still wanted me to hang out with him and complained
because I could'nt come sarging with him.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Feb 19 21:13:36 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM has the solution to (one of my) questions; again.

And it is: don't supplicate, you thwart.

The question was: all the women, esp. the foreigners, complain
about sleazy men always trying to pick them up in the street,
and indeed, it happens all the time in Paris.

GM's answer: "what? YOU, getting picked up? LOL! You should
be grateful."

Where it's not supplication: he is genuinely offended to
be associated with this phenomenon. He reacts angrily .
He shows it. Who do you think you are to call ME a 
sleaze? That's the message he conveys.

More generally: he conveys this attitude all the time.
Be grateful that I talk to you. "Pearls before swines"
he says all the time ("donner de la confiture aux 
cochons").

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Taking control when things go wrong

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



[Mystery talks about taking control in a PU when the
chick isn't reacting the way you want!]




From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:24:05 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: trouble with hb
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:28:35 -0500 (EST)

dont listen to mike.  dont eject.  it IS time to lay it on the line
though.  Simply tell her you are interested in another girl.  Then kiss
her when she is feeling that rejection feeling.  take CONTROL.  girls
like that.

MAKE her yours.  if not ... THEN eject.  you at least tried your best.


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!


From mystery28man@webtv.net Sat Jan  8 10:45:35 2000
From: mystery28man@webtv.net (Mystery)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Going sexual?
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:17 -0500 (EST)
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interesting predicament.  Hmm, looks like you arent going KINO all that
much.  As you are talking close you say, "I want to bite you" and bite
her neck and shoulder.  Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I noticed that ONCE I got IN with a woman it was an entire PHASE SHIFT.
It takes alot of talk to get the girl but once you notice she likes the
touching, you have to shut up.  you have to tell her to shut up too.

I can tell you realize that its a different phase.  I just wanted to
confirm that YES the line is distinct between GETTING and HAVING.  You
will find that once you have kiss closed you can behave entirely
different from then on and its not unusual (although you may be thinking
it is)


Mystery

Embrace the Unknown!

Attitude and Desireability

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Mr. Happy writes about... Pickup Attitudes and Desireability!

From: "Mr. Happy" 
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> Well I got the confirmation email of her ditching me:
>
> -----
>
> Sorry Robert, but I can't make it tonite. A friend of mine is taking me
> to look for a car and I REALLY need one. I hope you get this message. I
> don't have a phone# where I can call you, so I hope you don't come all
> the way out here.

> C you in class tomorrow,
> Camilla
>
> -----
>
> Bitch.  You know, if she REALLY wanted to be with me, like if she had a
> crush on me, then she would have gone out of her way to study with me
> tonight.  So what do I say to her in class tomorrow?  And should I email
> her back saying anything? Is she playing hard to get??

1) There was a point in time, in the past, when she found you attractive
sexually.
2) She no longer finds you attractive sexually.
3) She either thinks that you are a pussy, or that you are not interested in
her.  Those are the signs you have been sending her.
4) She is NOT playing hard to get.  She uses you where she can and she blows
you off otherwise.  She derives feminine satisfaction from manipulating you.

This is one of the BASICS:  Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can
manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you
as a pawn.
Read the above sentence 10 times.

One piece of advice that is given here often (when a guy is pining over a
specific woman) is for you to go out and fuck 10 other women first and then
come back to her.  If your skills are not yet up to the level where you can
do that, then THAT is the true problem that needs fixing.  Asking our advice
is useless if you don't follow it.

Here are the basic attitudes you must instill in yourself, behave as if they
are true even if your emotions mislead you:
1) I make no excuses for my desires as a man.
2) I move through this world without apology.
3) I like to fuck women.
4) I don't need any particular woman, I am not needy.  Women are a dime a
dozen.
5) I DO NOT SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN BECAUSE THEY FIND IT UNATTRACTIVE.
6) Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing.  The more I get rejected, the
more I will get laid.  I learn something every time.  If a woman rejects me
it just shows how stupid she is.  My gain, her loss.

You need to go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week.
That's 48 women a week.  Your skills will undergo massive improvement with
such practice.  You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick
up another one.

It is only after you do these things that the original swedish girl will
start to find you attractive again.  And if she doesn't, oh well, at least
you are getting laid.

Look I respect the fact that you are posting this shit and trying to improve
your situation.  But if you don't listen to us and put in the effort, you
will not get the results.  As Mystery said, if you won't even put in the
effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out.  If you DO
put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results.  Do not ever
fixate on any one woman, it turns her off.  To lay her, she must believe
that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you
don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

Got it?

