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Doing Successful Openers

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
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   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here it is....for comments/suggestions/points of clarification. Distills fucking
17 years of wisdom into a Guide that most cats can use. Perhaps a bit weak
on the higher-level organization (e.g., FMACTGH-style map) but in general it
covers most points.

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

Q-Why should we believe what you say? What is your success like?
A-In absolute numbers, by my count I have pulled about 16 women for same
nite fucks out of clubs (ONS) over the last 4 years. These women gave
themselves completely to me physically, including penetration. Add another 5
or 6 for hotels/apartment takeaways that typically went to 3rd base, but did not
involve full sex. On top of that, I have solicited over 100 phone #`s and had
follow-on relations with at least a dozen women whom I met initially in
clubs. These women have been white, Asian, Hispanic and black, with an age
distribution between 17 and mid-30s. Most have been J chicks in Tokyo.
I am not a clubber per se. I specifically go to clubs to meet women, not to
listen to the music (although I do enjoy the atmosphere of most clubs), and
importantly not to shoot the shit with male friends. I probably go out from 15
to 30 times per year. I usually work dance clubs (discos), with hip-hop &
rock bars high on the list. Increasingly I am finding my style works in
English/Irish pub settings as well, although there it is much more of a
mainstream PU as may be espoused by the likes of Maniac or Mystery... I
have often worked kink/fringe clubs as well (e.g., End-Up in San Francisco or
ManRay in Boston). I tend to avoid `hard core` clubs on rap or techno these
days --> a more mixed set is to my liking.

Q: Tokyo is Easy! Do your techniques work elsewhere?
A:I have pulled women in Boston (Landsdowne Street), Chicago (Rush
Street/North End), and San Francisco (Mission/Folsom district). I find Tokyo
to be the easiest market, but the techniques are generally applicable
anywhere. Tokyo is getting more difficult as more foreigners enter, and also
potentially because I am aging (more on that later).

Q: Why do you work clubs? Is it harder or easier than other channels? What
are the benefits and disadvantages?
A: I find clubs to be my easiest channel. Women are there for the plucking,
like fruit on a supermarket shelf. Yes, there may be more competition but it is
visible and defensible (cf the internet chicks who chat with 15 guys at once,
all invisible to you). I have developed strategies to exploit the vulnerabilities
of attractive women in the club scene, such as by choosing the best times to go
& what to look for before an approach.
Club work IS harder on the body (drinking, late nites) and less cerebral than
other approaches. You will be able to do much less patterning. It is often less
psychologically intimate as well, depending more on kino/suggestive body
language or a well-timed suggestive phrase (NLP?) than on deep patterning.
The art relies more on body reading, than word reading (which, in fact, is how
chicks think & operate on a right-brain basis so in this sense is a more direct
avenue to teh chick`s pussy).
On the plus side, the opportunities are gathered in mass as it is easier to
exploit the #`s game. The time constraints also FORCE you to speed up your
game, tighten to the essentials necessary for the lay. Club work also allows
you to move on from a temporary setback - if a club chick does not succumb
to advances/seduction, the next one is right down the bar. Failure is more
visible, which is why I believe some men are afraid of clubs. But the failure
usually carries a MUCH LOWER sunk cost than other types of `dating`
situations and nobody but you really gives a fuck that the chick blew you out
(unless they are laughing & making a big scene, but then it is YOUR fault for
not managing the exit parachute lever properly -- more later). Contrast the
club chick who dumps you by saying `I`m going to the bathroom` never to
return with a blind date or what have you where you are sometimes stuck
empty-handed after an unsuccessful 2-hour dinner/movie attempt at a fuck
close --> when you have to work the next day, and it is 10:30 at nite, and you
are stuck. You are left with your old friend righty with Ed Powers Does Dirty
Deb #178. Enough!

Q: Does club work have a shelf-life?
A: I do find it harder as I age -- not so much on outward appearances (I can
stay abreast of fashions), but on cultural differences talking to woman half my
age. Also, the ability to recover from an all-nite session declines with age. In
general, though, I still find I have the `touch` & I have lost at least 2 or 3
battles over the past 2 years to Men who were obviously in their mid-40s or
later (gray hair, paunches, and the like...). At the end of the day, with effort
age can be overcome and age is a mental state awareness as much as a
biological phenomenom, particularly when we are collapsing the time
dimension to say, one night. Age shows over time...

Q: I need a good wingman, right? All my friends are AFC...
A: Basically NO. I almost always work alone, which quite honestly is a
result of historical accident. It is very rare when I lose a woman or pair
because I don`t have a friend with me. Friends can come in useful for social
proof & to isolate your target, but they can also create jealousy/group dynamic
situations that are harder to control. I`ve seen way too many guys stand by
themselves, spending way too much time talking guy bull rather than hunting
pussy. Friends can be a distraction, believe it or not. I prefer to MINIMIZE
risk variables. I concentrate BETTER and FOLLOW MY INSTINCTS better
if I am alone. If I need a friend, I will try to recruit one mid-way through a
PU night. ADVANCED TOPIC: the most useful role of friends is for
protection from other guys, if a PU goes badly -- this has happened twice in
17 years, so it is rare but it does happen....

Q: Don`t you lack social proof if you work alone?
A: Yes, but you lie. I always tell chicks my friend(s) left earlier...this is
credible because the hour is usually very late. I am also moving around the
club, talking to people, so I don`t look like a social misfit. I will get a
HIGHER level of social proof by being with a hot chick in a club, rather than
being next to my buddy in jeans & dockers. I often sometimes bring pics,
etc. that show me with men/women so that the social proof is there
vicariously....I also recruit wings in-progress, and encourage other men to
move in on the friends of my targets...

Q: Cupid/fundamentals are important (looks, money, cars?)
A: Perhaps more than other channels, but they are not necessary. Leadership
& techniques skills are FAR more important. I closed my first hot chick in
Boston with a Honda Civic that had vinyl seats. Some fashion sense broadly
consistent with the club(s) you will frequent is helpful, but other than that
technique/alpha/kino rule the day. What most guys don`t realize is hot chicks
usually like the same alpha guys, many of whom don`t give a shit back about
them. These HBs get vulnerable (particularly around 3:30 AM in Tokyo).
You have an OPPORTUNITY..... I have also seen attractive women walk into
cabs with ugly mother fuckers, whereby I debrief the friend who stays
behind. The friend says `Yeah, she really didn`t like that guy, but she told me
she wanted to get laid tonite....he didn`t seem so bad after all SMILE`.
Believe me, alot of beautiful girls go with ugly guys...saw one last Friday
again where the initial feedback from a pair of girls who ended up GOING
HOME TO FUCK an unattractive yet persistent black male was that they
`despised black guys`....

These are some basics before I get started with the framework, which
basically tailors the FAMC model, spending more time on some steps, less on
others. I will continue to address topical ?`s where I feel appropriate....

2. MISSION STATEMENT:
I am going to the clubs to get laid tonite, and/or KC at least one woman. I
WILL at a minimum feel up the ass of at least one attractive woman. I am a
MAN and I make no apologies for my sexual desires. I will fulfill some of
these desires tonite. I WILL at a minimum get at least one or two telephone
#`s for follow-on work. I will make mistakes, but these will be learning
opportunites. I will not despise PUAs better than myself, but instead befriend
them and learn from them. I will RELAX and ENJOY myself no matter
what.

3. PREPARATION:
Dress--> slightly aggressive, with whatever happens to be in fashion (you may
need to ask women friends, go to department stores & ask cute clerks, watch
MTV, and importantly make a test run or two to some of the clubs in your
area to determine fashions). Choose colors that women say look good on
you. Black rarely fails. Baggy or loose clothes --> depends on the fashion. If
you want to go to a black/hip-hop venue, loose is HIGHLY recommended.
Otherwise whatever YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE in and what you
have gotten positive FEMALE FEEDBACK on should do the trick. Some
clubs do not allow sneakers, so be advised. Avoid hum-drum clothing like
Dockers or Dexters, unless you are going to a white frat-boy type
club....Leather jackets are HIGHLY recommended--> women like leather,
generally.
Accessorize--> choose an interesting ring, necklace, arm band, tattoo, or what
have you. Or shoes/belt if jewelry is not your style. Cologne is
recommended. Again, ask female store clerks/friends or internet chat mates.
Generally, Polo/RL & CK are good standbyes. I`ve found Bvglari Pour
Homme to work for me, as well as Fahrenheit. Women love smells --> I often
get complemented on this. Cologne also defuses some of the alcohol/smoke
stench....Make sure you have some breathmints/mouthwash as well as you
don`t want to smell like an alkie or coffin-puffer even if you are ;-). Hair gel
can be a PLUS.

ADVANCED TOPICS (AT): I do not recommend going for the Jude Law AI
pimp look (wide collars, massive jewelry, leather)for beginners. Advanced
players can pull of an aggressive, pimp look. Unless you have major attitude
to go with this, I don`t advise it. I will also sometimes wear no underwear or
a leather brief if I want to make myself more conscious of my male power
(this is a bit OT, but it works for me and can make me more sexually charged
than I otherwise would be).
I will try to lay down a bit before going out in order to rest, and maybe have
one drink to relax. Listen to some power tunes to pump yourself up. Think
about your successes! Induce a POSITIVE frame of mind. You ARE the
MASTER of your destiny. You WILL get laid tonite --> no you will Lay the
Bitch tonite, not `get laid`. Getting laid is for passive wimps.

Other preps/things to bring with. Cell phone is a must for # closing (more on
method later). I try to bring interesting props, such as a disposable camera,
travel pics I`ve taken, origami paper, and the like. Sometimes I will use these
in the `Attract` stage of FMAC process that works for clubs as well. Don`t
forget the breathmints.

Oh yeah, one last point. Your goal will likely be to FUCK a CHICK THAT
NITE. Make sure your place is respectable. Spray an air freshener. Don`t
leave condoms (particularly used one) or pornos lying around (a mistake I
made 2 weeks ago). Have the fridge stocked with water & basic food. You
may need breakfast! If you want to get rid of the chick early (shouldn`t be a
problem w/ a club pick-up), perhaps set the alarm & tell the chick you have a
plan --> she has to go (soon after the fuck, early in the morning). Espeically
helpful for married men.

