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Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Maniac Highhttp://www.pickupguide.com]

Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

OK, every now and then I get around to posting a lay report, but without some
prodding from Formhandle I wouldn't have posted this, so thank him if you get
some good info out of it. This particular one happened on a recent business trip
to Japan. Strattera price, Im calling this a Lay Report/Tutorial. This is a new format I think that we
should all try to report in to make things more helpful to guys who need to
learn. Believe me, it will help you learn too when you write your reports this
way and you go over what you did and piece together the things that made it
successful, Buy Strattera No Prescription. Then you will be less likely to forget the flashes of genius you had
and make sure you incorporate them into your technique again later on.

So to start with, even before you read the report, here is a breakdown of the
things/techniques that made this successful: (This is the format I am talking
about that makes it a tutorial, as well as the way I break everything down in
report itself):

Keys to the Lay:

Tactics-lost foreigner routine (approach appears innocent)-set her at ease-romance frame-lack of "leaning", I was always in control and qualifying her-kino and anchoring her positive responses with kino-"kino anchored motion inducement" or KAMI, see report for explanation-suspense building (not telling her what kind of book I had for her to read)-built in sexual imagery from book-coincidence frame (same day off, buy Strattera online cod, her station is near mine, she lives close to
the hotel, I had been wanting to talk Japanese again, etc.)-pre suppositions (that we have already decided to go to the hotel, etc.)-gradual buildup of requests (leading). Building on consistency principle, once
she has said yes to email, Buy no prescription Strattera online, its not so hard to say yes to meeting later. Once she
has said yes to meeting later, its not so hard to say yes to meeting now. Buy Strattera No Prescription, Once
she agrees to meet now, its not so hard to agree to drop by the hotel. Once she
is at the hotel its not so hard to just stay there. Once she has decided to stay
with me at the hotel, its not so hard to rationalize that she really is there
cause she likes me and wouldn't really be adverse to sex, etc.

Physical:-I was wearing a business suit. This gives a kind of Cialdini authority and in
Japan I have always had really good reactions from women when wearing a suit, rx free Strattera. In
Asia in general, I think you are going to get good reactions from women when
wearing a suit, Buy Strattera No Prescription.
-She knew I was staying at a nice hotel.

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

This is one of the fastest lays I have ever pulled off in Japan. And it all
happened over the course of only one hour, and when I was least expecting it, in
fact I wasn't out on the prowl, I was just returning from a long day of work. I
have found that some of my best work comes when I have the least intent to try
to pick women up. Buy Strattera No Prescription, It happens when Im just going about my life and see something
that stirs a desire in me and I just go to work. Strattera over the counter, My 2 hour lay of the 20 year
old Japanese girl in Boston was the same way (you can read that post by
searching for TPUA in the mASF archive here, it was posted in December of 2001 I
think).

Anyway, it was about 11 PM and I was transferring between one subway to another
for the last leg of my trip back to my hotel. I knew where I was going, but the
guys in our rep company in Japan had been so kind as to write a little map for
me with station names on a napkin while we had been at dinner. Little did they
know that I was going to use it to get myself laid that night.

As I was walking I saw a Japanese girl (she was 25 years old, 8.5 on my scale)
with a fine body and nice hair in front of me, Buy Strattera No Prescription. She was wearing a skirt that was
just transparent enough for me to make out that she was wearing G-string
panties. I decided I had to have that tonight, buy Strattera online no prescription, and instantly thought of using
the napkin as an opener about being lost. I knew at this time of night I needed
something initially innocent, and this was perfect.

So I just walked faster to catch up to her, pulled along side her, smiled, and
said in English "Can you tell me where this is?" pointing to the subway name
on the napkin. Buy Strattera No Prescription, Of course it helped that I knew that was where she was going
anyway because of the direction she was walking. Buy Strattera without a prescription, She reacted in a really
confused but generally helpful manner, seeming totally unable to speak English,
but pointing me in the right direction.

Here I remembered something from the recent Double Your Dating seminar in LA
with David DeAngelo (which was excellent BTW, recommended regardless of your
level. Jay and I will be writing up a review of this soon on the site. In the
meantime, you can also find links on the site to read reviews and buy his Ebook)
about leaning and pulling away. So instead of continuing the PU, I said thanks,
smiled, and pulled ahead of her on the escalators, Buy Strattera No Prescription. Of course I knew she would be
behind me so I already had it planned to ask her again which side of the tracks, order Strattera no prescription,
but I wanted her curiosity to be peaked, and I also wanted to pull away to make
her think my intentions were 100% pure.

I waited until she came to a stop and fortunately it was on the side I had to go
anyway, so I knew I would have a little more time to work it in the train, if I
could get "the first 30 seconds" as Formhandle always calls it. I asked which
side of the tracks I needed to wait on in order to get to my hotel. This told
her that I was in a nice hotel nearby just in case she might be open to a little
adventure. Buy Strattera No Prescription, Anyway, I got the reply "it's the same way Im going", then I
started asking her basic questions in English like "do you speak English?",
etc. Buy Strattera in canada, She answered with a little more English than before and seemed to warm up a
little, smiling more often. At some point I also found out that she lives alone,
not sure if it was here or later.

Anyway, I just went into speaking a little Japanese, confided to her that I used
to live in Japan, but that I was on a business trip, just trying to get back to
my hotel, purchase Strattera online. I found out that she worked at a clothes store nearby, etc. I find out
that she is one station beyond me, and I remark that its coincidental, she
agrees and smiles, I anchor by touching her arm near her elbow, Buy Strattera No Prescription. After some basic
fluff like this, I say actually I am trying to practice my Japanese again, and
that its nice to have run into her and had a chance to practice. I joke that I
can teach her English too. I say Im serious about improving my Japanese and that
I even bought a Japanese PDA to help me practice. Order Strattera from mexican pharmacy, Here I pull out the Sony Clie
I bought and show it to her. Buy Strattera No Prescription, Then I use it to get her contact information. It
just flows naturally since I can also show her that she is the first entry ( I
had accidentally wiped all my data a few days before), it just looks like I am
trying to learn how to use it. First I get her email, then I say, "while you
are at it, why don't you put your cell number in there too?" Of course she
just goes along with this, since she already gave me her email.

The train comes, buy cheapest Strattera, we get on together. At this point I know I don't have much
more than 5 minutes before my stop, so I am eliciting availability, not values.
I say "its really nice and coincidental meeting you like this." She agrees and
smiles, Buy Strattera No Prescription.
ME: "I have to leave tomorrow, but it would be nice if we could get together
before then. What are you doing tomorrow?"HER: "Nothing, Online buy Strattera without a prescription, its my day off."ME: "Great, we should do something then"HER: "OK".
ME: "Sounds good!" I touch her arm again where I have been touching her often
when she was laughing, etc., firing off the positive anchor.
At this point I have got one key concession, its time to push for another
because we are close to my station. Buy Strattera No Prescription, ME: "Actually, tonight might be a better time since Im still not sure of my
flight time tomorrow. We could go somewhere around here and talk for awhile. We
both wont have to get up too early, buy generic Strattera, so that should be OK, right?"HER: (somewhat hesitantly) "OK"ME: "So I can call you once we both get home, and we can figure it out"Now this is not what I want to happen (she would get home and question her
judgements and turn off her phone, etc.), but again, I am leading the situation,
and getting gradual agreement to everything I say. Australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal, Now I go in for the kill,
this is the crucial point. I have to get her to go with me now, and to get off
with me at my stop. I wait till we hear the announcement before my stop, Buy Strattera No Prescription.
ME: "But wait, Im not sure about?c" Im implying that something will go wrong
with this plan by my tone of voice. "Look, it's a little crazy, but lets get
off here for a second and discuss this more" She is hesitant, buy cheap Strattera no rx, but I smile, and
as the doors open I touch her where I have been anchoring her elbow, but I also
apply a light pressure to get her moving out the door. This kind of thing is so
powerful I will give it an acronym: KAMI (Kino Anchor Motion Inducment). It is a
real killer, I use it all the time in situations where I need to get the woman
to act against her hesitation instincts. Buy Strattera No Prescription, It's a sort of break state that causes
her to unconsciously and naturally move in the direction of the I want her to in
much the same way a child would when following the gentle pull of a parents
hand. It combines the positive anchor and pleasant sensations to make it all the
more likely to succeed. Where can i find Strattera online, I use it to get women into taxis with me, etc., its
gold. Think of it as a gentle nudge in the right direction J

So once we are out on the subway platform, I say "Look, here is what I think we
should do. I know it's a lot to ask, but I just have about 30 minutes of work
that I have to do. I have to call the US, but if you don't mind waiting while I
do that, then we can go have our drink, Buy Strattera No Prescription. In the meantime, Strattera samples, I will give you a
simple English book to read, its really interesting!"

At this point she is standing on the platform, and she is hearing in essense:
"I plan to take you back to my hotel but Im going to have to work, then we will
leave" This probably hit at her vanity a little, "Why would he take me back
and just work. I wonder if he finds me attractive. Will he make a move?" So I
further the suspense a bit by then saying, Order Strattera, "Hmmm, actually the book is a little
bit embarrassing though now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn't show it to
you. Do you have an open mind?" This also had the dual effect of presupposing
that she has already said yes to coming, now its just a question of whether she
has an open mind enough to read some book that might have some questionable
content. Buy Strattera No Prescription, Im smiling all the while and looking at her a little skeptically. (This
part was something I was unconsciously incorporating form some excellent
material I had just heard at the Double Your Dating Seminar. David had talking
about asking women if they are single while looking at them with a sort of
skeptical look. Its all about a frame he talks about a lot where you are
qualifying them, not the other way around.) Anyway, Strattera from canadian pharmacy, she says yes, she does have
an open mind, and I start us walking in the direction of the hotel while saying
"OK, but I wont tell you the name of the book until we get there". Again, this
is working on her curiousity, etc. while simultaneously getting her moving where
I want to go, Buy Strattera No Prescription. Online buying Strattera, Since she is presently more interested in figuring out what I am
talking about, her resistance is lessened and she just goes along with the whole
presupposed idea that we have already mutually to go to the hotel together.
Since Im smiling and the whole mood is light, no warning bells go off in her
head. She has a "mental escape hatch" too in that she can excuse her own
actions later because I gave her all kinds of good and juicy reasons to go to
the hotel that weren't sex related.

So at this point, it's a 5 minute walk to the hotel. Buy Strattera No Prescription, The hardest part of the PU
is behind me, and now Im into a familiar mode that we can call PLRM "Pre Lay
Relaxation Mode". Basically you just have to be very natural about everything
you say and do on the way to the lay venue. There is this point in any same day
lay as you go from the decision point to your place that could get awkward if
she suddenly changes her mind, where can i buy cheapest Strattera online. I usually comment on the surroundings a bit. In
this case I was telling her about the huge soccer ball in the lobby of the
hotel, and how there are so many foreigners there to see the world cup, but how
its too bad all I do is work so I couldn't see the world cup, but that I
thought she would like the huge soccer ball, and that oh yeah, you will love the
interior of my room, Where can i buy Strattera online, they just redecorated all the rooms in the hotel, and its
got a cool flat panel display for a TV, and since you strike me as the
"romantic type" (setting a frame for later) you are going to love the view
from the room of the city lights, etc. etc, Buy Strattera No Prescription.