As far as your current situation, she is disrespecting you.  It IS a form of
test, although she is already assuming that you have failed the test.  In
order to pass, you must:
1) Show that you don't lose your temper over it.
2) Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.
3) Show that it doesn't really phase you.
4) Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that
(1,2,3) are true.

o===3

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Good attitudes for being a better pickup artist!

From Cane_69@hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:31:38 2000
From: "Cane_69" 
Subject: 10 rules of PU
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

These are collected from the group or my experience (it's basically how
to be the alpha male and a few other rules) :

1.  PUing follows the FMAC model (Find Meet Attract Close)
2.  Have the attitude that every girl wants to sleep with you, it's
just a matter of you wanting to sleep with her, having the spare time
to do it and giving her the oportunity. Always prepare yourself and
assume sucess.
3.  Desperation is not something you experience.  It's something other
guys who aren't PU artists experience.
4.  No woman is more important than your pride and your happiness. 
Another one is hoping to take her place in your life and is waiting
right around the corner. 
5.  PU is a win/win for both you and the woman.  But do unto others...
6.  Humor is the most import single technique to sucess.
7.  Confidence in a relaxed way is the most important factor to sucess.
8.  Never get stressed out, discombobulated or worried that things
aren't going right or perfect.  Always remain calm, relaxed and
reactive in possitive way to any challenges.  Always act in a slow calm
powerful manner.
9.  Never appologize or try to think ahead to make life easier for the
woman.  Never dote.  Don't "supplicate".  Make her work for it (whether
"it" means the realationship, the conversation or the first date)
10. Look, smell and sound your best.  Never make it harder than it has
to be, and it makes you feel better about yourself.

Hurricane
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You say the words "player" like it is a BAD thing ;-)

It depends how you "play".  If you play a couple
girls while you are getting NOTHING from them..
then it is OK.  Once you get SOMETHING or SOMEWHERE
with one, then the ethical questions come into play.

Before then, it is all about SURVIVAL.  Just ask
yourself, do you only apply to ONE job if you are
unsure if you will GET the job.  Do you only ask
for ONE opinion, when you are not sure of the
validity or truth of that first opinion?

Of course not!  Why be any different with women
or the friends you choose.

Girls play this game all the time, and have whipped
guys into submission over the years.

It's really that simple.

The sad thing is a LOT of girls don't even realize
this themselves..and so if you think they are not
playing this game with you on PURPOSE.. then you
could very well be right.  It's all conditioning
for THEIR survival.

This has become their INSTINCT in helping them
find their best possible match.

Start worrying about your own.  Get in touch
with your natural instincts.  You're not being
an animal.. you're just tapping into your
animal instints, and using it to guide your
choices.

You will be happier in the end, and will be
sure that YOU have made the right decision.

Just do it with class, style.. and most of all
have fun and learn!

ONE MORE THING:

Once you think you've won her over.  Don't start
gushing over her, getting caught up (too much)
in the moment.  She may try to TEST you and see
if you can take it.  She may try to make YOU
jealous, by pulling the same game on her.

Pretend you don't care.  No matter how much it
eats away at you.. pretend you don't care.

You have to keep yourself in shape to stay
on top.  The longer you are together, and the
more you know her, the more you can start
letting your guard down.

Do it at your pace.

But find a balance.  You're new to this and
may find your self over compensating.. this could
also lead to potentially spoiling the moment
with paranoia.. be sure to post here often and
listen to what different people have to say.

Good luck man!!

>From danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au Tue Sep 28 05:13:41 1999
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I used this a couple of times. IT works. You may add values inside those
"patterns", that you have elicited.

Fluff talk - 3-10  minutes.. During fluff use humour / tease sequences
(when she laughs establish anchors on her arm, hips and tummy and neck),
use NEGS if needed (depends on rating). Make sure rapport has been
established and the girl has given u signs of interest. BTW KINO on the
arm/hand as soon as you say hi (to show her u r a sexual being).

Connection(reverse type):

You know.. sometimes .. when i meet someone i get this feeling inside
(PTS) .. i dont know what it is.. but i know it feels good (PTS).. and i
cant help but want to get close to that person and get to know
her..(point to her).. do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy
(PTS)?

Let her say shit.. if its positive move on if negative do some more
rapport building....

