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Maniac’s left/right brain theory, explaining chick logic!

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
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I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
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This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
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BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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Mrsex4unyc’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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MrSex4uNYC comments on David Shade's  "The Kiss"




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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
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Mrsex4unyc’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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MrSex4uNYC comments on David Shade's  "The Kiss"




From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Nov 25 01:54:05 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me $280.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

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Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

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From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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Mrsex4unyc’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0000

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MrSex4uNYC comments on David Shade's  "The Kiss"




From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Nov 25 01:54:05 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
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-HijoNewbie PUA

Mrsex4unyc’s comments on the above story

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MrSex4uNYC comments on David Shade's  "The Kiss"




From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Nov 25 01:54:05 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: field report David Shade "the kiss" (part 1 of 2)
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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
Lines: 85
Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Nov 25 01:58:24 1999
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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

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Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

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From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
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This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
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clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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MrSex4uNYC comments on David Shade's  "The Kiss"




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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
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Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
Svengali

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And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
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Mrsex4unyc’s comments on the above story

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MrSex4uNYC comments on David Shade's  "The Kiss"




From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Nov 25 01:54:05 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Thu Nov 25 01:58:24 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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Subject: Re: field report David Shade "the kiss" (part 2 of 2)
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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

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A scientific explanation for chick logic! (ie. those mixed up
nonsensical thinking patterns that chicks always use on guys!)


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: ]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 05:21:54 GMT

]Brain research = Chick Logic insight!
001227

I happened to be looking around the web, and found something regarding
left/right brain specialization and experiments that has interesting
applications to PU, and in particular, chick logic.

First I summarize this, and then relate it to PU below. Basically,
there is an operation for epileptics where you can cut the connection
between their left and right brains in their heads. This makes those
people's seizures less worse.

They found that when they do this though, that the left side of the
brain,
and right side, now function as very independent, very seperate units,
each with their own thoughts, opinions, consciousness..etc.

They found that the left side deals with speech, logic, math,
reasoning,
ego. They found that the right side deals with abstract, emotion, art,
kino, dreaming and imagination, and often had a lower self esteem.

For details, see this website:
http://www.macalester.edu/~psych/whathap/UBNRP/Split_Brain/Hemispheric_
Specialization.html

Now, the interesting thing is that they also found that the right side
could not deal with language really, and thus all communications to
the 'outside' was done via the connection to the left brain, and then
to outside (generally speaking). They found this, because after the
two sides were seperated from each other via the surgery, and the
right side 'learned' to understand english again, by using earphones,
and giving questions to each ear, with reply written by the pen on the
same side, that each 'brain' had very different desires, opinions,
self feelings, as if there were really 'two people' inside.

So, how does this apply to PU? Well, firstly, it explains why NLP,
or story telling or pattern language work even though it 'makes no
sense'
when listened to logically. Because the brain normally communicates
to the outside (speaking, listening) via the left brain, and then all
the 'emotional' stuff, gets passed to the right brain for processing.

It is the 'right brain' you want to reach, to lay a chick. That is
where all those emotional and racy feelings work. If you are logical,
then your information/chatter will only get as far as the left brain,
and never make it to the right, where you need to go to lead the chick.
That is why you need stories, NLP..etc, to drive the imagination, and
activate the right side, and get IT making the decisions rather than
the
left side.

Finally, this also raises an interesting explanation for the phenomenon
known as 'chick logic'. Understanding the above, chick logic now makes
perfect sense (ie. chick is saying 'no sex tonight' with her mouth
while lunging her body at you. This is where the left brain (words)
and right brain (body action) are at total odds at each other, and each
is doing the opposite.. because there are really two people inside
there!

It also explains why you want to look at what the body (right brain)
is saying and not what the words are saying. Because it is the right
brain that will decide that she wants to fuck you (unless she is doing
it for golddigging or something, in which it will be the left side,
but then it is likely to be a lousy fuck unless you get the right side
going), and it is the right side controlling the non-verbal action.

It also explains about about myself regarding moods & PU. If I am only
thinking with my left side, I will suck at PU that day, but if I do
something to 'wake up' the right side, the 'atmosphere' and everything
just goes much more smoothly..


No idea if any of this is even remotely correct or not, but it does
seem to make sense, at least to me.

Comments/opinions welcome!

Maniac High
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Rock/scissors paper to get kiss close!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me 0.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

Game: The ‘quarter’ game

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Cainshome introduces a PU game: the 'quarter' game!


From cainshome@hotmail.com Fri Dec  1 23:22:06 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Fun little mindreading trick/PU game....
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:42:13 GMT

    	I was picking up a petite 8.5-9 (HB-Pixie) tonight (might post the 
lay report some other time). Note this post is a little haphazard, I 
haven't had much time to categorize the whole routine (as I said, this 
whole pickup/lay happened tonight, and I was testing alot of things, just 
thought I'd get this one nifty point jotted down for everyone).