4. STRATEGY:
Minimize risks, maximize opportunites. Your enemies will be excess
variables (friends, groups, time gaps, to a lesser extent other men); your allies
will be opportunities in numbers & mobility, as well as your preparedness &
PU skills.

5. TACTICS
5a. Where to go, & when? Choose an area of high club density --> you will
likely find yourself wanting to club hop. Choose a club that has some side
area where you can break away with a chick and talk. Loud music is OK, if
there is some side area/table area or fast-food restaurants nearby outside. Try
to find a club where they don`t hustle you to buy a drink every 15 minutes...
When to go? I recommend going near closing time, minus one hour. Take the
close time and subtract 1 hour. You want to be IN the club for the prior 1.5-2
hours. This is when the women will be horniest, many men will have left, and
the hot chicks will be on the rebound from getting dumped by the hot guys
who have chosen a different chick & therefore desperate to re-affirm their
sexiness (which you will be more than happy to do). It is the time when
decisions are made on whom to leave with and spend the nite. Much before
this time window, and there is too much `playing` (6 times out of 10 the guy
the chick is flirting with at 12:30 will NOT be the one she walks into a cab
with at 4 AM -- trust me, many men make this mistake of assuming too early
that she is `spoken for`). Much later than the 1 hour before close time
window, and you will feel too rushed and risk that the best ones WILL in fact
likely have been scooped up.
Examples--> Boston club closes at 2AM, be there between 11:30 and 1,1:30.
Tokyo club closes at 5AM, be there between 1:30 and 3;30-4.

As for days of the week, Saturdays are best in terms of volume & people
being relaxed, unburdened by work. Followed next in attractiveness by a
theme nite where there will be fewer men, and which ladies drinks are usually
discounted. Fridays are average. Sundays-Tuesdays are tough.....depending
on theme nites.
Should you drive or taxi or train? Up to you. I prefer to taxi, but it could be
easier to get a chick into a car provided you are sober enough to drive (e.g.,
wanna lift home or wanna see my place - but be careful that she is not using
you for a ride, and in fact will fuck you: if you think she wants just a ride, test
her shit by trying to take a taxi to your place). Generally, if you`ve laid the
groundwork to the point where she is leaving with you --> shouldn`t matter
how you get there. Car is preferable to train, because it minimizes the
distance between you & distractions from other people.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

TIP: Don`t obsess about the `To Drink or Not to Drink` issue, that is a
distraction. Choose alcoholic or non -- YOUR preference, not one dictated by
social pressure. If you are concern ed about feeling wimpy about not
drinking, then order a Coke or OJ and pretend it is a mixed drink, although
that is quite lame. Better to drink non-alcoholic proudly if that`s your
preference. If a chick wants to give you shit about it, then you make a joke
out of it and tell her you are a world-class trained Olympian speed
skater/assassin or what have you and work a gig out of it to get her laughing &
realize the error of her ways -- she will remember your witty response FAR
more than the fact that you aren`t drinking Corona, and will likely be
impressed ;-) If you choose to drink alcoholic, fine. I suggest in moderation,
as being drunk can hinder the closing process (more later...)

Whom do I approach? Do NOT approach the first cute chick you see,
although as you get more skilled & if you have time constraints then using a
strict 3-second rule is not necessarily a `bad thing. However, for newbies I
advise taking time (about 5-15 minutes) to survey the atmosphere of the
club, who is with whom, wehre the dance floor is, where would be good
places to feel up a chick etc. Look like James Dean -- sexy, disinterested,
mysterious while sipping on your drink or a cigarette. Perhaps chat up the
bartender --> these people can give you social proof & be your allies....the
more friends you make, the better (although never forget your MISSION to
get laid with an HB, not chat up every friendly guy or girl in the joint...)

Scan the room & then walk the joint subtly so you can get all the key vantage
points all the while making EC --> make a mental note of who gave you EC
back, and save at least one of these for a later approach should your initial
attempts fail. Make at least 2 targets, and think of how you will approach
them...

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Golden Rule: "Follow the body, not the mouth. Listen to how she touches/responds
to your touching, not to her lame-ass foils such as ? I have a BF?.no?.I can't do
this here?.If her body is responding, the WOMAN is responding, and your chances
of fucking her are VERY HIGH".

WHOM DO I SARGE?
**Usually women go to clubs with friends; the difficulty of the approach increases
with the # of women; i.e., singles are easiest (but infrequent), pairs are optimal,
threes are doable, more than 3 and the variables are harder to control. Sometimes
guys can be in the mix; you should spend your 15 minute warm-up time getting
acclimated to the bar/club to make quick judgments about the relationship of guys to
the women you've identified as potential targets.

ADVANCED TOPIC: Guys are not bad, and can often be your allies as most guys
want to see other guys succeed in a meat market arena when the target female in ? is
not identical. Most newbies overestimate the likely "steady" romantic interest of
guy/girl mixed groups ? generally it is OK to approach, and if there is a
romantic/territorial issue then you usually find out pretty quickly in which case you
play it cool, back off, and re-orient quickly toward non-harmful conversation and
potentially defuse with flattering comments about what a "lucky guy" he is, or what a
"terrific looking couple" you are. You needn"t waste time here being buddy-buddy
and you will want to excuse yourself (toilet, talk to other friends, dance, drink,
whatever) pretty quickly if a formal leave even seems necessary.

I will usually look for an attractive girl, but not a knockout, who is standing/sitting to
the side of the dance floor (probably at a bar counter or table/peripheral area).
Assuming it is a single or pair, I will wait for a pause in the conversation before
making my cut-in ? nobody likes to be butted aside in a conversation, and if you
approach when the 2 friends are talking in earnest you will likely be an unwelcomed
interruption ? fatal mistake, tough to recover from. I will further look for girls who
look either really bored or having a good time ? chicks that seem to ooze attitude are
probably better saved for later, or else approached with a neg ala Mystery"s
techniques. Finally, I will typically approach women who are drinking alcohol, but
not visibly drunk. I find the Evian set and the boozer sets to be difficult to deal with
? I like leverage my buddy Jack Daniels as my ally in the PU, even if this may be
cheating (note?the key is to get the chick dammit; once you've fucked her so she is
screaming out of her panties, then you can proceed to have all the sober non-alcohol
fun you want in subsequent outings?)

ADVANCED TOPIC: WTF Kipp, you are telling me to avoid the 9s & 10?. What
kind of plan is that? I am simply saying start out on the 8s, or a mixed pair. Wait
until the 9s-10s get dissed by their alpha lust targets ? they will have less attitude
later. . Sometimes all the guys avoid the 10s as "beyond my league", and you can
swoop in, but that is an exception rather than the rule. As you get better, you can
directly approach better looking girls as a rule. But I assume if you know what you
are doing in clubs/bars, then you are likely not reading this manual.

HOW TO APPROACH?
This stage is WAAAAAAAAAYYYY overrated (even Maniac is increasingly saying
these days that J chicks have been taken by the lamest openers, such as 'what's your
e-mail address' or 'you look really hot, what's your name")

The key is to be relaxed, smiling, confident, not a panting dog, and simply approach
with good posture, a smile, good intonation, and strength of body manners. The girl
is a human animal ? she is processing not only WHAT you say, but at some
conscious/unconscious level your looks, manner, voice tone, scent, etc. VERBAL
COMMUNICATION is one part of the equation, and overrated in my view.
Particularly in what can be a noisy bar situation?..I may even approach the friend of
my primary target, just to disarm my entry into the cloister and frankly to take a bit of
the pressure off of myself (although this can backfire, if the friend takes your
approach as she is your primary target, in which case chick etiquette of not stepping
on friends' toes may kick in)

General rule-of-thumb styles for different bitches:
- friendly looking, happy cheerful ? neutral to compliment, weak praise, funny off-beat
- average looking ? neutral, slightly funny/offbeat
- queen bee / high bitch shield looking ? neg, neutral, to funny/offbeat. Avoid compliments.

Generally, HUMOR is GOOD, SHORT is SWEET. Make personal (clothing
accessories, general mannerisms, drink choice), social comments rather than talk
about politics, sports, & heavy stuff ? you are in a music club, not a DEBATE club.
LISTEN to a CHICK ? if she talks, grab onto her threads & let her TALK. Chicks
like to be listened to, and led powerfully. Nobody ? especially chicks ? likes to be
droned to sleep by too-long monologue, even if it is slightly witty in your mind (your
mind doesn"t count, her intellectually active mind counts 30%, her
body/subconscious mind counts 70%!!!!). You are in a bar, not a DEBATE CLUB.

**Examples of approaches:
1/ "Hi, this is a great song, don"t you think? Sounds like Janet Jackson, do you know
who it is?"
2/ "Wow, this song brings back memories/Wow, this song really makes me FEEL
like getting down & dancing ? brief dance demo ? don't you think so?"
3/ "Hi there, how are you? I couldn't help but notice your nails. Where did you find
that unique color?looks really cool in this lighting. They aren"t radioactive, though
(laugh)?."
4/ "Hi, I thought you were a leapord or zebra (if wearing animal print clothing), so
my buddy wanted me to come over & check it out to see if it was safe - big smile,
playful poke, laugh?."
5/ "What"s that drink, looks tasty (assuming odd colored drink)-> do you always
drink that?"
6/ "You remind me of xx (famous person) or yy (some chick you know). I bet you
get that all the time?."
7/ Use a prop if you must. Have a disposable camera, either ask to take their pic or
have them take you/your buddies?..whatever, anything to break the ice.
8/ Travel topics are good. Maybe break the ice by blurting out "It feels soooo good
to be back in town after 2 weeks in Hawaii, wherever". Chicks like to travel, & you
can immediately start talking about places you've been/want to go ? create an "our
world" travel state, and substantiate this w/ travel pics assuming you may have put
some in your billfold?.
9/Lastly, compliment on non-threatening accessory ? shoes, earring, lipstick,
necklace, etc. While you probably spent 5 minutes deciding what neckchain you
were gonna wear, the chick probably spent 3 hours (lol!), asked 6 friends how it
looked ? so suave her insecurities?..