Passion:  (continuation)

Passion and desire (touch her neck) ... the feeling that you cant hold
back...  you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her
hand and make it touch your chest).. the desire builds and builds (touch
her arm).. your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable..
(touch her arm) ... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy
feels weird (touch her stomach)

Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she aint u shouldnt have
launched these without establishing anchors and rapport

(smile and look in her eyes DONT say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME (kiss))

Enjoy the fucking.. use the lines i supplied before to confirm and
change venue for a fuck.

BTW its more effective if u r both sitting down...
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When I think about my style, i realise its mental masturbation, thats
right!, i am mentally masturbating them which often follows into
physical. They cant help but have their attention on me, the good
feelings of laughter and the ego trap of the tease gets them hooked
(although there comes a time when even a tease is highly pleasurable
even if not straight away).

Love the basic human psychology, you make the girl feel good, she will
naturally reciprocate, except her instincts tell her to please the man
sexually.

I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before
kissing her, now how devious is that?
You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings
you caused.
hahah

Daniel's cookbook of speed seduction.....

1) NEG hits to disarm initial bitch shield (if needed)
2) Small Talk
3) Tease.. Humour Sequences ...Sprinkle several sexual innuendos
(Extreme Moderation is the key word here)
4) Wait for any sign of her sexuality building... (prolonged eye
contact, open body language towards you etc etc, Shouldnt take longer
than 10 mins tops)
5) Then go for a string of humour sequences (no teasing at this stage,
use more frequent sexual innuendos though BEING SUBTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT
SO AS NOT TO MAKE HER FEEL SELF CONSCIOUS).....
6) NEG HIT... (destabilise her, make sure its still in the right format,
in that its covered in humour)
7) Get onto her right there!  Fuck her in any convenient private or
public (hehe) place.

Done.

Whole process shouldnt take longer than 20 mins.

Also, if she starts calling you names early it means on a gut level she
is finding your powerful method overwhelming.. Leave the girl alone.
This will work on a majority so dont worry.

NB: The last neg hit part will be unnecessary in most situations anyway.
Some HBs will require it though.
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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Feb 13 01:21:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: I just got tested... what to do?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:30:49 GMT, Feisal Keblawi 
 wrote:
| Thats more or less what I was saying.  But when women test us like this,
| are they CONSCIOUSLY testing us, or is it all in the subconscious?  Are
| they doing it on purpose, just to see if they can jerk us around, or did
| they really "honestly" forget for whatever reason?

I don't think they test as in "let's see in this guy is
a whimp". I think it goes more or less like this:
"Damn, I'm not sure I want to see that guy ... well
he's cool BUT ... nah I don't want to see him this
time maybe I'll see him later and I'll know how I'll
feel"

From what I've 1- read in female magazines 2- read in
psychology textbooks 3- heard from female friends
when this kind of situation arises, it's exactly where
they are positively impressed by a strong will.

In the words of Vicky (formerly featured in the "home
made porn" section of the lounge), when she's not sure
she goes for the guy who appears to desire her the most.

Does that seem to contradict what we have established 
WRT women not desiring NEEDY types?

Indeed, it might appear as contradictory ... but as
Alain Soral puts it .. it's about showing that you
WANT her, as opposed to NEEDing her.

DESIRE != NEED

Hmm ... that's interesting, as I type that, I'm starting
to understand exactly how I fucked a few times lately.

Well, bottom line is, it's been shown that women fall
for men who show persistance. Be persistant. Quite the
opposite of what Ray teaches ... One and done my ass.

Persist. And persist in showing strong will. Do not
abdicate. Accepting her BS is being weak. Backingoff
is being weak. Persisting is being strong. 

Then there is that line where stalking begins ...
obviously, "stalking" falls in the "needy" category.

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From blubobbi@ulster.net Thu Dec 16 22:59:51 1999

From: "Vincent Runza" 
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To the Group:
This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly 
about someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text 
is from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly, 
with real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