All this keeps her mind busy so she cant talk herself out of anything, cause I
am always engaging her attention. In Japanese this is especially effective
because the listener is always called on to be polite and constantly respond at
the appropriate times with head nods, "uh huh" and "yes" equivalents, etc, buy Strattera no prescription.

So with enough of this we arrive at my room. I act totally relaxed, offer her to
sit down, and get her a drink of her choice. Buy Strattera No Prescription, She gets beer, I get water. I hand
her the book "1001 Sex Secrets Every Man Should Know". It's a small
pocketbook with really simple one or two sentence "secrets" that are just
comments from women about what they like or don't like sexually. Its easy to
understand and she laughs a little, Strattera pharmacy, but goes ahead and reads while I set up my
computer. I engage her here and there so she doesn't feel ignored. Then before
the call, I sit by her and ask if she has found any favorite ideas, Buy Strattera No Prescription. She says no,
I tell her it is her job to find some good ones while I call the US. Then I
"happen" to notice she has small hands, and compare my hand size to hers. This
gets good kino, it's a standard routine of mine. Then I tell her I will read
her palm, purchase Strattera online no prescription. Buy Strattera No Prescription, I almost never do this cause I have no idea how to read palms, but I
simply look at her palm and start laughing.
HER: "What?"ME: "Well, the length of this line means?c" more laughing.
HER: "What, tell me?"ME: "Well, it means that you really enjoy sex. That is true, right?" I am
shaking my head up and down while I say this in the affirmative. Where can i order Strattera without prescription, HER: (a little bashfully) "Well, yes?c"ME: That's OK, cause of course I do too. And Im just joking, I don't know what
that line means, but I could tell that you just really enjoy sex, Buy Strattera No Prescription. Anyway, find
your favorite sexual thing to do, then show me after I get off this call."

I figure this reading all about sex, then the talk about sex and the touching
has got her for sure, now I am fractionating and building the suspense. I call
my boss in the US, Strattera for sale, discuss business for 20 minutes, then hang up and get to
"work".

ME: "Did you find one yet?"HER: "A few"ME: "Wait, you can tell me later. But I also can tell that you are a romantic
type as I said before, am I right?" I have never had a girl tell me "no" to
this one yet, so she of course is no different. Buy Strattera No Prescription, Plus I have already planted this
suggesting earlier on the way to the hotel, so its sure fire. Order Strattera online c.o.d, HER: "Yes?c"ME: "OK, go stand by the window"She goes to stand by the window, I go turn off all the lights and come over to
her. I touch her arm at the anchor, then nudge her closer to the window and
stand behind her and have her look at the city lights. I talk about movie scenes
with foreign actors, etc. and how they always kiss, etc, buy Strattera from mexico. at this point, Buy Strattera No Prescription.

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

I go in for the kiss, no resistance, she kisses back damn passionately for a
Japanese girl. The rest is simple, I lead her to the bed, get her on top of me
grinding and lift up her dress so I can finally get my hands on that G-string
and everything else I want for the rest of the sleepless night. She thanked me
later for giving her what translates into English as "the ultimate night" J

So there you have it, start to lay a one hour seduction, with 20 minutes of real
work in between. While most of you probably wont ever be in Japan, you can
picture yourself in my shoes, saying the same types of things to any woman,
imagining similar success. Go back over the "Keys to the Lay" part and review
the pieces that made it successful. There is some underlying structure there
that can help anyone be more successful with women, I hope it helps all of you
who read it.

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » emailn5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com
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All Rights Reserved

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Doing a dance floor ‘Kino’ pickup!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
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Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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> Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>

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From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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> Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Game: Color gamen5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0c$2jv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
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well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

Buy Strattera No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Strattera No Prescription, [TPUA does a subway PU.

Maniac Highhttp://www.pickupguide.com]

Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Opener routines for use in various situationsn5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com
Maniac High Copyright 2001
All Rights Reserved

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
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TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

http://www.pickupguide.com

If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

---


General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

Buy Strattera No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Strattera No Prescription, [TPUA does a subway PU.

Maniac Highhttp://www.pickupguide.com]

Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Buy Strattera No Prescriptionn5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com
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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Strattera No Prescription, [TPUA does a subway PU.

Maniac Highhttp://www.pickupguide.com]

Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

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*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

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STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
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TRAIN:

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Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

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Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

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Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com
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All Rights Reserved

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around $150) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

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*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

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STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

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Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

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Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

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Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
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All Rights Reserved

Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

----------------------
STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
--------------------------
TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
-----
Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
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Using negative commands to get a chick to do something

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
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Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
> --
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

---
*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

---
Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

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STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
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TRAIN:

---
Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

---
Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com
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All Rights Reserved

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060$0n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at: Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com




Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
Organization: @Home Network Canada
Xref: news-f.iadfw.net alt.seduction.fast:62646

well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
news:Q63M3.7144$%62.122399@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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>

Game: Color game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Color Game that can be used in PU!
[Maniac note: got this other list below from the 'Secrets of the cube book'
Also very good, may be appropriate when doing this game:

Red: passion, hot energy, anger warmth
Green: hope, life, nature, money
Blue: spirituality, serenity, cool energy, sadness
Purple: royalty, deep passions, mourning
Yellow: cheerfulness, brightness, eccentricity
Pink: feminity, wamrth
Brown: earthyness, warmth, conventionality
Black: mystery
White: purity
Multicolored: of many interests or moods

END: Maniac note]

From: steviewonder 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More personality tests
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:17 GMT

In article <904e0cjv@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  maniac_high@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is good stuff on that site.
>
> I am reworking it to be more appropriate in opener type
> PU's in bars/coffee shops, will present my results of this
> work in late January after it has all been designed and
> field tested.. It will be killer..

Hi guys,

Found this game at

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/8546/colortest.html

a good one since all the answers are sexual:

QUESTION:

Pick the color that best describes your personality?

ANSWERS:

BLACK
Black color preferences point to black sex. These people are the
misfits of the sex world and seek each other in kinship. They tend to
prefer perverted sex, and are usually masochistic or sadistic in
nature. They are moody and often perform at their peak when under
stress or during unhappy times. Police psychologists claim that many
sex offenders prefer the color black. And it is no coincidence that
the uniform of mobsters and teenaged gangs is black.

BLUE
Lovers of blue are wonderful sex partners. They are sincere,
affectionate, and sensitive to their partner's needs. They consider
lovemaking a fine art, and their approach is elegant. Men who love
blue are like concert pianists; delicately ravaging their partner like
they would play a baby grand. Women in the blue category enjoy sex
to the fullest. They are exciting partners, but their passion might be
compared to tidal waves, rather than fiery aggresion. Both blue men
and women enjoy foreplay and the aftermath of lovemaking as much
as the act. In marriages, a blue person is a wonderful mate, never
failing to please the spouse and never seeking outside interests.

BROWN
For lovers of brown, sex is a 24-hour a day thing. They tend to say "I
love you" often enough. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or
catching snowflakes on their tongue ins a turn-on to a lover of brown.
They need lots of time and privacy to make love. But their emotions
are such that one harsh word could end an affair.

GREEN
Those who prefer green are fresh and innocent in their approach to
sex. Women who love green will make love like virgins all their life.
And a man may also be a trifle clumsy and awkward, but in a charming
and endearing sort of way. Green lovers are gentle, but not
passionate. If chosen as a mate, one will never need to worry about
infidelity.

GREY
The color grey is preferred by people who are indecisive. They can't
get excited about anything - including colors - so they choose a
noncommittal shade. Men who prefer grey look at sex as a means of
relieving tension - nothing more nothing less. It's "wham, bam, thank
you ma'am". Women don't make love, they have intercourse. They
count the cracks in the bedroom plaster until the sex act is over with
and done. When a grey marries another grey, the marriage is not
exactly erotic.

ORANGE
Lovers of the color orange lean toward sexual fantasies. The sex act
is regarded as a dramatic role, a one act play in which they are the
star. Foreplay is as important as the act of love. They whisper sweet
nothings, meaningless dialogue they feel fits their image. Orange
people often do not experience orgasm - but they put on a damn good
act. Men tend to pull their partner's hair and women tend to leave
welts on their sex partner's back!

PINK
Persons who like pink show a reluctance to mature in sexual matters.
Women tend to tease; to promise more than they intend to deliver. In
some cases, they flaunt their femininity, but only because they
secretly hate men. A great percentage of prostitutes boast entire
wardrobes in pink. Men who like pink are the type who make 3 dates
for the same evening and not keep them, preferring to pick up a dish
in some bar instead.

PURPLE
Lovers of purple frequently consider themselves too regal for  fun
romp in the sack. Women sometimes are the type who hate to muss
their hair. Men are businesslike in their approach to lovemaking. In
both sexes, purple partners are more concerned with their
fulfillment then anyone else's gratification.

RED
People who like red tend to be tigers in the sack. They are easily
aroused and enjoy sex in every way imaginable. Once the sexual spark
is lit, it may take hours to extinguish. When two reds get together,
the ensuing erotica would make Lady Chatterly blush. Lovers of red
tend to be the aggressors and weaker colors should beware!

YELLOW
If you tend to favor yellow, your sexual drives are complex and lean
toward the adaptable. The favorite color of homosexuals is yellow!
But don't panic - not everyone who wears yellow is homosexual. In
most cases the person will accommodate to the stronger partner's
desires in a passive manner. You will never enjoy sex to the fullest,
but you will never turn down an invitation from someone you enjoy or
admire.

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Opener routines for use in various situations

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

-->Openers for use in various situations!

A work in progress, Maniac High



Copyright 2002, by Maniac High and the MH Group.
All rights reserved, this document, nor any portions can be
posted/reproduced without expressed written permission.