CHICK RESPONSES:
1/ Warm Receptive (answers your ?, smiles, maybe introduces herself/friends)
2/ Neutral (smiles to neutral face, acknowledges your ? & maybe answers)
3/ Cool bitch (ignores you)
4/ Ice cold (walks away or tells you to piss off)

In my experience, you probably get a distribution of something like 10%-30%
WARM, 30%-40% NEUTRAL, and the remainder cool/ice. Unfortunately, I am not
going to give you any magic formula to win over the cool/ice crowd immediately ? I
would suggest a Mystery/RJ neg theory approach which frankly I am not that skilled
in.. And yes, they are likely the ones w/ the biggest tits and shortest mini skirts.
You are best off after a cool/ice reception to simply say "see you", move on, and
maybe approach later once their alpha males have gone off to fuck her friend in the
toilet/car and you have likely demonstrated social proof by being w/ other chicks, on
the dance floor, etc. You will likely be feeling wounded, and if you try to pursue
much further immediately will risk coming off as whiny/needy/loser. Bitches smell
dripping blood and are trained to go in for the kill ? you don't need that now. You
know that she is a bitch, and if you have the chance AND choose to approach her
again later on, you will know that you have to display ATTITUDE &
DESIREABILITY back to her. Don"t lose state here ? rejection happens to all guys,
even the best. Maybe she is on the rag, maybe she is pathetically in love w/ one guy
or type of guy (she only rides Benz, never Beemers or Bentleys), there could be a
million reasons that are not necessarily PERSONALLY directed against you. And
yes, maybe you are not "cute" or "young" or "buffed" enough. Shit happens. Forget
about it. Move on.

ADVANCED TOPIC: WTF Kipp, you are telling me I am going to fail maybe 50%
of the time in an approach? That is not a PUA. Well, that's life guys. Even Mystery
in his RJ challenges posits that clubs can be the most difficult channels to work.
Besides, what are your options? Staying at home with Ed Powers Dirty Debs #178 ?
you meet exactly 0 women. Approach nobody but retain your precious ego? You
meet exactly 0 women, or maybe 1-2 UG's who feel sorry for you & approach you.
You have to get out on the battlefield, take some shrapnel, but win the WAR even if
you lose a few battles along the way & get some bumps/bruises.

Remember, you have PLANNED ahead. You are not captive to 1, 2, or 3 chicks'
unreceptive responses to your advances. NO! A key plank of your master plan is
that you are SHAMELESSLY WORKING numbers and EXPLOITING MYRIAD
OPPORTUNITIES. There are other tuna in the sea. There are other seas (clubs) to
which you can sail easily. Don"t sweat a rejection ? she has LOST her opportunity to
feel GREAT with you, that is her LOSS. Move on. Demonstrate your VALUE to the
next chick.

WHAT TO SAY AFTER THE OPENER, where the chick has not ejected or dismissed you?
**This is, second to kino & making powerful sexually directed moves towards the
close, is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the PU. More important than the opener,
which as you read above can be corny, lame, or whatever. More important than the
target selection phase. It is at this stage that you DEMONSTRATE your VALUE,
and decide whether YOU want to CONTINUE the SARGE or move on to the next
butterfly. It can last anywhere from 5-10 minutes to hour(s).
It is also the most conventional stage where the RJ, Maniac, Mystery seduction
materials come in useful. So take heart, seduction skills learned/used elsewhere can
and even should be CRUCIAL SUCCESS ACCELERATORS in the club environs as
well.

After an opener, quickly exchange intros "By the way, my name is Kipp - rhymes
with HIP (laugh). What's yours ? oh, don't tell me, I wanna guess ? OK, give me a
hint". Make quick games/routines that will facilitate chicks remembering you & that
will DIFFERENTIATE U from the other Harry, Dicks, and Hiros out there. Here
is where you continue to demonstrate communication skills (you can talk), and also
good body language. I strongly advise raising your drink to hers/theirs, and doing a
brief toast as you SMILE. (By the way, a toast is actually a good/quick/harmless
exit if a PU is not that successfull ? simply act like you just wanted to toast to some
new "friends" in the bar and move on quickly."

The post-opener stage is also where you are screening for basic compatability: e.g, is
the chick 10 years older than you which you don"t like, is she visiting just for the
weekend from Montana, what kind of music does she like, does she have any unique
hobbies etc. You also have to deal/neutralize friends at this stage. INCLUDE
friends in the conversation initially, maybe ask how they met/if they are good friends,
etc. At some point, sooner rather than later, you will want to isolate your target so I
would suggest subtly positioning yourself IN BETWEEN the friends so that you have
SOLO talking opportunities/KINO opportunities with your target. You can
probably venture light shoulder/body touching here and see if it is well received
(usually no problem 75% of the time; if they recoil, back off, apologize laughingly
saying something like "WOW! Didn"t realize my drink was that strong? what did
they put in there (laugh)". Etc. But it is generally a BAD sign if social kino is
rejected and the chick is probably frigid.

Post-opener stage is where you can run routines, props, etc. For example, 4?s or
simply ask what kind of animal they think they/friends/you resemble, and make jokes
about that. Better to have some conversation that is slightly funny, witty, non-
threatening. You can also pull out your pics you brought, a sketchpad, a camera, ,
talk about a success you had traveling/at work, etc. which DEMONSTRATES your
ACHIEVEMENTS and a MAN who is worth being with. Again, sort of the standard
seduction tool kit which I am not going to go over in detail in this guide ;-(
ADVANCED TOPIC: sometimes it is a great strategy to approach a pair WITHOUT
a well-defined target in mind. See how the flow develops, which one seems to
demonstrate more interest. As you are closer, you will be able to guage them better
physically. But probably the most important thing to bear in mind ALL ELSE
EQUAL is to choose the dominant/leader of the group as your target. That way, as
you go to eject, your chances of being cockblocked by a jealous/alpha female friend
of your target will be much lower. I have learned from experience by losing the
submissive of pairs, when the alpha dragged my friend away to another venue (with
her guy, as is often the case!!!)

Post-opener is also where awkward ?s can come up:
1/ Are you hitting on me? ANSWER: well, if you want me to be honest ? and my
Mom taught me honesty is the best policy - YES. I find you really unique, attractive,
etc. " Note, you have set the expectations, shown you have breeding, and made her
feel good. Now, if a chick will freak on this then that is her problem, and you
probably are best off ejecting.
2/ You do this to all the chicks, don't you? ANSWER: here, it is better to lie. Say
something like "That's a good ?, I can understand that?.but actually, no. I have just
finished this really big project at work I"ve been working on for my promotion to
senior associate, etc. and I haven't had time to hang out lately. But I finished, I'm
happy, and I met you so I feel great!'
3/ You have a GF, don't you?. ANSWER: "Well, women generally do find me
attractive, and I do have a lot of female friends ? what are you thinking, just friends,
really! -- but there's nobody special in my life now?.".
4/ You know, I have a BF?.ANSWER: acknowledge, but subsequently ignore. If
she ejects or continually whines about this, then so be it. Refer to RJs boyfriend
breaking rules. Maybe make some comment like, "he"s a lucky guy (who"s probably
ignoring her, and she feels good hearing that from you) and I'm glad we can talk
tonite, if you were my GF I would be really thrilled to talk to you because you have
so many really valuable things to say YADA YADA YADA'. Make the woman
aware she is MISSING something that you are MORE THAN HAPPY to provide ?
ego-fuck. Generally, speaking from experience in times where I have fucked married
women after they protested they had husbands, or where chicks w/ BFs not present
have eventually given me their phone #"s w/ a bullshit lie caveat to save face like
"we can all go out together sometime", BFs don't matter. Generally, the # close is
the test w/ these attached chicks. Try to get the #/e-mail by all means, even if they
(verbally) resist on grounds of being attached. The 64-million$ sign on whether they
are interested in you is whether they give you the contact info. If you get it, they are
receptive to you and INTERESTED. Period. 8 times out of 10 when you follow up,
they will conveniently forget to mention their BF/Hubby again or mention him only
as a logistical nuisance to you 2 getting something together ;-)

ALPHA MALES ? WHAT TO DO WHEN OTHER GUYS MOVE IN ON MY
TURF
**Best strategy is to pretend you are a blocking guard or a hockey player. Always
physically guard your target where possible. Get her in a corner, you in between the
social crowd. Hold her hand. Look firm at other guys who approach -- not a dick
asking for a fight, but confident & not willing to back down. If a guy insists on
approaching, or worse if your chick gets all googly-gaga over an alpha male she sees
coming close to the two of you, then do your best to ignore him AND her reactions.
By acknowledging his presence & potential influence, you have lost PART 1 of the
battle. If you have to acknowledge, do so briefly. Or else chat him up in great depth,
so that he gets lost in his PU pursuits. If he must join a conversation, do not let him
lead. You try to reassert & direct the conversation flow. But generally ignore is the
best strategy.

This is another reason why you always must try to have good kino w/ your chick ?
you have the chick's body (holding her hand, hip) even if her mind is straying. When
you risk losing is when the guy gets BOTH the chick's mind & body in tow?.also,
at some point if the guy is drunk, huge, and belligerent ? you have to consider your
personal safety (this is actually much rarer than commonly supposed, but it does
happen). If there are direct physical threats, then back off and concede defeat. Your
body is more important than any chick, and if you have to "fight" for you chick
(physically, that is) then she is worth shit. Also, going back to Wings ? either your
buddies or guys you've befriended that nite?Wings come in to play a
cockblock/defense role obviously. But I think that goes without saying.

ADVANCED TOPIC: if you are not in your native country and speak the local
language as well, which language should you use? Generally, I advise using YOUR
OWN NATIVE language or ENGLISH where possible. If your foreign language
(e.g., Spanish or Japanese) skills are pretty good, then go with it. But even in Japan,
English rarely fails and a lot of the girls EXPECT/WANT to HEAR English from
you, not less-than-perfect Japanese. Now, of course, throughout a developing
conversation it only helps you to throw in some key phrases in the native language to
impress the chicks/show them your versatility, but DON"t try to be a SMARTY
PANTS know-it-all unless you really a confident in that role.