    I was talking with a buddy of mine down in NYC. He's a real natural
charmer [sp], who just knows all the ways to get really close to you 
almost instantaneously.
     He really has all those abilities in abundance [sp]. Of course, 
he's got an edge, in that he was born charming. Women have liked him since he 
was a baby, but it's more than that. He genuinely likes women and never 
tries to bamboozle them into doing something they haven't already thought of 
doing themselves [note ambiguity]. He just gets them laughing, shows a real
interest in them as people, not just Hot Babes, and finds out what's 
going on deep inside them. He [drawing gesture] draws out their hidden 
desires, things their best friends don't even know. He really makes them feel 
[sp]
all the deep feelings they may have suppressed all their lives. This is 
a real pleasure [pth] for them, so different than all the other guys [pt.
away] who showed they were just looking for a chance to get laid. Now, 
with me, creating an incredible connection with a woman like that is way 
beyond just thinking about hot, naked sex [dickpoint].
     He just demonstrates to her that he is different and that her life 
will be worse off if he is not in it. I think that knowing he doesn't need 
you, even if [pth] you need him, makes you realize he could get snapped up by
another woman who was more willing to jump his bones right now. As you 
think about it like that, feeling a passion and surrender you might have never
felt before [touch anchor], you might become anxious about losing the 
chance to express it. This guy [sp] may simply lose interest in you if you 
can't give back some of the pleasure [dickpoint] he makes you feel.
     The really great thing about this guy is, even if he only has the
chance to have a fling with a woman, she has an experience [pth] she'll
remember for the rest of her life. He gives her something to cherish and
[dickpoint] hold on to even when he's no longer there. It's like he 
reaches her [sp] deeper than any man ever has, and more important than 
physically, [pth] she has to go deep inside and bring herself out and present 
herself to him as a gift. She entrusts him with deep secrets that she hasn't shared
with anyone, ever. He pleases her [sp] so much that she wants to give 
him pleasure [dickpoint] however he derives pleasure.
     And you know, it doesn't seem to matter if he's her 'type'. As far 
as I can tell, the true wonder for a woman doesn't come when she hooks up 
with a man who is her "type" [pt. away]. A man who society [stack] or her folks
[stack] or her friends [stack] would approve of [stack], or who she's 
used to [stack], or who is typical [stack] for her to be attracted to. The 
true wonder is when she is carried beyond all that by a man [sp] who touches 
her in so many mysterious ways that she never even imagined she could be 
touched and she experiences [pth] true passion..which is not temporarily being
turned on in the moment..it's not even when she finds she gives all that 
she has..but when she is touched [touch 'passion & surrender' anchor] so
profoundly that she discovers things within her that she didn't even 
know were there.
     Once that happens, her thoughts start moving in, hmmm, a whole new
direction with [sp] this guy. She just finds her own reasons for wanting
this to continue and figures out what steps to take next. Now, I don't 
know if you can imagine feeling like that yourself. For me, that 
instantaneous connection with someone is worth working for - and I think that's an
understanding that works both ways.
     Now, maybe you can answer a question for me: What is it about 
curious people that makes them SO attractive? (big evil grin) [wait fror laugh] 
You know, I can tell you're a woman with great taste - because you laugh at 
what I say. And the more you laugh at what I say, the more you'll recognize 
just how attractive you find that [wait for laugh, touch 'passion & 
surrender' anchor]. See, just like that!

Feel free to comment, flame, borrow all or part.
Sincerely,
Vince



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Dec 16 23:00:23 1999
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>To the Group:
>This idea came from a post on the MindList about speaking admiringly about
>someone else and linking that admiration to yourself. Some of the text is
>from a post by the Man Himself. The idea here is to speak admiringly,  with
>real emotion, while you link the things you admire to yourself:

hehehe :)

nice pattern Vince :)  I was feeling good about MYSELF when I read it! 
hahahaha I'm SURE this would work on the chicks... let us know what 
happens.

PS - NO it is not a nice pattern because it talks about ME... it is a 
nice
pattern because it is written in NATURAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE and has good 
embedded
commands and carries good feelings to the listener... I think it is a
well-crafted pattern and should be very successful... that is for those 
people
that LIKE to use patterns :)

good job


From thomas_gj@my-deja.com Thu Nov  4 22:33:11 1999
From: thomas_gj@my-deja.com
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Hi

I asked a question about stacking realities and got some great answers
- thanks!!

There's also another way of overloading the conscious, right...sentence
fragments! As I understands it...it is...a way of...delivering a lot
of...facts with a lot of...pauses.

And again there's another trance induction method - storytelling!! Just
telling a story with a lot of sensory input. This will activate the
right side of the brain.

So this is my formula:

1. Overloading consciousness
  a) Sentence fragments - with NO sensory input (it shall be hard to
follow).
  b) Stacking realities

2. Storytelling (telling about an experience you had with someone else
for instance).

3. The Knock-out!
  a) Using quotes
  b) Describing another persons experience
  c) Describing a process - of falling in love for instance
Etc.

