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Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

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> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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> Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

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A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
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>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
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"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205$9t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205$9t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

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> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
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> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
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> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
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> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

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> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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>

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
> Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com
> Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

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A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

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> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


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A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com



POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » example

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

A conversation with Mystery! Pickups

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A conversation with Mystery!

Tips on fieldwork from a pick up artist! on IRC #PUA!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Conversation with Mystery, a Pick-up Artist (PUA)

Topics Include: 

The Kiss Close
Clubbing alone
Handling guys
Being a story-teller
Preparation and format
Quality vs. quantity

Lego: Hey Mystery, what's your favorite story to close with?  How 
exactly do you transition from the telling of a story to closing?

Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three 
indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistantly at your 
jokes, leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes 
chat when you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 
degrees on a dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  
Would you like to kiss me?", right out of the blue.  She will say either 
say, "Uh - no",(which is unlikely as you don't bother performing "The 
Kiss Close" until enough indicators are present) or, "I donno" (they 
rarely say, "Yes"). "I donno" means she actually does want to but feels 
embarrassed on how to say "Yes".  So you reply, "Lets find out", then go 
in slowly and kiss her.  It's very simple and very effective.  If she 
says, "Why?", this is also a yes.  Simply reply, "It looked like you had 
something on your mind.  Would you like to kiss me?"  Wait again for 
her response.  If her response is "No" then reply, "Hey I didn't say you 
COULD.  You just had that look in your eye."

Lego: What do you do if you're interrupted? You're telling your target 
a story and she is all into it but some AFC cock-blocking idiot just 
runs up and starts screaming and yelling and you're like, "What the 
fuck?"

Mystery: Simply ask him if you can borrow his pen.  When he gives it to 
you, throw it away as you say, "Fetch."

Wakeboarder: Hahaha.  Nice!

Lego: What if he's bigger than you?

Mystery: I'd instead call him on his disruptive shit and remark, "Dude, 
what are you attempting here?"  Not good enough?  Then say, "Ladies?  
Shall we discover what adventure awaits us in another room?"

Wakeboarder: Man, none of my buds want to go to the club.

Gamer: Screw them then.

Mystery: Go alone.

Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like 
a weiner if I go to a club myself

Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  
It's weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.

Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make 
you feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you 
get there (they will become your wingmen there) and then run around 
getting #'s.  Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened 
to the concept, "The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are 
you, a mommas boy?  Do you need your hand held?  

Lego: How do you strike up conversations with guys?

Mystery: Walk up and say, "Hey dude, question for ya.  Do you know 
where a good place to score is in this city? 'Cause this place looks like a 
cock farm."

Lego: Good!  You should be able to relate to guys to disarm them.  You 
don't compete; you ELIMINATE COMPETETION.

Gamer: LOL.  Dude, the only results I've had were solo.  My friends 
psych me out too much because they never help.  Instead they just complain 
about my taking too much time.  They laugh at me or just generally piss 
me off.

Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The 
Game" alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

Lego: Damn! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Gamer: Yep.

Mystery: You wont be alone for more than five minutes once you approach 
your first set anyways.  Gamer, I suggest you call them on their shit 
at some point.  Demonstrate your alphamale characteristics.

Lego: How do you continue talking?  I mean, group set dynamics are much 
different in a one one on one approach.

Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't 
SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns 
arent as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Wakeboarder: Sweet

Lego: Actually with the story stuff I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.  They just 
follow that lead.

Wakeboarder: Well, I need to stop being a sackless wonder and grow some 
fuckin' balls then!  Hmm, story telling ...

Mystery: Here's an example.  "Ever been camping?  Well I was up in a 
forest up north and was hiking with some girlfriends of mine ... and we 
came along some trail and there was shit on the path.  My friends were 
like, "haaaa someone shit in the woods" and I said, "lets get the fuck 
out of here like NOW."  they thought I was just scared of shit and I 
said, "Girls, you dont get it.  This shit is still warm and its not human.  
Its bear shit.  This is a big fucking bear.  Look at the size of that 
turd."  Notice it's not sexual?  Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" 
right away from AFCs.  NOT talking sex with them makes them question 
whether you are interested in them.  Leave them guessing until you get 
indicators of interest from them.  If they like your great personality 
(confident, humorous, etc) they will give you subtle but distinct clues.

Gamer: How do you flow from story to story?

Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, 
its TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story 
straight into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited 
about something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must 
happen to get a girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not 
desperate.  

Gamer: Heh.

Lego: Dude, I had that going last night. You're so right.  That's an 
excellent example dude.  I was telling this story about getting harassed 
by cops or some shit.  It's a cool story but my delivery sucked and I 
was losing one of the two girls I was telling it to.  What if they fail 
to elaborate on your story?  Besides it being a bad story to begin 
with, how can you fix it on the fly?

Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  Its a good thing to have 
flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not nessessary.  
It's YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audiences job to 
listen,laugh and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 
minutes you will see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then 
phase shift abruptly into the close.

Lego: HOW DO YOU PHASE SHIFT?  I've been wondering this. While I didn't 
come off as obvious in last nights case and just told her to kiss me (I 
knew she would anyway), this could have been smoother.

Alpha: Lego, you ad libbed the close?  So working on ad libbing is 
good?

Mystery: Ad libbed material is not as accurate in closing as is 
performing the well constructed and field-tested "Kiss Close" routine.  Ad 
libbing is BONUS material but don't COUNT on it.  Have your material, like 
a good comedian, prepared before performing.  This isn't "A Night at 
the Improv" fellas.

Gamer: Heh.

Mystery: All PUs have a format; a beginning, a middle and an end.  If 
you don't know what the next routine is going to be then you may end up 
with an unfortunate pregnant pause which fucks up your pacing.  You may 
end up filling the silence with the deadly, "So ... um ... what do you 
do?"  Preparation saves face.  Afterall, with your particular close, 
she could have pulled away from your trying to kiss her.  Then what?!!  
Instead, consider engaging her in enthusiastic conversation, then go 
directly into the close.  In other words, stop her in mid-sentence and 
with a curious tone, kiss close.

Wakeboarder: cool.  Lego, what indicators clued you in that she wanted 
the kiss?

Alpha: In what way can you be prepared?  If we're talking about 
story-telling in front of a random girl we just met seconds ago in a random 
place ...

Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when 
onstage be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others 
on the fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than 
others.  Have 3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy 
performing the one you think best fits the situation will get the best 
reaction for the group you are in front of

Alpha: Gotcha now.  Can you give me a brief example of how you go about 
preparing?

Mystery: Sure.  First, find 3 openers and memorize them.  Write down a 
list of openers (just the headings of each opener to remind you).  
Next, write down some routines (the question game, the music game, the 
photo routine, the bear in the woods story, etc - all on dejanews) and then 
also memorize the kiss close and the # close.  Memorize 3 NEGs too and 
you are good to go.  With the material in your mind, you are prepared 
to work it in the field until you have the timing of the material down 
(again, just like a comedian.)

Alpha: Man, you provide some really eye-opening ideas... (just when I'm 
about to think there's nothing more to learn.

Wakeboarder: So what you're saying is have a routine set up and modify 
it to each situation? Kind of like having a PU template?

Mystery: It's ALL about format.  Know the format and stick to it.  If 
you now what the next step is in the PU, you wont feel scared.  It gets 
fun and you begin to appreciate the strategy behind it all.

Wakeboarder: Yeah like FMAC? That's a simple format.