WHAT TO DO NEXT, AFTER THE OPENER & DIRECTED TALK?
**Kino, kino, kino. Connect to the body, not only the mind. You need to isolate
your target, bring her to the dancefloor or get a drink together at the bar, and to be
liberally touching her here. Also make more comments that indicate your SOI ?
compliment on her eyes, skin, etc ? I would avoid saying things like "You have a
nice ass or really big tits", although GM style can work. I personally do not use it as
it is not congruent with my personality/overall style. I do GM through aggressive
kino, not words?..

HOW CAN I TELL IF THE CHICK IS INTERESTED?
**Well, firstly don't underestimate the fact she is still talking to you, and hasn't
given you the "I'm going to the bathroom/bar/look for my friend [to never return]"
line. That happens, it's part of the occupational hazards. Also, look for good eye
contact, smiles, her touching you & moving closer, etc.

WHAT IF MY TARGET DOESN't FANCY ME, but HER FRIEND DOES?
Well, you have two choices. 1/ You move on. Or 2/ you find out who the leader in
the group is (opinion leader), and get her on your side whether she is the one who
likes you or not. In this second option, you then do a more lengthy standard
seduction that demonstrates your VALUE to the women, so that the target gradually
warms to you. By the end of the nite, chances are the friend will have forgotten how
you actually moved into the target under her nose?. Remember, the bulk of the
initial impression may be appearances-based, so to generate interest in your target
you will have to demonstrate COMPELLING value beyond the appearances
dimension.

SHOULD I GO FOR THE CONTACT # EARLY, and bail? HOW DO I DO THIS?
**I have probably been moving up in my routine how quickly I go for a # close.
Partly cuz chicks can be dragged away by friends, harried near closing, etc. and it is
a bit stealth to go for a # closer sooner, where you may still be in the friends stage.
How to do it? Tell her you"ve really enjyyed getting to know her, let's chat some
more when we have some more time, etc (standard ASF stuff). Hopefully you've
defined a "next time"situation such as sharing some coffee you both like, a movie,
park, etc (again, standard ASF stuff). Logistically, the only way to do it these days
is to whip out your cell phone, & have her type in her # or read it to you, and call her
immediately to get it into your call history. This stage can be greatly facilitated
(maybe Japan specific) by whipping out phones to compare models ? I often say I am
looking to upgrade my handset, which is true --, showing pics/etc on the phone, what
have you. The # close grows out of a natural extension of this type of conversation,
and is not this big do-or-die pressure laden inflection point in the PU.

ADVANCED TOPIC: do not give out your biz card unless you really, freely want to
do it. Even then, think 5 times about it. Your privacy/work contact is valuable. Do
you really want to give it up that cheaply? That card could get into the wrong hands
(competition, headhunters, etc) that generate awkward calls to you at work ? so be
careful.

ADVANCED TOPIC: If the chick is in a large party-type group, then the optimal
strategy is to get a # contact fast & ask her to call you when she's free. That can
often happen later that nite, particularly if everyone involved (your side & her side) is
bar hopping ;-)

STILL, KIPP, HOW DO I KNOW TO CONTINUE THE SARGE or MOVE ON?
**There is no cookie-cutter answer. One risk of bar work that can lead you to 3rd
base w/ a chick and then a subsequent blur is that you spend the whole nite w/ her but
don't take her home on a successful exit, or she blurs on follow-on contact. Maybe
she ditches you late in the nite, where it is difficult to find new pussy (that sort of blur
is usually casued by her friends dragging her away, or her using friends as an excuse
to leave if she sees a cute guy, etc). Generally, if a sarge is going really well, I am on
the dance floor (more later) feeling her up/tonguing her down, I will stay w/ the chick
and try to bring her to another venue away from her friends (eating/coffee) and fuck
her that nite.

Sometimes I take the opposite approach, and simply try to get a collection of #"s.
The latter approach seems more efficient, but deceptively so. If you don't spend
enough time w/ the chick to make her feel good and/or get a tongue down, a follow
on date may be difficult to pull off successfully. You will fuck 90% of your bar
chicks that nite or the very next date (more in Final Thoughts later)? in my
experience, simply meeting at club & dating several times before sex is a very, very
difficult tactic to execute successfully. You need to get the sexual
interest/dominance/pissing on her like a dog marks his territory (metaphorically, of
course) ASAP. Also, if you cut away to sarge in the same club, you risk her seeing
you in action again & her being unreceptive afterwards. You also risk her being
picked up by another guy if you parachute out with time still on the clock. There is
no hard-and-fast rule, but if the PU-in-progress ain"t broke, don"t fix it ? go with
the flow.

If it is early in the nite & you want to get warmed up, walk around real
briefly/friendly and talk to a few pairs of girls. They don't have to be beautiful, but
shouldn't be UGs as they may damage your social proof. Engage them in light
convo, klink glasses w/ them w/ drinks, playfully dance/ grab their arms to warm up
your kino style and loosen you up, all the while continuing to scan to get EC from
other women and/or until you find a woman you really want to FUCK soon. Then
approach her and go through the sarge in depth?..

CAN I TAKE BREAKS? By all means, do so. Go to the mens room occasionally to
check your hair, reapply cologne,etc. Make yourself physically smile so that you are
CONSCIOUS of the need to put out a good face. Go back to the club. Chat up the
bartender. Find out what makes him tick. Maybe ask him for suggestions on how
you can be popular with the honies?most bartenders. if you"ve befriended them,
will talk pretty directly. Also, use this oppt'y to be friendly w/ another solo-type
dude if you want to recruit a Wingman in progress. Maybe talk to them 10 minutes,
spot a cute couple of girlies, and grab him & tell him "Let's go talk to those honies".
Get him in the role of disarming the "friend" of your primary target, so you don't
have to do all the work & get some social proof thrown in to boot!.

KIPP, TELL ME AGAIN HOW DO I GET KINO GOING & GET HER TO THE DANCEFLOOR?
**Up till now in this manual, I have probably OVERESTIMATED the use of
intellectual seduction. In practice, I will often go from opener to 10-15 minutes post-
open talk, lightly rubbing shoulders, legs, to grab hand & head for dance floor/place
arm around back/hips, and then kino. Getting to the dance floor is YOUR JOB to
lead, take her hand, drag her if you have to. If she blows you out here, don't worry
about other chicks seeing this, nobody will care. You are not 'damaged goods",
simply go to the bathroom, refresh, and sarge other chicks. Or go to the next club if
you feel like it.

A tongue down thereafter can be as soon as 10-15 minutes, particularly again as it is
likely LATE and ALCOHOL is kicking in. You need to feel up chicks as soon as
possible, get them in corners, away from their friends. Give them time to resurface &
go see friends (with you in tow), but be ALL OVER THEM LIKE A CHEAP SUIT.
For every 1 chick you lose w/ this aggressive/alpha approach, you will gain 10.

The risk w/ the ultra fast speed dial strategy is you are not building in the
hooks/demonstrating your value outside of sexual excitement. Chicks will blur on
you occassionally even after 2nd base (hence many of the negative club comments by
some guys that dirty dancing, even tongue-downs, don"t really mean shit). I agree.
If you accelerate the kissing/petting, you need to accelerate the EJECT as well and
make sure you are ALL OVER that chick for the rest of the nite. She needs to keep
the high of feeling good w/ you, and not listen to her bullshit friends when they come
to take her away from you.

CAN I SARGE DIRECTLY ON THE DANCE FLOOR?
**The better you dance, the better your chances of executing this tactic. I often move
closer (even if I am dancing with my primary target at the time) physically to other
target women. I will try to lightly brush their hips when I am dancing, etc, smile,
make EC. (Damn, Japan is great ? one chick I blatantly open-palmed ass rubbed for
like 10 minutes near close in her tight jeans ?hell, she kept backing into my hand &
didn't move away one iota!!!, when I was dancing w/ my primary whom I still am
dating as one of my stable chicks;-)

You can also go up directly to a pair of women / group of women & start dancing.
Usually you can sense their interest ? or lack thereof. Or if it is a dirty dancing/hip
hop contact dancing type of venue, just grab on to them & dance. See if they respond
or move away. Generally, though, I have backed away a bit from the direct dance
floor approaches, because they often end in dirty dance only ? unless the girl seems
real happy you are dancing w/ her (again, read the body ? is she smiling, touching
you, grinding her ass into your crotch?) then you can take away to a corner to
talk/pet, depending on the stage you're at.

HOW DO I HANDLE HER FRIENDS?
**You actively encourage other guys to hit on her friend(s). And I mean actively.
You say they look like a cute couple. You put her hands on him/his on her, etc. This
is not the time to be shy, my friend. Furthermore, you keep your physical distance
from friends. You politely acknowledge them to absolute minimum levels, but do
not indulge them. If your chick insists on walking towards her friends, don"t lose
physical contact with her. Where possible, physically block her friend from your
target (not in an obvious way, though). Your chick has made a choice to FEEL
GOOD WITH YOU that nite ? that is why chicks go to clubs, after all. They want to
FEEL WANTED. SEXY. HAVE FUN. We are not talking fucking librarians here,
but chicks out on the town for the EXPRESS purpose of HAVING A GOOD TIME.
It is your job to DEFINE GOOD TIME for them & deliver it with SATISFACTION
GUARANTEED.

HOW TO EJECT? HOW TO GET RID OF COCKBLOCKING FRIENDS?
DO I EJECT WITH FRIENDS IN TOW?
**Frankly, this is the weakest part of my nite. I have learned from alpha PUAs, who
never seem to say no & quit, and am still learning. Basically, literally tell her you are
hungry or whatever and drag her in tow. If she protests about her friends, tell her
you'll bring her back after eating (a lie) ? in this case, maybe choose clubs where re-
entry is easy. She should have her cell phone, so just tell her to bring it & she can
easily call her friends (chicks do this ALL THE TIME ? they are bullshitting you if
they say they need to be w/ their friends in visual sight all the time). Something else
you can do ? assuming you have gotten tongue down before ? tongue her down again
forcefully. Drag her out. You can do it. Give her chick bullshit back to her about
"what was that tonguedown all about, I KNOW you really like me by the way we
kissed, etc etc". Make her FEELINGS work, not her CONSCIOUS mind. Her Mind
wants to say NO, her body YES. You work on the body, not the mind. Make her
drink more booze if necessary, then repeat the process.