    	Anyway, at one point a bit into the PU I was performing a maniac-
esque "paying attention to a woman and what she wants/knowing what she 
wants" and how sometimes it's almost like I can almost read their minds. I 
was doing ok so far on my maniac style plan I wrote up a recently to test 
his ideas, and I've been trying alot of variation/stories/lines/games mixed 
in to improve on my own version ;). 
    	At this point I decided to use a little "mind reading game/magic 
routine" I had come up with for my PU's. It was based on a stupid simple 
trick I learned in my youth.
    	On the lunch playground in about 3'rd grade, I'd make small bets to 
get quarters off other students. I'd tell them to hold a quarter behind 
their back, mix it around in their hands, bring both out in front of them 
(you know the drill, the old "pick a hand" deal). The bet was if I could 
guess the right hand with the money, they'd give me the quarter. If I 
guessed wrong, I'd give them 3 quarters. I won about 95% of the "bets" I 
made like this. Trick to winning the bet was when they'd bring the hands 
back out straight in front of them, their nose would point just "slightly" 
to the hand with the quarter. You might be able to try it in front of a 
mirror and see it in yourself, but knowing the trick will probably screw it 
up for you. Try it on someone else though, almost always works.

    	Anyway, I had thought about using this in a pu a few days ago (came 
up with a routine for it) and decided what the hell, cant hurt. So here, 
without further adu, is the amazing instinctive mind reading trick!
    
      I told her I'd give her a simple example and pulled out a quarter 
(when pulling out the quarter with my left hand, I grabbed two, one between 
my fingers, the other in the fist of the same hand). I took the quarter 
from between my fingers into my right hand and gave it to her. Had her do 
the "pick any hand", told her which hand it was in, and she asked me how I 
knew. I pointed at my cheek and said "give me a kiss and I'll teach you". 
She did her little gigle and kissed my cheek. This launched me into a 
little monologue something like this:
"You have to think about the problem on an emotional level, blank out the 
disruptive thoughts trying to confuse you, and rely on a gut feeling, deep 
down inside you, that lets you know what to do. If you dont act on your 
instincts, you will choose wrong and your one chance will be gone." (not 
worded exactly like this, but similar)
    	At this point I took back the the quarter (in my other hand, no 
quarter), and said "here, you try". Hands behind my back, pretended to mix, 
brought both hands out. Now I said something like "ok, now relax, see the 
problem but consider it deeply, let your mind blank with the only focus 
being your answer, let your spontaneous side drive you."
    	Course, you have a quarter in both hands, so it's not too hard for 
her to pick the "right hand". Once she's done that say something about 
"see, it's easy to get what you really want, if you act on your instincts". 
While saying this, take the quarter in your open hand (that she chose), put 
it in your other hand, and put both quarters back in whatever pant pocket 
your closest to. I also made a joke about how she was a quick learner, and 
that we needed to go to las vegas together.

    	It worked out pretty well, set the stage for some more stories and 
the questions game, plus I think improved rapport alot (kino got 
considerably better after this point). Not really the key to the whole 
pickup (or why I was back at her place getting the lay a bit earlier 
tonight), but it was a fun little game, and a great visual representation 
of the "Take the chance, you'll never get it again" (aka, maniac's if you 
dont put out, you'll lose me) mentality. And besides, it fit in pretty well 
with alot of the material I was using (went beautifully with the questions 
game too, right up to the "you want to kiss me, dont you" line, lol).


Thoughts? Other little tricks/games?

Live, learn, crash and burn,
Treeland_AZ

Setting up a truth-or-dare situation!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Setting up chicks to play Truth-or-Dare!


Date Posted: 1999/06/26 07:35:56 PM EDT
Author: Craig 
Subject: Truth or Dare

Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or
dare in high school?  Well, guess what...It still works
with college age women...Except now your fucking! My
wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my
house.  We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but
the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of
them!  Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable
when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up
for some serious sex.

  We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before
we start and prep each other with good dares and truths.
DO NOT play this without whip cream...this is the most
important acessory you will need.  You will be amazed when
you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped
cream of her stomach.  Start off with little stuff like
kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off
nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer...Dare your
wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes
and see what happens.  At this time grab the other girl and
wear out your carpet.  At this point the girls will be so
turned on from the licking and kissing that you can
basically do whatever you want with them.  When your alone
in the room you can be like,"I dare you to let me come in
your mouth" etc.

  Sounds great so far right?  But your worried about how to
get the game started.  You cant just say, "Ok, time for
truth or dare".  To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok,
time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment."  You
have to sneak them into it.  My recipe goes like this:
Start off with the greatest drinking game of all time,
Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up.  Then move on to
the game Im about to describe.

  Throw out any card below an 8.  Take the rest and spread
them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find.  Now
you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band
names.  Each name has to start with the last letter of the
previous name.  For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next
person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch
Nails.  If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you
drink and the next person draws a card.
9 = Truth.  You can ask who ever you want.
10 = Person to left drinks for 5 sec.
Jack = Dare.  Whoever you want.
Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.
King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with
whatever you are drinking.  The person who draws the last
king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup.

  After a few rounds you will start running out of band
names since you cant say the same one twice.  Wait till one
of the girls cant remember a band name then say,"Lets just
pllay truth or dare".  They will happily agree if your
dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

  My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and
4 guys.  At the beginning of the night the girls actually
asked me if they could stay over so they didnt have to
drive home drunk!  After much a serious truth or dare
session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in
a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what
happens.  They never came out.  It was getting late and I
had to work the next morning.  I tossed the other two girls
some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you
want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit
cause I really gotta get some sleep."  10 minutes later one
of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and
starts kissing me.  She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I
told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we
would continue this the next night.  In the meantime my
brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other
friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

  Ive never played this game before without all the girls
willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or
not.  I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if
she had ever had a lesbian experience.  She told me that
the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or
dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min.
Neither of these girls were bi before it happened.  This
just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!