Mystery: Yes, FMAC.  Each letter in FMAC is an abrupt phase shift.  
"FIND" means having to abruptly disturb your complacency by getting out of 
the house.  It takes effort for many people to do bother getting THIS 
FAR.  "MEET" is a HUGE abrupt change.  "There she is!  3, 2, 1, GO!"  In 
the "ATTRACT" phase, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE 
performer entertaining story-teller.  You will need A LOT of energy for 
this (enthusiasm is contagious afterall) and for many to go from 
slumping around to being in performer mode is ABRUPT.  Finally you must then 
"CLOSE"; to phase shift from humour to serious is also abrupt.  Each 
phase may FEEL awkward but it looks normal.  When a comedian finishes one 
topic and just goes into an entirely new unrelated topic, the audience 
doesn't care as long as the next topic is entertaining.

Wakeboarder: Very true.

Gamer: Cool.  I'm collecting openers and other routines off the 
layguide right now.

Alpha: Do you believe in the 80/20 'rule'?  Meaning, 80% of the quality 
women are found in 20% of the right places or connections or 
situations.

Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult 
to QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match 
these concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get 
to decide based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some 
have pleasant personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge 
her personality until she LIKES you.  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, 
ATTRACT her and THEN decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her 
personality.  Judging her by the way she treats you on your approach is 
lame because particularly beautiful women all have their bitch shields 
up and running.  They have to.  They aren't planning on fucking every 
guy that says Hi to them.  The only way to get rid of the guys is to 
oftentimes offend them quickly.  It's not personal.  It's merely a learned 
strategy.  So is the "I have a boyfriend excuse, but that's a different 
story.  I also suggest CLOSING everyone just for the education.  You 
don't actually have to CALL the girls of course.  You simply get to 
practice CLOSING too.  Getting a girls number is merely an OPTION.  You 
don't have to follow up on ALL of them you know.

Keen: Heh.

Wakeboarder: Cool, judging the girls only after you have attracted 
them.  Kind of makes you approach too!  You can't say the bull shit line, 
"She's not my type, I can tell", to get you out of approaching.

Alpha: Do you have a web page?

Mystery: No, not currently.  I'm writing a book though called The 
Mystery Method.  Most of my ramblings can be found on the layguide. 

Ascence: Hey, is it true that the older we get the more money/social 
status becomes and issue?

Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), 
it's still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting 
her.  We ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can 
we congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our 
performance?  That's OUR responsibility.  The best way is not to TELL them about 
it but rather to DEMONSTRATE it.  How?  Well, if you talk about having 
girls always falling for you for instance, it's not NEARLY as good as 
actually having a couple hot girls with you saying what a hottie you are 
infront of the target.  This is called PAWNING.

Keen: I'm going to try doing the story-telling that you talked about.  
It's really hard though. I'm a real bad storyteller.  I've been working 
on it today. that's my lesson today.

Wakeboarder: Tell them about that time you saw a fallen over manequin 
in the department store and you tripped over it.  The security guard 
thought you were trying to make it with the manequin and called you a 
little freak.

Gamer: LOL (Laughing Out Loud).

Wakeboarder: One more question for you Mystery.  What's the meaning of 
life?

Mystery: To fuck. :)

Statement of Intent (SOI)

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio introduces a key part of PU: the 'Statement of Intent' (SOI)!

From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:00:50 GMT
Subject: Find Stun Drag Fuck

G'day,

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com...
> As I've read the twelve-odd messages in this thread, I've been looking
> for something to take home with me, but I'm not finding it.
>
> Rio, how do you do things differently now, based on what you've said?

First thing would be to think about the close. Mystery knows his group work
perfect from how I read it, and I have been using his methods to great
success social-proof wise.

The BIG thing that clocked in my head was the need to STATE YOUR INTENTIONS
to the chick within the first minute of meeting her. I will make that my
rule from now on - as with the 3 second rule.
By this I DON'T mean "Let's fuck" or "Come to Papa baby" or any throw-away
shit like that. It has to be an honest assessment of what YOU feel capable
of doing to the chick after the "Hi" and the first round of fluff/routine
(routine preferred - something humourous). GM does this part BEAUTIFULLY,
because he does it with a sense of fun and humour - and HE KNOWS he is going
to do what he says and so does SHE!
I notice Mr. Sex states this a lot in his past posts - where AFC or shit
PUAs do approaches and talk to the chick, but never get to the point AND the
bitch can tell that the guys want to fuck but are too pussy to go for it.
Ross says something to the tune of "And maybe we could really get to like
each other" when he closes in HTGTWYDIB. I also recall that TokyoPUA did a
statement of intentions on that chick he PUed at night once who was
initially scared of him. Johnny Shack does it by when he just springs dates
on women he just met.
So there's some cross references.

The proper methodological way to get to a statement of intentions part is by
pace and lead. But the point of the matter is, you have to structure the
conversation to show interest and intent VERY soon or you will stall, chick
will get bored, feel teased, and then it's C&B time. Believe me, a LOT of
C&B experience with a LOT of HOT chicks has so far has taught me this
painful lesson.
The best way to put it is in the most honest way possible. I cannot give you
a specific example. But the idea is to get her thinking romantically about
you VERY soon. THEN you HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAID you would do to the chick
after DDB. (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it in the
next routine after she is comfortable with this.) If you do NOT DO what you
say you will, eventually your congruence will fuck up when the chick loses
patience. Then the chick will be confused, get scared, and bolt. If this
ever happens and the guy tries to do heavy kino or try for a fuck while the
chick is in this state - It's gonna be RAPE.

In fact, on the matter of Rape. I read in Cosmo (Hey, My chick gets fucked
often and STILL reads this!) that psychologists WARN women against guys that
say "Come to my place to see my pictures" etc. when the idea is to fuck the
chick whilst your intentions aren't known to her - because it is DATE RAPE.
Thus as Maniac found out ages ago, that GROUNDWORK is the key element to
getting the chick over to fuck. That can be done through STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS - and may not necessarily happen through Kiss closes.
You must remember this - a kiss is just a kiss........

IF that works, THEN we can reward her with more conversation and more
Mystery style routines or whatever (because she is OK with our intentions
then - thus the rewards), and THEN up the ante some more with our STATEMENT
OF INTENTIONS, building on what we established before - to get her more hot
and horny than before. So you may have started on holding her hands, now you
may progress on to hugging, kissing, fucking etc. whatever seems to be the
most logical progression from her actions towards you.

Patterns, routines, psych tests, will help greatly during the chat routines
in-between statements of intentions. Those are what set us apart from the
other PUAs out there.

Eventually we get to a point where the chick is DDB, then we can get to the
Drag (you must take the woman to fuck location, or have her so into you that
she will come to you) and Fuck part (in our world of course). The Our World
routine would then be the ULTIMATE in the STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS series
which would then lead to the deal fuck closed. It is in this one that you
state your relationship expectations and put it in "Our World"

Now the method is Find, Stun, Drag, Fuck.

The point is - FUCK all this bullshit about the woman needs to be done in
the "right way" to match her values. Something tells me now that a woman
made this comment as an attempt to rationalize her unreasonable emotions.
The values she wants ALL ALONG is #1 SEX, and to a lesser extent #2 to be
taken care of after SEX. That goes for ANY woman (thus the universality of
the whole principle). When the guy comes along as does her, she will
rationalise that the guy understood exactly what she felt. That's what some
religious women mean when they beautifully say "God knew when it was the
right time for me". In reality, they KNOW DEEP DOWN they are at the mercy of
guys and what they want to do with her. To her, that is "destiny" and no
wonder so many women are suckers for fortune-telling and the like.