OK, WE HAVE EJECTED. WHERE DO WE GO?
**If you told her you were going to go to eat, do it. A fast food joint. Sit directly
next to her & feel her up while eating. Try to eject to your place ASAP. Use a
cab/car rather than train. Drag her along, tongue her down/feel her up/compliment
her/divert her attention along the way. Same techniques as before. Have her call
her friends & tell her she's OK,; it will be OK (CHICKS do this ALL THE TIME).

DO I PAY FOR HER, if a SARGE IS GOING WELL?
**Don't buy chicks drinks. You have not completed the sarge until SHE HAS
SWALLOWED YOUR MEAT & TASTED YOUR JIZZ. Don't forget the standard
ASF rules in progress. I have made mistakes in paying for post-club dinners (I am
often a bit drunk by this time as well) and drinks along the way (I will NEVER pay
for a drink right off the bat), only to be burned. Feign indifference, surprise
whenever it comes time to pay. Chicks will usually get the cue, and if they are worth
anything they will be prepared to fend for themselves/have budgeted the nite
properly. Paying for the drink will not get you the pussy; grabbing the pussy in a
dark corner will. Don't forget that. If you absolutely must, pay for your chick only
but don't be a fucking ATM machine for all her friends unless they are all gonna
come back to your place to fuck you in a wild orgy scene ;-)

ADVANCED TOPIC: well, hmm Kipp, it sound slike a lot of work to chat up a pair,
choose a target, and manage group dynamics. Why not just bring both of them back
to your place & fuck them silly????.ahhhhh, the topic of club generated group-
fucks. I have not done this. It seems eminently do-able, but overriding social mores
unfortunately do apply in clubs ;-(. Once I brought a pair back to my place & felt
them both up, but I was too drunk to work it & one turned really frigid. Once I
talked really GM to one chick and grabbed her ass blatantly while she was grabbing
my dick as she was dancing w/ my wing-recruit in progress, all the while I was
grinding w/ my primary. That one could've worked ? and in fact I got a follow-up
call from them ? but logistically on transportation issues crashed. I have one in
progress where I am following up w/ 2 chicks who are interested in me (they are best
friends), but one has a BF she brings along when we meet. I plan to crack the 3P
(three-some) nut from a club generated lead this year, and will have more. It is not
quite the lay-up that it seems, and should be!!!!!

WHAT IF I FAIL LATE at nite, and MY CHICK LEAVES WITH HER FRIENDS or worse, another GUY?
**That happens. Rather than sulk, embrace the OPPORTUNITY to open your eyes
& see what real life is in the after-hours club scene. In fact, you may want to do this
as part of your test-run(s) before you ever try to sarge at all, to open your eyes that
hot girls DO fuck guys they meet 2 hours ago in a club. This is how I learned how
to be more ALPHA in my approach. And that is why I don't feel guilty about being
aggressive? The fact is,more often than not, if I am the "nice guy" willing to listen to
a chick and back off on protests I am going to fast/too far, then some other guy
around the corner will step in and fuck her. Then she will send him 5 e-mails that
week about how she really digs him "as a person" even. And she won't even pick up
the phone when I call, assuming I had # closed. I HAVE HAD THESE PAINFUL
EXPERIENCES. It is true. Until you have fucked the chick & made her yours, you
are NOTHING to her. You have to fuck her fast!!!!!

Why did I change my style, and focus on ONS?
When I noticed girls getting into cabs who were different from the guys I had seen
them with 2 hours ago. When I noticed girls getting into cabs w/ "strange guys" at
all. When I noticed that girls suddenly did not have their friends w/ them (guy or
girl), whom I had assumed wrongly would be stuck with them like glue all nite.
When I noticed, yes, that girls whom I had sarged but decided were unfuckable were
jumping w/ joy into into cabs w/ other guys. And, even in one case, where I saw a
"friend" leaping into a cab w/ a guy where my girl (her friend) had dissed me 1 hour
earlier saying "I can't leave with you Kipp, I have to go home with my friend" -- my
girl probably had jumped into some guy's car sight unseen to me 10 minutes earlier
? LIES, all of them!! Learn!!! Open your eyes. Don't get angry, get FUCKING
EVEN with your STEVEN.

I went back and tallied my club scores, about 16 ONS in 2 continents over the past 4
years. This is a lot of ONS, and I know a lot of guys eschew ONS as cheap & risky.
Why this focus on ONS? Partly #'s by my experience, and judging the probabilities
of success. I have fucked, in addition to the ONS group, an additional 9 women on
follow-up # contact (NOTE to Maniac? this may be lower than the # I initially
suggested in Part 1). That is a pretty low #, and it surprised me. What further
surprised me was that to get those 9 follow-on fucks, I dated about 15-20 women.
Some women I dated multiple times. So my success rate in a fuck close fell to 50%
when I followed up. And if I could not get the fuck close on the very next date after
club # close, my success rate fell to like 10% (3 or 4 chicks only).

Therefore, for those of you who think I am too focused on moving too fast, my
experience ?even more than I would have supposed ? suggests that TIME is an
ENEMY in the club channel PU. (NOTE; I have had more success from
internet/other channels in dating 2-3-4 times & still getting the fuck close eventually).
Maybe club chicks are "fast"? Like a Richard Dawkins says, I am facing reality.
Genes are selfish. Girls quickly lose interest in you if they have not committed their
pussy to you. I would, ceteris paribus, prefer to date 3-4-5 times and then go for a
fuck close (I am a normal, well balanced man with many interests outside of PU) ?
however, the RealWorld simply does not seem to accommodate this from my
experience. That is another reason why I emphasize ONS/quick tongue-downs over
getting a handful of #'s which may or may not (probably not) mean shit at the end of
the day, into the next day(s).

Why club chicks, Kipp? To me, the site of young girls in hot fashions wiggling their
tits & asses in an open display of sexuality where they WANT to be SEEN &
FUCKED is an incomparable turn-on. The music/lights/smells create an atmosphere
that we HUMAN ANIMALS can turn on to!!! The #'s are there ? like Willie Sutton
said, I rob banks cuz that's where the $$$ is!!!! With a club chick, you can
immediately screen how hot she is (perhaps you may need to apply an alcohol
discount if you've been drinking). A lot of this contrasts with the repressed sexuality
we see in Western countries or even Japan w/ the gray suits/uniforms, and to me the
club experience is LIBERATING. Women are women; men are men. Differences
are celebrated!

Lastly, need I say, be realistic. Be aware of other people ? most are friendly, but
there are bad apples out there; when you scan clubs for chicks using my method, also
make a note of shady looking guys who give off a bad vibe & remember to stay clear
of them. Don't make enemies in clubs? if you get dissed, even cruelly, in a sarge,
then simply smile & walk on. Happens to the best from time to time. Don't ask for
trouble?your safety is more important than even CINDY CRAWFORD'S
SNATCH, my friend!!!. Don't leave valuables in club lockers ? try to travel lightly.
Always wear a helmut on your soldier & be aware of bodily risks/disease. That is
part of any sexually active lifestyle. A girl who sleeps with you on the first nite ? no
matter what she tells you or her friends ? likely may have done that before. Don't
harbor illusions ? if you take precautions, you should be OK! Have fun. Enjoy.

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me $280.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



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From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
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   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
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Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
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PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
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   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » friends

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

What a chick says is not what she really means!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From: Maniac High's Seduction Website

Http://www.pickupguide.com

Report by Maniac High; 


Maniac High's Chick Logic Humor!

Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic" 
(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
encountered recently. Enjoy, its all real BTW... ;-)

1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is 
busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening, 
but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
that she didn't really have an appt, but just that if she came
over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.

I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
Chick replies "that was different, because I didn't expect that!"

2)I lay Ms. Kinky (see the lay report on the newgroup/site), 
and later I ask her her phone number.
She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn't have
a regular home phone. I lay her a few more times, then I spend a
night at her place. She has a home phone there.

I ask her why she didn't tell me the truth. She replies that there
are many people you can't trust out there, and her friends told her
to not give her phone number to people she didn't know well because
you can never know what might happen.

I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let strange guys you 
don't know fuck you, and you spend nights in their places on the first 
night out, and let them tie you up, who you don't trust enough to give 
them your phone number because your friends told you to be careful of 
strangers and what might happen to you".

She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.

3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
she will feel guilty if she doesn't and some shit about trust in
her relationship with her BF.

She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I 
show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me 
she is fucking another guy behind her BF's back on weeknights when 
the regular BF is travelling on business.

I didn't even ask about why she had to ask permission to her 'reg'
about me then. ;-)

4)I invite a chick over. We get into serious petting and fun, 
everything except outright sex (her period). So I invite her over a 
week later to finish the job. She comes over, I lay her. Then she 
decides she wants to spend the night, but worries all evening that 
she doesn't have her curler and accessories, because she was "never 
expecting to have sex and spend the night".  ... uh huh, so I guess 
she was really just intending to come over for milk and cookies 
then ;-)  yeah right... Go figure... ;-)

5)I meet a chick the first time. We drink, have supper, make out. 
Then we head back to her place on the train. At the train station, she 
tells me she lives with her parents so I probably cant come in. I tell 
her we will go to a hotel. She says no, she is "not that kind of girl, 
and doesn't go to hotels on the first night of meeting a guy". So I 
fuck her right there in the train station behind some lockers instead. 
That was okay with her.


So there you go, chick logic humor ;-)

Another good dancefloor pickup style!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Jonnyjewel talks about his dancefloor pickup strategy!