De-shying practice!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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De-shying practice by Svengali!




From: Svengali 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Svengali issues a group challenge based upon his last post
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:26 -0800

Here's my challenge to everyone who is (a) afraid of meeting women,
and/or (b) not getting any women, or (c) not getting enough women.

This simple little challenge will (a) eliminate your fear of women, (b)
show you that you don't have to play any tricks to get and have them.

Ready?

Tomorrow, or Saturday, or Sunday, groom and dress yourself real nice. 
I'm not asking anyone to put on any suits, or ties, or jackets
(unless that is your comfortable style), but rather dress in your own
comfortable, natural way, wearing clean and at least reasonably pressed
clothes.  Then drive to the nearest shopping mall/center and walk
around looking and damn near everything.  As you're doing so, say "hi"
and give a smile to every woman who passes you by, and who is next to
you, and who is in front of you, or whatever.  The smile doesn't have
to be this big cheesy grin, but whatever is your normal, comfortable
way of smiling.  {Any kind of smile shows you're not depressed, nor
someone to be afraid of.}

Doing nothing else but giving a simple smile and "hi" to everyone,
you come back here on Monday and tell me that not one woman stopped
dead in her tracks to say some things to you after you did nothing more
then smile and say "hi".

A simple smile and "hello" to everyone.  Cost nothing, takes no time,
won't hurt anyone.  Yet I'll bet most of you will rationalize out
some reason(s) why you can't do this, and/or it's not good, and/or all
kinds of other things, and then come back here looking for that magical
pill advice, that will bring you all the women you want.

Guess what?

I just gave you the "magical pill" advice.  If you can't or won't say
"hi" to everyone with a smile (so they quickly see they have nothing to
be afraid of), NOTHING Ross Jeffries gives you, Maniac gives you, NYC
gives you, Mystery gives you, I give you, or whoever, will work.

Now get out there and prove me wrong.  I dare you!

-- 
If you don't know in the first twenty minutes whether or not you're going to
have sex with the woman you just met, and whether or not you even want to,
you're not a seductionist.

  'o o'
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>Subject: field report David Shade "the kiss"
>From: David Shade davidshade@home.com 
>Date: Mon, 22 November 1999 08:52 AM EST
>Message-id: <38394A74.258C15C9@home.com>

BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
BRAVOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  :)

DUDE!  your skills have increased INCREDIBLY!  this was a FUCKING CLINIC!

sweeeeet!  :)

>After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
>one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
>attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.
>
>I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
>with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
>says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
>partied in this town for some time."

hahaha sweet.  you start the conversation with her and you don't WANT anything
from her that she isn't willing to give you (yet) like a blowjob.  you also get
her to DO SOMETHING FOR YOU making her feel like you are a worthy person to do
things for (watch that cognitive dissonance now!)

>She stares coldly for a moment and
>then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
>called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
>here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

good sign.  she could have instructed you to ANOTHER PLACE far away from her :)

>Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
>The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
>is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
>was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
>live now?"

HELLO!  BINGO!  notice the MARKED difference in the reaction to the same
statement "I used to live here"  one chick talks about the PAST and this chick
talks about the PRESENT... HIS present.  she is not interested in trivia games
like the other chick.  she is interested in David as a person :)

>I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
>there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
>day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
>relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."

ha!  cover all the bases

>She says "What is
>your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
>hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

PERFECT!  no names until they ASK for your name and don't ask for hers either. 
hehehe

>Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."

oh god no... here we goooo :)  PLEASE, PLEASE don't let this guy start reciting
poetry ladies :)  there ought to be a composite in the Post Office of David
with a piece of paper :/

>She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
>to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"

Nice softener and presupposition

>She motions to her
>friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
>poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
>Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

yeah.  speak softly intentionally so you pull her in

>she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
>to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
>look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
>and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
>makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
>She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
>does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

this is the funiest shit hahahaha you basically DICTATED all of this shit to
her and she went for it :)

>The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
>about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
>herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
>seeing this.

ha!  too late honey... you FUCKED IT UP!  yo... you never said which one was
the target.  were they BOTH viable targets?  did you approach the brunette ON
PURPOSE because she was the lesser of the two?  I know WHY you picked the
blonde, but other than that enthusiasm and desire to get to know you, was the
brunette an obstacle when you walked up or an alternative target?

>Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
>pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
>has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
>"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
>vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

this APPEARS to be a double problem.  she has never felt the IC (or so she
says) so you can't anchor that. she has also declared that she is damaged
goods.  I see how later you use the vulnerability to good advantage though.

>Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
>closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
>How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
>at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
>eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
>say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
>true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
>that God gave us.  A tool."

very nice. very nice.  chicks are always looking for a guy NOT to want them for
their bodies or for RAW, ANIMAL SEX!  they believe in some spiritual connection
that is a WORTHY reason for sex.  this ENTIRE SECTION is GOLD!  :)

>In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
>really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
>Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
>expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
>forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
>CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

tremendous.  using her bodies=gift... nice all around.