Eliciting is when you want to # close or coffee close and check the girl out
for relationship potential. If it's ONS - hey! ya don't need it! If you
cannot attempt a kiss to fuck close in the given situation - you will have
to # close, but not forget to state that your intentions could well get
beyond just coffee!

The other thing - "Make no excuses for desires as a man" is THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT THING (As Ross Jeffries has already said) but I had to experience
it myself to believe it. ALL of what I explained above IS USELESS in
practical application if you are trying to follow it like a script. The idea
is to GRAB that girl and NOT let her get away! ;) So guys, HOW MUCH DO YOU
WANT THAT GIRL? WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?

Also on that note. BE A FUCKING MAN. Act like a guy, and don't think that
mirroring a girl completely is going to make you attractive to her. I know
from experience that the more caveman I go with chicks who KNOW my
intentions, the more they respond sexually.
Talk to chicks as if you were telling your kid brother how to play football
properly, cause your kid brother happens to be shit at football. I
especially like the way Mr. Sex talks to us on ASF - giving pointers and
what-not. I'm sure he talks to chicks exactly the same way IRL - showing
congruence all along.

You can even get around the language barrier! I just about dragged a sexy
Jgirl in a bikini off the beach while babbling to them in English! A
language they didn't even understand! I did that enough and with a smile,
that the chick went DDB and ready to GO when I took her hand. Had it not
been for the cockblock!
Somebody must have taught the "Iranian from hell" this shit!

The way I think about it is much like caveman sex. You see the hot chick,
you bang her on the head with your club, you take her to your cave, you root
her. Thus :- Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Just a bit more aggressive than Find Meet Attract Close, but that's the best
way I could describe what this ugly-as-fuck PUA was doing.

These were the attitudes that I had when I was only just starting to pull
women at incredible speeds while on holiday.

The other point is on Objection handling in regards to the STATEMENT OF
INTENTIONS. What I learned from the PUA I met, is that you fight chick
bullshit with your own bullshit - with a slightly authoritive tone (no need
to REALLY get pissed).
For example :- The chicks said "We have to get to our car" and were ready to
leave
The Playboy said "You can't leave anyway because the gates are closed" even
though the gates aren't closed.
Thus this covers handling chick bullshit - on the phone as well as in real
life.
And one chick on another seduction board I read often typed something to the
tune that she wants to be with a guy that can bullshit his way into her
pants.

So there you go. Find Stun Drag Fuck.
Stun is the hardest.

> There are reasons why most of us step through seduction so gingerly.
> We know that saying or doing one wrong thing can blow up the seduction.
> As far as I can tell, letting her know you intend to fuck her before
> you fuck her is one of those things.  Another reason is that women
> won't tell you when they're ready to fuck.

But DDB does tell all!
That single most common fuckup is what is called LACK OF CONGRUENCE
(definition courtesy of Mr. Sex). Just like when I called that chick I met
yesterday "my friend" in front of her. Doing that is a sign of weakness.
Chicks can get away with having words out of congruence with their actions,
but guys CANNOT.

> You say that when you "lead girls on" and tease them too much, you look
> easy and they hate you.  But this insight doesn't make it any easier to
> recognize when you're "leading them on".  The window between when a
> woman is receptive to a close and when you've stalled her is short, and
> spotting it seems to be harder than superstring theory.  The answer
> seems to be to make hundreds of approaches, and very slowly improve
> through experience.

Well you have body language and other subtle pointers. Plus we are adding
all the time to our STATEMENT OF INTENTIONS in order to find a barrier and
cut off point. I don't doubt that noticing DDB when you have the intuition
becomes easier.

  The one concrete thing I get out of your post is
> that next time two HBs want a foursome with you and your LTR, you'll be
> more likely to recognize it.  Or maybe the situation will be different
> enough that you won't.

I fucked that up because I KNOW those chicks wanted me to go with them, and
I over-teased them and didn't capitulate and then state my intentions to
have a foursome. They would have been up for it!
That's when the Playboy showed up to show me the shit, and then beat me
hands-down in a round of THE GAME. ;)

> You also said, "Now I realise more than fucking EVER what a chick
> wants. She wants a guy to go and GET her, make her feel wanted, and
> then have the shit fucked out of her!"  But you agreed with another
> poster that you can't just walk up to a woman and say "Let's fuck."
> So what's your new insight here?

It's a no-brainer. Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction (after the
earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in not objecting, he
went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the Drag phase if they were DDB.
You cannot start the seduction with a statement of intention that skips the
buildup - unless the chick is THAT FUCKING HORNY and shameless.
Chicks want to know that you care about them as human beings and not just
sex objects. Thus neutral conversation gets smattered in between, and the
final statement of intentions clearly shows what his intentions are so SHE
KNOWS that you care about her feelings - in that way.

The Playboy I met even went to see a chick he had a threesome with the next
day (cause she was feeling a bit alone). This guy was no cheap "Player"
(which he pointed out in his great Our world styled close routine on this
9). You could tell he cared enough too.

> Have you figure out a better way to know when a woman is ready to
> be closed?  Or a faster way to get her to want to fuck?  Or a way to
> let her know your intentions without scaring her off?  What's the
> difference between your approach now and your approach before you went
> to Guam?  It sounds like you feel you understand things better than
> you did before, but I can't figure out what the new understanding is.

Well, now you have your answer.
Mind you, I'm only getting the framework now that I sit down and try and
explain what I am now doing. This shit became automatic when I had the whole
experience of witnessing this guy and learning from him.

Any questions or comments? Fire away....

Rio
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
References:  <90eati$gpt@nnrp1.deja.com> <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com> <90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com>
Subject: Re: Find Stun Drag Fuck

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:04:46 GMT

Jonathan Ashton  wrote in message
news:90i82p$iao@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <63JW5.205t1.56373@nnrp.gol.com>,
>   "Rio"  wrote:
> > Well, now you have your answer.
>
> Yeah, I understand much better now.  Thanks for writing it down.
>
> > Any questions or comments? Fire away....
>
> So I get the abstract idea now:  Make some sort of Statement Of
> Intentions (SOI) to a woman relatively early, and then act congruently
> with it.

More or less, that's it.
The thing is, after dropping routines - get to it or the chick gets confused
and drops out.
Mystery had the right idea with his routines and intros. BUT if you fail to
State your intentions - you can stall things and stale her out. Then it will
be your fault when it appears that the routines don't work! They may have
worked, but she has given up on you as a partner already. You teased too
much.

> Like most people, though, I don't really understand any abstract idea
> until I've seen two or three concrete examples; i.e. HOW to make that
> SOI.

Ross Jeffries has already covered how to do this with his NLP pacing and
leading. I'm just giving a name to the end result of doing that (SOI -
Statement of Intention).

SOIs are SO important to women. They want to know where they stand. Women
you are with and haven't SOIed will think to themselves :- "What am I to
him"?
With my LTR which I sloppily SOIed, she annoyed me for ages if I was her
boyfriend or not. I hadn't said, and was therefore walking thin ice.
That drove her NUTS.

