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MrSex4unyc explains how he would use rapport to do a mall PU!

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Dec  1 23:52:18 2000
Subject: Re: WARNING on relationship expectations - Saved by Our world
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:40:50 GMT

<< Just as a hypothetical situation ... I meet a hot babe. I say 
Hi. She's carrying a box of newly purchased shoes. We're at the 
mall. This amount of information is enough for me to concoct 
something suitably positive, state-building, and seductive, if I 
have a chance to sit down with a slide-rule and calculator, full 
logarithmic tables, and have forty-five minutes of uninterrupted 
time to use the third differential extrapolation, or at least to 
make an integral approximation according to the parabolic 
formula.

How do you do it RIGHT THEN AND THERE, fast enough? Just sit and 
stare and not say much? Or use non-committals like "how did you 
feel about that? pretty good, hunh?" Or are you so good, that 
you can always come up with a sentence that moves her in the 
right direction?

I thank you for your brilliant insights ... >>

given:
A) the chick has new shoes
B) you are standing in the mall
C) she is attractive
D) she stopped to allow you to talk to her when you greeted her

how was her day?
where did she buy the shoes?
what brand are they?
does she like that brand?  does she always buy shoes by them?
what does she like about their shoes?
what does she like about the shoes that she just bought?
what FIRST ATTRACTED her to the shoes? (VAK)
is she happy with her purchase?
what is she going to wear them with?
where is she going to wear them?
does she own something that she plans to match them to?
does she like shoes more than boots?
what brand sneakers does she like?
(if she owns sneakers) did you buy them for a sport?
do you work out?
what gym?
where is that located?
I really like this restaurant in that area, it's called...
they have the best...
have you ever tried... (food at the restaurant)
oh it's great -> describe using either V, A or K elicited above
(get her drooling)
{talk about how it feels sliding into her mouth}
{talk about how the flavor runs all over her tongue and down her throat (BJ)}
{talk up the experience until SHE says she would like to have that experience}
so... you feel you would like to go there with me sometime? (embedded command)
how can we get in contact with each other?

now... you will notice how far I got ONLY focusing on the shoes she bought. 
also, you can SEE how many tangents I COULD have taken off of virtually ANY of
the statements I made in that series.  the plan is NOT to make a plan.. the
plan is to PLAY IT WHERE IT LAYS.  if you say something that takes her out of
the state you want her in or makes it weaker, talk about the opposite OR go
back a level to the thing you were talking about BEFORE that was getting her
where you needed her to go.

also, formhandle was absolutely correct.  you have to DISAPPEAR in order to do
this.  you have to be inside her and thinking as she is thinking.  all that
shit about she is so good looking and you want to fuck her doggie-style and all
that other shit has to GO if you are going to be effective at judging her state
and how deep she is getting and when you are doing better and when you are
fucking up.

the idea is NOT to FORCE your way to inviting her to your house to suck your
dick.  the idea is to GAIN RAPPORT so that she believes that YOUR ideas are the
same as HER ideas.  pace her until you can lead her because she BELIEVES in
what you are saying.  THAT'S the goal.   once she BELIEVES in you, you can tell
her ANYTHING :)

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Maniac High — Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Forum: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Re: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/24 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

God, you've become a total AFC. Don't worry, there is a way out. 
I won't mention about all the mistakes you made so far, but in
spite of it all, at least you got this far, so lets go from here.. 
Looks like you are ready for serious kino (touching with this 
chick).Instructions follow...

> Later that day when I was back home we
> talked on the phone and she told me she was missing me a lot.. The next
> week she came here, and so we did had a damn beautiful day together, but
> things got a little different, we walked holding hands together all day,
> but nothing more.. 

That is good so far

>After all, she has a boyfriend.. 

So what? Obviusly she likes you right? Find out if she is in love 
with him (she'll say yes probably, but look at "how" she says it, 
if her eyes are at the floor or something like that...probably
doubtful..etc)

>We kept talking on the
> phone everyday, she always told me she missed me.. And finally she told me
> that she thought she was in love with me... 

Good sign, now make her verify that with a good tongue down her
througt.. details below

>Well I went back there a week
> later, went to her place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her
> bedroom she simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for
> quite some time..

Get to a private place again, get to hugging, then look into her 
eyes, stroke her hair gently, see how she reacts. If okay, or no 
reaction, the pull her in closer by her neck, gently, keep looking 
at her eyes. If still no bad reaction, finish pulling her in and 
try to kiss her.

NOW, she might move away, or say something, or give you her cheek 
or something. That is okay, girls often do this the first time.Just 
hug a little more, and then repeat the process again. The 2nd time, 
(or 3rd at the most), she should let you kiss her. 

If not, then, she's got other problems, post what happens after, 
and we'll look at it.

After the kiss, kiss her again, and tongue her down. DO this for a 
while, then you can try and fuck her if you want, or play around. 
So start kissing her neck, ears, etc. while your hand wanders around 
her shoulders, back and then her chest/breasts.... If okay, do
a bit more, then put hands under her shirt, get her breasts/nipples 
excited, then kiss breasts, move hands down to legs/crotch..repeat, 
get her pants off, get her excited with your fingers/lips, 
then fuck her.

> We did hug each other again and again during the day,
> but we never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were
> together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends)
> could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day..