From jonnyjewel@my-deja.com Sun Oct  8 02:37:20 2000
From: jonnyjewel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Club PU tips Anyone?
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:51:01 GMT

toecutter has a lot of good advice I would just like to add a few tips.  The
dance floor is my saving grace for sex.  With out it I might still be a
virgin. Well maybe not.  It sounds like you are doing well at clubs and you
are close to turning the corner and learning how to get the dance floor PU. 
First off, toecutter is right it is a numbers game 100%. I will tell you how
I work a floor.  First off you are there to dance a have a good time, so look
like it.  Smile like you just won a million dollars and let yourself go.  Ok
your relaxed, now it's time to hunt.  What you are looking for a group of
girls together or one by herself. The one by her self is easy just dance up
to her with a open gesture and motion that you would like to dance if she
doesn't she in most cases will look away.  Ok, these groups of women 4 or
more usually have have a certain make up.  There is the hot one, the ugly
one, the not as fashionable one, and the not as hot as the hot one.  The "not
as hot as the hot one" is your target.	This girl is competing with the hot
girl and most of the time will love you for your advance.  Just step up
behind her and smile and rub your peck on her shoulder once gently.  DO NOT
TOUCH ANY PART OF HER BODY WITH YOURS.	Girls love a guys with balls, I mean
it.  She will look behind at you then look back at her friends for approval. 
Stay clam.  She will now do one of three things, back into you, step forward,
or nothing.  If she steps forward, turn right around its over, look some
where else.  If she does nothing try again, be careful she might be a bitch. 
If she gets mad it is her fault, you just wanted to see if she'd like to
dance she could have been courtious and moved away or said no.	But this one
backed into you.  Your chances of a but grind from just about any girl are
about 50%  Just ease into her and have a good time. After about three songs
of hard griding it is time to get go for broke.  Spin her around and grind
away, but she might not want to do a front grind.  If she doesn't, at the end
of the song thank her get, her name, and move on.  This can come in handy
later like a street or parking lot PU.	But you got the fount grind.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!  If you are grinding with a girl it is your main goal to protect
her, try as hard as you can to keep other people from bumping into her.  Put
out an arm or move both of you so you are the one getting bumped.  I love the
look on girls faces when you do this, they eat it up.  After another two
songs it is time for the kiss.	Start by getting lots of eye contact, if she
not looking at you sorry no kiss for you.  But she is, start touching her
face with yours, forhead to forehead nose to nose.  Go in a couple of times
for a kiss but turn away at the last second.  And then go for it!  But DON'T
shove your tonge down her througt.  Take it easy big boy.  Do this a few
times and then stop, unless she keeps it going.  When I get this far I
usually stick with the chick untill one of us has to go.  At that point thank
her for the night and say something like, "I would like see you again."  Even
if you didn't get the kiss still # close.  If she gives you a number one
thing girls love is if you memorize it, untill she is out of sight and then
right it down, it makes you look smart. I don't ever try to pull a girls off
the dance floor, Why!  Why do you need to? Your grinding, maybe kissing what
more do you want!  She is attracted to you why mess it up by talking.  You
can run all that SS stuff if you get a date.  This brings up another point.
Unless she want to don't talk.	I ususally ask her name and where she's from.
 I leave it at that.  Yes, lost of times these girls have asshole boy friends
so they give you a fake numbers, or just they get scared. The only time you
will get a girl back to your place for the one nighter is if she wants to,
follow her lead. Other points to know for the dance floor PU is that that it
looks good for you to be seen dancing with a lots of women you might start by
dancing with a friend to get you started.  Yes, it is very competitive. So
wear your best club clothes, you might want to invest a little bit of money
in clothes just for clubing. Never ask for a dance, they always say no for
some reason.  Just so you know the girls that come up to you and dance lots
of times are the girls with asshole boy friends but still # close just in
case.  I usually make one to two passes on the dance floor per hour.  One
thing to look for is girls that you have seen dancing with different guys. 
If I don't get a dance I get off the dance floor. You look like a looser if
you are dancing around trying to get girls to dance with you. One mistake I
have made is even if she is liking the fact that your hands are all over her
body, don't move her hand to your dick.  Most importantly, you have never
wasted you time grinding with a good looking girl.

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com




Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

PU’s in a college drinking party setting!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



PU'ing in a college alcohol and party setting!





From rush274@aol.com Wed Apr 26 08:43:56 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: College-Aged Drunken Debauchery
Lines: 73

   Wow...I just got slammed by everyone on here with that cockblock story.  I'm
begining to think you guys have a limited idea of how to lay chicks.  There are
more ways than the method on asf.  Of course I also use a lot of Maniac's and
Tony's theories...they're great, and I've laid tons of chicks that way.  But, I
also do something that no-one has talked about on here.  I mean, if you're
getting laid, what method you use is really not relevent, as long as you do get
laid.  It's like this...I know tons of girls at school here...and yes...I get
drunk and crazy with a whole lot of girls at some of these parties.  Don't get
me wrong...I use Maniac's, Tony's, and Ross' stuff a lot...like when I meet
super hot chicks in normal situations, or normal little get togethers.  But,
what some of you guys don't understand, is that there are a lot of girls who
just love to party and get crazy with guys that can sweep them off their
feet...literally.  Yeah...I love to party...and I swing around all kinds of
girls at these things.  I often come home with one of them.  Usually, we know
eachother some way or another, but never slept together or even kissed before. 
	
   
   You just start meeting girls at the different sororities, dorms, co-ops, not
to mention all the girls that live off-campus...you form kind of a web linking
hundreds of cute girls.  You don't have the time to seduce and fuck all of
them, so you only go for the nines and tens(which are pretty rare in Berkeley),
but you'll see the other cuties around...some of which will be a willing
partner you'll get crazy with at a party.  
  
  I've been with three chicks who live in the same house as me this semester
out of the 14 that live here...all drunken one nighters, and they were so much
fun.  One was a nine, and two eights(not included Bernie, yet).  There were two
other times that I totally didn't remember anything from the night before and
woke up naked looking at the back of a girl's head.  I thought that was super
cool.  Both times I was like "Whoa...I fucked so and so last night...how wild".
 I mean, when you're in a large university you meet a whole lot of girls
everywhere, and you see them at parties all the time.  A whole lot of girls
want to get drunk and crazy, just like guys do.  You just have to be decent
looking, wild, crazy, and fun(this is where the booze helps you get with the
drunk chicks, because you'll need to be extra outgoing to even get their
attention)...and it helps that you be the alpha male at the party.  
 
   I still don't understand why a lot of guys on here don't like drunk
chicks...they are the funnest of all.  They'll do things they're too afraid of
when they're sober...such as act crazy and wild, they'll screw in the bathroom,
let you feel them up in front of a hundred people while tonguing them down,
they hook up with you when you never would otherwise(such as nailing a cute
little stoner chick in a mini-skirt, when you are the most clean cut guy in the
world)hell...once, I even frenched three drunk girls(all friends) one after the
other.  So, if you don't like my wild frat boy method...fine.  It's your loss
that you're not open to different methods of nailing women.  I'm not the only
guy at this school that nails chicks like crazy doing this kind of thing...you
should see some of these crazy fratboys.  Granted, 95% of fratboys are loser
AFC's, but there are a few that nail chicks left and right without even having
a clue about Ross Jeffries or Maniac High.  They do it just by being
ultra-confident and wild with women.  It doesn't even necessarily have to be at
a party, either.  
   
   The only thing is that you have to be very careful...no really means no with
a super drunk chick...no matter what...if there is a little too much
resistence, back off...you don't want legal problems.  I've had resistence
happen two times...and I wasn't about to push it, so I stopped, and walked them
out.    
   
   I'm not putting down you guys that don't like to party, but I do like to
party, and I lay chicks that way just as well as going through the whole
seduction checkoff list...I always have a super great time, and I bring home
chicks from crazy nights all the time.  I'll be more specific with how I do
this in my next post.  I just got back from class and I have a little time to
kill before I go to work.
	
   Oh...by the way...I decided to make Bernie a little project, since I was
slammed so bad...I couldn't live it down if I didn't fuck her soon.  I'll fill
you people in with the story when it happens.  I also really want to piss off
Julie some more.  I love the contemptuous look that feminist gives me when she
sees me coming and going with different girls. 

-Rush

The ‘tickle’ transition to sex!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



The 'tickle' transition to sex!


From: "yaritai" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Identyfing Her Desires 1 (Making Your First Move Easy) - The Tickle Fight
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:21:32 +0900

Tickle fights:

In my experience, the tickle fight is a situation where there is implied
permission/desire for you to make a move.

If she just giggles and moves away and basically refuses to get into it,
then there's a possibility that she's not interested, but NOT NECESSARILY!
If that happens, you'll have to do other things to find out. But if she
turns around and starts tickling you back, then she most definitely wants
you!

Girl tickles you back (more than just a poke) => The girl is definitely
interested in you.
Girl doesn't tickle you back => The girl may or may not want you.

Do NOT make the mistake of reversing this. For example, the following logic
is WRONG:

Girl is interested => She will tickle you. (No, she may not.)

And never assume: Girl doesn't tickle back => She's not interested. (It's
only possible.)

Just remember that if she gets into a tickle fight, she DOES want you.
Forget the rest.
She is ready to be physical with you. Now, how do you go from tickle to
kiss? Easy as hell!!! Ha ha ha. I now laugh (in a very sad kind of ironic
way) at just how stupid I was in the past.

If you can in any way at all get into a tickle fight near a bed or large
carpeted area, do so.

Tickle her a bit. If she's ticklish, she'll laugh and grab her sides a bit.
(If she's not ticklish, she may not react at all. Keep trying for a bit, but
if she still doesn't react, it's no fun and won't work, so stop or tease her
about being "insensitive".) Continue unless you get a very bad reaction. If
you try a few times and she continues to retreat, stop and try later, or try
something else. Most likely, she will start tickling back and it'll escalate
into a full fledged tickle-fight.

This is exactly what you want to happen.

Not only that, but she has now, without using any words, ASKED you to kiss
her!!!

Let her tickle you back a bit, tickle her, etc. and do this for a little
while. Then, after a short while, you reach your arms around her and hold
her hands and arms with one hand, and you tickle her with the other.
Congratulations, you are now hugging her. Not only that, but she is laughing
and loving every minute of it. Can you say "anchor"? ;-)

Now, this is where you need a bed (if at all possible) or carpeted floor.
After a bit of this, if you really get her tickled, her knees will buckle,
and she will fall to the floor. (Don't let go, you caveman!) Gently fall
with her and lower her to the floor and relent just a little. Give her some
space and time to recover a bit and catch her breath. (If she doesn't fall
to the floor/bed, see below for.)