Now, I guess I could show you some fake examples of stuff that you could
launch into your PU - but the reason why I'm not going to do that is because
if ANYBODY creates a list of them - we're going to get the problem that AFC
men ALREADY have with PU Lines. That is, throwing meaningless words into a
conversation and then not being able to back them up.
Either that, or we will develop a single street pickup routine which men
will use the world over with great success before women cotton on to it.
When it comes to SOI, DIY (damn all these acronymns!).

An example of SOI is what I said to the chick I tried to PU on the weekend.
I paced it to the point where we are talking about where we lived, and I
found out that she lived close. Then I said "That's good, so we can get
together really easy and have some fun then."
If she had been far away - no problem "That's too bad. I'll have to travel
far to get together with you and have fun"
If she lives on Mars - no problem "Wow! You live out there! I'll have to
build a rocket to come and see you after you go back there!"

So there you go. Who needs to be excessively GM?

> You gave the example of GM style.  Yep, GM makes a pretty clear SOI.
> I don't think a "recovering nice guy" like me could do GM congruently,
> though.

I have done it once successfully and it Suuure works. But yes, it's hard to
work things up to that because you skip a lot of buildup steps. The flirting
has to take place in a sexual level rather than a much safer level. That is
risky.
That's what I mean when by saying "Let's Fuck" you run the risk of having to
flirt at such a high level where you can fuck up easily. Not that it's
impossible of course.
NEGs (which I forgot to mention before) help especially in the
objection,flirt phase. This phase is like the part where the dog chases
after the bitch to try and fuck her, and the bitch keeps running. The thrill
of the chase!

> You mention TokyoPUA and Johnny Shack references, but it would take
> a lot of searching/guessing to find the specific examples you have in
> mind.  And I don't understand your Ross example - "And maybe we could
> really get to like each other" sounds like a pretty vague SOI; maybe
> I'd understand what you mean if I knew the context?

Search for stuff on the archived layguide for stuff about Johnny Shack. He
also has an online book. Ross has his old free book around the place. Search
Formhandle for TokyoPUA's posts.
By the way, I even went as far as reading ALL of Mystery's decent posts as
well.

> The only example of an SOI I see in your posts is this one from Guam
> PUA:
>
> > As for going for the fuck close? Forget your sexual accelerators.
> > This guy said the whole shit in plain English - and I saw him say
> > this all to to a chick. He basically said that he was a playboy, but
> > not a pickup artist (to frame the idea that he won't fuck and dump),
> > and that when he had sex with the chick (Framing it as if it's going
> > to happen) that she should just enjoy it for fun and not worry about
> > it too much because it's just their private thing (our world style
> > routine), and that he was not an easy guy in reality - that he was
> > quite selective in who he chooses for sex (so he doesn't look like a
> > meat-market man).
> > He said all this straight faced to a chick, and while I was watching
> > the chick he did this on - she was trancing out and playing with her
> > hair. It was totally evil.
>
> So my questions...
>
> Have you ever done a SOI to kiss a girl and not had her object?  If so,
> what did you say?  Have you ever done a SOI to fuck a girl and not had
> her object?  If so, what did you say?  Hell, do you remember the exact
> words of any SOI you've ever said?

I gave you an example above of an SOI above (where I told the chick that we
would hang out in the future). No doubt we can refine the whole shit a lot
better in the future.
And yes. I think everyone at some stage has done an SOI, or the body
language has been good enough to get her into that zone where she KNOWS
maybe at 70% where your intentions are, with or without any routines to help
snag the chick, and the chick has put up some token resistance. The purpose
of the resistance of course, is to set the scene for the chase you know will
end in a fuck if you can just reel the bitch in. You will eventually do it
as long as you have remained congruent throughout.

> What other kinds of SOIs would you use in the buildup?  Tell her you're
> going to give her a neck massage?  (I'm sure that question sounds
> clueless; but I really think the meat is in the details.)

Well pace it:-
"Have you ever felt like having a neck massage? I think you need one, so
I'll give you one"
Sometimes the more direct your SOIs are, the harder she will force you to
keep pushing them.
So let's say the chick flirts and says "Why do you want to? I don't need
one!"
So we have to SOI her again in the second sentence in this example :- "Well
you haven't had one of my massages that can make you feel good all over. Now
relax....."

The idea is to trap the chick at all costs with your intentions that you can
carry out - until she can't get away.
Even "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" "No I can't!" "Yes you can!" fights - if
that's what it comes down to - can win you the day if you persist and not
let her win! Verbal arguments can always be solved with kino - cause you as
the guy are STRONGER. I don't mean hit her, but mauling is OK as long as she
is enjoying it! ;)

Persistance is VERY important. Of course, you may want to dump the chick
after the fuck if she doesn't drop the shit because she is too much work to
obtain sex from in the long run. Just give her an ultimatum "Cut the shit or
you will be lonely!"

At the same time, you can get trapped if you say an SOI that you can't
possibly keep. So watch what you promise to do!
Saying shit like "I'm going to buy you a Rolls Royce!" when she KNOWS you
can't afford it is an extreme example of a shit SOI. There goes your trust
and congruency with that one.

> And as for one other comment you made:
>
> > (E.g. If you want to start things off gently by holding her hand,
> > tell her a scene where want to be holding her hand - and then do it
> > in the next routine after she is comfortable with this.)
>
> You mean you tell her a story about some guy you know who held some
> girl's hand?  Or what?  Methinks I really don't understand here.

You can do that to get her thinking about holding someone's hand - and once
she is feeling it, you may be able to slip in the kino and get away with it.
At least, your chances will be better.

> > Is sex ALL you bringing to the table? That's why he
> > coupled GM styled intention pointers further into the seduction
> > (after the earlier G-rated ones), and then when they succeeded in
> > not objecting, he went to Mystery routines as a reward OR to the
> > Drag phase if they were DDB.
>
> I would LOVE to see these SOIs written down.

Done as above. But make your own!
I re-explained the "Let's Fuck" problem a bit better above as well.

> So here's my deal:  I want to see more examples of SOIs so I can take
> them apart, because I really suspect that the exact wording is crucial.
>
> For example:
>
> GM gets away with his SOIs because they're exaggerated to absurdity,
> and thus they're both funny and unlikely (at least as stated).
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she
> doesn't slap him.

I think it's more of a case of the GM SOIs that fail, he can write them off
as being jokes. That keeps him on track and congruent.
BUT the risk of failure is very high if he doesn't cover his tracks.

> Guam PUA gets away with his SOI (quoted above) because he's talking
> about chicks in general, and not overtly about the particular chick.
> This puts a little distance between the SOI and the girl, so she's
> not pressured to make a decision right then.

This is the all important point. With some SOIs (and especially with
ambiguities in NLP) the SOIs are not in your face, BUT they are vague enough
to get the point across and then judge for a positive reaction from her or
not. However, the vagueness is simply a shot from 50 metres as opposed to a
shot from point-blank. Just make sure you hit the target.
The danger with point-blank SOIs is they are risky in so far as if you say a
dumb one you can't,won't, or don't want to carry out like "I'm going to take
you on holiday!" as opposed to an NLP shot from 50 metres which describes a
holiday and builds on it. "Have you ever been on holiday with someone
special?....."

> Am I on the right track here?  Are there other ways to word SOIs that
> get around direct resistance?  More examples would be appreciated.

You should check out patterning, but remember, a shot from point-blank is
better than 50 metres. The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight
line. There are pros and cons of both styles of course.
You can take the short path across the dangerous ravine, or the long path
around it.