Get her in a private place!! Then go for it like above!

> She told me
> she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. So she is
> coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am
> really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind like:
> "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", 

Maybe she doesn't want to be alone, and is waiting for you to make the move, 
then she'll dump him? Or maybe she just can't deicide.. 

>"Why doesn't she kiss me?",

Because you're the boy, so you have to kiss her...that is the way it 
works... The man leads, the woman follows (flames from feminazis will 
go to /dev/null)..

> "Why
> doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... 

SHe already did, just you missed all the cues...

>I am so damn
> confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every little
> detail.. I didn't.. 

See above.. 

>I just can't kiss her because she has a boyfriend, 

Thats bullshit..Thats not a reason, kiss her, then fuck her..she is gagging 
for it..

>and  because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me for any >reason,

Why? would you settle to just be her friend? Are you a man or a chump? 
If she doesn't want to get close to her, then fuck that, get another 
chick, she is wasting your time, and she will just hug you and you get 
to be the blanket while she fucks her BF.. fuck that shit, you are worth 
better than that..

In fact, you should be getting other chicks besides this one anyways, 
then you'll have confidence in front of this one and you won't
supplicate so much. She will see this, and like you even more..

> I
> just din't want to force anything.. 

You have to, your the man. Forget that femenazi shit they teach you in 
school. If you want something, you got to take it. Just watch her 
resistance. Like resistance is okay, severe resistance is not (ie. when 
she looks definately angry).

>And I can't ask her directly because
> almost in the beggining of this relationship between the two of us started
> I asked her if she liked me (She told me back then she simply didn't know,

She sounds confused, test her by doing the above I said. Because 
what a chick says, and does are two entirely different things 
anyways. Never listen to what a chick says she wants/doesn't 
want unless you qualify by seeing what she will/willnot do too..

> but that I attracted her a lot in a way she couldn't explain, and she also
> said that all this could get very big), but she told me she was sad
> because I asked her that.. So now I don't want to risk her being sad with
> me again... 

So don't ask her, just kiss her and get her...She wants you, 
but just she doesn't want to feel guilty, or feel she decided 
against her old BF, she wants you to do it for her so she feels 
she didn't really have the choice...classic chick logic at work 
here, just ignore that shit..

> I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible reply
> to my email directly, because I am having some problems with my news
> server...
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Someone
> 

That should be enough to get you to 1st base, and probably the
whole home run. If a chick was being like this to be, like you
described, I am sure I could lay her *that very night*! You can
do, just follow the instructions above...

THen report here what happened (success/failure/how)..

Maniac
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MrSex4unyc explains how he would use rapport to do a mall PU!

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Dec  1 23:52:18 2000
Subject: Re: WARNING on relationship expectations - Saved by Our world
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:40:50 GMT

<< Just as a hypothetical situation ... I meet a hot babe. I say 
Hi. She's carrying a box of newly purchased shoes. We're at the 
mall. This amount of information is enough for me to concoct 
something suitably positive, state-building, and seductive, if I 
have a chance to sit down with a slide-rule and calculator, full 
logarithmic tables, and have forty-five minutes of uninterrupted 
time to use the third differential extrapolation, or at least to 
make an integral approximation according to the parabolic 
formula.

How do you do it RIGHT THEN AND THERE, fast enough? Just sit and 
stare and not say much? Or use non-committals like "how did you 
feel about that? pretty good, hunh?" Or are you so good, that 
you can always come up with a sentence that moves her in the 
right direction?

I thank you for your brilliant insights ... >>

given:
A) the chick has new shoes
B) you are standing in the mall
C) she is attractive
D) she stopped to allow you to talk to her when you greeted her

how was her day?
where did she buy the shoes?
what brand are they?
does she like that brand?  does she always buy shoes by them?
what does she like about their shoes?
what does she like about the shoes that she just bought?
what FIRST ATTRACTED her to the shoes? (VAK)
is she happy with her purchase?
what is she going to wear them with?
where is she going to wear them?
does she own something that she plans to match them to?
does she like shoes more than boots?
what brand sneakers does she like?
(if she owns sneakers) did you buy them for a sport?
do you work out?
what gym?
where is that located?
I really like this restaurant in that area, it's called...
they have the best...
have you ever tried... (food at the restaurant)
oh it's great -> describe using either V, A or K elicited above
(get her drooling)
{talk about how it feels sliding into her mouth}
{talk about how the flavor runs all over her tongue and down her throat (BJ)}
{talk up the experience until SHE says she would like to have that experience}
so... you feel you would like to go there with me sometime? (embedded command)
how can we get in contact with each other?

now... you will notice how far I got ONLY focusing on the shoes she bought. 
also, you can SEE how many tangents I COULD have taken off of virtually ANY of
the statements I made in that series.  the plan is NOT to make a plan.. the
plan is to PLAY IT WHERE IT LAYS.  if you say something that takes her out of
the state you want her in or makes it weaker, talk about the opposite OR go
back a level to the thing you were talking about BEFORE that was getting her
where you needed her to go.

also, formhandle was absolutely correct.  you have to DISAPPEAR in order to do
this.  you have to be inside her and thinking as she is thinking.  all that
shit about she is so good looking and you want to fuck her doggie-style and all
that other shit has to GO if you are going to be effective at judging her state
and how deep she is getting and when you are doing better and when you are
fucking up.

the idea is NOT to FORCE your way to inviting her to your house to suck your
dick.  the idea is to GAIN RAPPORT so that she believes that YOUR ideas are the
same as HER ideas.  pace her until you can lead her because she BELIEVES in
what you are saying.  THAT'S the goal.   once she BELIEVES in you, you can tell
her ANYTHING :)

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Comment on "Someone's" Basic Pickup Attempt with common mistakes: by Maniac High; 

Forum: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Re: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/24 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

God, you've become a total AFC. Don't worry, there is a way out. 
I won't mention about all the mistakes you made so far, but in
spite of it all, at least you got this far, so lets go from here.. 
Looks like you are ready for serious kino (touching with this 
chick).Instructions follow...

