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Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
-------

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From: Brian 
Subject: New Routine: The House
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:45:53 GMT

I recently learned a new routine similar to the "4 Questions", "The
Cube", "strawberry fields" etc.  A chick at work taught this to me, and
I've used it twice with other chicks that I've flirted with.  It's a
good way to move into eliciting her values and doing more intense
question games, and it's also very simple.  I call it "The House":

Tell the chick to imagine herself standing inside a house.  As she is
standing there, 5 things are taking place which demand her immediate
attention:

1. A baby is crying.
2. The phone is ringing.
3. Somebody is knocking on the door.
4. Water is running in a sink.
5. Clothes are hanging outside to dry and it's starting to rain.

Ask the chick to tell you in which order she would take care of each of
these problems.  Once she tells you this, explain to her that her
answers represent her priorities in life, since each problem has a
specific meaning:

1. The baby represents her family.
2. The phone represents her love life.
3. The knocking on the door represents her friends.
4. The water represents money.
5. The clothes represents her career.

Is this stuff real?  Damned if I know, but every chick I've used it on
is impressed, and even if it isn't right, most chicks seem to want to
believe that it is real.  Have fun!

-- 
Brian
brianr75 AT yahoo DOT com

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I think her "control" remark says it all. she likes to be controlled and thereis no better way to feel controlled than to have things happen to you or infront of you that you don't like, but can't stop. This chick is every man'sdream :) beautiful and subservient.
>It also means that Maniac will get much more GM in style, >and much more blatent with chicks when around chicks. I >will see what happens and report. Not be an asshole like>this guy (though being an asshole seems to get good chicks>because she is fucking AWESOME).

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REGARDLESS. Australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal, DISCLAIMER: I am a "natural" so I understand completely what is going on hereand will attempt to explain it, but girls react differently to naturals thanregular guys, so my comments may not be useful to most except for theoreticaluse :)>There is a chick that is in a hobby club which I am a >member. Now I have a rule about not nanpa'ing / Puing >chicks in this club, just because it makes for messy endings >that are hard to eject from. This chick (a top 10 big titted >awsome Japanese HB by the way), told me she was having >trouble with her BF, and had shown an interest in me (uh oh >;-). Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, So I figured to hear her story, and try to learn something >even if I dont plan to PU the chick. This was insightful, >even I learned a lot from this!..no.I was shocked >actually.. Here goes..>>HB Blitz started dating her current BF about two years ago. >BF is a playboy, and is dating several chicks at once (like >your's truly ;-) ). Problem is he is sloppy about it. The good >thing is, because of chick logic, it isn't a problem, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription.

it is NOT a problem. when I used to date several chicks that lived near eachother, I announced to all of them that I was seeing other chicks. I alsoannounced to the important ones WHO the other chicks were, because I didn'twant to get caught in lies or bad situations walking around town with them, buy Clonazepam online cod.
ALL of them gave me NO resistance whatsoever. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, None of them asked me to be onlywith them. my demeanor from the beginning is one of take-it-or-leave-it onboth sides. when they meet me, I am freely checking out chicks' asses and titsand commenting on them. if they DECIDE to get with me, they know this ahead oftime that I like LOTS of girls and am not interested in them for their minds ortheir emotions, but for their bodies and for fun. they have already acceptedthis by the time they get with me. they do not EXPECT me to just be with themor to love them or have some emotional connection to them, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. they see me asaction like I see them as action and we agree and that's it. what happensthough is that they want MORE after a while and start to up the ante to get meto just be with them. the difference here is that THEY are requestingsomething of me, not the other way around. If I were requesting sex from them,they could request the context of a relationship / committment. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, since I am NOTand they know I can get sex off of any other chick as quickly as I got it offof her, THEY have to do the work to MAKE ME want to just be with them. I haveALL the power in the relationship... all they can do is get with the program orLEAVE.
>From her description, Clonazepam from canadian pharmacy, BF playboy is an interesting >character, and a good PUA. Apparently, he will hit on >chicks anywhere, even in front of HB blitz!

as long as this is set up in the beginning, you can do this forever. if youdon't accept any women that hinder your efforts to meet other women, you end upin this situation, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. she DESIRES being with you, so she will do anything to keepyou happy... INCLUDING waiting for you while you meet other chicks that youwant to fuck. if you don't set this up from the start, you are finished. ifyou go to them as if you want a one-on-one relationship and THEN try to look atother girls, you imply that you want a one-on-one with the OTHER CHICKS and notwith your girl. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, if you approach her like she is going to be ONE OF YOUR GIRLS,then she can take that or leave it.