> I gotta say, this whole idea of SOIs is new to me.  Maybe other PUAs
> in this group have been using them without ever realizing/stating the
> importance of them?

I just gave a name to it. People have done this stuff before and I'm just
giving it a name to help explain what I'm doing.

And no, Ray can't trademark this either and claim it's his. We have
discussed why this is enough on ASF. He's filtered anyway and I can't see
his verbal shit.

> Thanks,
> Ash

Thanks for the questions. They help challenge me in trying to explain myself
better.

Rio

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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:15:23 GMT

Maniac,

I came up with the SOI concept after studying what the Guam Playboy did to
chicks. I wish I could have spent longer down there to learn more off this
guy. Oh well, I just need to save up to go again.

SOI (Statements of intention/interest) were comments that the Guam Playboy
made a lot (I assume you read my report on that place - It's nanpa
paradise!). What he did then was control the flirting that followed after
baiting her with a show of interest. He did this by offering a challenge -
when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines, talking about
parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he did
another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
direct. ;)

Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain to the
posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time. He could
even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn it into
a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for this guy.

But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's uptight
self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities, physical
light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people, etc. The
Playboy used plenty of variations.

Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of reach of
the target. Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull it out
again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then take it
out again........ Mindfucking!
Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
mindfucked.

I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she lived and
then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see you.
It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"
(Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in this)
She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a matter
of metres away.

The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-

- Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good things
about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful tour
guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big on
logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good thing), he
just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what he was
doing. I had to observe.
- SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the chick
(paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions going
and her ideas racing. I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out initially when
I wouldn't get to the point.
"What do you look for in guys?" would be sufficient enough as a question to
hint at what you are after (as you have found out yourself Maniac). Starting
off on a topic about guys and relationships usually brings chicks out, but
asking "Do you have a BF?" sucks.
This Ross Jeffries inspired SOI "The more you laugh, the more you'll be
attracted to interesting people......now with me" is an ambiguous SOI.
- Before she could knock him down for any comment, he would then be a
challenge and say something like "I'm not easy", "we don't know each other
well enough yet", "but what would I know, right? ;)","I need to feel passion
first", "Yeah, you know what I'm saying". These basically FORCE the chick to
continue the flirting (initiated by the SOI) along the lines that HE wanted
(and the lines that chicks SAY they want!).
By saying that he "needed time" and "not being easy", the chick already
attracted to him would then come onto him.

Most of the time the chicks would laugh becuase they'd get stuck for a smart
comeback. And he just kept this up, alternating back to party and fun
routines, until he got to the "sex-SOI-Our World-But I'm no sleaze"routine
which would then DDB the target to fuck - or get her ready for it next time
they met.
Negative commands also work great here to spark challenge. Just like I did
with my now LJBF ex-LTR "I'm not going to fuck you".

I've noted in my past failures (too many to count) that when I have dropped
SOI hints - the chicks have taken the flirting into areas which were
impossible for me to control - fucking me up and making me look stupid.
Especially in clubs where chicks do this like child's play to anyone who
"hits" on them. They use their irrational chick logic to fuck themselves
(and you) up. If that happens, your PU is history.
We can't give the women control, especially not in flirting, because they
aren't the ones that are trying to do PU. It's their job as "virtuous" women
to try and get away from PU, or try to fuck our PU up.

Svengali also said in his MLTR theory something which rings home on this. He
said (and I quote):-

"Seventh: If you don't give a woman something to be pissed about every
now and then, she'll find something on her own, and that will be harder
to get out of (because it will be of her making and criteria, not
yours)."

That is also the point of what we should be doing in flirting. To trap the
chick into going along with what your flirting and accepting your advances
(by means of non-objection) while getting her horny at the same time. That
way we avoid snappy comebacks because you've already "Handled her objections
before they came up" (That's something I learnt as a salesman)
This causes the chick to have her token resistance stall out - and puts us
in control.
GM does this with his sex jokes, but he slams any possible retort with "Just
Kidding" thus the chick can't say anything and the flirting goes by GMs
rules and not hers.

Take Mystery's "Nice nails" NEG for example.
He starts off with an SOI "Nice nails". This in and of itself is a
compliment. If he stopped here, the chick would come back (if she were a
bitch) with some smart ass comment to get rid of Mystery.

BUT, he then puts up the CHALLENGE before she gets a chance to reply (like
GM with "Just kidding"). Seemingly innocent too. "Are they real?"

Now the chick is stuck. What's going on? He's complimented me, and now he's
knocking me down! What is he doing? I must stick around for this! What can I
say? Maybe I'll just laugh it off...!? er..?
(Note, some REAL bitches when stalled will look angry at you and say "Huh?"
to which it's GM to the rescue! with "Hide your pleasure!")

So, couple this kind of flirting with lots of things to get her feeling
horny (patterns, sex talk, whatever), and add lots of personality conveying
things thrown in for good measure - and the chick is sufficiently stunned -
and ready for the drag and fuck stage.

Oh, and the Guam Playboy is an ugly fucker. Kipp's seen the pictures.
Looks don't matter for shit. I have great respect for all the older PUAs.

I must get up to Tokyo to see you guys real soon. The inaka sucks.
We can experiment with this some more then. I've been getting rusty since I
got back from Guam.
What I do know is that when this guy's method does work, it is KILLER. We
get Mr. Smooth status and KCs like crazy.

Rio
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Dictate the flirting

 wrote in message news:91f5e8$dpn@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Re: SOI's
>
> Rio..
>
> You are on to something big here..
> This is a discovery!
> I will incorporate this.
>
> Please give more specific examples though. I get
> what you are saying, but not yet really how you would
> apply it. .
>
>
> Fucking excellent thread!
>
>
> Maniac
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>
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From: "Rio" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More on SOIs
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:17:41 GMT

THIS IS RIO TYPING IN CAPS. I'M NOT YELLING!

Comments in text below.
After New years, I WILL be ready, and we will hit
the streets.

GREAT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING MUCH PU UNTIL YESTERDAY (1 SOLID # FROM A 9 AND
A KC FROM ANOTHER 9) - THUS THIS POST AS I TEST OUT MY THEORY. I HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME ALONG. HE'S ALREADY BRIEFED AND VERY
EXPERIENCED IN SCREWING WOMEN IN JAPAN. HE'S READ THE PICKUP GUIDE ALREADY.
HE'S EVEN BEEN SO KIND TO INTRODUCE ME TO SOME WOMEN WHO WANT MERCY FUCKS.
HE ALSO KNOWS SOME GOOD "hole in the wall" PLACES AROUND RAPPONGI WITH LOTS
OF WOMEN (SO HE SAYS).

BTW, Rio; re: 'nomad' player.. mine was fucked up, returned
it for an exchange, new one works..

IT'S SURE BEATS A TAPE RECORDER, DOESN'T IT?

First, this is brilliant material, it is going on the
website, and is core to successful PU I think. It IS what
smooth was doing.. I couldnt identify it, but now it has
been named, and described, I recognize this.. and yes, it
will be TOTALLY lethal..

THANKS. EVERY SUCCESSFUL PUA HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS (OF ONE
STYLE OR ANOTHER) TO BED WOMEN. I WENT OUT AND USED THIS FRAME YESTERDAY
WITH INTERESTING AND POSITIVE RESULTS.....