>She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
>nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
>which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
>moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
>do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
>hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

this is interesting.  this is where I would have HAD to kiss her... but I
understand what you are doing and I think you are absolutely right in this
instance.  once I see the green light, I throw that shit into GEAR!  I know you
are baiting her and structuring ops, but I would have switched up here... just
a little though :)

>Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
>her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
>into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
>then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

can you say a couple of words about this?  is it that kissing her neck is a
REWARD for her kissing you on the lips?  is kissing you on the lips some SIGN
that she wants to be with you?  is it just that SHE needs to initiate because
you are the seller and she is the buyer?  I personally ALWAYS go neck or ear
first.  then again, MY focus is to make her PHYSICALLY feel like she wants
more.  you have chosen to talk her down.

what do you think it meant when she put her face next to yours?  is her kissing
you on the lips the ONLY sign you will accept of her interest in you giving you
the green light to do more?  I am very interested in the logic or technique
behind this because I would have been all over her already.  if there is a
better logic here, I would like to consider it :)

>I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
>But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
>want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
>parents house with my two sons."

I understand saying you can't take her home... structuring the op for her to
take you somewhere else.  it seems premature though.  why are you talking about
this already?  why are you talking about taking her home?  why are you
considering changing venues and potentially breaking her state?

why use NEGATIVES like "but we can't do that"?  I understand it's a setup for
the next line about taking her home.  I think you were premature moving it to
this stage.  then again... you are the romantic and I am not.  you might not
consider fucking her in the bar bathroom or getting head from her out in your
car.

>She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
>old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
>she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
>This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
>values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
>Resources.

NOW look what happened to you :)  because of your POWER PLAY to get her to take
you home INSTEAD of getting her physically horny enough to grab your hand and
PULL YOU out of the place so SHE can get some dick... you are now having
another discussion and have fallen WAY off the path.  I know you pull it back
later :) but you had her in a PRIME position BEFORE you came up with "we can't
do that".  what was your reasoning as to WHY you can't do that?  was that a
test to get her to say "I WANT to do that?"  I really don't get it.  please
enlighten me.  at this point, going with the A instead of the K seems to have
FUMBLED!

>Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
>mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
>listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
>just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
>When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
>THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
>yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
>agrees.

nice vulnerability reference

>our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
>be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
>my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."
>
>I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
>man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
>makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

nice

>She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
>now?"

EXCELLENT sign.  it is always good when she asks you about your status.

>I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
>"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
>the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
>with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
>(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)

I can't tell if the following is in RESPONSE to your pattern or INTERRUPTING
your pattern.  I assumed she heard some song called Lolita?

>She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
>her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
>you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
>"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
>proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."

uh-oh...  gentlemen... START YOUR ENGINES!  I would have STEAMROLLED HER for a
remark like that!  :)  I probably would have started with "you? :)  come on! 
ha.  please.  how good a slut would YOU be?" and challenged her to REALLY get
into character.  PUT-UP or SHUT-UP!

>I say "You like to
>allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
>"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
>I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
>you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
>that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
>There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

oh she would have caught it for this shit :)

>I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
>men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
>your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
>strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
>can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
>sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
>you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
>say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
>(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
>(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
>and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
>time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
>FEEL SO HOT."
>
>She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
>hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
>her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
>breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
>lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
>mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
>"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
>HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
>of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
>the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
>Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
>slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
>brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.

nice

>I do not move into her or tilt my head.

moving on girls is subtle but important.  I leaned in to kiss this pivot I was
hanging out with the other day and she DELIBERATELY moved around to kiss me on
the cheek.  HAHAHA I felt like a fucking idiot!  so the rest of the time we
spent together, I gave her NO LOVE!  she tried to grab my arm french-promenade
style and I never bent it HAHAHA her hand was sliding down my jacket... she
looked SOOO STUPID like princess leia hanging on to luke or something hahaha :)
 when I was leaving her I didn't move on her AT ALL and then she came to me and
gave me a long hug... so I felt her ass up and left :)

I ALWAYS move on chicks because my plan is to intimidate them into action or
ejecting ASAP.  a chick won't last A DAY with me without getting pressured in
some fashion.  with this style though, you are DETERMINED to talk her down and
create the DESIRE in her to go after YOU, making you the seller and not the
buyer.  I think the style of making her take sex from you is interesting... not
a style that I would use, but it is very effective sometimes.  when I tell
chicks I don't find them attractive, they suddenly want to tell me how hot they
look dressed up and flirt with me and get me back on the bandwagon-to-NOWHERE!
:)

>I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
>ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
>I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
>puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.
>
>Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
>passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
>her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
>proper educated professional woman.
>
>Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
>around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
>Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
>her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
>SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
>FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
>ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
>holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
>so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
>like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
>rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
>her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
>like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

right here... you are WAY in there!  I mean extract this chick to a dark area,
bathroom or car with tinted windows and you're SET!

>I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
>she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing to her. 
yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you want her.
 there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break her
state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and make her
BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you inside
me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact that she
CRAVES PENETRATION!

you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she would not
do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  maybe
sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have sex in
public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not wanting to
have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is truly a
slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at all. 
what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her mother is
visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to have any
random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives in a
FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming she would
RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  pay
attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE you
listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  that
shit about a strong man was really great.

right here... you should have started role-playing.

she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that man.  be
her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  I happen
to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary to
complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, and I
realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use on a
normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my regular
kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what REALLY made
her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE orgasm she
could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should have
ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off somewhere and
shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the romantic
and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee you it
would have been worth it. :)

you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's doing in a
crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  you should
have gotten into character and USED HER!

>I go for the
>close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
>with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
>me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."
>
>She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
>me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.
>
>She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
>can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.