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If you are in Tokyo, send me a note..
maniac_high@pickupguide.com

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General tips:
-When no EC/back turned to you/totally no attention to start with, best to open with a howto question, to get the EC, 
 then move on to EC section
  -Do you know where is xxx (Wendies/Sbux)/how to xxx (use phone email)
  -Do you have xxx (a pen, paper)

-If EC, a more general 'friends' question is good
  -How was your day
  -What did you do today
  -How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
  -Where did you get that bag/dress

-Idea is to find something (anything) in common with current situation, and swith talking to nMP topics so that
 PU can start. Linking to travel is a nice interim way to do it!
ie:
-her phone -->phones in England-->Travel-->nMP
-her clothes style/body shape-->like latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her purse-->Italy-->Travel-->nmp
-how was her day-->her hairstyle-->Italian/latin girls-->Travel-->nMP
-her coffee-->coffee in Italy (ever have)-->Travel-->nMP

Situations:

GENERIC:
*Any EC
-(sarcastic frienly Mr. Lager 'Hello, and cynical smile/up eyebrows)
-what did you do today/how was your day?
-I like your hairstyle.
  -It makes you look relaxed.
  -What did you do today?
-nMP

FASTFOOD/RESTAURANTS:

---
*I am already Sitting in sbux/fastfood, chick comes by and sits down, no clues/standouts but get EC
-Hello (at time of EC)
-are you waiting for a friend/are you with someone? (bluto protection)
-Your hairstyle is really nice
 -it is like my italian friend
  -you ever go to italy, europe?
-What did you do today?
-How was your day
-How are the fries/coffee/cookies today?
-you ever have coffee in Italy?
-You ever go abroad?
-(nMP)

---
*I am sitting at sbux/fastfood already, hb sits down near you, no EC
-you have a pen?
-you know how to use this phone?
-So how was your day
  c: uh..huh? what?
  -Well, you look really serious/smiling, so I thought I would ask how is your day
  -(nMP)
-Do you speak English?
  -So how was your day?
  -Well you look like you were shopping, so what did you buy today?
  -(nMP)
-do you go to the gym
  -I saw someone like you at my gym (xax)
    -where do you go?
    -you are in good condition, so how do you stay in such good condition?
    -(nMP)
-are you a dancer
  -you looked like someone I saw
  -so do you go to the gym/exercise then, as your condition looks good
  -what kind of clothes style you like?
  -what is your favorite color?
  -you believe astrology?
  -(nMP)
-excuse me, but where did you get that dress/hat
  -my sister in italy has one, you ever go to italy?
  -(nMP)
-(prop), astrology guide
  -do yuou believe in astrology?
  -it says that I will meet someone new today, can you believe these things?
  -once it happened, and I met my last gf on the plane
  -where did you meet your bf?
  -(nMP)

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*Generic opener in coffeeshop/fastfood, chick sitting down next to me, EC or not..
-so what did you do today?
-how was your day?
-you have nice atmosphere, and seem like very relaxed person
-(nMP)

--
*chick sitting down, I am walking by her in fastfood/coffeeshop
-(before walk by, scope out target, chose item from this guide, then approach)
  -as walking by,
  -stop and remark immediately about hair/dress/bag when she is/how is the coffee/how is her book
   before sitting down.. this will look very natural.. (rather than sitting, then talking)
  -can I sit down?
  -(nMP)
--
*chick(s) sitting down/in line with you..etc, EC or not, but with wing, start to 
talk about chicks clothes next to you, then open her
-nice dress/like my sister 
 -where did you get it
 -what color you like?
 -where you go shopping
 -you seem like natural person, eyes are warm/relaxed
 -lets be friends
 -(nMP)

--
*In FF/sbux line, HB in front of you, no EC (or anywhere chick waiting but no EC/notice)
-(tap shoulder.. no 'sumimasen'... just start)
-are you a dancer?
-you look like it
-no, did you ever do dance?
  -you look like dancer
  -ever go to salsa sudada?
  -your condition is quite good?
  -you ever go to the gym?
  -you remind me of latin girl, ever go to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You go to the gym?
  -c: yes: -m: which one?
  -c: no: -m: your body is in very good condition, you do exercise?
  -where
  -what do you do then?
  -your shape reminds me of latin girl, you evr been to greece?
  -(nMP)
-You look like you have been shopping today
  -what did you buy?
  -nMP(where/when/how often...)
-those jeans/hat look like the kind I saw in Italy last month
  -You ever go to Italy?
  -Where did you go?
  -(she will go sit down, and seperate from you)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -may I join you?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (EC/Contact)
-Do you speak english?
-What did you do today?
  -Shopping?
  -What did you buy?
  -Skirt/top looks like latin/Italian style
  -Ever go there?
  -(nMP)

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Chick in food line, short time only (no EC/Contact)
-Are you dancer?
-You ever have the ice tea here? Is it good?
  -you seem nice, thank you
  -(she will go ahead to her chair)
  -(follow her when you get your food)
  -May I sit here?
  -What did you do today?
  -I was looking for winter clothes, I will go to England on holiday
  -(nMP)

---
*Chick sitting down alone, playing with her phone (no EC/contact)
-What can you do with those phones these days?
  -You have color?
  -Games?
  -Can you show me how to use email on my phone?
  -what did you do today/are doing?
  -In england, the phones are boring
  -Ever go to England/travel?
  -(nMP)
-Which do you think tastes better, ice or herbal?
  -???

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STREET:

---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, EC/reaction
-(smile raised eyebrows and cynical, hello (mr lager))
  -(turn around and follow her if she doesn't stop)
  -just a moment
  -where is art coffee?
    -can you take me there?
    -do you have a moment?
    -what did you do today?
    -you seem very relaxed, you have a few minutes, lets tea
    -(nMP)
  -are you a dancer?
  -somehow it seems that way
  -???
  -do you go to the gym then?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
-do you go to them gym?
  -you seem very fit
  -???
  -You seem like a very relaxed person
-where did you get those jeans/top/haircut?
  -it is very stylish
  -???
-How is your day?
  -???
---
chick walking opposite way towards you on street, no EC/reaction
-where is sbux/public library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today?
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP

---
*Young girl/dumb girl:
-You are very pretty
  -I like stylish fashion
  -What is your favorite color (pick color of her clothes)

---
Chick ahead of you in street, walking same way (no EC/contact)
-where is sbux/pblic library/Mcd
  -Can you show me?
  -what did you do today
  -you seem very relaxed
  -nMP
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (not aware of you)
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-???

---
HB in store shopping around (aware of you/EC/contact)
-Do you speak english?
  -So what are you doing/looking for?
-So what is your favorite brand/style/color?
  -I am waiting for my mom/friend/co-worker
-Can you suggest some good classical music?
-Are you a dancer?
   -I saw you at studio/you are good condition
   -do you exercise?
   -you seem very confident/relaxed
   -what do your friends say about you?
-You smile well/look cheerful/relaxed, are you that kind of person?
   -???
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TRAIN:

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Chick sitting in facing you on train (no EC/contact)
-(Before you sit down, make EC)
-make EC
  -Can I sit here/join you?
  -That is a nice jacket/hairstyle, where did you get it/do it?
  -where are you going today?
  -???
-Astrology gag

---
Chick sitting is facing you on train (EC/contact)
-(see above)
-Wave (if with wing, first comment, lets see if we can get their attention)
-???
-Astrology gag
---
Chick standing someplace in train (no EC/Contact)
-???
-Today is really hot/cold/rainy
-WHat are you doing today?
-That is a nice shoes, where did you get them?
  -Do you go shopping often there?
  -I enjoy going there sometimes (always a question, then comment, then question)
  -What is your favorite style/color?
-Do you speak english
  -Did you ever live overseas?
  -Your clothes style looks that way..

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Chick standing someplace in train (EC/Contact)
-(same as Mcd lineup patterns)
  -nMP

Chick standing facing you in train, you sitting
-??? (going to be very hard I think, unless I get up and then come back)? not sure?

---
HB next to you on the bus
-(same as train above)
  -nMP
--
GP nightclub chick
-(tap tap: That is nice hair)
-you are pretty, you have nice eyes
  -I would be honored to shake your hand!
  -You have nice style
  -I like you, you are sexy and attractive
  -Do you like me?
  -you seem like relaxed fun person, what do your friends say?
  -nMP
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Stage 2 after opener:
-That looks very stylish
-you seem like relaxed person
-(nMP)

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Topic: LR and Tutorial: TokyoPUA 1 hour subway seduction Conf: Field
ReportsFrom: Tokyopua tokyopua@yahoo.comDate: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:20 AM

Keys to the Lay:

Luck:-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day

Gimmicks:-Lost foreigner routine-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers

ME: "But Im sure you haven't yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?"HER: "No"

-TokyoPUA

PU & laying a careerwoman! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac PU's and lays a careerwoman!

Subject: Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future! 
Date: 12/23/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

Lay report! Psychic babe lives (fucks!) her future!
001223

This story is a followup on that chick, Psychicbabe,
I met in London a few months ago on a business trip I
had there. (Psychicbabe believe in ESP, ghosts and
shit like that). As well, this report also shows that
the things I practice in Japan, work as well elsewhere
too (in this case, with London chicks).

I met her at a professional conference I
was attending there, and she happened to be in Tokyo this
week on business (and addtional business which I was happy
to give her ;-) ). See the ASF post (also on my website
come 1/12/2001) about how I met psychicbabe, and what
happened in London with her so far.

Psychicbabe is a very bright, good looking young lady working
in a high paid professional business job, age early 30s,
and very sexy body. I rate her a 7.5 (works too much, her face
looks stressed out, but good body). She is extremely intelligent, and very diligent, a true career woman. Alot like Ms. Kinky in
many respects actually except that Physicbabe isnt as kinky I
think (so far, but we'll see!).

The lesson I learned in this lay report, is how to recognize
a chick that is gagging for it, her cues on what to do, and
how to not fuck up what was basically, a 'given' situation.

Lets look at what I did, what happened, and what I learned
from it..

Firstly, the ManiacPlan was almost done then (1st half)
and I had already done steps BVGAD with her before leaving
back to home in Tokyo (see website for ManiacPlan). Then
I kept in touch with her over email, sending a short note
every couple days until she got here (I knew she was
planning to come her in December). I finished step 'D'
in email (age regression/5 years future), and the strawberry
game (I asked her 1 question each day), and the cube (also
1 question each day).

She likes cooking, so that is good. When setting up the
meeting, she says she wants to cook, (she really likes
cooking) and suggests to come to my place to cook supper.
That alone, tells me there is a good chance that this
chick is dying for a fuck, and is waiting for me to take
the hint.

Now a complication, is that HB Ass is staying at my place
over the holidays, so I cannot invite her over to my
place as I usually would for chicks. This is really a
problem. Now, Psychicbabe already knows I have a
GF (I told her that in London as part of the experiment
in social proof I was running, and she told me she
had a BF too). That didn't stop her from holding hands
though.

I tell her that we will go look at the Christmas
decorations set up in Ebizu (classy part of Tokyo, nice
shopping and hotel area there), and go to supper (I usually
dont go for suppers, but my feelings were telling me
that this chick had already accepted to fuck, and this
was the next best thing to coming to my place, which
she had already asked for).

I meet Psychicbabe in Ebizu, and we immediately hold
hands hands, and she is physically very close to me.
Good sign..

We decide to go for a walk (my goals now are to do
a K.C. since I didn't get a really good one in London
(I did the PU, but I dont know London, so couldnt
take her to good places where I could do this easily,
and then go on from there).

While walking around the Christmas decoration area
outside, she tells me she broke up with her BF 2
days ago (she says she got dumped for another girl).
(Maniac says maybe..maybe not.. anyways, it is a
hint, that this chick is GAME ON). Kino is still very
good.

I ask her how she feels, and she says that she is
comfortable. I tell her how it is nice that we can feel
so relaxed when we are around each other. She agrees
(chick is still game on).

I tell her that my personal life is also a mess ;-)
She questions about it, and I tell her that as I told
her in London, I have a GF, an ordinary OL (this is
HB ass, who is staying with me now). I ask her how
she feels about that. She says she is indifferent
about that and it doesnt matter, she isnt expecting
anything right now, and neither should I (good move,
chick is playing this properly as a team sport).

And not only that (here is a key point I learned!),
that if I said that I didn't have a GF, she would
be worried that something is strange about me, because
she expects a guy as good as me HAS to have a GF.

We sign up for dinner (long waits at the restaurants,
Christmas weekend), and she offers to pay everything.
That is also a 'game on' sign. We go to a bar and
hang out. She is jetlagged and sleeps on my on the
couch for 15 minutes, while I feel up her legs and
chest and hug her. That is good, this chick is sexually
motivated.