HOWEVER, I MUST SAY IT'S HARD TO GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES UNLESS THEY ARE
SITUATIONALLY BASED. FOLLOWING THE LOGIC HOWEVER, AND USING IT GIVEN THE
SITUATION STILL BRING RESULTS. I WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN
DOING WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHAT EXACTLY THE GUAM
GUY SAID. (I ONLY RECORDED A SMALL SAMPLE OF OUR CHAT WITH MY MP3 PLAYER.
NONE OF HIS NANPA HOWEVER) WHAT I DO KNOW, IS THAT HE FOLLOWED THIS
STRUCTURE WHICH I HAVE DESCRIBED TO VERY SOME GOOD EFFECTS.

I ASSUME YOU READ MY ORIGINAL STORY ON THE GUAM TRIP.
IF SO, MY REPLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

In article ,
  "Rio"  wrote:
> He did this by offering a challenge -
> when he finished doing that once he went back to fun routines,
talking about

Examples? ?

OK, HE MADE SOME KIND OF COMPLIMENT OR SUGGESTED SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY
(OFTENTIMES WITH SEXUAL OR ROMANTIC UNDERTONES) THAT THEY COULD DO TOGETHER.
(LIKE HANG TIGHT TO EACH OTHER OF THE JET POWERED BANANA BOAT) AND THEN
FOLLOWED THAT WITH A REASON WHY HE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DOING IT. KINDA LIKE
IN SALES, A SALESMAN WOULD SAY "FOR ONE DAY ONLY SALE", WELL HE WAS LIKE "SO
YOU SHOW UP AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A
GOOD TIME AND I'LL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE" (a takeaway)
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FLIRTING, THE CHICK WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP. HE
WOULD THEN (AFTER HAVING COMPLETED A SOI ROUTINE) SIT BACK AND WATCH THE
CHICK FOLLOW THROUGH. HE WOULD OFTENTIMES BE ABLE TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION
WITHOUT STALLING - AND MIDWAY HE WOULD SOI HER AGAIN AND DO THE SAME ROUTINE
WITH SOMETHING ELSE. I NEVER SAW HIM GET IT ON WITHIN 20 MINUTES, BUT I SAW
WHAT HE DID TO THE CHICK WITH THIS ROUTINE AND I COULD TELL THAT HE COULD
HAVE IF HE WANTED TO. HE DIDN'T LOOK DESPERATE AT ALL.

> parties on the island, jokes, sex personality tests, etc. before he
did
> another SOI - staring out as indirect and ambiguous, before being VERY
> direct. ;)

Examples ? ?

THIS GUY HAD A STRONG ELEMENT OF GM. THE SEX PERSONALITY TEST IS DOCUMENTED
IN MY POST ON THIS GUY (IT'S ABOUT ICE CREAM) - BUT AFTERWARDS UNLIKE GM, NO
COMMENT OF "JUST KIDDING". HE WOULD THEN SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO DISTRACT
ATTENTION OR PLAY "PRETEND AFC" LIKE "BUT I'M NOT EASY" OR "BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU THAT WELL"
ALL THE MEANWHILE, GETTING THE CHICK HORNY AND CREATING A CHALLENGE.

> Basically what I think I have come up with, through trying to explain
to the
> posters that asked me about him, is a flirting construction kit.

Examples ? ?

MANIAC, YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERUSE CUT AND PASTE LIKE NYC WHEN HE RIPS APART
AFCS WITH THESE "EXAMPLES??" COMMENTS.........

(QUOTE NYC)
"YOU ARE BEING USED. SHE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHE DOESN'T INTEND
TO FUCK YOU. SHE IS FUCKING OTHER MEN THAT SHE FINDS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER INTERNATIONAL WHORING. STOP."

HA HA HA ;)

> The Guam Playboy NEGged a LOT - and he got away with it every time.

Such as ? ?

WISH I COULD REMEMBER NOW. BUT WHAT I DID SEE IS HIM COMPLIMENTING LOTS OF
JAP CHICKS AND NOT GETTING ANY NASTY REACTION BACK FROM THEM - BECAUSE THEY
WERE SO SHY AND INEXPERIENCED. SO THE CHICKS JUST LAUGHED BECAUSE THEY HAD
NO BITCH SHIELD OF ANY TYPE.
WHERE HE DID ENCOUNTER A SHIELD, HE WOULD ATTACK HER "NASTY" PERSONALITY -
AND HER LACK OF ABILITY TO BE GRACEFUL WITH COMPLIMENTS.

IN THAT SENSE, HE WOULD ALWAYS SIZE THE CHICK UP AS IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR
LTR POTENTIAL (but we know of course, that LTR was never the plan)

He could
> even tell chicks AFC things like they were beautiful, and then turn
it into
> a NEG if he wanted. That's what over 20 years of daily PU did for
this guy.

Examples ? ?

"YOU'RE REALLY CUTE....(pause to check response)... BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. (SAID NEGATIVELY OR NOT DEPENDING ON HER RESPONSE). SO
WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY?"

> But the NEG is only one kind of flirting (used for dumping a girl's
uptight
> self image). There are other kinds, such as using ambiguities,
physical
> light-handed slapping and pushing kino, playing tricks on people,
etc.

Such as ? ?

I'VE STOPPED USING KINO IMMIDIATELY NOW, AND SAVING IT FOR WHEN I'VE LANDED
AN SOI ROUTINE AND CAUGHT THE CHICK OUT. WHEN SHE HAS LAUGHED, I SLAP HER
GENTLY.
IT'S ANCHORING.

AS FOR TRICKS ON PEOPLE.... STUPID ONES. I WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU THEM IN
PERSON.

The
> Playboy used plenty of variations.

Like what ? ?

GIVEN THE SITUATION, HE WOULD TRY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET HER THINKING
ROMANTICALLY ABOUT BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. HE WOULD USE WHATEVER WAS IN HIS
SURROUNDINGS, OR THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, TO PACE AND LEAD THE CHICK INTO
IMAGINING SUCH A SCENARIO.
THEN HE WOULD YANK IT AWAY BY GIVING SOME KIND OF EXCUSE (LIKE HE WAS BUSY,
HE DIDN'T THINK SHE COULD DO IT) OR HE WOULD PLAY AFC (I DON'T KNOW YOU, I
NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST, I'M NOT EASY, I'M NOT A PLAYER, I NEED TIME, I AM
REALLY PICKY, I HAVE BEEN HURT BEFORE, I HAVE A GF)

> Flirting is this:- One drops the SOI, and then pulls it away out of
reach of
> the target.

For example ? ?

I REALLY FEEL VERY CLOSE TO YOU, BUT I NEED TIME.

THE MAGIC WORD IS but

 Then gives another SOI, and then pulls it away again. Like with
> our words, we put images of sex and romance in their heads, then pull
it out

Like ? ?

HIS BRAVEST SOI WAS THE ONE WHERE HE SAID STRAIGHT OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO
FUCK A CHICK. I WITNESSED THE WHOLE THING. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO FUCK
HER but (AND THEN HE WENT PRETEND AFC) I'M VERY PICKY, I'M NOT A PUA
BECAUSE THOSE GUYS TEASE WOMEN WITH BULLSHIT, MAKE EMPTY PROMISES, FUCK
THEM, AND THEN DUMP THEM. I AM A PLAYBOY. I LOVE WOMEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU
TO GET TOO ATTACHED TO ME AFTER WE HAVE SEX.

> again, then out it in, then take it out, then put it back in, then
take it
> out again........ Mindfucking!