OH GOD!

now this is the SECOND time she broke state.  and you know what you did BOTH
TIMES?  you pressed for the "take me home" shit and never switched gears to
kino and action.  perhaps she was NEVER going to fuck you that night at all,
but I think she was ready for some action.  YOU are the man at this shit and
YES I read all the way to the end where you get her for the good relationship
on your terms and all that... but this is where I say get off of autopilot. 
talking her into bed is one thing, but talking her into being horny, THEN doing
what has made populations exist for THOUSANDS OF YEARS is another.  I say talk
her into the mood, the FUCK HER OUT OF THE MOOD!  I say you had her and she
came out of state because you were talking when you should have been kissing
and feeling.

was there a particular reason that you WANTED to go HOME with this chick?  I
don't get it.

>She asks
>her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
>talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
>last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
>Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
>over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
>"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

ok.  now there you have a reason.  she could NOT go home with you because she
had to take her friend to her house.  there was NO WAY she was leaving without
that girl.  when YOU KEPT TELLING HER let's go home, she was breaking state
because home was reminding her of the brunette and of her son and of her
ex-husband and of REAL LIFE!  stop it stop it stop it.  once you get them in
the fantasy, KEEP THEM FANTASIZING!  you created GREAT states for her and she
was loving it... you have to capitalize on these gains ASAP and move into the K
realm and get yours!

>I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
>kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
>for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
>says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
>to Detroit."

there you go again.  more negative remarks.  I see what you were trying to do,
but she was NOT suggestible by this point.  you are talking about doing things
tonight and her response is about her girlfriend... she is not connected now. 
DRIVE TO DETROIT?  what kind of response is that for a woman that is in your
face NOW?  I guarantee you that a woman that is willing to DRIVE TO DETROIT to
be alone with you would have SUBMITTED to you when you had her in state and
followed you WHEREVER to get fucked (like the bathroom of the bar)

>wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
>chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
>for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
>received."

I like this :)  referencing the kiss and acting like it meant something to you.
 that it was different from other kisses you received from other women.  there
was some spiritual connection that you made with her that you had not felt
befor or since... you can go a long way with what YOU felt from a kiss...
interesting :)

>I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
>fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
>fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
>settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
>want that too."

this is a good stance.  I am in popular demand.  don't bullshit me.  don't
waste my time.  don't lie to me and cheat DESERVING women out of spending time
with me that you are hogging up.  the "mutually fulfilling" part is good too
because it shows that you are not ONLY interested in your pleasure (and in this
case, spiritual nourishment) but hers is EQUALLY important.

>I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
>talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
>are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
>are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
>feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
>can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
>we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
>give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
>sentence.)

oh shit :)  until I read the parens, I passed right over it.  I knew they were
in the wrong places, but everybody does typos :)  sweet.  more dictation.  I
have to add more FEEL statements into my speech patterns.

>The following night, Friday, she calls me.

ha!

>am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
>especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
>hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
>"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."

sweet.  since I am never lonely, I never considered playing the "hold me...
PLEASE!" angle.  this is a PERFECT way to structure ANY op to get with a chick.
 I always call them because I want something from them or I want to go
somewhere and I request their company.  I never call them out of NEED for
myself.  I never structure the op for them to help ME!  I never give them a
chance to be someone special for me.  I will try this out.  HAHAHAHA I love
this!  then it's the good old cascade.  she comforted me, so now she has an
emotional investment in me.  I seem emotional AND I can use that to RECIPROCATE
and REWARD her for being there for me, which gives her even MORE incentive to
be there for me.  meanwhile she is building equity in my eyes (as far as she's
concerned) I feel differently about her because she serves a different purpose
to me than T&A.  I have a spiritual connection to her and she can bring another
element into my life that other women can't.  when I request to see her, it
will be for her "spirit" and not her body... then I can go into that stuff you
used before about when I feel this spiritual connection, I want to give you the
gift of my body blah blah blah... veeeeery interesting :)

>She says "And
>what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
>deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
>intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

nice

>She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
>passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
>It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
>it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
>mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
>person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
>other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
>not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
>realized how much I need it."

that, gentlemen is what it's ALL about.  give them something that they WANT and
are not getting on a regular basis.  they will SEEK YOU OUT to get more of it.

>I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
>experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
>without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
>you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."

that was a really good line :)  I missed the relevance to kids the first time I
read this.  I thought you were DICTATING to her not to want a deep
relationship, but you were referencing the relationship with the guy that she
doesn't like any more but is attached to his kids.  that was a multiple-win
setup.  nice.

>She says "Are you asking me or are
>you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
>considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
>would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
>involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
>that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
>ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
>FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

excellent.  I have learned from that section :)  I still would NEVER have
gotten here because I would have fucked around with her in the bar without any
conversation of ANYTHING and then SHE would have been playing catch-up if there
were things she WANTED other than fun and sex from our "relationship".  since
you have gotten to this point though, it is a really great idea to DEFINE the
boundaries in the beginning so that she knows and agrees what she's getting
into.




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>She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
>out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
>good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
>Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
>"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
>be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
>say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
>say good night.

I do the same thing.  make THEM make all the plans.  SHE wants to see ME.  I am
doing her the favor of hanging out with her and showing her a good time.  SHE
needs to make it happen.