> Later that day when I was back home we
> talked on the phone and she told me she was missing me a lot.. The next
> week she came here, and so we did had a damn beautiful day together, but
> things got a little different, we walked holding hands together all day,
> but nothing more.. 

That is good so far

>After all, she has a boyfriend.. 

So what? Obviusly she likes you right? Find out if she is in love 
with him (she'll say yes probably, but look at "how" she says it, 
if her eyes are at the floor or something like that...probably
doubtful..etc)

>We kept talking on the
> phone everyday, she always told me she missed me.. And finally she told me
> that she thought she was in love with me... 

Good sign, now make her verify that with a good tongue down her
througt.. details below

>Well I went back there a week
> later, went to her place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her
> bedroom she simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for
> quite some time..

Get to a private place again, get to hugging, then look into her 
eyes, stroke her hair gently, see how she reacts. If okay, or no 
reaction, the pull her in closer by her neck, gently, keep looking 
at her eyes. If still no bad reaction, finish pulling her in and 
try to kiss her.

NOW, she might move away, or say something, or give you her cheek 
or something. That is okay, girls often do this the first time.Just 
hug a little more, and then repeat the process again. The 2nd time, 
(or 3rd at the most), she should let you kiss her. 

If not, then, she's got other problems, post what happens after, 
and we'll look at it.

After the kiss, kiss her again, and tongue her down. DO this for a 
while, then you can try and fuck her if you want, or play around. 
So start kissing her neck, ears, etc. while your hand wanders around 
her shoulders, back and then her chest/breasts.... If okay, do
a bit more, then put hands under her shirt, get her breasts/nipples 
excited, then kiss breasts, move hands down to legs/crotch..repeat, 
get her pants off, get her excited with your fingers/lips, 
then fuck her.

> We did hug each other again and again during the day,
> but we never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were
> together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends)
> could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day..

Get her in a private place!! Then go for it like above!

> She told me
> she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. So she is
> coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am
> really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind like:
> "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", 

Maybe she doesn't want to be alone, and is waiting for you to make the move, 
then she'll dump him? Or maybe she just can't deicide.. 

>"Why doesn't she kiss me?",

Because you're the boy, so you have to kiss her...that is the way it 
works... The man leads, the woman follows (flames from feminazis will 
go to /dev/null)..

> "Why
> doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... 

SHe already did, just you missed all the cues...

>I am so damn
> confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every little
> detail.. I didn't.. 

See above.. 

>I just can't kiss her because she has a boyfriend, 

Thats bullshit..Thats not a reason, kiss her, then fuck her..she is gagging 
for it..

>and  because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me for any >reason,

Why? would you settle to just be her friend? Are you a man or a chump? 
If she doesn't want to get close to her, then fuck that, get another 
chick, she is wasting your time, and she will just hug you and you get 
to be the blanket while she fucks her BF.. fuck that shit, you are worth 
better than that..

In fact, you should be getting other chicks besides this one anyways, 
then you'll have confidence in front of this one and you won't
supplicate so much. She will see this, and like you even more..

> I
> just din't want to force anything.. 

You have to, your the man. Forget that femenazi shit they teach you in 
school. If you want something, you got to take it. Just watch her 
resistance. Like resistance is okay, severe resistance is not (ie. when 
she looks definately angry).

>And I can't ask her directly because
> almost in the beggining of this relationship between the two of us started
> I asked her if she liked me (She told me back then she simply didn't know,

She sounds confused, test her by doing the above I said. Because 
what a chick says, and does are two entirely different things 
anyways. Never listen to what a chick says she wants/doesn't 
want unless you qualify by seeing what she will/willnot do too..

> but that I attracted her a lot in a way she couldn't explain, and she also
> said that all this could get very big), but she told me she was sad
> because I asked her that.. So now I don't want to risk her being sad with
> me again... 

So don't ask her, just kiss her and get her...She wants you, 
but just she doesn't want to feel guilty, or feel she decided 
against her old BF, she wants you to do it for her so she feels 
she didn't really have the choice...classic chick logic at work 
here, just ignore that shit..

> I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible reply
> to my email directly, because I am having some problems with my news
> server...
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Someone
> 

That should be enough to get you to 1st base, and probably the
whole home run. If a chick was being like this to be, like you
described, I am sure I could lay her *that very night*! You can
do, just follow the instructions above...

THen report here what happened (success/failure/how)..

Maniac
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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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MrSex4unyc explains how he would use rapport to do a mall PU!