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>After that incident, he asked her to move in with him. .and >SHE DID. And SHE STILL LIVES THERE. And, get this, >he is never home most night (get a clue fuck!, heck, I bet >she already knows, but somehow in some masochistic way, >she likes getting left home while BF playboy is out fucking >other chicks!)., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. and, she says she can't decide what to do!

she TRIED to get more of his time by moving him in with her. now she pays onlyhalf the rent (then again, he probably isn't paying ANY rent) and she STILLdoesn't have any more control in her relationship... all she really did is fuckherself up as far as bringing other men home :)>This guys, is earthshattering material. I would have never >known that you could do so much shit to a chick, and still >have her madly in love with you, Order Clonazepam no prescription, to take.EVEN MORE >SHIT. Fucking incredible..! Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, if the chick wants you, you can do ANYTHING to her or in front of her and shewill accept it and love you still. it's all in the setup though. if youdeclare yourself an independent, attractive, appealing MAN and you are notgoing to stop fucking other chicks for her or any other girl, she has twochoices... stay with the "flawed" man that she WANTS FOR HERSELF... or get withother guys that MAY BE JUST AS FLAWED but have NO TRACK RECORD and NOREFERENCES.

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Oct 1 00:34:14 1999From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: Profile Report. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, Maniac meets the chick logic HB BLITZ.
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In article <19990917.072111.-238765.37.Outfoxx_Le_Foxxxes@juno.com>, OutfoxingThe Foxes writes:>Some Guy Writes:>>From her description, BF playboy is an interesting >character, and a good PUA. Apparently, he will hit on >chicks anywhere, even in front of HB blitz. (I am trying to >find a way I can meet him, so I can go PU with him ;-) ). BF >playboy seems to have a bit of Nathan's GM's friend >attitude, and will go hit on chicks in a restaurant, and then >come back to HB Blitz and remark about how that chick has >good tits, or whatever. He is in their face, and will get >phone numbers and everything, and leave HB Blitz sitting at >the table while he is doing the PUA (and no, she doesn't >leave, she sits and TAKES IT!).>><---------Of course she does, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. She has several possible motives for this.> One is to give him "The Power" and fulfill her conquering fantasy (by>allowing him to conquer her this way).

that's what I said... she admitted she likes a man to be in control of her.
she didn's say she likes a man to be in love with her. Online buying Clonazepam, two different things. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, I think the guy is attractive enough that he doesn't need her and doesn't needto treat her like a prize because she isn't because he can get more of herEVERY DAY. he is her conqueror and she is his SLUT and that's all there is toit :) back to the caveman days.
>Another is to piss off guys like>you by making you wonder why she's with him and not you; still another is>to draw attention to herself because if she didn't have problems, why>would anyone pay attention to her with such intensity. (sex, but what>else?). Finally, she may get off on pitting other men against her>boyfriend. Given all this, one word applies: P-I-V-O-T, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. Here you have>a gorgeous ornament which is absolutely useless to you,

I completely disagree here. according to this report, she NEVER said she wasfaithful to her BF. I don't think she wants to be either. matter of fact, itwould be part of her CONTROL GAME to fuck Maniac and try to hide it from herboyfriend. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, I think Maniac could have fucked her right there in the club sinceshe is used to being treated like a SLUT (notice the correct usage of the wordhere as a WENCH or a HARLOT that is only there for a man's PHYSICAL PLEASUREand is only valued for her FUCKING and SUCKING expertise and nobody cares whatshe thinks about it and she has relinquished all control over her body toanother) She will be a SLUT for maniac as she is for her boyfriend. she likesthat feeling of being TAKEN.