She then wonders/asks me what should we do until
the reservation in an hour. (she asks me this often,
she knows I live not too far, and is hinting at
coming to my place, which I cannot do, HB ass is there).
She then asks if I can teach her something about dance,
and where we should go (HB orange asked me the exact
same question as the hint to go to my place to fuck).
But I cannot take her.. I need to tell her about my
situation right now with HB ass.. I will do that
as the next thing..

We leave the bar and head to the restaurant at reservation
time, and I again remark how it is funny we seem to
know eahc other a long time, though it is only the
second time we meet. It is dark here, and she is bit
shaking from the cold and walking. I stop here, and
say 'you are cold' and give her a deep hug. Then I
look into her eye, and say, Merry Chistmas, hold her
chin, and give her a kiss. This becomes a french
tonguedown right away lasting a while. That is good,
so now I am sure this chick is serious, and is not
just a faker like HB Geek was.

We continue to the restaurant, each French food and
drink lots of Champange. I tell her the situation
with HB Ass at my place. She says she doesn't care,
just that she likes me because I would email her
every few days, and her BF wouldnt even do that.

Then while eating and drinking, she remarks she is
getting a bit drunk, and I will 'have to go back
to the hotel with her to make sure she gets there
OK'. She is staying in a big hotel area not far
from Ebizu.

We finish supper, and then she says 'you dont have
to take me, I am ok'. I say that I will take her.
She says 'thank you' gently, and we kiss some more.
I probably kissed her like 10 or 15 times in the
restaurant.

Among things she says in the restaurant is that
she was feeling very stressful before, but is really
calm and relaxed around me now. I ask her if she
likes me, and she says 'yes, you are my type'.
Another very good sign.

She pays the bill (around 0) and we go to the
taxi. While in the Taxi, I feel her up a bit more
(lightly) on the legs/body while holding her hand
with my other hand.

She is really sleepy, and is lying against the
door in the taxi on the way, while I feel her up.

Now I realize I have a problem, because this
chick is taking me back to her place obviously
to fuck her, but I didn't expect this (she told
me that she was staying at another hotel 1.5 hours
away from Tokyo, but it turns out she changed
hotels to the closer one (probably in case I didn't
take her to my place, she could invite me to
hers so that I could fuck her). The problem is
that I dont have any condoms, I wasn't expecting
this at all. Fuck.. So while we are riding in
the cab, I notice a convenience store near the
hotel as we are riding to it.

It turns out she is changing rooms that day
so I put her in the line, and tell her I have
to go to the bathroom, and to wait for me in
the lobby. I then RUN as fast as I fucking can
2 blocks to that convenience store, and then
back to the hotel as fast as I fucking can.

It was hilarious, I was tired, but laughing
as shit at how ridiculous this was as I was
tearing down the sidewalks with the condoms
in my hand!

I get there, and she is waiting for me in
the lobby as I asked her. She takes my hand,
and asks me why my hand are so cold? (uh oh,
she clues in something is odd.. I tell her I
was not peeing, but sitting down for a while,
so they got cold ;-) ). She accepts my bullshit
and says nothing more.

Then she tells me unfortunately the room is small
so I cannot stay overnight (buckwheat! this is her
hint that I am allowed to go to her room, and
not say goodbye in the lobby!). We head into
the elevator, I tongue her down some more,
and go up to her room on a high floor. The view
is quite good actually.

She immediately sits on the bed, while I take
off my shoes. It is now totally obvious what
she is expecting.. beyond any fucking doubt.

I tell her I need to go to the bathroom again
(since the last time I told her, I really went
to get the condoms, but now I really need to
take a leak).

I get out, and she is sitting on the bed waiting
for me (ha!). I sit down next to her, and
immediately start tonguing her down. She falls
down (pulls me down) right on the bed, and I
go for her neck, and start taking off her top.
Suck tits, she is shaking and yelping. Off stockings,
bra, and I start fingering her till she is
screaming.

Off panties, on (new) condom, and fuck.. no
resistance whatsoever from the time I got into
the room.

Funny thing is that 1/2 way through, she stops
and says she has to take a pee. I stop, and then
while she is in the bathroom, I undo the curtain
and open it in the window, so I can do an HB
ass style window fuck with her.

She comes out, and then I push her to the glass
till her tits are against it, and then fuck her
there for a while before putting her back onto
the bed to finish the job.

She is a good fuck, gets into it alot like
screambabe did.

She then tells me she wants to take a shower,
and asks me to come with her. We bathe each other,
and then she says in the shower a bit longer.
I need to get home to HB Ass (now I realize
I will never marry a chick, I hate this, and
will kick HB Ass out fairly soon) before
she complains too much (I have to set some rules
I think). I dress up while Psychicbabe is
in the shower, and then when she gets out, I
tuck her to bed, say goodnight, and then I
leave and go home.

So what did I learn from this evening?

First, in some cases at least, if you are
up front with chicks about the fact that you
fuck other chicks, they accept (and in this
case, expect) it, and dont care about it.

I also learned how to deal with tough field
situations (ie. HB ass at my place.. the
last minute bullshit story I needed to pull
to go buy the condoms..etc).

Finally, I learned again, how fucking is
a team sport. I had an easy time because
although Psychicbabe wasnt direct to say
'take me home and fuck me', she left plenty
of hints all over to make it obvious that
that is exactly what she was expecting
from me. It was just up to me to recognize
this, inquire enough about how to do this
(ie. where was she staying, what were her
circumstances..etc), get the kino and
comfort feelings going, and then get there
and do her.

Another thing, is that this chick was rebounding
from getting blown out from her BF 2 days
ago. Probably she wasn't looking for sex directly,
but rather as reassurance that she is still
a woman, can get a guy, and is capable to do
her job as a woman after her blowout. Chicks
I think are MUCH more insecure than guys,
especially in situations like this (something
I have to study more up on). Sex is just a
way for her to justify this to her self (in a
chick logic sort of way).

Constructive comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

What to do when your chick catches you with another chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



What to do when another of your chicks catches you with another chick!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:03:14 GMT

]Crisis Management Report! Containment breach captain!!
001117

{..ie. when another chick you are fucking, walks in on you and your
chick!}

In physics, there is something called a "matter-antimatter reaction".
It happens when matter contacts with antimatter, resulting in instant
enormous releases of energy, and absolute destruction and then loss
of all the matter and antimatter in the original reaction.

Well, the same thing can happen with chicks too! A chick-antichick
reaction is when you are with one chick, and all of the sudden,
another chick you are shagging makes an unexpected/unannounced
entrance on you and the first chick. The subsequent result is
usually very much like that antimatter reaction mentionned above,..
lots of energy is suddenly released, there is lots of destruction
and then the loss of both chicks results.

The solution to this of course is containment/isolation, and then
maintaining that isolation/minimizing contact if a breach
occurs.. which is the topic of tonight's field report, as this
is exactly what happened last night with screambabe (see lay
report, last week), and HBgeek, a really sexy but slightly nerdy
chick I was already well into the process (ie. deep kino had already
started) in a bar I was in last night.

Lets look at the story, and how I handled it (the story has a
happy ending BTW (well for me and HBgeek anyways, though not for
screambabe), and how I was able (so far it seems) to use the
incident to INCREASE my stature in the eyes of HBgeek.

HBgeek loves the internet (she is a web designer or something),
27, very sweet & sexy in real life (met her on the web). My fuck
up was to take her to the same place that I took screambabe
before the lay last week (a bar near some fuck hotels). I thought
it was safe, because I knew that screambabe's office, and work
were far from this place, so there was very little possibility
I would run into her (or anyone else I know) by chance there.

HBgeek and I get to the bar, and I am running the "Maniac plan"
as posted last week. We are sitting at the bar, and while I am
in stage "S" (the questions game, already into heavy kino &
handholding, however I had not yet done the KC (was only a couple
minutes away from it actually; fortunately), I get a tap on my
shoulder and turn around.

It is screambabe.. It goes like this:

Screambabe: "am I interrupting the two of you"?
Maniac: "well, yes, actually I am busy right now.."
        (I do not lose my cool, and speak in a very slow assertive
         voice, like nothing special is going on)
Screambabe: "I have been sitting in the back of the bar since you
        came in, and have seen the whole thing"
Maniac: "uh huh, so?"
Screambabe: "you didn't see me, did you?"
Maniac: "no, not at all, in fact I wasn't even looking for you.."
Screambabe: "call me tonight, will you call me tonight?" {angry}
Maniac: "yes, I can call you tonight"
Screambabe: "you better.."
Maniac: "yes I will"
Screambabe: {goes back to her seat at the back of the bar..}
Maniac: {turns to HBgeek sitting next to me at the bar, continue PU}
Maniac: "I dated that chick briefly, but stopped seeing her, though
       unfortunately, she still really likes me, as you can see"
       {social proof gambit here!}
HBGeek: Oh, I see, that is too bad for her"
Maniac: "Yes, well, things just didn't work out between us"
HBGeek: "You should have told her"
Maniac: "I did, but she just doesnt get it" {a total lie}
HBGeek: "Oh well, oh lets get more beer (we order)"
Maniac: "So where were we, oh, right, my turn for a question,
         what kind of house would you like to have if you could
         have what you want? {stage 'V' in the ManiacPlan told be
         HBgeek has golddigging tendencies so I am playing on this)

{more questions, I have stopped all sexual talk/kino.., as now I am
trying to look casual until we either finish our beer, or until
Screambabe leaves the bar, initiating more kino with screambabe
still around could be dangerous}

10 minutes pass.. {screambabe realizes that she didn't freak me
out, that I am not leaving, and her tantrum had NO effect on me at
all}

Screambabe returns to my seat, and starts pinching me (which I
ignore.. I say "hi"). Now screambabe is in a tough spot too, because
I am by the bar, and there is lots of staff around.. it looks
like she is trying to get to me, without getting attention to
herself to get in trouble. Screambabe says "call me" and gives me
a real evil look. Then she hits my shoulder, I ignore, say "talk
to you tonight". Then she hits my shoulder really hard (doesn't
hurt, but the sound of it is really loud in the bar), and she storms
out..

I turn to HBgeek and say "as I said, she really likes me, even
still".

Now I am safe, and I say again "so where were we, your turn for a
question"..question game resumes. When its my turn, I resume full
kino, and go for the KC like I did with the HB orange lay report
last week. I get the KC (kiss close). She then remarks that I
must be an attractive guy to make a girl react like that other
one did, and would I like to start a relationship (HB Geek tells
me she wants to start a relationship with me, as her question
in the question game). I say "me too", we finish our beers, and
go outside and make out.

Now I could probably have taken her to the hotel like I did
screambabe the previous time, but I was worried that screambabe
was hanging out by the hotels ready to cause more trouble, so
I decided to just arrange the fuck this coming Monday at my
place instead, which HBgeek agreed to (she wants to see my
PC's, LAN and learn how to salsa). We tonguedown some more
at the train station (its big, so screambabe cannot find us,
we go to an obscure place), and I say goodnight to HBgeek.

--

Ok, analysis time. First of all, I was lucky because screambabe
was afraid to talk to HBgeek, and only talked to me. Also, she
did not say anything about being my GF (which I would have told
her she isn't, because I have only met her twice in my life (then
anti easy girl/slut logic would have started and she wouldnt
have contested that). I was also lucky she didn't start throwing
or breaking things, but as I said there was alot of staff around,
and it was obvious she was aware of that. It was also the reason
I decided to NOT leave the bar once I knew she was there, and
rather wait it out, making it look like she didn't phase me at all,
and also avoiding something on the street, where she could have
been much more out of control. As well, to leave would have shown
I was afraid/hiding something, and supplicative.. better to stay
I figure, and make screambabe leave instead, which is what finally
happened..