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Dec  1 23:52:18 2000
Subject: Re: WARNING on relationship expectations - Saved by Our world
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:40:50 GMT

<< Just as a hypothetical situation ... I meet a hot babe. I say 
Hi. She's carrying a box of newly purchased shoes. We're at the 
mall. This amount of information is enough for me to concoct 
something suitably positive, state-building, and seductive, if I 
have a chance to sit down with a slide-rule and calculator, full 
logarithmic tables, and have forty-five minutes of uninterrupted 
time to use the third differential extrapolation, or at least to 
make an integral approximation according to the parabolic 
formula.

How do you do it RIGHT THEN AND THERE, fast enough? Just sit and 
stare and not say much? Or use non-committals like "how did you 
feel about that? pretty good, hunh?" Or are you so good, that 
you can always come up with a sentence that moves her in the 
right direction?

I thank you for your brilliant insights ... >>

given:
A) the chick has new shoes
B) you are standing in the mall
C) she is attractive
D) she stopped to allow you to talk to her when you greeted her

how was her day?
where did she buy the shoes?
what brand are they?
does she like that brand?  does she always buy shoes by them?
what does she like about their shoes?
what does she like about the shoes that she just bought?
what FIRST ATTRACTED her to the shoes? (VAK)
is she happy with her purchase?
what is she going to wear them with?
where is she going to wear them?
does she own something that she plans to match them to?
does she like shoes more than boots?
what brand sneakers does she like?
(if she owns sneakers) did you buy them for a sport?
do you work out?
what gym?
where is that located?
I really like this restaurant in that area, it's called...
they have the best...
have you ever tried... (food at the restaurant)
oh it's great -> describe using either V, A or K elicited above
(get her drooling)
{talk about how it feels sliding into her mouth}
{talk about how the flavor runs all over her tongue and down her throat (BJ)}
{talk up the experience until SHE says she would like to have that experience}
so... you feel you would like to go there with me sometime? (embedded command)
how can we get in contact with each other?

now... you will notice how far I got ONLY focusing on the shoes she bought. 
also, you can SEE how many tangents I COULD have taken off of virtually ANY of
the statements I made in that series.  the plan is NOT to make a plan.. the
plan is to PLAY IT WHERE IT LAYS.  if you say something that takes her out of
the state you want her in or makes it weaker, talk about the opposite OR go
back a level to the thing you were talking about BEFORE that was getting her
where you needed her to go.

also, formhandle was absolutely correct.  you have to DISAPPEAR in order to do
this.  you have to be inside her and thinking as she is thinking.  all that
shit about she is so good looking and you want to fuck her doggie-style and all
that other shit has to GO if you are going to be effective at judging her state
and how deep she is getting and when you are doing better and when you are
fucking up.

the idea is NOT to FORCE your way to inviting her to your house to suck your
dick.  the idea is to GAIN RAPPORT so that she believes that YOUR ideas are the
same as HER ideas.  pace her until you can lead her because she BELIEVES in
what you are saying.  THAT'S the goal.   once she BELIEVES in you, you can tell
her ANYTHING :)

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » ideas

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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MrSex4unyc explains how he would use rapport to do a mall PU!

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Dec  1 23:52:18 2000
Subject: Re: WARNING on relationship expectations - Saved by Our world
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:40:50 GMT

<< Just as a hypothetical situation ... I meet a hot babe. I say 
Hi. She's carrying a box of newly purchased shoes. We're at the 
mall. This amount of information is enough for me to concoct 
something suitably positive, state-building, and seductive, if I 
have a chance to sit down with a slide-rule and calculator, full 
logarithmic tables, and have forty-five minutes of uninterrupted 
time to use the third differential extrapolation, or at least to 
make an integral approximation according to the parabolic 
formula.

How do you do it RIGHT THEN AND THERE, fast enough? Just sit and 
stare and not say much? Or use non-committals like "how did you 
feel about that? pretty good, hunh?" Or are you so good, that 
you can always come up with a sentence that moves her in the 
right direction?

I thank you for your brilliant insights ... >>

given:
A) the chick has new shoes
B) you are standing in the mall
C) she is attractive
D) she stopped to allow you to talk to her when you greeted her

how was her day?
where did she buy the shoes?
what brand are they?
does she like that brand?  does she always buy shoes by them?
what does she like about their shoes?
what does she like about the shoes that she just bought?
what FIRST ATTRACTED her to the shoes? (VAK)
is she happy with her purchase?
what is she going to wear them with?
where is she going to wear them?
does she own something that she plans to match them to?
does she like shoes more than boots?
what brand sneakers does she like?
(if she owns sneakers) did you buy them for a sport?
do you work out?
what gym?
where is that located?
I really like this restaurant in that area, it's called...
they have the best...
have you ever tried... (food at the restaurant)
oh it's great -> describe using either V, A or K elicited above
(get her drooling)
{talk about how it feels sliding into her mouth}
{talk about how the flavor runs all over her tongue and down her throat (BJ)}
{talk up the experience until SHE says she would like to have that experience}
so... you feel you would like to go there with me sometime? (embedded command)
how can we get in contact with each other?