she is not USELESS to him sexually... however, the risk is HIGH that he isgoing to get BLUTOed and that though their relationship is strange according toManiac's idea of a relationship, buy no prescription Clonazepam online, a double-standard may be in effect were she isnot allowed to fuck around AT ALL and her boyfriend is.
>but whom you can>use to lure other Foxes, and which serves as a Straw Fox, because>anything you say which is negative about women can be routed through her>and her dysfunctional relationship. Using her as a pivot short-circuits>this tactic, and telling her you are doing this might provoke her into>chasing you because you were smart enough to avoid the problems she gives>you while using her to your advantage.

this is absolutely true, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. telling her that you don't want sex with her, but toUSE HER to lure other chicks will make her WANT to be TAKEN by you. see howmuch treating her like she is worthless got her boyfriend. let her know she ishot... BUT... Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, you can't fuck her because of XYZ so you will just remain friendsand she can help you get other chicks.
>And, the killer!.she then told me, it was for reasons like this.that she>somehow LIKED HIM!. I asked her to explain, and she couldn't. My>impression is that she likes an >attractice man she cannot control, and this has to be the ultimate>example of that. She also remarked she likes the man to be in control, Where can i order Clonazepam without prescription, >and lead her.>><--------She sees him as smart enough to treat her as she deserves to be>treated. This is a no-brainer.

simple, but important, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. one of my wings doubted my techniques. I would tellhim weekly, if not daily of how I attracted women by being who I am and hedidn't want to listen. he got deep into supplication with this HB to the pointof being a "girlfriend" to her. he was frustrated and mad... Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, THEN he decidedto take my advice and go hardcore on her. in ONE CONVERSATION lasting twohours he found out that this chick that he had PREVIOUSLY labeled a "tease" isa REGULAR at ANAL SEX and LIKES to look up into a guy's eyes when she's on herknees sucking his dick. He called me the next day all amazed and praising mehahaha. he FINALLY saw the light about his months of SUPPLICATION. he hadbought her stuff and taken her places... I asked him what that was a REWARDFOR.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. FOR HER LOOKING GOOD. what did she do for him to deserve what he wasdoing for her. he saw CLEARLY that he gave away ANY power he had in therelationship by doing stuff for her with no reason.

There is definitely a way a woman deserves to be treated. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, it depends on whoshe is willing to be for you. if you overdo it and a woman does NOTHING foryou and you buy her stuff and take her places... why SHOULD she do ANYTHING foryou. she gets gifts for NOTHING... she can work hard at getting some OTHER GUYto give her stuff... like that incident that I am still laughing at wheresomeone on the NG drove some chicks to a bar and the chicks ditched themimmediately :) hahahaha the girls KNEW they had the guys that drove themthere in their back pocket.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. on to the next challenge. :)>It also means that Maniac will get much more GM in style, >and much more blatent with chicks when around chicks. I will see what>happens and report. Not be an asshole like this guy (though being an>asshole seems to get good chicks because she is fucking AWESOME).>><-----The more you become like GM, the more you are going to implode>towards Foxes like this one. This will corrupt your overall view of Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >women to where you think they are all like this. That doesn't mean that>GM methods (dirty talking is what they used to call it) are necessarily>bad; obviously a number of women like this type of sexual communication. >However, getting her gets you no prize; I'm sure she has the>confrontation scenario already worked out in her head, and if there is no>confrontation, you can be assured that one day you'll be the awful>boyfriend that she one day complains about to others.

getting her gets him no prize anyway even if there is no FIGHT. this chick isan empty-netter. yes she is an HB, but what she REQUIRES from a man is tocontrol her, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. not looks, not sweetness, not monogamy, not cuddling, notrespect... NOTHING BUT CONTROL. she likes that feeling of being submissive andhaving things happen to her that are out of her control. she would do well inthose nanpa videos you guys love so much :) I can see her getting fucked in analley by four chinese with video cameras and liking it a lot :)>She is REQUIRING men to act like jerks to get her into bed because at ANY>point down the road she can isolate their behavior and turn others>against them. That's the price a man pays for going after a Fox like Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >this. The only way I would get involved with someone like this is with>loads of preemption, and a reminder to her that I know EXACTLY what she>is about.

yeah. the jig is up. let her know that you know who she is. let her get withthe fucking or be your LJBF pivot or be gone. end of story

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that's absolutely true. I was dating this chick that had a boyfriend and I waswondering why she didn't dump him, so I changed my tactics (after fucking herof course) from you are ONE of my girlfriends to I want to be just with you andmake YOU happy. she turned IMMEDIATELY cold to me and was no longer interestedin me. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she already had that from her boyfriend. what she wanted from me iswho I am... a guy that likes sex and fun. PERIOD. no relationship, noemotions, NOTHING.