>We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
>place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
>say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
>look forward to our conversation."

good... you might bag her BEFORE going ANYWHERE.  "having a drink" was CLEARLY
an excuse for her to come and see you.

>I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
>Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
>specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
>my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
>realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

I will have to start collecting trance words.  I don't use them to the effect
that you did throughout this CLINIC!  I use them to find out what is missing in
her life, then I throw them away.  I have never used this hardcore
dictation-style.  storytelling fits right in with this because you were telling
her a story the whole time.

>Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
>When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
>she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
>pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
>small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
>will not be in until noon the next day.

CHA-CHING!

>The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
>level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
>other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.
>
>I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
>trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
>comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
>tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
>begin reading the story.
>
>By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
>her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
>smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

nice

>She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
>gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
>and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
>broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
>he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
>you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
>me feel warm and fuzzy."

that's why TYPE doesn't matter.  he was PHYSICALLY her type and could have
fucked her whenever he wanted, but he only made her feel LUST which was not
enough for this chick.  she needed PASSION.  she didn't have it for him and he
didn't have it for her.  you created... DICTATED passion to her, and she felt
it and loved it.  she FELT passionate about you and felt that you felt it too
for her.

>I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
>making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
>morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
>early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

damn... you got really good at those FEEL statements.

>She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
>noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
>like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
>time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
>to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
>syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."

HA!  ok now... WHERE did that come from? that is a blatantly sexual reference. 
what CUE did you get to change to this type of talk?

>She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
>selected that night, why did you choose me?"

this is IT friends... the LAST question.  if he passes this one, it's his :) 
she is ready to go.  she just wants affirmation that she is doing the right
thing.

>I say "After having gone
>to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
>is common.

nice

>I could go into any night club and I could begin
>conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
>beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
>continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
>you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
>says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
>us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
>right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
>the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

hahahahaha

>Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
>bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
>conversation the other night, you made me cum."

what conversation is she talking about?  the one where you told her you wanted
to get together with her?  or was there another one?

>I say "I am so happy to
>hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
>touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
>to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

see that.  now let's backtrack to the bar when you had her in your arms.  if
you had licked her neck INSTEAD of TALKING about going home with her, you would
have gotten a reaction.  SHE would have requested sex because of how hot she
felt from you LICKING HER!  talking about going home did NOTHING for her. 
besides, you were premature because "going home" with you didn't mean anything
to her yet.  you gave her no PHYSICAL reason to believe you could make her cum,
AND you didn't elicit what she likes in sex until NOW!  she had NO incentive to
take you home at all.  she DID have incentive to give you your shot to prove
your FOREPLAY skills.  chicks will lay a guy with EXCELLENT foreplay.  if you
can make her feel like that without fucking her, IMAGINE when you get to the
REAL SHIT!  that's why you need to TALK... until it's time NOT to talk.

>Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
>kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
>look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
>a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
>room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
>"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
>coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
>my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
>other.
>
>David Shade

excellent ending and overall excellent post.

you do realize however that you could have BYPASSED the "get a drink" idea. 
don't take chicks LITERALLY.  she drove all that way to get FUCKED!  not to
have an alcoholic beverage.  when she came to your house, you should have A)
offered her a drink to get started "before you go to the bar".  she would have
agreed.  then, before she finishes her drink...

"I have written a story to tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would
love to hear it!"
I begin reading the story.....

Awesome Seduction Clinic

Maniac High — Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

"The Kiss":  Another fucking excellent seduction by David Shade!


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My fellow asf ng buddies. Ever since finishing Ross' basic home study
course, I have been having a lot more fun in the night clubs.  I have
found that SS works just as well there as it does everywhere else.

I first meet Suzanne about two months ago................

On a Friday night my two sons and I make the two hour drive to spend an
overnight at my parents house.  As my parents dote over their two
grandchildren, I excuse myself to go check out the night life down town
where I used to party years ago.

After checking out a number of places, I eventually make my way to this
one large crowded loud night club.  By now it is about 12:30 AM.  My
attention is grabbed by a blonde and a brunette standing at the bar.

I approach the brunette and say "Excuse me, I know you are having a beer
with your friend, but can I ask you something?"  She looks at me but
says nothing.  I say "Do you know the best place to go?  I have not
partied in this town for some time."  She stares coldly for a moment and
then says "Here."  I say "Thank you.  I used to come here when it was
called  "  She says "Oh. Do you remember when  used to play
here?"  I say "No, but do you remember when  used to play here?"

Then the blonde motions to the brunette as if to ask what is going on.
The brunette tells the blonde "He is asking where the best place to go
is."  I say to the blonde "Yes, I used to live here some time ago and I
was wondering what is the best place to go."  She says "Where do you
live now?"  I say "The Detroit area."  She says "Oh, what do you do
there?"  I say "I am an engineer, but I am only analytical during the
day."  She laughs heartily at this one.  I continue with "After work I
relax and enjoy being a human, and being creative."  She says "What is
your name?"  I extend my hand and say "My name's David."  She shakes my
hand and says "My name's Suzanne."

These two women appear to be sober and alert.  Suzanne has a much better
attitude.

Suzanne then asks me "So, do you paint?"  I say "No, I write poetry."
She says "Really?"  I say "Yes, and if I were to recite one of my poems
to you, would you give me your honest opinion?"  She motions to her
friend and says "He is going to tell us a poem."  I want to direct my
poem only to Suzanne.  I look at Suzanne as I start Nick Fortune's "Two
Eyes."  She finds that she has to put her ear near my mouth to hear.