now... you will notice how far I got ONLY focusing on the shoes she bought. 
also, you can SEE how many tangents I COULD have taken off of virtually ANY of
the statements I made in that series.  the plan is NOT to make a plan.. the
plan is to PLAY IT WHERE IT LAYS.  if you say something that takes her out of
the state you want her in or makes it weaker, talk about the opposite OR go
back a level to the thing you were talking about BEFORE that was getting her
where you needed her to go.

also, formhandle was absolutely correct.  you have to DISAPPEAR in order to do
this.  you have to be inside her and thinking as she is thinking.  all that
shit about she is so good looking and you want to fuck her doggie-style and all
that other shit has to GO if you are going to be effective at judging her state
and how deep she is getting and when you are doing better and when you are
fucking up.

the idea is NOT to FORCE your way to inviting her to your house to suck your
dick.  the idea is to GAIN RAPPORT so that she believes that YOUR ideas are the
same as HER ideas.  pace her until you can lead her because she BELIEVES in
what you are saying.  THAT'S the goal.   once she BELIEVES in you, you can tell
her ANYTHING :)

Comments on the above story

Maniac High — Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Comment on "Someone's" Basic Pickup Attempt with common mistakes: by Maniac High; 

Forum: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Re: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/24 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

God, you've become a total AFC. Don't worry, there is a way out. 
I won't mention about all the mistakes you made so far, but in
spite of it all, at least you got this far, so lets go from here.. 
Looks like you are ready for serious kino (touching with this 
chick).Instructions follow...

> Later that day when I was back home we
> talked on the phone and she told me she was missing me a lot.. The next
> week she came here, and so we did had a damn beautiful day together, but
> things got a little different, we walked holding hands together all day,
> but nothing more.. 

That is good so far

>After all, she has a boyfriend.. 

So what? Obviusly she likes you right? Find out if she is in love 
with him (she'll say yes probably, but look at "how" she says it, 
if her eyes are at the floor or something like that...probably
doubtful..etc)

>We kept talking on the
> phone everyday, she always told me she missed me.. And finally she told me
> that she thought she was in love with me... 

Good sign, now make her verify that with a good tongue down her
througt.. details below

>Well I went back there a week
> later, went to her place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her
> bedroom she simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for
> quite some time..

Get to a private place again, get to hugging, then look into her 
eyes, stroke her hair gently, see how she reacts. If okay, or no 
reaction, the pull her in closer by her neck, gently, keep looking 
at her eyes. If still no bad reaction, finish pulling her in and 
try to kiss her.

NOW, she might move away, or say something, or give you her cheek 
or something. That is okay, girls often do this the first time.Just 
hug a little more, and then repeat the process again. The 2nd time, 
(or 3rd at the most), she should let you kiss her. 

If not, then, she's got other problems, post what happens after, 
and we'll look at it.

After the kiss, kiss her again, and tongue her down. DO this for a 
while, then you can try and fuck her if you want, or play around. 
So start kissing her neck, ears, etc. while your hand wanders around 
her shoulders, back and then her chest/breasts.... If okay, do
a bit more, then put hands under her shirt, get her breasts/nipples 
excited, then kiss breasts, move hands down to legs/crotch..repeat, 
get her pants off, get her excited with your fingers/lips, 
then fuck her.

> We did hug each other again and again during the day,
> but we never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were
> together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends)
> could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day..

Get her in a private place!! Then go for it like above!

> She told me
> she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. So she is
> coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am
> really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind like:
> "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", 

Maybe she doesn't want to be alone, and is waiting for you to make the move, 
then she'll dump him? Or maybe she just can't deicide.. 

>"Why doesn't she kiss me?",

Because you're the boy, so you have to kiss her...that is the way it 
works... The man leads, the woman follows (flames from feminazis will 
go to /dev/null)..

> "Why
> doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... 

SHe already did, just you missed all the cues...

>I am so damn
> confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every little
> detail.. I didn't.. 

See above.. 

>I just can't kiss her because she has a boyfriend, 

Thats bullshit..Thats not a reason, kiss her, then fuck her..she is gagging 
for it..

>and  because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me for any >reason,

Why? would you settle to just be her friend? Are you a man or a chump? 
If she doesn't want to get close to her, then fuck that, get another 
chick, she is wasting your time, and she will just hug you and you get 
to be the blanket while she fucks her BF.. fuck that shit, you are worth 
better than that..

In fact, you should be getting other chicks besides this one anyways, 
then you'll have confidence in front of this one and you won't
supplicate so much. She will see this, and like you even more..

> I
> just din't want to force anything.. 

You have to, your the man. Forget that femenazi shit they teach you in 
school. If you want something, you got to take it. Just watch her 
resistance. Like resistance is okay, severe resistance is not (ie. when 
she looks definately angry).

>And I can't ask her directly because
> almost in the beggining of this relationship between the two of us started
> I asked her if she liked me (She told me back then she simply didn't know,

She sounds confused, test her by doing the above I said. Because 
what a chick says, and does are two entirely different things 
anyways. Never listen to what a chick says she wants/doesn't 
want unless you qualify by seeing what she will/willnot do too..

> but that I attracted her a lot in a way she couldn't explain, and she also
> said that all this could get very big), but she told me she was sad
> because I asked her that.. So now I don't want to risk her being sad with
> me again... 

So don't ask her, just kiss her and get her...She wants you, 
but just she doesn't want to feel guilty, or feel she decided 
against her old BF, she wants you to do it for her so she feels 
she didn't really have the choice...classic chick logic at work 
here, just ignore that shit..