I realize screambabe approached when she did, because we had
just finished (the first) drinks, and she was afraid we would
leave. Also, she was with a guy (looked like an AFC coworker
actually.. harmless), and he was getting tired of this and wanted
to go I think. He was embarrassed about how she was behaving I
think too.

Re: handling HBgeek, I thought "social proof!" and tilted
everything that way. As well, I made sure to not lose my cool,
and not make it look at all to HB geek that anything had happened
of any importance (ie. that that other girl was not important
to me, even though I was obviously important to her!). In some
way, I think this massively increased her respect of me, which
led to the "lets start a relationship" question only 5 minutes
after screambabe walked out the door.

Another thing helped alot too, which was that I was following
a script "ManiacPlan". I totally lost all my concentration each
time screambabe invaded us, but because I could remember where I
was in ManiacPlan, and had the framework memorized, I was able to
go right back to where I left off, and continue. I think this
made a real positive impression on HBgeek, that I just blew off
that other chick, and it look liked it didn't bother me AT ALL,
that I could just continue unphased in spite of what just happened
(though of course inside I was shitting that screambabe would try
something violent, but I didn't show that).

Finally, there was the issue of what screambabe was doing there
to start with. My hunch is that since she was with another guy,
that she was not really stalking me, but just liked the place I
showed her, and decided to take a friend there. To fix this, I
will rotate a few more bars in the selection between chicks,
to reduce the chances of this happening (though I suspect that
one part of the reason she went, WAS to see if I would go back
with a chick).

After saying goodnight to HBGeek and making the monday appt.
at my place, I now had to finish containing screambabe so that
she wouldn't cause anymore trouble. As with anything in
nuclear reactions, the solution is extreme amounts of power and
force.

So I wrote her an email calling her for the bullshit she
tried to pull on me, stalking me, and make her feel that this
was ALL her fault (which it really was), make her feel guilty
for it..etc (I was going to include the message sent in this
post, but seemed I didnt save it).. The goal of the message
was to prevent her from showing up at my place or something like
that and disturbing me yet again.. The note was
written alot in the theme of the Ms. Kinky email I sent when
she tried to give me bullshit about meeting other chicks.

Then, I got a reply back from screambabe today saying that
she misses me now and she would like to meet me (fat chance..).

This actually is the second time this happens to me (first
time was when HBass came knocking on my window at 1am while
I was with energizer babe once night (report in the archives),
and I handled it much the same way. I was able to keep both
chicks after for several months, and still have HB ass even
today.



Look forward to HBgeek.. she is a 9.  ;-)


The end,

Constructive comments/opinions appreciated as usual,

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

KarateBabe falls on the mat and loses it all!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com



Part 1 of a back to back two night lay report double feature!





From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!



Lay Report: Karate babe falls on the mat and loses it all!
000504

This is the first half of yet another lay report double feature, 
and is about my evening with Karatebabe, a chick who is into 
karate/kickboxing..etc. She is in her early 30s, and is hot.sexy 
looking (pic in Nathan's lounge). 

Here is the story, and what I did:
Those of you who read my field report about Brazil a couple 
months ago will remember Karatebabe. She was the J-chick 
tourist I picked up on the streets of Sao Paolo, Brazil, who 
was lonely because she went all the way to Brazil to meet a 
guy, but when she got there, he had already got another girl. 
She actually lives in Tokyo, like I do, and we kept in touch by 
email during the rest of her trip (maybe 2 or 3 mails 
exchanged).

I met her by chance on a shopping street in a Japanese area of 
Sao Paolo, and we started talking/hit it off there. Now of 
course, that wasnt entirely by chance, because I did spot her 
out easily. See, Sao Paolo is a dangerous city, like NYC, or 
places like that. So people avoid eye contact, and walk fast 
where they are going (which is what makes street PU's really 
hard in places like NYC). 

Tokyo on the otherhand, is 
absolutely safe. No poor people really in Japan, no recent 
immigrants (no immigrants at all actually),. Tokyo has the 
safety and cleanliness of the Magic Kingdom at Disney, 
which makes chicks very approachable, even at night.. they 
will make eye contact, and will talk to you.

Well, that was the thing with this chick. I was in Sao Paolo, 
and grew up in the USA, (so felt quite familiar with the way 
S.P. is), and all the cold eyes/gestures that you get in US 
cities. But this chick was walking slowly, looking all over, 
and didnt speed up to get away when she heard my footsteps 
behind her like Americans will do in a US city. it was just 
obvious that she wasnt Brazilian Asian immigrant, but really 
a J-chick from Japan. 

I followed her for a block, and then got 
ahead of her so she could see me talk Japanese to one of the 
immigrant Asian old guys in that Asian section of S.P. She 
noticeably slowed down to see me talk to him, and then after 
he couldnt understand my Japanese (his was worse than 
mine), 

I continued, and saw her giggle slightly (never see that 
in a US city ever, but in Tokyo all the time. actually, I think 
the safety problem in US urban areas is what makes street PU 
so hard there, everyone is scared shitless of getting shot or 
stabbed, which really ruins the PU atmosphere).

So I make the opener to her, ah! You are Japanese are you? 
And we start talking, where you are from (Tokyo..)..blah 
blah. I tell her I am looking for Shiatsu massage place, and if 
she knows. She doesnt, but offers to help me look, as she has 
no plans today. We spend some time looking, but cant find 
anything open, so then I tell her I am thirsty, lets go get a 
coke at one of the cafes, she says yes, and we go sit down.

I ask her why she is here, and she tells me her sad story about 
the guy. She also says she is a graphics designer, and I tell 
her about my work a bit, just so she knows I am not a freak. I 
ask her where she has been in S.P., and what to see, since I 
never been here before. I ask her phone number and email, 
and get it, as I worry she will blow off after we finish the 
soda. I get it.

Then she asks me what I am going to do next, and I say walk 
to see the market/shopping area, and some cathedrals in S.P. 
She is obviously lonely (after hearing her story), so I ask her 
to come with me to look around, and I end up spending the 
whole day with her till my flight at 9pm back down (it was 
my last day, had it not been, I WOULD have laid her right 
that night, as she was obviously fragile, and hurt by the whole 
experience with the other guy).

We spend the afternoon looking at shops, churches, and the 
tourist thing in SP. After supper, I take her hand, and we are 
walking around in the evening, to the bus station the other 
end of town. We talk about how it is hard to get good 
relationships and find the "right guy",, blah blah. I get a 
cheek kiss at the end (gesture to kiss my cheek) at the bus 
station, and I tell her to keep in touch, and I leave. Kino 
sucked because I didnt know good places to take her in S.P. 
that I could sit next to her. save that for Tokyo I figured, as 
that was my home turf and I knew all the places there.

She got back, and sent me a message, so I asked to meet her, 
she said yes. Here I fucked up a bit, and met her in the 
afternoon (I fixed this with the Nursebabe, in the next lay 
report). This was a bit of a problem, because I dont have a 
good working system yet for afternoon dates to get them 
home right away to fuck. 

So we walked around shopping 
areas in Tokyo a bit, had coffee, and talked. I knew her "hot 
buttons" were "difficulty in relationships", "what she wants", 
and feeling "rejected". I decided that I was going to play all 
this on her feelings of rejection, and get her to fuck me that 
way. 

I also played on the "fate", how we met the other side of 
the world, purely by chance, at a street intersection in Sao 
Paolo (which of course wasnt entirely true, as I played that a 
little bit to have it turn out how it did). Turns out she also 
really likes gay guys, because they are "safe" around girls and 
have nice muscles (Maniac is not gay, but I do use this later 
by talking about how gay people is a different but interesting 
culture, and very expressive to fashion and style, expecially 
ladies clothes..etc, and if she likes sexy clothes..etc (yes)).

Karatebabe is a bright and logical chick, so I play on this. She 
tells me what she is looking for in a guy (good feelings, but 
otherwise not sure), and still feels she doesn't understand 
men. Excellent, because now Maniac will give her HIS 
rules. 

I pulled a lot of stuff from this NG, and was VERY 
cutting (since she was already afraid, and rejected feeling, I 
knew she would be open to radical ideas). I told her that in 
relationships, the girl has to sometimes take the lead when 
she wants something (not true, but I want this to be as easy as 
possible for me), and that the guy will not always "state" what 
he wants (though in this case I will). 

I also told her that in relationships, lots of girls like to jerk 
guys around, and that guys often blow chicks out when they 
do this (might as well pour it on I figure!). She told me that 
the S.P. guy said he really wanted to see her, but wouldnt 
touch her ..etc. from her description, it sounds like S.P. guy 
was a classical AFC, and afraid to make any moves, which is 
why it fucked up. 

I told her how relationships are a team 
sport, and how communications happens at all levels (ie. did 
YOU touch him?. of course no..), eye contact, touching, 
tonality, and not just words.. I told her also how me as a guy, 
I expect a chick to take the chance when she is given one, and 
not jerk the guy around too much, or I move to the next chick. 

During this whole talk, I really poured on the kino, shoulder, 
legs, each time I said something to her, I touched her 
someplace. I could do this, because the coffeeshop I took her 
to has small round tables, so you can sit right next to the 
chick. Going to places that you sit in front of the chick (ie. 
cant kino), are useless, in fact harmful, as it ruins the mood, 
as you cant touch her now for the next 30..45 minutes..blech! 
Always go to places you can kino the chick!

Coffee finished, and we go walk some more around the shops. 
It gets dark, and I ask her to my place to watch a video. She 
says ok [she told me after that usually she would say NO to 
such a request, but she said yes because of what I told her at 
coffee, and what I expected with chicks, and what the 
consequences were (the chick getting blown out for life) if a 
chick rejected a chance I gave her].

We get "Fifth Element". I chose fifth element, because it is an 
SF movie, with lots of sexy costumes, and a couple of the 
characters in it are sort of gay looking (it is a french 
production I believe), which I knew she would like from our 
talk ahead of time at the coffee shop.

We watch the movie, and we are talking at the same time, 
remarking the sexy costumes, and ignoring the plot. We are 
talking about relationships and how they are difficult again. 
We talk about some stuff (I got from this NG), I say, "did you 
know that womens romance novels outsell men's porn mags like 
5:1 in the USA?.. I think it is because basically romance is 
women's pornography. .. I mean chicks say that porn mags 
are dirty and all that..but its not, chicks do the same thing 
with their romance books. see, in a relationship, the first 
thing important for a chick is romance/warm feelings, and 
after that comes sex. Well, for the man, the same things are 
important, but in a different order, first is sex, and then 
romance/warm feelings".

Then she asks me, well what if you met a girl who was a 
virgin, and wanted to save her self for marriage? I replied, 
that I would try to fuck her, and if I got nowhere, I would 
instantly dump her for another chick because she was being 
selfish! Karatebabe was aghast, and dropped her mouth "why 
you think so?". 