Now, the moment of truth. If she comes back at you in any way whatsoever,
you grab her, throw her down on the bed or floor (gently, of course), but
while she's on her back, you then climb aboard and hold her wrists down. If,
at this point, she's still smiling and enjoying the fight, you are so in, it
's not funny. If she loses the smile then, I don't know. (It's never
happened to me).

If you're lucky, she'll reach up with her feet to get your head. This means
you have to bring your head all the way down, almost to the point where you
are kissing her. Don't kiss her yet though. Let the sexual tension build, a
LITTLE. Tease her. Blow in her face a bit. Hold both hands with one, and
tickle very lightly with the other. Stick your finger in her ear. Rub her
nose with yours. Here, you can even kiss her on the cheek, in a
playful/non-sexual way. It doesn't matter! Act 10 years old. Laugh. Tell her
she's sooooooo cute when she's helpless. It's fun! Just be playful, and do
NOT hurt her.

The point is to make her feel good, while increasing frustration and sexual
tension. Then, after a bit of this, change your expression to a more sexual,
serious one, (she'll probably do the same), gaze into her eyes and bring
your face close to hers. Then, kiss her. She gave you permission 20 minutes
ago!

This, my friends, is pure magic. Hasn't failed me yet.

Comments/opinions?

yaritai

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

Preamable: Calling PC Bullshit and what to do when you get stuck

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Preamble:

There is lots of stuff on this site. It will all help you get laid. 
Besides using the specific techniques, Maniac Plan..etc..etc, ...If 
ever you get lost and don?t know what to do, the first and foremost 
thing to keep in mind is the following mantra, which is increasingly 
important in this day and age of political correctness and other 
associated chick bullshit that we are currently knee deep in out 
there in the real world:
 
--

You must stand up for yourself, and love yourself (as well as women), 
while at the same time not being afraid to call bullshit from women 
(or men spewing bullshit on behalf of women) openly, publicly and 
for what it is, particularly in this day and age, and in particular 
in English speaking western countries (ie. the UK, the USA, 
Canada..etc). This would include a lot of the ?politically correct? 
nonsense sexual 'harrassment' bullshit, fake rape...yada yada.. 
circulating around college campuses, office/workplaces..etc. today.

Because guess what. .Girls want attention and nice dinners, just as 
guys like sex, and hot looking women. Both are OK, totally normal, 
and it is * NOT*  OK for women to openly want and demand what they 
want, yet then try to deny or restrict the man what he wants as he 
goes about his life in society. When a chick attempts this on a PUA, 
that is the express ticket to the evening by herself. That is a fact 
of life in the real world, and it is something the ?me? generation 
had better start getting used to again. 

Because it is just as much sexual harassment to * ME * to have to see
an overweight fatty food loving 300 lb co-worker waddling down the 
aisle at the office, as it is for her to see my picture of Claudia 
Schiffer hanging on my wall. I am JUST AS OFFENDED AND REPULSED to 
have to see her (all of 300 lbs of her!), as she is to have to see 
my picture.

The same goes for other crap that has proliferated since the 70s,  
such as like when women attempt to be able to be like a man when she 
wants to get the advantages of a man (?I want the same salary, 
promotions and opportunities as a man?), but then expect to get  
treated specially because she is a woman when it also suits her as 
well (?oh, I want the man to ask ME out, I want the man to lead (but 
if he goes too fast, I will scream Sexual Harrassment!), and I want 
him to pay to take me out, or if I decide I don't want him any more and
I divorce, I want to keep the house, kids, and have him pay for it 
all too?). 

Folks, this is bullshit. . . And when your school administration, or 
office personal department, or legal system attempt to spew 
such bullshit on you, it is your responsibility as a man to call such 
bullshit when you see it to your friends, and to the ones doing the 
spewing. Because if you don?t, you will never have success with women 
(or anything else for that matter) in life, if you always let others 
trample all over you because you are too afraid to stand up for 
yourself and what is right.

Usually chicks will want you to lead the evening (ie. She won?t kiss 
you, you will have to kiss her), but then they will also want to 
decide what to do, or bring her friends, or other such nonsense 
that will disrupt the progress of the evening (the goal of which is
to start an intimate relationship, which is the point of it all). Of 
course when chicks try this, it is bullshit... because you either 
lead...or follow... or get out of the fucking way... not all 3 
at once. . . 

But guess what, letting the chick lead doesn?t work, because, chicks 
generally will NOT follow a logical approach to get a relationship 
started. Just they will wander randomly all over the dating map in 
no particular direction with no steps being taken to arrive at the 
goal, and then will wonder why ?it didn?t work out??.. DOH..

So you will have to do the leading, and all the work. . . and this 
guide will show you how. 


Happy reading,


Maniac High

http://www.pickupguide.com

3p Lay Report! Maniac does a street PU and threesome!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[020915]

Maniac does a street PU and threesome!  3p report!

I dont much write lay reports anymore, as they are all pretty much the same, and
formula based. Now the research is on to more interesting things.. like 
threesomes!!

Recently, I got together my first 'unplanned' threesome, with 2 chicks that
had never done one. Here is the report, and how I got it set up to happen!

The 2 chicks are Bibabe (she likes girls), and HBExciteMe (she likes anything
as long as it is on edge and exciting, be it bar fights, or inpulsive 
threesome with her acquantances she doesn't know real well).

I had known Bibabe for a few months, and already fucked her with a standard
new Maniac Plan lay routine. During a drinking pubnight I was debriefing her
and kidded her about a cute girl nearby, and that she should 'try her out',
as 'only a woman really knows how to treat a woman'. 

This is a test I used to see if she was bi/bicurious. She joked back 'maybe
I should take the chance!'. This is good (even as a joke), as non bi-curious
chicks will just react (blech! I like guys). Later that evening, the 'target'
went to the bathroom, and I suggested to Bibabe, 'here is your chance', go
see if she wants to go out with us after.    .. and Bibabe just got up, and
followed her in the bathroom! (no hesitation, anything!). Unfortunately,
when she got there, she stalled out, and didn't know what to say/how to
execute the PU.

Still, this was good, because it told me that: 
1)I got a bi-curious chick
2)She may have no experience, and is an AFC when it comes to PU.. but 
 she is not afraid, and is willing to try stuff on command... very very good,
 as I will be able to work with this.

I debriefed her some more after this later that evening, and she did say
that she was a bit curious about cute girls, but had never tried anything.
I jokingly suggested that I will help her get one, and she jokingly agreed.
(using 'jokes' in this way is a good way to 'test' people for unusual
preferences, as they can always back down and say they were 'joking' if they
feel threatened, but will play with the 'joke' otherwise. 

Ie. if you ask a Bi-curios chick directly 'Are you Bi', she will get defensive,
and say 'no', but if you kid about it the way I did above, if she goes
along with it, then it is her way of communicating (in a less risky way),
that she is possibly interested in what you are proposing. 

Then I told her my story about my ex-gf who was bi, and how she was so cool
and fun. That made it clear to her, that I accept such people, and that she
can feel more comfortable around me to talk about such things..

Same goes for talks about kink, group sex...whatever, use the same method
above if you want to get a chick into those topics/test for interest.

So, that evening, I told her, that I would do the PU for her, and to watch
me. So I go to the target, tell her that my GF and I like her, and want
her to come out with us for a pint after this party is over. The target says 
'OK'! The party ends, and we go up as a group, but the target's AFC friends
pull her away. The target was looking for reassurance from Bibabe (and not
just me, since it is more secure to have it coming from the girl, not the guy),
but Bibabe, being an AFC, failed to do this, so she left.

--
Fast forward to another pubnight a month later, different groups of friends.
We have some pints, and I joke to Bibabe, that 'I need to teach you how
to pick up a woman, because you ladies always have it just easy, and just
wait for the guys to come along, and do all the work'. Bibabe then asks me,
ok, teach me then. 

I then go into ASF/AFC basic training (ie. like what you see in my nMP/lay
reports on pickupguide.com) with her, and tell her what to do/not do. She
is very fascinated by it all.

Another month goes by, I meet her some times to fuck her, and joke about
getting her a nice girl, and she goes along with the joking. 

Then last week, another pubnight and dance at a nightclub in down, and I
run into Bibabe by chance in the place with her friends. We dance for a bit,
and I decide that I want to fuck Bibabe, so I extract her from there (no 
problem, since I already fucked her before).

We are then walking down the street to get a bite, and she runs into a
chick (HBExciteme) on the sidewalk that she sort of knew from the nightclub,
one of her friend's friends or something. She is very cute and sexy.

First I thought...shit.. now we are stuck with her fucking friend all night,
and I can't get bibabe home...   that thought lasted about.... 10 seconds..
then I thought.... THREESOME!!!!

From my chats with Bibabe, I knew that she would be willing to try something,
but probably AFC out, so I would need to direct everything so it wouldn't
fuck up. Thats ok though, I am a PUA, have experience, and had been working
on a threesome/3p PU plan (still very experimental), so no problem.

Also, this situation was better than the last time with the other target, 
because there were no other friends around to distract us, just me, Bibabe, and 
HBExciteme as the target we would gang up on to try to take home and fuck
together.

The basic plan was:
-get the 3 of us together in an Izakaya/beer pub, sitting down, in a way
 that the 2 chicks can pay attention to each other, and I am close enough to
 direct it.
-get HBExciteme to feel comfortable around Bibabe
-get them both to my place
-fuck them both

The place where we were was Roppongi (part of Tokyo), which these days,
has been totally infested by these illegal migrant Nigerian guys that 
always 'attack' single guys walking down the sidewalk, and try to drag 
them into expensive hostess clubs. So I first kid about this, and ask
each girl to 'protect me from them', and hold each of my hands out to
each girl.. each girl (Bibabe did first, and then social proof kicked in,
and HBExciteme took the other one) takes one of my hands. So now Kino has
already started, only 1 minute into the PU..cool. 