> I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible reply
> to my email directly, because I am having some problems with my news
> server...
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Someone
> 

That should be enough to get you to 1st base, and probably the
whole home run. If a chick was being like this to be, like you
described, I am sure I could lay her *that very night*! You can
do, just follow the instructions above...

THen report here what happened (success/failure/how)..

Maniac
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Maniac High — Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Comment on "Someone's" Basic Pickup Attempt with common mistakes: by Maniac High; 

Forum: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Re: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/24 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

God, you've become a total AFC. Don't worry, there is a way out. 
I won't mention about all the mistakes you made so far, but in
spite of it all, at least you got this far, so lets go from here.. 
Looks like you are ready for serious kino (touching with this 
chick).Instructions follow...

> Later that day when I was back home we
> talked on the phone and she told me she was missing me a lot.. The next
> week she came here, and so we did had a damn beautiful day together, but
> things got a little different, we walked holding hands together all day,
> but nothing more.. 

That is good so far

>After all, she has a boyfriend.. 

So what? Obviusly she likes you right? Find out if she is in love 
with him (she'll say yes probably, but look at "how" she says it, 
if her eyes are at the floor or something like that...probably
doubtful..etc)

>We kept talking on the
> phone everyday, she always told me she missed me.. And finally she told me
> that she thought she was in love with me... 

Good sign, now make her verify that with a good tongue down her
througt.. details below

>Well I went back there a week
> later, went to her place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her
> bedroom she simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for
> quite some time..

Get to a private place again, get to hugging, then look into her 
eyes, stroke her hair gently, see how she reacts. If okay, or no 
reaction, the pull her in closer by her neck, gently, keep looking 
at her eyes. If still no bad reaction, finish pulling her in and 
try to kiss her.

NOW, she might move away, or say something, or give you her cheek 
or something. That is okay, girls often do this the first time.Just 
hug a little more, and then repeat the process again. The 2nd time, 
(or 3rd at the most), she should let you kiss her. 

If not, then, she's got other problems, post what happens after, 
and we'll look at it.

After the kiss, kiss her again, and tongue her down. DO this for a 
while, then you can try and fuck her if you want, or play around. 
So start kissing her neck, ears, etc. while your hand wanders around 
her shoulders, back and then her chest/breasts.... If okay, do
a bit more, then put hands under her shirt, get her breasts/nipples 
excited, then kiss breasts, move hands down to legs/crotch..repeat, 
get her pants off, get her excited with your fingers/lips, 
then fuck her.

> We did hug each other again and again during the day,
> but we never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were
> together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends)
> could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day..

Get her in a private place!! Then go for it like above!

> She told me
> she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. So she is
> coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am
> really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind like:
> "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", 

Maybe she doesn't want to be alone, and is waiting for you to make the move, 
then she'll dump him? Or maybe she just can't deicide.. 

>"Why doesn't she kiss me?",

Because you're the boy, so you have to kiss her...that is the way it 
works... The man leads, the woman follows (flames from feminazis will 
go to /dev/null)..

> "Why
> doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... 

SHe already did, just you missed all the cues...

>I am so damn
> confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every little
> detail.. I didn't.. 

See above.. 

>I just can't kiss her because she has a boyfriend, 

Thats bullshit..Thats not a reason, kiss her, then fuck her..she is gagging 
for it..

>and  because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me for any >reason,

Why? would you settle to just be her friend? Are you a man or a chump? 
If she doesn't want to get close to her, then fuck that, get another 
chick, she is wasting your time, and she will just hug you and you get 
to be the blanket while she fucks her BF.. fuck that shit, you are worth 
better than that..

In fact, you should be getting other chicks besides this one anyways, 
then you'll have confidence in front of this one and you won't
supplicate so much. She will see this, and like you even more..

> I
> just din't want to force anything.. 

You have to, your the man. Forget that femenazi shit they teach you in 
school. If you want something, you got to take it. Just watch her 
resistance. Like resistance is okay, severe resistance is not (ie. when 
she looks definately angry).

>And I can't ask her directly because
> almost in the beggining of this relationship between the two of us started
> I asked her if she liked me (She told me back then she simply didn't know,

She sounds confused, test her by doing the above I said. Because 
what a chick says, and does are two entirely different things 
anyways. Never listen to what a chick says she wants/doesn't 
want unless you qualify by seeing what she will/willnot do too..

> but that I attracted her a lot in a way she couldn't explain, and she also
> said that all this could get very big), but she told me she was sad
> because I asked her that.. So now I don't want to risk her being sad with
> me again... 

So don't ask her, just kiss her and get her...She wants you, 
but just she doesn't want to feel guilty, or feel she decided 
against her old BF, she wants you to do it for her so she feels 
she didn't really have the choice...classic chick logic at work 
here, just ignore that shit..

> I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible reply
> to my email directly, because I am having some problems with my news
> server...
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Someone
> 

That should be enough to get you to 1st base, and probably the
whole home run. If a chick was being like this to be, like you
described, I am sure I could lay her *that very night*! You can
do, just follow the instructions above...

THen report here what happened (success/failure/how)..

Maniac
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MrSex4unyc explains how he would use rapport to do a mall PU!