Example please . .

OK, ANOTHER ONE:-   I WANT TO KISS YOU, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE
KISSING.
(btw - this would be an SOI fairly advanced in conversation)
NOTE ALSO THAT THERE'S AN EMBEDDED COMMAND IN THE 2ND PART OF THE ROUTINE.
THAT BEING "YOU LIKE KISSING"
EVIL ISN'T IT?

> Once the chick is confused and teased enough, she is DDB and safely
> mindfucked.

how? describe this. . what exactly did he do?

WELL, THE CHICK THAT HE SAID THE "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU" SPEECH TO, JUST
STARTED DOING ALL THE TRADEMARK BODYLANGUAGE. SHE JUST SAT THERE STUNNED
AND PLAYED WITH HER HAIR. LIKE A RABBIT LOOKING INTO BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE GUAM
GUY SAID ALL OF IT WITH A SERIOUS FACE TOO, SO SHE COULDN'T LAUGH OFF WHAT
HE WAS SAYING.

THE WAY HE WORKED DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ONE OF "ATTRACTION" PER SE. HE WOULD
EVENTUALLY CORNER THE CHICK AND FLIRT WITH HER UNTIL SHE COULD TAKE NO MORE.
UNTIL SHE GOT STUNNED

> I did a PU once on a chick using the SOIs. I found out where she
lived and
> then said "Oh that's not far from my place, so I can come down to see
you.
> It's a pity I am so busy it won't happen today"

This is good. .

THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE WHOLE THEORY IS ABOUT. MORE
IMPORTANTLY IS THAT IT WORKED.

> (Note that there is a bit of future pacing and presuppositioning in
this)
> She lapped it up and took my kino from there - despite the BF being a
matter
> of metres away.
>
> The structure for the Guam Playboy routine went like this:-
>
> - Fun routine or opener (ala Mystery) - some basic fluff - all good
things
> about himself, what he could do for the women (he played the helpful
tour

Examples ? ?

READ SOME OF MYSTERY'S OPENERS!
TYPICALLY OFF THE WALL STUFF. WELL, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT GUAM'S CULTURE
AND PARTIES AND STUFF - FOR ALL THE TOURISTS, ALL THIS NEW INFO TO THEM IS
PRETTY OFF THE WALL.
HE WOULD TELL THE CHICKS ABOUT SOME PARTY WHERE THEY WOULD DIG A HUGE PIT
AND THROW ANIMALS ON IT IN A BIG FEAST WITH A BONFIRE AND DANCING - AND THEN
BRANCHED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DANCING AND OTHER EXOTIC/EROTIC STUFF.

> guide). Be "Disgustingly" Charming! as he put it. The guy wasn't big
on

Like ? ?

THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS. HE RELIED ON GM A LOT IN THE LATTER PART OF HIS
SEDUCTIONS.

> logically drawing out routines for what he did (which is a good
thing), he
> just went and DID this.... thus he couldn't really explain to me what
he was
> doing. I had to observe.

Yep, he's got experience.. I rarely consciously follow ManiacPlan
anymore.. just it spews out naturally.. learning PU is like learning
a foreign language/lingo.. once you get it, its natural..

I'VE BEEN LEARNING TO PLAY AFC IN MY SEDUCTIONS, AND IT HAS BEEN WORKING
REALLY WELL!

> - SOI. He said something that hinted that he was interested in the
chick
> (paced and lead from his opener conversation). This got her emotions
going

Example?  How?

OK, ANOTHER ONE.

"WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER OVER COFFEE? IT'S SUCH A PITY I
HAVE TO GO TO SOME MEETINGS LATER ON, SO WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO TIME TO
SEE EACH OTHER EVER AGAIN BEFORE YOU GO BACK."
(WAIT FOR RESPONSE)
"BUT LET ME KNOW YOUR NUMBER ANYWAY...WHO KNOWS I MAY HAVE TIME."
(might want to save this one after you have dropped several other
SOIs)

> and her ideas racing.

Like what? which ideas? be specific please. .

ROMATIC AND/OR SEXUAL ONES.
HE WOULD START OFF ON ROMANTIC ONES AND MAKE THEM INCREASINGLY SEXUAL UNTIL
HE HIT A SEXUAL FANTASY OF HERS THAT WOULD DDB HER.
LET'S SAY "HOLDING HANDS" OR "SPENDING QUALITY TIME TOGETHER" OR "BEING
CLOSE" AND EVENTUALLY LEADING THAT INTO "TOUCHING BODIES" AND "KISSING" TO
"FUCKING" OBVIOUSLY.
A LOT OF TIME DISTORTION SOIs.

> I have found this CRITICAL if the chick is going to
> stay interested in you for too long. I bored many chicks out
initially when
> I wouldn't get to the point.
[rest deleted]

Rio, this is great stuff. Somehow I understand it.. but I need
examples of it so I can put it together as something I can try
in the field. Do you remember any specifics from this guy?

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE OFF-SEASON AND GO TO GUAM WITH A VCR AND
MEET THIS GUY (YOU'LL ONLY NEED ABOUT 40,000 YEN FROM TOKYO FOR A 2 DAY
TRIP) OR NEXT TIME WE MEET IN TOKYO WE CAN DO MORE STREET STUFF AND I CAN
SHOW YOU WHAT I KNOW. (I HADN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THE THEORY UNTIL AFTER MY
NIGHT OUT WITH KIPP - I OQed TOO MUCH AND FAILED TO PLACE ANY CHALLENGES
AFTER MY SOIs THAT NIGHT)
THE GUAM PLAYBOY WAS A GRANDMASTER OF STREET PU - HIS WEAKNESS WAS THAT HE
WAS A GREEDY TEAMPLAYER WITH WINGMEN.

If so, please fill in the above spaces where I ask.. it is very
important if this is to work.

Rio
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Using SOI’s as a way to tease/attract chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Using SOI's (statements of intent) as a tease to attract a chick!


From: Jonathan Ashton 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Clearing SOI's up
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT

In article ,
> For example, if we were to drop an SOI on the chick, and then
> IMMEDIATELY follow up with a negative command - WE control the
> flirting so that the chick then has to work for US.
>
> So we can say things like "I want to kiss you"
> And then control the flirting by pulling away again with some reverse
> commands :-
> "BUT I don't really know anything about you, and I haven't known you
> for very long, and I need to feel love first"
> Sounds like the stuff that chicks tell us, right? Well chicks say it
> to flirt, as opposed to meaning what they say!

Omigod!  Rio, this is an awesome post!  Brilliant!  Genius!

"I was thinking about kissing you, but you'd probably slobber too
  much."
"I'd love to take you home, but I know you'd get all clingy."
"I'm just trying to guess if you're any good in bed.  Too bad you're
  too young/weird/conservative for me."
"I bet you'd love the way I do neck massages.  You've been acting up
  too much to deserve one, though."

This is so EASY!  Anyone can think these up on the spot!  There's no
need to think up ambiguous sentences or come up with just the right
innuendo.  Just make a Statement of Intentions, then let her know what
SHE has to offer to make it happen - by telling her that you won't do
it because she's not up to par!  I love it!  I will try it out ASAP!

Howcome I've never seen this idea explained before?  In retrospect,
it's clear that MrSex4uNYC and Mystery do similar stuff, but I've
never seen the dynamic explained this way before.  Ross talks about
setting challenges, but it's always seemed like such a delicate art
to say just the right thing at just the right time.