So it could work by this:

"I have this friend...Kim...and we are good friends...She lives not so
far away, by the way...and she has this little-sister, Darleen...very
sweet actually...She goes to some sport...can't remember what it
is...and I have met her trainer...a very fine woman. Actually I saw her
once on the street, where she send me a big smile. It was a sunny day,
the birds was singing, and she was dressed so nicely, as if she was to
EXPECT SOMEONE GREAT PERSON to visit her. So I went over the street,
and we began to talk. Walking down the street, swallowed up in the
conversation, the sounds around us began fading. It was so easy to FEEL
GOOD in this company. We got home to her, and she began playing the
piano for me. Ever heard the sound of great piano-music? And there was
this nice smell in the room of fresh flowers, and there was a warmth
that could touch you so deeply inside. Can you FEEL THAT...(touch
her)...would be such a wonderful thing to experience. And the music
wrapping its gentle arms around you, to the point where you could just
LET GO in YOUR MINE, and FEEL THAT hap-PENIS, penetrating so deep. I
don't know if you can FEEL THAT...now with me...that was such a
delighful experience..."

Any comments on this pattern or the trance induction method?

Regards,
Thomas
Denmark


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In article <82a7dud5@ionews.ionet.net>,
  "feeder"  wrote:

> Wow!  Good thing I did those sit-ups this morning.... so, let's test
your
> skills at "cyberseduction".... describe what you see, and make me
feel warm
> fuzzy feelings.

It's important that your in the right mood for this, so if you aren't
ready to  think about the pleasures of another, you might not want read
this carefully and really try to  feel what I'm talking about.

As you read this, hopefully you  feel warm and comfortable.  You're
wearing a soft sweater that shows your curves but leaves just enough to
the imagination.
I like to start by getting really close, maybe sitting on a sofa.  I
would look at your face, your eyes, the curve of you jaw and the line
of your neck, the fullness of your lips.  I want to pull myself close
to your face so you can feel my breath on your cheak and then on your
neck.  I can faintly smell your perfume.  I wrap my hand gently but
firmly around the nape of your neck.  Your skin is so beautiful and I
wisper into your ear how much it turns me on to look at it and feel it.
Then I begin to kiss your neck very gently.  You let me know you like
it by tilting your head and letting out a long breath.  The excitement
of touching eachother and learning each other for the first time is
making me so turned on.
I can feel you arm under my shoulders, exploring my back muscles and it
makes me feel like  you want me.  We both feel very warm and close, and
you find yourselve almost nervous about how right it feels and how
comfortable you are.  Yet there is still the excitement of the unknown.
Slowly I move your hair out of the way as I kiss the nape of your
neck.  It feels good.  We are both breathing heavier now.  I stop, and
pull my head away to look at how pretty you are again.  I have a big
smile on my face, and it's clear that I am very happy.  I tell you
about how much your eyes make me want you, want to hold you, want to
feel you.  I pull your head to my chest and you tell me  I smell good.
You notice how firmly I pull you torwards me as Kiss you on the lips.
We fit together perfectly and as we share each others lips, our mouths
open more and more.  After a few minutes of sweet surender, playfully
our tongues touch.  Lightly and gingerly.  We are getting to know each
other.
We are pressed closely together and I can feel your breasts firmly
against my body.  In my mind I imagine them naked against my skin.  My
grip on you tighens as I think more and more about it and you can feel
my hand moving and squeezing all over your back and your side.  It's
firm, hard and passionate.  I notice your hands have become more
adventurous as well.  One is still grabing my arm and the is around by
lower back, but your grip and movements are much more powerful.  You
are pulling me on top of you.
As you lean to side we kiss, and I gently lower you to lie down on the
sofa.  You are suprised at how easily I support you as your back comes
to a rest on the cushion.
My right leg crosses over your thigh as our lips press together.  My
kissing has become firmer and I'm kissing you all over, but I always
return to your lips.  Our tongue intertwine and we know exactly what
the other likes and what the other wants.  I am amazed how perfectly we
mesh and I can tell you feel perfectly relaxed with me, as if we were
made specifically for this particular moment.  I kiss your neck and
your cheek.  Our faces feel like they are on fire.  I kiss your ear and
along your jaw.  As you notice how wonderful that feels you become more
and more aroused.  The more aroused you become, the more turned on I
get which makes you even hotter.
I slide down you body and I expose your stomache.  The skin is so soft
and perfect.  I can't help myself from kissing you all over.  I'm
kissing all around your stomache as Your back arches and I throw my
arms underyou as you lift youself further away the sofa with every deep
breath.  I am forfully pulling your body to my mouth.  As I kiss your
stomache more and more I know what you are thinking about.  Your face
is turned to one side.  You cheak is flushed red.
As I look at you, yOur breasts tower between us.  I now have my hands
under your sweater against the skin. My right hand slides up and down
your side while the left one is still wraped around you, pulling you
close to me.  My fingers massage you knowingly.
I have to feel your breasts.  I slide my hand around an hold you
through your bra.  I gently but firmly squeeze and explore.  I gently
touch the exposed skin above your bra.  Then I return to the full of
your breast.  I can feel your hard nipple through the fabric of your
bra.   I run my fingers over the area of breast that is exposed again
and I slide up to kiss you some more.
Together we sit up straight and you pull your sweater over your head.
I unsnap your bra, gently remove it and expose your breasts.  I pull
close to you and I rub where you bra strap had been. I rub on your side
and then you back and you feel the release.  The closeness and
gentleness helps you feel completely relaxed and confident with me.
It's unusual for you to have the man to have so much control, and you
are suprised to find how much you like it.
I kiss all over you naked chest.  Under and around, slowly and gently,
I completly explore your breasts.  Then I circle your right nipple.
The pace pics up as we get more and more turned on.  I have your other
breast in my hand and it's firmness is making me want suck it so much
that I can't decide which one I want to hold more.  I suckle your
nipple and cirle it with my tounge.  My hand is firmly grabing you arm,
and your shoulder.  I wonder what it feels like to have me hold you so
tightly.  Then I suckle harder.  You must be enjoying it but at this
point I'm going so crazy with passion I can barely pay attention to
your heaving and the noises you are making.  I think my passion might
be turning you on as much as anthing else.
I sit up and paractically rip my shirt off.  You smile  at this and
almost giggle.  We stare for split instance at each others bodys.  Me
at your beautiful skin, full breasts and wonderful eyes, you at my
stomache and my chest.  YOur hands run over my stomache feeling the
lines in it as I lower myself onto you so I can feel your breasts
pressed against me.  As we kiss I can feel you pressed against me and
your skin all over me, wrapped around me.  We are pressed hard.  I kiss
you, I kiss your shoulders I kiss your neck and you ears.
I have slid between your legs and We are grinding firmly and smoothly.
I can feel you pelvis come up to meet me.  It started slowly but now
you are thrusting hard against me.  My dick is hard and pressed against
my pants.  It's trapped in there and it knows where it belongs.  Our
kissing is frantic as you grab my waist and pull me down on you hard.
As we get more excited excited, it's clear you are getting more and
more physical.  My kisses are more forceful and you are fully
reciprocating.  Your legs are up and wrapped around my around me, your
ankles crossed between my calves.  Your whole body is in every thrust.
We can barely find time to breath between our kisses.