I told her that virginchick wants to have 
everything, but give nothing.she wants a relationship, nice 
dinners and evening walks, but doesnt want to give sex to the 
guy. She is USING HIM for attention. That is the SAME 
THING as when a guy pulls a chick out of a bar, fucks her 
and dumps her the next morning, just using her for sex. 
There is NO DIFFERENCE! Karatebabe thought about for a 
little while, then agreed, that as weird as it sounded, actually 
what I said made sense, and I was right.

Then I tell her a bit a story about a chick I dated (while I was 
still an AFC). 

That chick was 20, and I took her to a restaurant for dinner 
(so of course kino was impossible, but I was stupid then ;-) ). 
And also, when we went for a walk, she wouldnt ever let me 
take her arm like french promenade style (which I dont do 
anymore BTW, as if kino was good in the bar, you can go 
right to holding hands directly). And then she would write 
back how she had such a wonderful time with me, and want 
to go out again to another restaurant. And of course, she did 
the same thing (resisting all kino attempts). And of course 
since I was an AFC then, I accepted it again, and went out a 
THIRD time with her..same thing. 

Then I smartened up, 
(slightly), and the next time she asked me to go out (she even 
had circled all the restaurants she wanted to go to on a piece 
of paper, can you believe that!), I sent her a reply back saying 
"Why should I go out with you.you arent interested in me at 
all! Just you want to get taken to restaurants and get 
everything paid for!". 

She replied how she was "so shocked 
by my statements, and how she'd never been treated that way 
and she just wanted to have nice evenings and romance". I 
replied back "Well you shouldn't have been surprised, you 
just want to use me for attention, but didnt want to give ME 
anything, or pay ANY attention to what I WANT at all!, so 
why are you surprised?". 2 months later I got a note from her 
asking me out, but by then I had discovered ASF, and was on 
to much better chicks already. She missed her chance..

We talked about that relating to her lost love in S.P., and told 
her that basically, she missed her chance, by resisting, and 
not making moves, when the chance was there.opportunity 
lost.. I could tell I was getting into karatebabe, and things 
were happening inside her head.

I start getting really kino with karatebabe now, get her top 
off, but she is starting to annoyingly really resist. I tell her 
"see, at the beginning, a little resistance is ok, but if you do it 
throughout, a guy will think you dont like him, and then blow 
you out! She said she is not resisting me though.. I say yes 
you are, you keep pushing me away, (really strongly too, she 
is into karate, and is a strong woman), so the message you 
give the guy is that you dont want him.. that is why guys 
always reject you and you end up alone with sad stories! 

We play some more, and resistance is a little less now, but she 
says that her parents expect her back home, so she has to go.. 
I tell her, see, there is another thing you did, you went out 
with a guy, you are 30 Y.O., but you didnt set rules with your 
folks yet that you can go out, and come back the next 
day..etc.. That is also why you have trouble. Basically, my 
whole strategy is to play on her being inadequate if she 
doesnt fuck and doesn't let me have my way with her.

I dress her up, and escort her back to the station, hand 
holding and a goodbye kiss.

The next day, I get an email from her saying that I was really 
direct in what I said, and somehow very strict, but it was very 
clear what I expected and it made sense, and that she was 
going to make some changes, and that she wanted to see me 
again. I book the following Friday for her, 8pm, to show her 
an Izakaya (drinking bar) near my house [from here on,  this 
is a similar routine to what I do with nursebabe the following 
night..actually, I wrote that report before this one, so there is 
more detail in that one about what comes next re: my plan].

I think my plan for what the themes for the short izakaya stop 
will be. It will be to talk about the HB afro blowout story (I 
will say it happened to my friend, and how some girls are not nice 
girls at all, as my friend is a really sweet guy, and how he got 
taken advantage. Then I will talk a little more about 
relationships being difficult, pour on the kino, and then get 
her to my place to fuck her).

I arrive at the station a few minutes late (so I can hug/kiss 
her), its easier to do when she is waiting for you rather than 
the other way around, get a hug/hand holding, but she is 
embarrased to kiss in such a public place. Like nursebabe the 
next day, she arrives with a small backpack, so I know she is 
intending to spend the night and fuck. I take her to the 
Izakaya, and pour on the kino. 

I tell the HB afro story, and she is really sympathetic, I get 
kino going really well, and talk how it is so pitiful, such a 
thing, and how it is easy for a girl to get a BF in 10 minutes 
in a bar, but for a good guy like him, it can take months. A 
couple times our talk drifts into the wrong way (talking about 
karate, and stuff like that that is not kino/romantic), so I 
rebring up that HB afro story. "oh, just it really bothers me 
that someone can treat someone else like that..blah blah". I 
tell her how I spent the day studying Japanese (get a kiss 
cheek out of it for my good work), we finish drinks and I 
extract her. I pay (maybe I shouldn't have), but anyways, I 
know I will fuck her tonight, so I dont really care about it.

She goes out of the bar, and like nursebabe the next day, 
immediately starts walking to my house direction without 
asking. I dont even have to ask/say anything. I take her hand, 
and we go. I kiss her once along the way, but she is really 
embarrased, so I wait till we get home for the next one.

We get there,lights are bright, pop music album on the radio 
[all this the same as nursebabe report, read it for all the 
details on why I did things this way].  

I gesture her to the couch downstairs, we start kissing, and I 
massage her tits and hugging/petting, and NO RESISTANCE 
AT ALL (a big switch from last time. I can tell she was 
serious when she said she would change her thinking the next 
time she saw me). I ask her "do you like me" (see nursebabe 
story for why I do this), she says yes, and I say "ok" and take 
her upstairs and fuck her silly right to the next morning (I 
just take off her clothes (no resistance), finger/kiss/massage 
her all over, and then start drilling her). She is a very good 
fuck, and very passionate lover. wonderful!

She tells me the next day, maybe it is better to be an easy 
chick, and have fun like this. I tell her maybe it is. I want to 
see her again (a good fuck she was!), she says she wants to 
also, and I lead her out in the morning, and take the 
afternoon off before nursebabe arrives at 8pm that night, 
where the whole routine starts again.

Constructive comments/opinions welcome as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Part II : London Special! : Wifeslave takes a walk on the wild side!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

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Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com
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London Double Feature, Part II!
Meeting and dealing with SM slave chicks!
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Layreport double feature! London special! WifeSlave 
takes a walk on the wild side!
010211

This is the second part of this week's layreport 
double feature! (other one is Hb Miles!).

Tonights story is about 'wifeslave',  a chick I met 
in London the second day I was here and ended up 
fucking. Wifeslave it turns out is a massochistic 
married chick, with lots of SM fantasies she wants to 
play out, early 30s around, bored house wife who is 
looking for some fun and excitement in her life). She 
is very pretty, thin, attractive and sexy and had 
bigger tits than you usually see on Asian chicks. She 
had a beautiful face as well. Needless to say, when 
she found me, she got what she was looking for!

It was an unusual PU in several respects 
(particularly, the fact that I found out she is into 
SM before I fucked her, which is the first time that 
happened to me.. usually I find out during/after the 
first fuck, if they are like this or not).

Firstly, wifeslave is a Japanese-chick who lives here 
(there are TONS around in London). I chose her 
because I am finding the longer I am here, I am not 
excited by brit-chicks at all. (not surprisingly, the 
lead story on the BBC news  yesterday was regarding a 
new govt report on how FAT british women had become 
over the last 10 years)... sorry no thanks.. I want 
the HBs.. which wifeslave is.. petite, thin/sexy with 
a beautiful face. I will write another report about 
the London PU scene later today, with more on all of 
this, and how to find Caucaisan chicks who ARE cute 
(hint.. they are from other parts of Europe, and also 
are teaming all over London)!

Ok, on with the story!

I met Wifeslave at a party in London, there were lots 
of brits around (all the chicks were massive UG's, 
FAT and truly discusting), and a few Asians that were 
cute. I started on the Asians, # closed a short one 
(we made a meeting for the next day, but she flaked 
out and last minute cancelled (her friend bought her 
movie tickets..BS story was the excuse). I called her 
on it retorted with 'well my policy is to never ask 
out again anyone who cancels me at the last minute, 
because I am a busy person and my schedule is 
important too.. I need to know a day ahead'. 
Flakechick was really taken aback by this.. stunned 
actually and got really defensive. I went on to tell 
her, that 'so, if you would like to go out with me 
still, then you can call me when your schedule is 
under control again, and maybe we can hook up if I am 
not busy'. She was now making a ton more excuses, and 
it was obvious I had shaken her up (I can see all the 
other guys she tried this on before here... 'uh... 
ok, well I will call you again then and maybe we can 
try next week...afc..afc).. So in a way, even though 
we didn't meet, I kept my pride, and shook her up by 
confronting her bullshit directly.  That was the end 
of that, I don't care if I ever see her again. If she 
does call, it will be go directly to fuck (returning 
fox theory). 

I also number closed another one (an 8.5 on the brit 
scale, 7 on the j-scale).. she sounded desperate, and 
asked me out.. I will meet her in about an hour. She 
was really paranoid, and didn't want to give me her 
phone number, but only an email.. so I only gave her 
my email too. Then I wrote her, and said I wanted to 
talk to her, how we can do that. She said to give me 
my number, but not a mobile phone (because then the 
calling # appears I guess, which is she worried 
about). I thought this was bullshit, so I just 
ignored the note she sent. 2 days later she gives me 
her phone number, and asks me out... funny that.. 
goes to show.. do not supplicate..do not supplicate!! 
Do not accept bullshit! [ed note, I just got back 
from meeting that other chick, went very well, will 
write a separate report on her.. I love London!!]

I was at the party for about 1 hour, it was a 
wine/cheese sort of thing that the brits really like. 
Wifeslave was there, but for some reason I never got 
to her, she arrived late, and I was getting kind of 
tired from the jetlag, so fading fast..

I get my jacket and head to the elevator, and 
wifeslave is there with another chick, and a 2 guys I 
don't know. The 4 say that they are going to karaoke, 
do I want to come. I am not interested really, 
because it is a group of 4 people, and PU will be 
impossible. I tell them, that I am going to go to a 
salsa bar (which I like) and that they are welcome to 
come with me. Wifeslave cant decide (I don't even 
know her name or anything at this point), so I say, 
well give me your #, and we can meet some other time. 
She gives it to me (her cellphone).

The people want to karaoke, but wifeslave still cant 
decide.. I give her one of those long seductive 
stares, and finally says salsa sounds good. So I tell 
her 'lets go' and bail out of there with her ASAP 
before any afcs and losers decide to clutch on to us.

We get out of the place and are now on our own in the 
city downtown. I ask her what she is doing here, and 
she says that her husband (an important VIP of sorts 
actually) was sent to London, and she arrived with 
him a few weeks ago. They sound quite rich, and have 
a very expensive house in a classy part of town 
apparently. She's got 2 kids, both very very young. 
In spite of this, she is still HB (I love asian 
chicks!). She tells how her husband is a good 
provider and takes very good care of her, and that 
she was very lucky to have met and married him... 
(well, that means she is not looking to replace him, 
nor is she unhappy.. so much be something else she is 
looking for... so I probe further..)

I ask her about her husband, what he does and how she 
is finding London. I ask her 'so where is your 
husband tonight?' and she retorts sarcastically 'I 
dunno?!'. Now this was key, because the tonality and 
face expression of how she said this was basically 'I 
haven't a clue, nor do I give a fuck, so  I am free 
tonight totally!' It was good that I picked that up, 
and it set the tone for the rest of the evening.