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I much prefer to sarge in person, but when I am stuck at home, like when
my sons are with me and they have gone to bed, I get online.  Since I
have finished Ross' BHSC, my online sarging skills have sky rocketed.  I
decide to try my new skills on a real challenge - married women.  So, I
get onto AOL and go into the married room.

I meet this chick from another state.  She was originaly from here and
has relatives here.  We start with small talk and exchange pics (very
attractive).  She said that her marriage was very good and alluded to
the fact that she would never consider having an affair.  Her idea of
commiting adultery is simply sharing deep secrets with another man.  She
only gets online to keep in touch with people.  We build rapport and she
begins to open up...

 Mary:  I called my husband (he has been away for a week on business)
and he was so p.o.'d.  That didn't help much
 David:  oh that was not nice of him.  that is not at all a suppoortive
thing to say.  Now is the time when you need someone to support your
emotions.
 Mary:  i know.  we had some words and he saw it from my point
 David:  Well good that you made him see it from your point of view.
 Mary:  it's not like i did a thing to have this happen.
 Mary:  I was quite upset when I got his reaction when I was looking for
some consoling and really tore into him
 David:  How do you feel to be talking with me to allow yourself to vent
as I see it from your point of view
 Mary:  good. thanks.
 David:  good.  I like to see you feel good.  And it makes me feel good
 Mary:  So, you are divorced? How long if I may pry a little?
 David:  yes, I am for 7 years now.
 Mary:  How long were you married?
 David:  8 years. but after 6 years of marriage, I realized I wanted
something more.
 Mary:  12 here.  Married pretty young
 David:  I did not know at first what it was, but I knew that I was not
fullfiled.
 Mary:  We have had our share or rocky roads but they always seem to
smooth out.
 David:  you might ask why I am in the married room
 Mary:  do i dare ask?  you have a fettish for married women? lol
 David:  you might say :-) lol  just kidding
 Mary:  lol   or are you learning what we all want??!!!
 David:  Do people really know what they want?
 Mary:  Very few! very very few!
 David:  I have been avoiding single women.  Eventually they want to
become very serious and talk about marriage.  I just am not ready for
marriage yet.
 Mary:  I only get on here to get an occasional laugh and see what
everyone is talking about
 Mary:  If I were to do it all over again, i don't know if I would get
married.  Don't get me wrong I am happy, but I think everyone wonders
from time to time
 David:  The thing I like about married women is they want to celebrate
being a woman
 Mary:  of course we do!!
 David:  and they are very sensual
 Mary:  yea, sensual because of something they are lacking
 David:  and they are tremendous lovers because they know how wonderful
intimacy should be
 Mary:  i wouldn't know about that one! lol
 David:  and they want to savor all of it
 Mary:  true, its in their minds
 David:  yes, it is really all in the mind
 Mary:  i think most woman fantisize about the moment rather than the
actual event unlike most men.
(hmmm...  I think I heard a good idea for a pattern there!)
 Mary:  most men want it with two women or this way or that way etc.
etc. etc. most men are not capable of understanding a woman's needs
 David:  yes, that is very true.  But for more mature men who understand
that true meaning of intimacy they know that it is the journey, not the
destination, that is to be savored.
 Mary:  so, you are teaching a class to all these non-intimate men in
the world right?  lol
 David:  lol  Do you prefer a mature man who knows how to treat a woman
like a lady and can truly appreciate a woman?
 Mary:  My husband and I talk all the time and he doesn't understand
that i don't have an actual sexual fantasy
 Mary:  i can't seem to get it through to him that it is a feeling not a
position that a woman yearns for
 Mary:  I tried to explain at one time, that he couldn't satisfy me
anymore physically as a lover than he already does but if he could learn
how to unleash the fire in me than he would have an incredibly different
view of things
 Mary:  that there is a big difference between incredible sex and what I
was trying to explain to him
 David:  yes, that feeling of incredible connection
 Mary:  he asked me to explain that to him, and of course i couldn't.  I
don't think it is something that you can really truly explain
 David:  that is correct.  It is something that you feel, something that
you know
 Mary:  unless you desire it as well, and he is content with what he
gets! lol
 David:  some men are just happy with just that.  sex.  and for them
that is enough.  But for others, there is a higher plane of sharing
 Mary:  yep  it is at the emotional level as you explained
 David:  an incredible connection at all levels of intimacy - emotional,
intellectual, physical, and spiritual
 Mary:  exactly, so well put, but so misunderstood by many