When I am done, she says "That was beautiful!  Are you a very spiritual
person?"  I say "Yes I am.  Would you consider yourself to be a very
spiritual person?"  She says "Oh yes.  You know, I used to date a guy
who lived in the Detroit area, so I know the area pretty well.  Where do
you live?"  I say "I live in  "  She says "Oh I know where that is.
I used to go to  and  night club when I dated him. (two gothic
clubs) I am not into gothic clothing or any of that stuff, but I liked
how it was so different.  You could feel free to be who you wanted to
be.  He was different too."  I asked her how he was different and she
said he was exciting, but, the relationship broke up due to "issues" he
had.  She felt as if he was always comparing her to his ex girl friend
and that she did not really feel that she was the most "special person"
to him.  She said it did not make her feel "beautiful" or "sexy."  I
look her directly in the eyes and move my face slightly closer to hers
and say "You want to be with (sp) a man who makes YOU FEEL BEAUTIFUL and
makes YOU FEEL SEXY and makes YOU FEEL LIKE THE MOST SPECIAL PERSON."
She says "Oh yes.  I don't know why I am telling you all this."  She
does not wait for a response, but instead continues talking.

She speaks about how he was too "dark" and depressing.  I motion away
and say "Dark is too depressing."  She says "Yes, I look at life
differently.  I look at the glass as being half full."  I say "That is a
very optimistic way to look at things. (sp)"  She corrects me with "It
is a positive way to look at things.  I am a very positive person."  I
motion away and say "You don't want to be with a depressing person,
instead, you want to be with (sp) a different exciting man who has a
positive outlook on life."

The brunette never interrupted us and Suzanne had totally forgotten
about her.  The brunette goes around to behind Suzanne and introduces
herself to some guy standing there, and then she checks to see if I am
seeing this.

Suzanne and I have established good rapport, so I go into the IC
pattern.  She says "Oh no!  That has never happened to me!"  I say "That
has never happened to you?"  She says "I am too protective."  I say
"What do you mean?" She says "I put up a wall to protect my
vulnerability.  I have been hurt too many times."

Then she looks me directly in the eyes and moves her face a little
closer and says "I could tell you were an older man." I say "Thank you.
How could you tell I am a more mature man?"  She says "Because you look
at me right in the eyes.  Young men cannot look at me right in the
eyes."  I move closer to her face and look intensely into her eyes and
say "I think the eyes are the windows to the spirit."  She says "Oh, so
true, the spirit is what we truly are.  Our bodies are just the gift
that God gave us.  A tool."

In my deepest, most sensual voice, I say "Yes, so true.  In order to
really get to know (sp) someone, you must look deep into their spirit.
Only when YOU TRULY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) can you use this tool of
expression, and SHARE THE GIFT OF OUR BODIES so deeply (motion back and
forth.)  When YOU REALLY KNOW THIS PERSON (sp) YOU FEEL FREE to
CELEBRATE THIS GIFT that brings our spirits so much closer together."

She slowly moves the tip of her nose to almost touch the tip of my
nose.  She lets her breasts touch my chest.  I softly hold her hand
which is hanging at her side.  We stare into each other's eyes for a
moment.  I then look at her lips and go into the first kiss pattern.  I
do it very slowly and sensually.  I lick my lips but she does not lick
hers.  I tilt my head slightly to one, but she does not move any closer.

Then, she drops her head back exposing her neck.  I would love to kiss
her neck but she did not kiss my lips.  So I simply describe very softly
into her ear how it would feel for her to have her neck kissed.  She
then puts the side of her face just next to the side of mine.

I say "If we keep doing this, we are going to GET SO INCREDIBELY HOT.
But we can't do that."  I respectfully back away and say "As much as I
want to take you home with me tonight, I can't.  I am staying at my
parents house with my two sons."  She says "Oh, I have a son too.  How
old are yours?"  It turns out she had been married from age 18 to 21 and
she has a young son whom she and her ex husband have joint custody of.
This is her week off.  We talk about raising children and shared
values.  She has her undergraduate and masters degree in Human
Resources.

Then she says "You are a good listener."  I say "Thank you.  How do you
mean?"  She says "Most people just say 'yeah, ahum, yeah' but you really
listen to what I say."  I reply with "There is a big difference between
just hearing someone (point away) and really listening to someone (sp).
When YOU REALLY LISTEN TO THIS PERSON (sp) you feel that YOU REALLY KNOW
THIS PERSON and it allows you to FEEL FREE WITH THIS PERSON to allow
yourself to BECOME VULNERABLE TO THIS PERSON."  She enthusiastically
agrees.

Then she brings attention to herself, and brings the conversation back
to sex, by saying "Do you know the  club on the other side of town?"
I say "No."  She says "It's a gay bar."  (I think she is talking about a
bar for gay men, but she means a bar for lesbian women.)  She continues
with "My friend and I went there last week just for kicks.  This one
woman came up to me and said 'Your breasts are so large' and she said
'and they are so UP'."  Suzanne is obviously very proud of her breasts
and they are very sensual for her and she has noticed that her eyes are
the only thing that I have looked at.  Suzanne continues with "If I had
been born with small breasts, I would not have them enlarged.  I think
our bodies are our bodies.  They are what God gave us.  I once wanted to
be a model, but I will not eat just two cucumber slices a day. This is
my body.  Also, a person has to accept me for what I am."