She asks if the salsa place is far, its not, so we 
start to head there. I need to establish kino, so I 
start with the French arm gag. I tell her 'well, this 
is Europe, so I guess the man is supposed to escort 
the lady', and extend my arm. She immediately takes 
it... another good sign.. Now something funny 
happens, we are walking arm in arm in the street, and 
then she spots a relative of her husband in a group 
of people, she freak, lets go the arm and gets away 
from me by 10 meters ASAP behind me. I kind of clue 
in what happened, so just I keep walking, I hear her 
behind me.. after, she comes back, and explains what 
just happened. 

I tell her that I understand her situation, and that 
we should be careful outside. She agrees. This is 
good actually, because it tells me that she 
understands the score (ie. We are doing something 
secret, and (b) she knows she is doing it, and 
accepts it).

Now we get to the bar, and she scopes out the bar for 
people she/her husband might know. There aren't any, 
and then kino starts again, and is quite good. No 
resistance to hand holding, or anything. It is now 30 
minutes or so from after I first met her.

We dance a little bit, and I show her some basic 
latin dances, just to get kino going. No problem, she 
is very kino.

Now the goal is to find out what the chick is into, 
and elicit the romantic/adventurous states. I have 
her against a wall in the bar someplace (its really 
crowded now and she is worried about being seen, so I 
don't try a kiss close here.. will wait till later 
when she's at my place). I ask her 'are you a 
romantic or exciting type of person'. She says both. 
(well that is good, she is making it easy for me!). I 
remark back to the dance and mention how dance is a 
sort of communication at many levels between two 
people, even if they do not communicate with words'.

She wants a drink, so she goes off to buy one. I tell 
her I want a rum-coke, she buys them and returns, I 
tell her I will get her the next ones. Kino is still 
excellent. She is afraid to kiss though, always 
looking around if she will be spotted.

Now here I get really lucky. It turns out that one of 
the waitresses in the bar is wearing an almost 
fetish'ish SM looking latex/leather costume (it's a 
normal bar, just they do this to get attention and 
get tips). Wifeslaves is staring at it, so I ask her 
if she likes it. She smiles and says 'maybe'. Now I 
know I am onto something.. this chick is looking for 
secret excitement in her life. I decide to probe this 
further..

I take her back to the wall, and remark that my ex-f 
was wild, bi, did group sex and stuff like that. I 
asked her if she ever did that, and she grins and 
says.. 'maybe'. I tell her about that story about 
that couple HB ass and I fucked once (see my webpage, 
article about the swinger world in Japan), where this 
one married chick had a happy home life, but had a 
secret boyfriend she would go to fuck parties with. 
She smiles a bit about the story.

She is looking nervous around again, so I ask her 
when her curfew is as I worry about the time now, its 
getting late. She says anytime is OK. I figure it is 
time to go for the close here, so I step things up.

I tell her if she could have excitement like that, 
and no one could find out (ie. Her husband), would 
she do it. She says 'Absolutely!'. But then she tells 
a story about this guy she used to see before, who 
didn't respect her situation and started calling her 
all the time, even when her husband was home. That 
situation really freaked her out and scared her,.. 
she said she was scared to take the chance again 
after that.. that the guy would get too clingy and 
cause trouble in her 'real life'.

I tell her that I am not stupid and understand what 
her boundries are, just like I have boundries, and 
that we are both intelligent enough to know where the 
lines are, and when/when not to cross them so that 
there is no trouble for either of us. She looks more 
reassured, so I decide to make the move, and get her 
to my place.. its loud though now so getting hard to 
talk.

I take her hand, and we leave the bar. We are out 
into the street now. I am direct in my proposition, I 
suggest we go to my place, and I offer her excitement 
and a night she wont forget, and that I will respect 
her boundries and not call her, she can call me when 
it is safe, and that I am not stupid, and hope she 
isn't either. She says OK, but she is hungry and 
wants a snack first. I say fine, we go to a McD's 
that is still open this late in downtown. 

While we are there, I continue to keep the state, by 
playing 'Strawberry fields (see website)' and '4 
questions'. Strawberry reply: -see no fence, lots of 
strawberry, I'm sorry.
Four questions reply: cool, blue-relaxed, panda-
cuddly,sit on beach

She says that she wants guy's attention not because 
she is bored, and not because she  doubts her value 
as a woman, but she wants to make sure she can get an 
attention from guy (in other words, she really DOES 
doubt her value as a woman).

She asks how far my place is, I say its 10 minutes, 
and we go. We cant find a cab however (all are full 
in booming London on a Friday night), so we end up 
walking.. I am only in London for 2 days so far, so I 
get terribly lost. It takes us like 30 or 40 minutes 
to get to my place. She is cold, and its late now, 
but still game on. The way there she is behind me 
alone, doesn't want to get spotted, and we don't say 
a word to each other the ENTIRE way there from when 
she agreed to come after the McDs. I figure let her 
anticipate what will happen and not ruin it. I am 
also very jetlagged now and not thinking well of 
things to say, so don't want to fuck it up.

We get there, I give her an orange juice, and then I 
want to see where we are after the long silent walk 
to my place, so I ask her my impression of me from 
when she met me to now. She says I am 'normal' (not 
sure if this is good or not) .I tell her my 
impression of her (looked very straight at first, but 
she was intelligent, and seemed like the excitement 
type when we were at club, so I wanted to know more 
about her.

She asks me why, and I tell her because the way she 
reacted to that costume in the bar, somehow I think 
that interests her. She asks me why I think she likes 
it. I take a guess here and tell her because it is 
kind of fetish/kinky SM type, so maybe it makes you 
curious.

Wifeslave then asks.. so do you like SM type [here 
just by raising the topic, and probing like this, she 
is telling me that this interests her somehow... so I 
move forward]. I reply, 'yes', it can be exciting 
with the right person. It is somehow a very deep 
relationship, but in a different sort of way. She 
says that she agrees. I ask her which type she is, 
and which did she try.

Wifeslave replies 'which do you think?'. [this is of 
course easy, because she has let me lead all night, 
taken not really any initiative, and not given me any 
resistance so far to anything.. so I figure she is 
Maso type. Usually Maso types want to through 
themselves into unknown situations and let whatever 
happens to them happen.. which, basically, is what 
she has been doing all night].

I tell her she is a bit Maso I think. She smiles, and 
says, 'I am extremely Maso..'. I ask her how.. She 
says 'I love to take pain, to endure it, I will take 
as much pain as is possible'. [Interesting.. Maniac 
thinks to himself..]. 

I tell her I have had several slave girls in the 
past. She asks me what I have done to chicks. I tell 
her the Ms Kinky story (window strip), the HB ass 
gangrape story,..etc. She though doesn't seem excited 
by any of this, and asks me how I found out that MS 
Kinky was SM type. I told her (see the story on my 
webpage) that when I held her hands tight, she 
reacted really erotically, so I could tell. She 
started to ask me detailed questions on how I tied 
her, and what I did to her after that (did I whip 
her.. how.. how much?..etc), which I replied. It 
turns out she likes to be tied, beaten, and then get 
fucked at the end. She doesn't want to be embarrassed 
publicly, or have sex outside or anything like that. 
Being the center of attention at an SM party (ie. 
Getting tied up in front of everyone and getting the 
shit beat out of her was nice though.. although she 
never tried, but she'd like to).

I told her finally, that I knew what she wanted, and 
that I knew what I was doing, and that she would have 
to trust me, because I think I know what she needs. 
This thread is interesting still, so I don't go for a 
KC or anything yet, just I want to find out more at 
this point about her.

I ask her what her experiences were. She says she 
started around 3 years ago, first by meeting a couple 
she met in a fetish shop in another city she used to 
live in. They made her their fuck slave, and beat her 
and used her. After that, there was another guy a few 
years later, but she didn't really understand the 
'scene' aspect of it, and rather than using 
safewords, would ask her every 30 seconds 'is it ok.. 
is it ok', which ruined the mood for her. 

I told her that I use safewords, and that the aspect 
of the scene was important, so I would never ask her 
'is it ok'. She seemed to like that, and somehow it 
showed I knew what I was doing..

I go on to say that sex is just a way of power 
exchange, the guy 'takes' the girl. SM is a deeper, 
more intense form of this. She agrees. I ask her 
about her husband, and does he SM play with her like 
she described she wanted above.. she says 'no'.. he 
is totally straight, and wont give her that..

She is looking more an more nervous at the clock now 
(it is around 2am), so I decide to move things now 
faster, and tell her that I think we both know what 
each other are looking for, and we could try it, and 
see if we fit each other. She agrees. I tell her (in 
an authoritative, permission voice), so would you 
like to kiss me. Chick, 'yes', we tonguedown for a 
while, with kino and feeling up.. going good. 

But she is still nervous about the time, and says she 
has never gone home this late before, and is worried 
about her husband, as its now 2:30 am or so. I figure 
50% of it is true, the other 50% is bullshit, but 
don't decide to press it, because I want her to know 
that I wont intrude into her 'real life with the 
family', and not cause her trouble like that other 
guy did, so I say "I understand your situation, we 
will meet another time when it is more safe for 
you'". She felt relieved about that. I tell her 
though that I don't like to be played by girls, and 
that she can decide whether to meet me or not, but if 
she meets me, that I expect SM and sex to happen (ie. 
The SOI - statement of intent).

I asked her when were good times to call/not call and 
meet. She said any time her husband is away on work 
trips, or in the daytime anyday when he is working, I 
can call, and she can meet me.

I tell her I understand, take her to a taxi outside, 
and she goes home.

--

Now I wait till Monday in the day before calling her 
(as she said that was the 'safe time'). I call her, 
but she is with a friend she says, and cant talk now. 
She sounded nervous somehow a little. So I decide to 
wait till the next day before calling again. This 
time she says everything is fine, and she sounds much 
more relaxed.

I tell her I want to see her, and that I have time on 
Thursday afternoon/lunch because the boss will be 
away, so I can slip out of the office for a while. 
She agrees, and we make a time to meet near my place. 
I tell her though, that I don't want to go straight 
to my place, but want to go out for a tea first, and 
talk about a few things [the idea here is that I want 
her to get comfortable with me before she gets to my 
place (see karatebabe and nursebabe reports), and not 
freak out].

Thursday comes, and she is there on time as expected. 
We go to a sandwich shop, and eat sandwiches and tea. 
We smalltalk about hobbies (tennis for her, how she 
likes it, what she did before (was a student))..etc. 
The shop is very crowded, so I don't want to talk 
about SM stuff here.

We finish, and I tell her that we will go to my 
place, and we will talk there a bit first about what 
we talked about last Friday. On the way, I ask her 
about the last guy she saw in the other city, and to 
describe a bit about what he did [idea here is to set 
the context so it is not a dramatic shift when she 
gets to my place]. She does that. When we get to my 
place, I put her on the couch, and I sit in a 
separate chair right in front of her [kind of 
teacher/child style.. I am the master, not just a 
regular guy who wants to fuck her, so if I sit on the 
couch next to her, it just makes me a guy who wants 
to fuck her, if she is on the couch, sunk in the 
cushions, and I am stern sitting in the chair, it 
increases my authority, which is the role I am trying 
to play with this chick].