(Here I do the IC pattern.  Based on her response I say...)

 David:  You are a person who is very concerned about the good feelings
of other people
 Mary:  yes, I have always been that sort of person.  Put others before
myself
 David:  That tells me that you are a person who is capable of a deep
incredible connection and communication
 Mary:  so you do fortune telling on the side too? lol ;-)
 David:  lol    I would like to think that I am a good judge of
character
 Mary:  so far you are doing pretty good
 David:  To me it is just sharing.  It feels good to share like this.
 Mary:  yes, it does.
 David:  yes, it does.  I love the way it feels to share like this
 Mary:  So, you share a lot on here?
 David:  When I meet someone I feel comfortable with, I will enjoy the
sharing if it takes place
 Mary:  it is nice having someone to share your feelings with
 David:  yes, it is nice to have someone to share your feelings with.
To see it from your point of view.  To take the time to understand.  It
feels very good
 David:  There is nothing finer than feeling as close to someone as can
absolutely be
 David:  there is nothing more rewarding than when a woman can share
with a man and teach him how to really feel, and there is nothing more
moving for a man to have been made to feel so very vulnerable
 Mary:  So, what made you come up with that screen name?
 David:  I think that is what it is all about.  To be so close as to
touch each other's soul
 Mary:  ok, so i really messed that translation up
 David:  wanna hear a poem I wrote?
 Mary:  sure, i would
 David:  I like to write poetry.  Will you give me your honest opinion?
 Mary:  you know i can really be a ruthless bitch, you may not want an
honest opinion! lol
 Mary:  just kidding, of course i will be honest
 David:  I know you will be :-)
 Mary:  just give me a minute to absorb the poem for my opinion
 David:  ok, I will
 David:  "The Tear"

(I recite The Tear)