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Dec  1 23:52:18 2000
Subject: Re: WARNING on relationship expectations - Saved by Our world
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:40:50 GMT

<< Just as a hypothetical situation ... I meet a hot babe. I say 
Hi. She's carrying a box of newly purchased shoes. We're at the 
mall. This amount of information is enough for me to concoct 
something suitably positive, state-building, and seductive, if I 
have a chance to sit down with a slide-rule and calculator, full 
logarithmic tables, and have forty-five minutes of uninterrupted 
time to use the third differential extrapolation, or at least to 
make an integral approximation according to the parabolic 
formula.

How do you do it RIGHT THEN AND THERE, fast enough? Just sit and 
stare and not say much? Or use non-committals like "how did you 
feel about that? pretty good, hunh?" Or are you so good, that 
you can always come up with a sentence that moves her in the 
right direction?

I thank you for your brilliant insights ... >>

given:
A) the chick has new shoes
B) you are standing in the mall
C) she is attractive
D) she stopped to allow you to talk to her when you greeted her

how was her day?
where did she buy the shoes?
what brand are they?
does she like that brand?  does she always buy shoes by them?
what does she like about their shoes?
what does she like about the shoes that she just bought?
what FIRST ATTRACTED her to the shoes? (VAK)
is she happy with her purchase?
what is she going to wear them with?
where is she going to wear them?
does she own something that she plans to match them to?
does she like shoes more than boots?
what brand sneakers does she like?
(if she owns sneakers) did you buy them for a sport?
do you work out?
what gym?
where is that located?
I really like this restaurant in that area, it's called...
they have the best...
have you ever tried... (food at the restaurant)
oh it's great -> describe using either V, A or K elicited above
(get her drooling)
{talk about how it feels sliding into her mouth}
{talk about how the flavor runs all over her tongue and down her throat (BJ)}
{talk up the experience until SHE says she would like to have that experience}
so... you feel you would like to go there with me sometime? (embedded command)
how can we get in contact with each other?

now... you will notice how far I got ONLY focusing on the shoes she bought. 
also, you can SEE how many tangents I COULD have taken off of virtually ANY of
the statements I made in that series.  the plan is NOT to make a plan.. the
plan is to PLAY IT WHERE IT LAYS.  if you say something that takes her out of
the state you want her in or makes it weaker, talk about the opposite OR go
back a level to the thing you were talking about BEFORE that was getting her
where you needed her to go.

also, formhandle was absolutely correct.  you have to DISAPPEAR in order to do
this.  you have to be inside her and thinking as she is thinking.  all that
shit about she is so good looking and you want to fuck her doggie-style and all
that other shit has to GO if you are going to be effective at judging her state
and how deep she is getting and when you are doing better and when you are
fucking up.

the idea is NOT to FORCE your way to inviting her to your house to suck your
dick.  the idea is to GAIN RAPPORT so that she believes that YOUR ideas are the
same as HER ideas.  pace her until you can lead her because she BELIEVES in
what you are saying.  THAT'S the goal.   once she BELIEVES in you, you can tell
her ANYTHING :)

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Maniac High — Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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Comment on "Someone's" Basic Pickup Attempt with common mistakes: by Maniac High; 

Forum: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Re: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/24 
Author: maniac_high  
   Posting History   Member Profile    

God, you've become a total AFC. Don't worry, there is a way out. 
I won't mention about all the mistakes you made so far, but in
spite of it all, at least you got this far, so lets go from here.. 
Looks like you are ready for serious kino (touching with this 
chick).Instructions follow...

> Later that day when I was back home we
> talked on the phone and she told me she was missing me a lot.. The next
> week she came here, and so we did had a damn beautiful day together, but
> things got a little different, we walked holding hands together all day,
> but nothing more.. 

That is good so far

>After all, she has a boyfriend.. 

So what? Obviusly she likes you right? Find out if she is in love 
with him (she'll say yes probably, but look at "how" she says it, 
if her eyes are at the floor or something like that...probably
doubtful..etc)

>We kept talking on the
> phone everyday, she always told me she missed me.. And finally she told me
> that she thought she was in love with me... 

Good sign, now make her verify that with a good tongue down her
througt.. details below

>Well I went back there a week
> later, went to her place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her
> bedroom she simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for
> quite some time..

Get to a private place again, get to hugging, then look into her 
eyes, stroke her hair gently, see how she reacts. If okay, or no 
reaction, the pull her in closer by her neck, gently, keep looking 
at her eyes. If still no bad reaction, finish pulling her in and 
try to kiss her.

NOW, she might move away, or say something, or give you her cheek 
or something. That is okay, girls often do this the first time.Just 
hug a little more, and then repeat the process again. The 2nd time, 
(or 3rd at the most), she should let you kiss her. 

If not, then, she's got other problems, post what happens after, 
and we'll look at it.

After the kiss, kiss her again, and tongue her down. DO this for a 
while, then you can try and fuck her if you want, or play around. 
So start kissing her neck, ears, etc. while your hand wanders around 
her shoulders, back and then her chest/breasts.... If okay, do
a bit more, then put hands under her shirt, get her breasts/nipples 
excited, then kiss breasts, move hands down to legs/crotch..repeat, 
get her pants off, get her excited with your fingers/lips, 
then fuck her.