But this is so easy!  Thank you, Rio.

Ash


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Before you buy.

Chicks who want you to get to the point!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More reason for a 'statement of intent', chicks also want to
cut the bullshit!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:03:52 GMT

Being obvious you are open to (but not necc. want) sex!
001206

Sometimes chicks also are interested in easy sex. (yes, we
already know that). Here is an example though. .

I was debriefing karatebabe, and asking her why she decided
to have sex with me that time she came over to my place.

She said that I had made it obvious that I was looking for
sex, and she hadnt had sex for a long while. She didn't want
all the bullshit that comes before a guy having sex (dates
and shit), because to her (get this!) she says that if a
guy doesn't make it obvious he wants to fuck her, then she
thinks he isnt interested in sex at all (in other words,
chick logic, she is thinking that guys think the same way
girls do, which of course we know is not true!).

This is probably crucial in bar PUs.. (which I am
currently working on, and making a framework for)
make it look like you are offering sex, but not necc.
just want that only (or if you do, already qualify
that that is only what the girl wants (sex w/o dating bullshit
first). .ie, it is a favor for the RIGHT girl, if she measures
up.

And that is today's wisdom from karatebabe!

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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Game: Orchestra, Road of Life, Cube, Favorite Animal

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Book_guy introduces PU games!
Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




--

Book Guy
book_guy at yahoo dot com
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun 
Tzu

Game: The Cube

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Explanation of 'The Cube' game.
(see book 'Secrets of the Cube' for more details)

From: Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Gimmick: The Cube (was Re: More like "4 questions" game?)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:09:12 GMT

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:04:24 GMT, maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:

>Entropi,
>
>This is an excellent post, I have ordered the book, but it
>will take 8 weeks to get here, I want to try it before then so
>in the meantime, I dont really understand it completely.. what
>do you say about the horse, flowers..etc.. can you go into a more
>detailed interpretation of how to read each item that the chick
>is to imagine (location, size, color..whatever).. its just not yet
>clear to me how to make this game work.
>
>if you could post more details about it, that would be awesome, at
>least enough so that I can try to get the game to work at at least
>a basic level for all the items with a chick.
>
>Thanks;
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

Hi, Maniac. I have attached below many examples of the interpretations
I came up with, including some real examples. They may be different
from what the books will say, but should serve our purposes allright.
I hope they are sufficiently explanatory as far as giving an idea of
how to interpret the woman's imagined pictures in th exercise. They
are attached to this message so that anyone interested in saving them
doesn't have to save multiple messages.

By the way thanks for the excellent material you have posted recently,
as well as your website. Your site has greatly contributed to my
liberation from bondage in AFC-land.

Cheers,
E.

>In article <3a03a8bf.575614652@news.bu.edu>,
>  Entropi19@my-deja.com (Entropi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:13 GMT, book_guy@yahoo.com (Book Guy) wrote:
>>
>> >More games material:
>> >
>> >check out the "Cube." It's a mind-game like these 4-questions to
>> >get to know yourself. Annie Gottlieb, _Secrets of the Cube: the
>> >ancient visualization game that blah blah _
>> >
>> >Imagine you're in a desert, imagine you see a cube, imagine
>> >there's a ladder. Etc.
>> >
>> >If anyone has  a copy of this, could he please post a brief
>> >summary of all the points?
>>
>> I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze
>> them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very
>> efficient. Very much fun too.
>>
>> After prepping her ("are you sure you want this? you might learn
>> things about yourself you never knew...") here is how I run it.  The
>> questions should not be very sprcific-- she should imagine all the
>> details. (WARNING: If you plan to run the Cube on yourself, either DO
>> IT NOW or don;t read any further!!! Once you know the details, you
>> might not be able to use it on yourself.)
>>
>> "Okay Debbie, I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three
>> things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you
>> to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in
>> fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think
>> that'll help."
>>
>> "In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it
>> made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"
>>
>> "Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many
>> rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"
>>
>> "Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they
>> located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"
>>
>> "And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What
>> size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in
>> relation to the earlier three things?"
>>
>> "And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in
>> relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it
>> proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"
>>
>> INTERPRETATION:
>>
>> The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
>> The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
>> The Flowers: ...Children
>> The Horse: ...Her lover
>> The Storm: ...Troubles in life.
>>
>> It is usually easy to interpret the details. For example, a cube
>> resting nicely on the sand and of neither too tiny nor too huge size
>> shows a person with a good sense of proportion about their place in
>> the world. A huge cube => egomaniac. A tiny cube => feels
>> insignificant; low self-worth. A buried cube => overwhelmed.
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> The book is a quick read and you may be able to read up most of the
>> crucial details in the bookstore itself. The gist of the book is as
>> above.

Okay, here's more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

NOTE: Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.

There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle\
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers 
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face

Game: Snakes, Shapes

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POS-Andrew presents PU games: the 'snake' game, and 'shapes' game!



From: POS-Andrew 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:55:13 GMT



Here's a game from "The ABCs Of Handwriting Analysis", by Claude
Santoy, ISBN# 1-56924-889-3, starting on page 168.

You'll need a paper and pen.

Ask the girl to draw a snake.

There are 3 configurations of a "snake" that has proven to mean
something in terms of female sexuality and you're trying to determine
if there is a match.

A horizontal wavy snake
-average libido

A horizontal straight snake without any curves.
-no libido;no interest in sex

A snake that is vertically configured and has 3-4 curves.
-strong libido; possibly homosexual tendencies; fantasy

Many times there won't be a match and the "snake" is meaningless.  But
that can lead to a conversation about their sexuality.  For example, if
her "snake" is a horizontal snake that looks straight, but has a little
curves, you can just tell her that she has no libido.  Then, she'll
have to prove to you that she does ;-)

Another example on how to use this is that many women also draw a
tongue on their snakes.  Although the drawings in the book doesn't
mention anything about what a tongue means, you can give the girl some
ideas.

You: "I noticed you also added a tongue on your snake."

Girl:" What does that mean?"

You: "I don't know.  The book doesn't mention anything about that.  One
can only speculate what a TONGUE ON A SNAKE means." (shrug)

You guys can probably come up with more uses with this snake drawing
trick.

Note: I usually have a rumpled copy of the drawings from the book
tucked away in my wallet so the girl can be assured that I didn't just
make it all up.  The idea is that I want to reinforce the fact that she
likes sex or that she needs to prove that she is not a frigid loser.



Here's another drawing game you can use for value elicitation from the
same book.

Show the girl a triangle, square and a circle.

Have her construct a human being using these only these 3 symbols.
They can be any size and repeated as often as she wants or even symbols
omitted.

This drawing determines a person's sexual, manual, or technical and
intellectual tendencies.

TRIANGLE
Represents sexuality.

SQUARE
Represents materialism and technical and manual ability.

CIRCLE
Represents imagination and intellectual ability.

After she draws the human being using those 3 symbols, count the number
of times she uses each symbol and see which one predominates.

Triangle Predominates
-a sensual and sexual person.

Squares Predominates
-a materialistic, manual or technically inclined person.

Circles Predominates
-a sensitive, intellectual person.

This way, you'll have a better idea of what her values are and one can
use a more fitting pattern.

Again, I usually have a rumpled copy of the page right out of the book
to show the girl what it means.  That way, it's not my opinion, it's
that author's expert opinion.

POS-Andrew

Social Proof Report! A screambabe Sequel!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
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This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com