 Mary:  Thats really good, seriously. Simple, but to the point!
 David:  I am glad you thought it was good.
 Mary:  better than good.
 David:  That is a very nice thing to say :-)
 Mary:  {{{{David}}}}
 David:  That hug feels so good Mary :-)
 Mary:  that is one of those hugging sort of pick me up off the pavement
sort of poems!  a great one for my day, thanks for sharing it with me
 David:  I love to hug.  It is such a wonderful way to share.  To feel
each others embrace.
 Mary:  you would have died on my lips all day long! lol
 David:  It makes me feel so good to make you feel so good.
 Mary:  my eyes are still all swollen!  I need a glass of wine, and a
jacuzzi!
 David:  yes, that would be nice. with candles and fragrances
 Mary:  Of course, wouldn't be right without those!
 David:  and slow soft music
 Mary:  Those are the things that i appreciate more.  The effort put
into the moment
 David:  and feeling like we are the only people in the world right now
 Mary:  to really absorb the atmosphere that is being shared
 David:  to really savor the sharing
 Mary:  or being swept away to a beach and listening to the sounds of
the ocean which i find extremely stimulating. smelling the salty air,
feeling the warm breeze
 David:  as the waves break mathodically on the sand, over and over and
over
 Mary:  yep
 David:  and feeling the soft sand under you.
 Mary:  I could stay there forever.
 David:  and let the world stand still
 Mary:  Hey, here's something funny. sorry to break this up
 David:  yes?
 Mary:  first i will say that i DO love my husband but his translation
of what we just described, is, The water is cold, the sand is gritty,
the air smells like dead fish etc.  the waves are crashing on the
beach.  And you bring all that damn sand home with you!! lol  How can
two people view something so differently
 David:  lol
 Mary:  As far as the jacuzzi? You can't do it in a jacuzzi, it just
doesn't feel right, I don't like wine, and unless it's country music i
don't want to hear it, and candle or no candle it doesn't matter and it
smells like clorine!
 David:  lol
 Mary:  I happen to like all music
 Mary:  and one night after he was gone for a long trip i went through
the extreme of setting the night
 Mary:  I bought a CD which I absolutely loved, and bought wine for
myself, lit all the candles, laid out a very soft blanket on the floor,
had on a really nice neglige' and he came in the door and said
"Allright! boy did i miss you!!"
 Mary:  the whole ordeal was over with quicker than i set the whole
thing up!!
 Mary:  can you believe that?
 David:  I am sorry to hear how selfish he was.  After all this kind of
attitude from his part, I would imagine that love making would become
old and stale and be reduced to just sex.  It is sad.
 Mary:  not always, we are trying to work on that. but some things i
think he will never understand and that part does get quite frustrating
 Mary:  I'm one of those emotional gals myself.
 David:  You need to feel that sense of sharing and that sense of
incredible intimate connection
 Mary:  sorry about my little detour ;-)
 David:  Mary, I am so glad you feel free to share with me all those
things that you are feeling
 David:  I adore that.  It is so precious to me that we can share this
way.
 Mary:  I am working on that.  I told him I wanted a get away in the
mountains at a ski resort.  I basically spelled out all the details for
him and told him if he did it, he wouldn't regret it for a moment
 Mary:  thanks, david
 Mary:  and i am sorry for being so scattered.
 David:  no.  I am happy you are so sharing with me
 Mary:  i am happy you have been so gracious to listen
 David:  Now that makes me feel so very good Mary.
 Mary:  Good David.
 David:  You do make me feel so good when we talk Mary.
 Mary:  You are easy to express myself to
 David:  I have heard that you know it is right when you feel you can
truely be yourself
 Mary:  probably true

(At this point she opens a private chat room for us.  She said "I am
tired of using the mouse."  hehe.  Most of the private chat room text
scrooled out.  I did more poetry, including the last 2 poems from my
post "Let her write your poetry."  I did the Discovery Channel Pattern.
I did the Blammo pattern.  Then I went into Major Mark's "compartments"
stuff from Ross' course.  Absolutely LETHAL when used on a married
woman.  Then...)


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committed because those feelings truly felt are of true love, something
very few people ever experience
David:  true, and it is sad if anyone goes through life and never
experiences them and never fully feels them
Mary:  so to experience that would be impossible because you would be
committed the day you experienced that. am i wrong?
David:  no, you are not wrong
Mary:  your souls would be committed to each other
David:  yes
Mary:  you can not truly feel what you described without affecting the
soul
David:  that is so true
Mary:  so it would be a committment the first time you actually
experienced it
David:  then what you say is true, but can it be done without affecting
all the other things in a persons life?  I would not want to change
anything in a persons life.
Mary:   i dont honestly think it could be done

(Here is where she finally betrays her husband)

Mary:  unless of course you are describing sharing what two people
desire but not crossing that line in putting those two people together,
does that even make sense?
David:  yes.  I would not want to cross that line
Mary:  i am beginning to confuse the heck out of myself! lol ;-)
David:  I agree that two people could share while agreeing to not cross
that line
Mary:  there is a fine line there though, very fine
David:  yes, and we would take great care not to cross it
David:  will you promise to not cross that line with me?
Mary:  I promise david I won't cross that line
David:  knowing that, we can share that special place for just you and
me. we can expereince all that is there to be experienced.  Just you and
me. just that place
Mary:  ok
David:  ok
David:  it will be our secret, to be kept completely to us, only us
Mary:  ok
David:  ok
David:  Mary
Mary:  David
David:  I want to give you something to think about
Mary:  ok
David:  I want you to first go into that special place that is just for
you and me...
Mary:  ok