> We did hug each other again and again during the day,
> but we never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were
> together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends)
> could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day..

Get her in a private place!! Then go for it like above!

> She told me
> she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. So she is
> coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am
> really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind like:
> "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", 

Maybe she doesn't want to be alone, and is waiting for you to make the move, 
then she'll dump him? Or maybe she just can't deicide.. 

>"Why doesn't she kiss me?",

Because you're the boy, so you have to kiss her...that is the way it 
works... The man leads, the woman follows (flames from feminazis will 
go to /dev/null)..

> "Why
> doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... 

SHe already did, just you missed all the cues...

>I am so damn
> confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every little
> detail.. I didn't.. 

See above.. 

>I just can't kiss her because she has a boyfriend, 

Thats bullshit..Thats not a reason, kiss her, then fuck her..she is gagging 
for it..

>and  because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me for any >reason,

Why? would you settle to just be her friend? Are you a man or a chump? 
If she doesn't want to get close to her, then fuck that, get another 
chick, she is wasting your time, and she will just hug you and you get 
to be the blanket while she fucks her BF.. fuck that shit, you are worth 
better than that..

In fact, you should be getting other chicks besides this one anyways, 
then you'll have confidence in front of this one and you won't
supplicate so much. She will see this, and like you even more..

> I
> just din't want to force anything.. 

You have to, your the man. Forget that femenazi shit they teach you in 
school. If you want something, you got to take it. Just watch her 
resistance. Like resistance is okay, severe resistance is not (ie. when 
she looks definately angry).

>And I can't ask her directly because
> almost in the beggining of this relationship between the two of us started
> I asked her if she liked me (She told me back then she simply didn't know,

She sounds confused, test her by doing the above I said. Because 
what a chick says, and does are two entirely different things 
anyways. Never listen to what a chick says she wants/doesn't 
want unless you qualify by seeing what she will/willnot do too..

> but that I attracted her a lot in a way she couldn't explain, and she also
> said that all this could get very big), but she told me she was sad
> because I asked her that.. So now I don't want to risk her being sad with
> me again... 

So don't ask her, just kiss her and get her...She wants you, 
but just she doesn't want to feel guilty, or feel she decided 
against her old BF, she wants you to do it for her so she feels 
she didn't really have the choice...classic chick logic at work 
here, just ignore that shit..

> I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible reply
> to my email directly, because I am having some problems with my news
> server...
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Someone
> 

That should be enough to get you to 1st base, and probably the
whole home run. If a chick was being like this to be, like you
described, I am sure I could lay her *that very night*! You can
do, just follow the instructions above...

THen report here what happened (success/failure/how)..

Maniac
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Maniac High — Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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"Someone" writes on his Basic Pickup Attempt with common mistakes

Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast 
Subject: Got any ideas on this??? 
Date: 1999/06/23 
Author: "Someone"

Hey
Here's the my problem (I don't know if it can be called a problem :P) 
I've met this girl a few months ago in a gothic bar, and she had and 
still has a boyfriend.. Well I do not live in the same city as her, 
we live about 150 miles away from each other.. 

Well, we quickly started 
a great conversation while her boyfriend was somewhere, and we both 
were really ok talking to each other immediatly.. So we really liked 
each other.. 3 days later I got a letter from her, I replied, and so 
we did started writing each other. I told her almost immediatly I 
considered her VERY VERY beautiful (and she really is).. 

Well about 
1 month later she told me she wanted to see me again, so I got myself 
on a train and went to meet her, and we really had a great day together, 
just like we were the best friends, that is: no intimacy.. Later that 
day when I was back home we talked on the phone and she told me she was 
missing me a lot.. 

The next week she came here, and so we did had a
 damn beautiful day together, but things got a little different, we 
walked holding hands together all day, but nothing more.. After all, 
she has a boyfriend.. We kept talking on the phone everyday, she always 
told me she missed me.. And finally she told me that she thought she was 
in love with me... 

Well I went back there a week later, went to her 
place, met her family, when I was alone with her in her bedroom she 
simply gives me this huge hug, and we stayed that way for quite some 
time.. We did hug each other again and again during the day, but we 
never really kissed, not on the lips at least.. Even though we were 
together in a place where many of her friends (and boyfriend's friends) 
could eventually see us together, we did hold hands all day.. She told 
me she didn't want me to go back home.. But I really had to.. 

So she is 
coming back this week.. And everything is set to happen.. Anyway, I am 
really confused.. I've got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind 
like: "Why doesn't she leave her boyfriend?", "Why doesn't she kiss 
me?", "Why doesn't she really tell me what she wants from me?"... I 
am so damn confused... She always knew what I feel for her, with every 
little detail.. I didn't.. 

I just can't kiss her because she has a 
boyfriend, and because I don't want to risk that she gets mad at me 
for any reason, I just din't want to force anything.. And I can't ask 
her directly because almost in the beggining of this relationship 
between the two of us started I asked her if she liked me (She told me 
back then she simply didn't know, but that I attracted her a lot in a 
way she couldn't explain, and she also said that all this could get 
very big), but she told me she was sad because I asked her that.. So 
now I don't want to risk her being sad with me again... 

I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone, if possible 
reply to my email directly, because I am having some problems with 
my news server...

Thank you in advance

Someone