Well, that's it for now...

NightLight9

Appearance – making a first impression on chicks

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Good ways to standout compared to other guys!



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here are some ways you can visually stand out.

wear a strange necklace (wear an extra  one to give to a girl to wear
until you meet again)
wear a cool interesting ring (or more than one)
wear a shiny shirt (open collar is sexual)
if you have long hair, leave it down (never parted in the center) or tied up
in a special way (not just a boring pony tail)
consider a wacked out hair-do - even color.
wear make up if you are so boring looking that you get nothing
spray sparkles in your hair
put on really strong fragrance (elevator clearing)
wear a pentacle

any others?  granted certain ones are for peacocking in a club while others
in the office.  whatever is your field, suggest ANYTHING that may assist the
boring jeans wearing afcs to stand out.

any more?

Good Pickup lines

Maniac High — Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com


Some good pick up lines!



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YOU: "I dont think we should get to know eachother"

HER: "why"

YOU: "I think you are just too much of a NICE GIRL for me."

HER: 

:D

mystery


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> Situation:
> 1)You're on a train, see two HB's laughing to each other,
> sitting down..what do you do?
>

(CRUDE (NEG)) "I smell laughter in the air, who's the naughty one?"
(CASUAL) "You know i am a comedian too...."


>
> 2)You're in Starbucks, HB in front of you in line. Trying to
> choose which cookie. She is alone, what do you do?
>

"I got milk, can u get the cookie?"

>
> 3)You're at a baseball game, two HB's sitting in front of you..
> One has a flag of the visiting team. What do you do?
>

"Go the (home team)" scream that in her ear