(Locket pattern here)

David:  and now I kiss you good night and slowly walk away, to return
when we meet again
 Mary:  my mind is at rest
 Mary:  David as far as what is unfaithful and unfair to my husband, do
you understand that?  Is this wrong of me David?
 David:  I understand Mary.  I will allow you to think about that all
you want. I know you have much to think about
 Mary:  You are truly incredible David.
 David:  That makes me feel so very good Mary.  Good night sweetheart.
 Mary:  Good.  now good nite darlin' and sweat I mean sweet dreams to
you!
 Mary:  or the first, whichever you prefer! lol ;-)
 David:  I'll just leave that up to your imagination :-)
 Mary:  that's pretty dangerous with my little mood swings tonight! lol
 David:  lol
 Mary:  you don't want to have nitemares do you
 Mary:  of endless tortures of passion ! lol
 Mary:  that would just be terrible now wouldn't it
 Mary:  ;-), always a smart ass, I am!
 David:  :-)
 David:  Mary
 Mary:  darlin''?
 David:  When you go to bed tonight, go into that special place in your
mind
 Mary:  ok gotcha
 David:  and..... relax
 Mary:  and...... relax
 Mary:  a very warm sensual place
 David:  (((( Mary ))))  nite
 Mary:  {{{{{David}}}}} nite.

Our second chat is very sweet and romantic.  Lots of playfullness.  She
talks very breifly about her husband's return.  I do not get into that
at all.  She and I are to share only that special place in her mind.

Our third chat is very steamy.  She has us back on the beach.  She
describes in detail what it would be like.  Then she wants me to
describe in detail the back rub that I would give her using warm oils.
Then she wants me to continue...

Mary:   you know what I'm talking about
David:  Wait.  Are you talking about cyber?
Mary:   Are you a cyber virgin?  lol
David:  What are you saying?
Mary:   David, I have never done this before.  I want to do this.
Please do this.
David:  Mary, I will not allow what we have to be reduced to "Cyber"
Mary:   Please just describe that back rub you were giving me.  Such
that the oil allows your hands to glide so smoothly over my skin.  You
cannot enjoy this unless you can hear my passion in it.

I tell her no.  She begs me.  I tell her no.  She gets mad at me.  I
tell her again why not.  She returns to romance and all is well again.
I tell her to go to bed and "think about me."

Our fourth chat is filled with "Oh baby I miss you so much"  and "Oh
darling I need you so badly" etc.  hehe.  I love it.  I did the right
thing in following Ross' advice to not let her have any unless it is in
person.  No more cyber, no more phone.  Gotta be real.  I am going to
try to get this chick to visit her relatives here.  We'll see.

There were three other married women this weekend.  One of them was
local and wants to meet.  I'll post them.

David Shade

Example Problem – by ’someone’, a newsgroup poster

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Game: The house

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


PU Game: The House!



From: Brian 
Subject: New Routine: The House
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:45:53 GMT

I recently learned a new routine similar to the "4 Questions", "The
Cube", "strawberry fields" etc.  A chick at work taught this to me, and
I've used it twice with other chicks that I've flirted with.  It's a
good way to move into eliciting her values and doing more intense
question games, and it's also very simple.  I call it "The House":

Tell the chick to imagine herself standing inside a house.  As she is
standing there, 5 things are taking place which demand her immediate
attention:

1. A baby is crying.
2. The phone is ringing.
3. Somebody is knocking on the door.
4. Water is running in a sink.
5. Clothes are hanging outside to dry and it's starting to rain.

Ask the chick to tell you in which order she would take care of each of
these problems.  Once she tells you this, explain to her that her
answers represent her priorities in life, since each problem has a
specific meaning:

1. The baby represents her family.
2. The phone represents her love life.
3. The knocking on the door represents her friends.
4. The water represents money.
5. The clothes represents her career.

Is this stuff real?  Damned if I know, but every chick I've used it on
is impressed, and even if it isn't right, most chicks seem to want to
believe that it is real.  Have fun!

-- 
Brian
brianr75 AT yahoo DOT com