This is a trend the whole night actually, using one girl you already laid 
(Bibabe) as social proof/trendsetting to make the other girl (HBExciteme) 
do what I want, since now psychologically, it is 2 against 1, so social
pressure forces come much more into play against the target (especially
when one of us doing the PU is also a chick ('good cop' effect), than if it is
just you alone, against a target chick.

So the next thing I did was take them to a quiet beerpub (it is now 1am
now) in Roppongi, where I was. Usually, when I am one on one, I choose places
with counters, but this time, since there are 3, I wanted a table, so that
the 2 chicks could see each other, and I could direct it/be in earshot of both
at the same time. So a counter wouldn't work in this case.

Once we got in there, I sat down next to Bibabe (so I could hold her, feel
her up/get her excited, and also tell her what to do/say to the target, 
HBExciteme), and had HBExciteme sit directly facing Bibabe the other side
of the small table. 

From here, some regular nMP stuff on HBExciteme (job, tired, like beer?).

Then I ask into the ear of Bibabe (sitting next to me), "so do you like her?".
She whispers back "yes". I reply to her, "OK, just do what I tell you", and 
I start the PU.

Now what I do, is pay most of my facial/verbal attention to HBExcite me,
across the table, while visibly kino'ing Bibabe (holding her leg.., being
very physically close, tonguedowns to bibabe in front HBExciteme) 
The goal is to make HBExciteme a bit physically aroused and jealous
by the show in front of her, and then letting her release that, by allowing
her to give/express attention (to Bibabe) at a moment I decide later on when
I want to close the PU.

Now I begin... After a few 'cheers' of beer, and kino'ing/KC'ing Bibabe
I get things deeper with HBExciteme by asking her (see nMP for this and
other routines, on my www.pickupguide.com homepage) "So tell me HBExciteme,
are you the type who likes romance, or the type who likes excitement?"
(the goal here, is to ask a double bind question, with the answer I want/expect
to be the last choice).

As expected, HBExciteme replies "excitment, definately excitement". Ok,
so far so good (I turn and KC Bibabe in front of her). Now I play the
strawberry game with HBexciteme (see webpage for it). Her answers are
fence: 1 meter
# of berries: don't care at all/not so much
feeling to farmer: nothing special/don't care

This was interesting, as it wasn't really any response at all to the game.
In retrospect, this is what HBExciteme was like though overall. Not very
reactive/proactive to anything, but on the other hand, anything that might
happen (ie. getting fucked later that night), is ok, and whatever happens
just happens and that is OK with her.

Now I take the hand of HBExciteme (it was on the table in front of me),
and remark on how small and gentle it is, and the nailcolor (red), and
how it matched those of Bibabe (was also red). Then I put both their hands
together, to compare each other's color and size. HBExciteme didn't retract
at this point, which was a good sign.

Now I decide to let them get to know each other a bit without me, and get
comfortable in that girls only way. So I say "I am going to the bathroom,
but will be back, you two wait here for me", and then I take each of their
hands, and put Bibabes hand on top of HBExciteme's hand on the table, and
leave them that way when I get up to go to the bathroom.

I get back, and Bibabe is still holding HBExciteme's hand while talking to
her... very very good sign!

I sit down, and then seperate their hands, and take each girls hand in each
of my hands, so I am holding both of them.. still no bad reaction from
HBExciteme (now she is happy to not be getting left out of all the kino
I figure, and probably is happy that Bibabe is sharing me with her so she
doesn't feel like the '3rd wheel' anymore)... so far so good.

I ask Bibabe again (confirm), "you like her"? Bibabe: "yes". ... good too.

I now ask HBExciteme "so what is your type of guy"? She tells me a guy
who leads, and otherwise OK. Sounds good. At that point, HBExciteme takes
her leg, and puts it on top of mine under the table (while I am still
holding the hands of both girls).

This my friends, is the closing sign! HBExciteme, accepts Bibabe, and wants
to fuck me, and Bibabe is also in on it. Cool!

I say "lets go" (I *do not* say where we are going, and neither girl asks me).

We get down to the street (I take hand of each girl again, in the street, 
like before), and I flag a taxi. I still don't say where we are going, and
neither girl asks (well, Bibabe knows what will happen, and HBExciteme
seems to have figured it out without anyone telling her explicitly ;-)  ).

We get in the taxi, and I sit in the front seat, and put the 2 girls in the
back. I expect.. (and am not disappointed from how I saw Bibabe with HBExciteme
in the pub) Bibabe to start to kino and feelup HBExciteme in the back of the
cab. Needless to say I am not disappointed, I trained Bibabe well for this
mission in the past month.. that taxi driver must have been surprised by
what he saw in the mirror though!

It was a nice sight to watch that all the way home, and the taxi driver,
like a good mannered Japanese staff to his clients, feigned ignorance of the
whole thing ;-), courteous and restrained right to the end of the trip.

We get to my house and I worry that if a freakout will happen, it will be
here, and that HBExciteme will insist to stay in the living room, or something.

So what I did, is take HBExciteme's hand (and not Bibabe), so she gets the
special attention (for now), and take her up to my room. Bibabe is behind
(and in on the scam), and says nothing/looks calm to HBExciteme. I leave
HBExciteme in the room by herself, and I go down to Bibabe downstairs.

At this point, HBexciteme might not know if we were going to stay there,
so that way she cannot freak out, that was the intent of doing it this way.

A couple minutes later, Bibabe and I come up. We are both happy to see
that rather than sleep in all her clothes, HBExciteme has stripped down to
her Tback Thong bikini, and is lying down on the futon waiting for us;
just relaxed.  Wow! That was very cool..

Bibabe and I strip down, and get in the futon next to her (arent tatami
rooms great! room for all!).

I start touching/feeling up HBExciteme a bit, and she doesnt react bad at all,
just she lets me do it, and makes erotic sounds as I reach into her
private places, and she starts shrieking and wriggling all around.

Now here though, is where things got a little edgy.. because this made
Bibabe a bit jealous. Bibabe is cute, but HBExciteme is definately a
babe, very sexy, and attractive, especially wearing only that Tback Thong.
Bibabe somehow, was uncomfortable about this, and was getting a bit irritated
when I gave attention to HBExciteme.

So I stopped playing with HBExciteme, and fucked Bibabe silly instead, with 
HBExciteme next to me (she didn't mind this at all, it turns out).

After that was done, I hugged them both, and played with them both a bit.
Bibabe still got a bit irritated when I would give attention to HBExciteme,
and then decided she wasn't interested in HBExciteme as much anymore.
I told Bibabe that I wanted to fuck HBExciteme, and that she was really
sexy looking (Bibabe agreed, and that I think also irritated her a bit
it turns out). 

I suggested to Bibabe that I got her this nice woman for the evening, and
she is game on, so why doesn't she try her out. But she didn't want to
anymore, besides what she did to her in the cab, and when we first got in
the house.

HBExciteme, heard all this whispering, but was just relaxed about it, lying 
on the bed with her thong.

Bibabe finally said that I should fuck HBExciteme, so I did in the morning.
She was a good fuck, very sexy..babe. (I didn't know her name though,
still, as it was Bibabe's friend's friend, and I had forgot the name she
said in the bar). SHe works out or something, very firm body, no fat, sexy
and curvy in all the right places.... babe.

I could touch HBExciteme/do her anywhere, no resistance, just
shaking and erotic sounds as I did her. The only thing is HBExciteme didn't 
want me to kiss her on the lips, but anything else licking/feeling up/fucking 
related was totally OK and uninhibited... odd..

In the morning, Bibabe left as she had an appointment someplace, gave me a 
tonguedown in front of HBExciteme in the tatami bedroom, and went home.

I then played with and fucked HBExciteme some more, just the two of us, 
and then took her to the train station after.

n
I debriefed and asked what HBExciteme felt about the evening, and she said that 
she liked it, had never done that, but felt bad that Bibabe was a bit
jealous, that it seem I am her boyfriend. But it was OK. Somehow she was very
calm about it all, very surreal, but it was cool though..

I took her to the trainstation, and then never saw her again. I didn't ask
her email/phone, and she didn't ask mine (adds to the mystery of it I
suppose ;-) )!.

--

The next day I talked to Bibabe, and she was a bit nervous, about what the
reaction of HBExciteme was, and more, if she might tell her common friends
what happened with the 3 of us. I told her that it was very unlikely, and that
it was just the secret of the 3 of us. That calmed her down alot. Then I 
asked Bibabe what she thought of it all, and said she liked it, though it was 
the first time, and she was nervous about it all, and who might find out, which 
was why she wasn't as liberal at playing with HBExciteme as she actually 
wanted to be the previous night.

I told her that we would go out another night, and pickup another girlfriend
off the street to playwith for another adventure. She said she is looking
very forward to that evening! Fucking awesome! . .


--

What I learned:

-It helps alot to prepare one of the chicks ahead of time with the plan,
so she can help you execute it (or at least not fuck it up). This is crucial,
and adds a large degree of control to the situation that is otherwise absent,
and in the end, greatly improves the success rate.

-Like a regular PU, it is also helpful to have a PU plan ready, with steps
 (kino, tables (not counters) and seating arrangements thought out, the 
 games to use/gimmicks (nigerians, hands and the bathroom..etc), that can
 be used to advance things. This preparation was very valuable.

-Social proof effects are very powerful in 3p situations, where one of the
 chicks is in on the scam. HBexciteme I dont think is bi (just anything is
 OK), and had it been just me, I dont think I could have laid her, but with
 the social proof/peer pressure, things like getting her home/into the bedroom
 almost naked became trivially easy. Social proof effects will work way against
 you if you didn't prepare one of the chicks, but will work way in your 
 favor if you did prepare one of the chicks... so use that to your advantage!

-Jokes as tests: ie. the bi jokes above I used to scope out Bibabe when
 I met her.. important to determinate what a chick will likely do/not do.

-Jealousy: I remember TPUA had a similar 3P experience a while back, and
 jealousy between the chicks was also a bit of an issue. I need to do the
 set up for this better with the other 'hunter' chick next time I execute the
 plan.

So there you go!

THE END!

Opinion/comments welcome!

Maniac High
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