Now I am very direct.. I tell her that my rules are 
as follows. I use the tone of a teacher talking to a 
3rd grader who has just gotten in trouble for putting 
chalk in a girls' hair. "When I see you, you will 
follow me, and do what I tell you. I will not ask you 
if its ok. You will have a safe word, called 
'safeword', and if you say it, I will stop, and you 
can then tell me something you want (ie. Release me, 
hit me less hard..etc). She replies that she almost 
never uses a safeword, and wants to take as much pain 
as I can give her. If she were to use a safeword, it 
is because it is too much and needs to stop. She 
doesn't want to direct it, she just wants to receive 
it, whatever I give her). I ask her if she 
understands what I just said, and if she agrees to 
it. She says yes.

I tell her to get ready in the bathroom and get 
cleaned up, and when she is done, to wait for me 
outside the door. She does that, and while in the 
bathroom, I get a mask out, and some stuff I bought 
the night before in SOHO (whip, crop, handcuffs, 
mask). I didn't get so much stuff, as it is 
expensive, and I had no idea if she'd really even 
show up or not.

After I finish preparing the room, I open the door, 
and she is waiting, as ordered. I put the mask on her 
face over her eyes, and now my tone changes to the 
sound of a guy who just bought this chick to use as 
he pleases.

I lead her into the room, hold her hands over her 
head, and remark how she looks so fine, and it will 
be a pleasure to use and enjoy her today. I pull her 
top and bra off her, and comment on her big tits and 
how they are so nice, and pinch one of the nipples 
hard, she cries out when I do, but takes it. 

I undo her pants, and pull off her 
tightjeans/panties, and now she is totally naked 
right in front of me. I touch her pussy, and legs and 
remark how long it has been since she really was used 
like this. I turn her around and give her a good 
asswhipping, and then hit her with the came. She 
shrieks to the floor when the cane strikes her ass 
[maybe it was too hard, so I hit her a little less 
hard with it the next times]. I take the cuffs, and 
tie her hands together with them, and hand her hands 
to a hook that was already on the door for coats or 
something, and whip her some more, on her ass, her 
pussy and tits. 

Then I undo her from the door, put her on the bed, 
and tie her hands to the end of the bed, and make her 
spread her legs and whip her more.. she seems to 
really like this, and shrieks in pain/pleasure at the 
same time. I make her count once for each time I hit 
her, up to fifty, and when she forgets to count, I 
make her start over, which she did a few times. 

After she reached 50, I put on the condom, and fucked 
her silly on the bed, still tied. After that, I let 
her rest, and took off the mask, debriefed her a bit 
before continuing. She said it was great, and exactly 
what she was looking for.

I massage her a bit lightly, put on the mask, and do 
all of the above some more...

Then something odd happens. She asks to get on top of 
me. So I say ok, and lie down, and she sits on me 
facing me and starts to fuck me from the top. Then 
she is reaching my hands up, but anbigulously. I tell 
her, just say what you really want me to do 
Wifeslave. She says that she wants me to put my hands 
on her neck and choke her.. that she cannot come 
unless she is choked. [Now I have a problem with 
this, because I know how dangerous this kind of thing 
can be with 'gasper' chicks like this.. and it was 
the first time I ever met a gasper chick]. So I 
decide to not really choke her, but just put my hands 
around her neck, and apply pressure from the sides, 
so it feels a bit of pressure, but doesn't really 
constrict anything.. I will have to be careful with 
this, I am not entirely comfortable with this aspect 
of things..

She came almost right away after I did that, and 
shook and shrieked. I throw her on the bed, and come 
again in her, with her head hanging over the edge of 
the bed upsidedown and her legs up in the air.

I take off the mask, and we debrief. I ask her if her 
husband chokes her too, she says yes, she asks him to 
do it. I ask her if she enjoyed it, and she says yes, 
very much. She says she wants to see me again. I go 
on to tell her that I didn't get so much equipment 
this time, because I didn't know if she would come. 
But now I know that she will, I can get more.

She says she likes the leather neck brace, because it 
holds her head very tightly, and makes her keep a 
strict posture which she likes. I remark about the 
fetish and SM party clubs that apparently exist in 
parks of London, and she is interested to go, if/when 
her husband is away. I ask her if she feels it is 
safe to go shopping with me in SOHO one day, but she 
is not sure she will meet people she knows. I remark 
that they would like be as embarrassed and not want 
to say anything as her... We will see about it.

We talked more after that about sex, and how it is 
for guys & girls. The insight from that discussion is 
that chicks like the feeling of being taken, being 
helpless, and getting 'knifed into their minds', 
which is what sex is for a chick. Just physical sex, 
without that emotional aspect of it, is not fun at 
all, she says...

What I learned here was two major things. First, I 
got really lucky that the chick in the bar had that 
costume. Next time, I must probe a chick for sm 
tendencies without a 'chance happening' occurring 
like this. In that way, I fucked up, because I knew 
this chick wanted SOMETHING from me at the start, but 
I didn't know what. Had I not gotten lucky this way, 
with the chick in the costume being there, the SM 
topic wouldn't have come up, and then Wifeslave would 
have blown me out, thinking I was some straight guy 
like her husband  who couldn't give her what she 
wanted (a master slave relationship). I fucked up 
here, and recovered only because I was damn lucky 
about that waitress being there which brought us on 
the topic.

Point two was that this was the FIRST time I ever 
talked about SM stuff with a chick BEFORE fucking her 
at least once. It taught me that I should probe for 
this, and it might be a way into chicks that already 
got BFs they love, or are married and generally 
happy?etc. In retrospect, looking at that Ms. 
Sparkles chick from last year, this may have been 
what she wanted. When I didn't demonstrate that, she 
freaked out at my advance, and bugged out.

So two important lessons here!

Oh and one more thing, this is the second chick in 
London I PU with a lay over the 10 days I am here 
cumulatively (I was here for 2 days a couple months 
ago, and PU'd and fucked psychicbabe). So it shows 
that the ManiacPlan works in London as well as Tokyo, 
and is very very effective. In fact, because there is 
no language barrier, I find it even easier than 
Tokyo.. I will write up more in a separate report on 
this topic.

Constructive comments / opinions welcome, as usual!

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Tom and Maniac write about an example of how to do a 
dance floor pickup without talking to the chick!




From tom_bc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:28:00 1999
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:16:37 PDT
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well, I have only one thing to say : great post !

is it easy to see when she goes into trance when she's dancing ? (well,
dancing people are already in a kind of trance), but how easy is it to see
the changes ?

One thing I noticed is that when you get to connected to someone, if you act
very slow and move very slow, it seems to deepen their trance, like if they
don't know what's going on. Have you noticed that as well ?

Tom

maniac_high  wrote in message
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> Kino Report! All the details of doing an awesome kino PU!
> 991010
>
> Hi All!
>
> How to do a dance floor kino pickup has been talked about
> here recently, and it turns out, that I saw an excellent
> example of this tonight in a club, while I was out with one of
> my regular chicks. I watched the PU from start to end, and
> learned A LOT about dance floor kino pickups from what this
> guy did. I will talk about what I saw below and analyze...
> Comments/opinions welcome as usual..
>
> Okay, first of all, the PU was done with vitually no talking at
> all, so I will try to be as descriptive as I can, even though this
> was all body motions for the PU. The setting was a disco in
> Tokyo, playing regular fast paced disco dance music. I was on
> the floor with one of my regular chicks, and the following
> happened next to me with a blond haired guy, probably in
> high school, doing an excellent PU on a J-babe wearing a
> reddress. I rate her a 7.5.. His moves were very well scripted,
> and well done, here goes.. I will just list it out, then talk more
> below. This was cool, and I will do this from now on..
> Analysis is at the end..
>
> -They make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other.
> -He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact
> -This happens about 2 or 3 minutes
> -He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is
> dancing, still following her pace
> -He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he
> does not pull her in.
>
> -Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits,
> and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air)
> -Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are
> stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her
> body.
> -His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He
> doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her
> buttcheeks.
> -The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass,
> is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole
> distance).
> -Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really
> following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too,
> (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing
> down as his hands were running up/down).
> [3 minutes]
>
> -While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and
> breathes softly on her neck. He does not
> try to kiss her.
> -His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head
> moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly,
> closely.
> -The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing
> her), he like crouches down, slowly, as
> his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up
> again, to her ass, and he is standing again,
> and is breathing on her neck/back again.
> [3minutes]
>
> -He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top
> of this list, and the breathing a couple times.
> -Each time he pulls her in closer.
> -She is going way into trance now.
> [4 minutes]
>
> -The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his
> hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his
> hands up.this is her cue to now do the same thing to him,
> and she does.
> -She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did
> to her before a few times.
> -She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face..
>
> -He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he
> does the same things again with the hands,
> this time from behind..
> -(she gets confused, when he tries to turn her so he just tells
> her to turn around), loses trance state..
> -He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly
> sexual..
> -She is back in trance again.
> -[3 minutes]
>
> -He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and
> he is breathing on her neck/face.
> -Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing,
> breathing on his face/neck.
> -This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss,
> and she is goes more into trance, she
> is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all.
> [3 minutes]
>
> -He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not
> kiss there..
> -He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..
> -She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on
> each others face,
> -This continues for what I thought is a really long time before
> the kiss starts [4 minutes]
>
> -Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each
> others lips
> -The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing..
> -The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)..
>
>
> Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it
> (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )
>
> Okay, Maniac's analysis. First, this was a REALLY GOOD
> kino pickup. There was no talking during the whole PU
> (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he
> touched her got her going. That was really cool. Some other
> things notable to me. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. I
> realized, watching this, that maybe I rush things too much,
> and try to tongue the chick too soon, and that scares her
> away, before her states are setup right.
>
> Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was
> doing the Kino. I know to watch for this now. He did not
> advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from
> looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her
> following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he
> slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to
> the next step. She was also helping him by following his
> `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience.
>
> Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss
> her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad
> yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss
> first, then move to those other parts), didn't grab her ass in a
> groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very
> smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual
> groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't
> scare her.
>
> He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30
> minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even
> his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION
> movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to
> his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open,
> looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.
> Very very good. He'd close them though when she could see
> his face. It was clear he had done this before and was
> following the "cookbook".
>
> He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I
> expected or I would have. It was good, he kept on touching
> her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made
> her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss
> rejection. I liked this..
>
> All in all, I learned a lot from watching this, and will model
> my kinos from now on to what this one looked like.. basically,
> slow down my pace, and realize I dont have to follow the
> music pace if its not appropriate to my kino pace to seduce
> the chick.
>
> Well there you go!, Constructive opinions/comments
> welcome, as usual!
>
> Maniac
>
> [Oh, BTW, another funny thing happened at that club, while
> I was there with my chick, guess who came in with her 2
> girlfriends.yep, HB blitz! It was a cool neg, my sexy GF
> hanging all over me, when I see her at the door coming in. I
> ask her, "gee where have you been (implying to my email,
> and reply that she never answered), look at my chick and feel
> her up a little, and then turn to HB blitz and say "well, see
> you around"  and go off with my chick.. .. A beautiful neg.. I
> think it deserves a followup (get your shit together email if
> you want to be that chick in my arms)..opinions anyone how
> to structure that from here?]
>
>
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