I say "Yes, your man (sp) is a man who accepts you for what you are.  A
man who makes YOU FEEL like the special woman that you are.  A man who
makes YOU FEEL SO BEAUTIFUL.  A man who makes YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY."

She says "I am not seeing anyone right now.  Are you seeing anyone right
now?"  I say "No."  She says "What does David want in a woman?"  I say
"David wants..."  She laughs and interrupts me with "No, let's not talk in
the third person."  We share a laugh and I start over with "I want to be
with a woman... (I lightly touch the upper part of her sternum) who has...
(I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern and motion back and forth.)
She says "Lolita."  I say "What?"  She says "lo-LEE-ta!" and she swings
her hips and flings one arm in the air.  I say "Lolita?"  She says "Have
you ever seen that movie?"  I say "What was that movie about?"  She says
"It was about a woman named Lolita.  Sometimes I am Lolita.  I am a very
proper woman, but sometimes I am Lolita.  A slut."  I say "You like to
allow that woman inside you to come out."  She corrects me and says
"That little girl" as she puts her hand to show the height of the girl.
I correct my statement with "You like to allow that little girl inside
you to come out."  She says "Oh yes.  Most men cannot deal with the fact
that I am a very sensual woman, that at times I want to be a slut.
There is nothing wrong with it, but they just cannot deal with it."

I know that this woman wants a strong man.  I motion away and say "Some
men are not strong enough to deal with a very sensual woman, but (sp)
your strong man can bring out the slut in you."  She says "Are you a
strong man?"  I reply by challenging her: "Are you the type of woman who
can ALLOW YOURSELF TO FEEL FREE with this man (sp).  Can you (touch her
sternum) give permission to your strong man to be gentle yet strong with
you?"  She says "Can you deal with a woman who wants to be a slut?"  I
say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to take this proper woman
(touch her sternum) and melt down her walls and make YOU FEEL SO OPEN
(slide finger slowly down her sternum) and make YOU FEEL SO VULNERABLE
and make YOU FEEL SO SEXY."   She has the doggy dinner bowl look big
time, so I slide my finger down into her cleavage and say "and make YOU
FEEL SO HOT."

She looks at my hand that is pointing at her cleavage and she takes my
hand and slides it down over her breast.  She watches as I softly hold
her breast while her hand still softly covers my hand.  She presses her
breast against my hand.  I feel her nipple erection through her thin
lacy bra.  She drops her head back and allows her body to fall against
mine.  He ear is next to my mouth.  I say very sensually into her ear
"And make YOU FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
SENSUAL....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY SEXY....and make YOU FEEL SO VERY
HOT."  She puts her free hand behind my head and slowly slides the side
of her face back against mine until our lips are very close.  She allows
the tip of her tongue to slide out between her lips just so slightly.
Then she gently bites her bottom lip.  She looks at my lips and then she
slowly tilts her head to one side and closes her eyes and very slowly
brings her lips to mine and softly kisses me.  I do not move into her or
tilt my head.  I allow her to lead for a while.  Then she opens her lips
ever so slightly and begins kissing me passionately.  Now I partake and
I kiss her back passionately.  She removes her hand from my hand and
puts it behind my head.  I put my free hand on the back of her waist.

Right there, at the bar, in this crowded night club, we are kissing
passionately with her hands on the back of my head while I firmly fondle
her breast.  Only one hour after first meeting this completely sober
proper educated professional woman.

Then she drops her head back again exposing her neck and wraps her arms
around my neck to place her neck very closely to me.  I kiss her neck.
Then I make my way up to her ear and I sensually yet strongly say into
her ear "You FEEL SO VERY SPECIAL....You FEEL SO VERY BEAUTIFUL....You FEEL
SO VERY SENSUAL....You FEEL SO VERY SEXY....You FEEL SO VERY EXCITED....You
FEEL SO VERY HOT....You are so HOT you cannot stand it....You are so TURNED
ON that you must have this....You FEEL LIKE THE SLUT THAT YOU ARE."  She
holds on tighter.  I really go for it now and say "You have to have this
so fcking badly.  You need this so fcking badly.  You want to be fcked
like the slut that you are."  She starts moaning.  She lifts one leg and
rubs the inside of her thigh against the outside of my thigh.  I hold
her breast even more firmly and say "You want to be fcked so fcking hard
like the slut that you are."  She moans even more.

I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it before
she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.  I go for the
close.  I say "We are making each other so fcking hot.  We need to be
with each other tonight.  This is cruel.  I can't take you home with
me.  We can't think about how incredible it would be."

She stands still, lowers her leg, and brings forward her head to look at
me, and she agrees.  She does not offer to take me home with her.

She says "But I can give you my number and you can give me yours and you
can call me!"  We compose ourselves and turn towards the bar.  She asks
her friend for a piece of paper and a pen.  The brunette is no longer
talking to anyone.  Suzanne and I exchange numbers.  She includes her
last name.  She then wants to exchange email addresses, so we do that.
Then she goes to the bathroom.  It is last call.  The brunette comes
over to me and starts conversation.  When Suzanne returns she says to me
"My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Walk us to my car."

I walk her to her car with her friend in tow.  Suzanne and I embrace and
kiss one last time.  I say "It is too bad that tonight cannot continue
for hours more.  We cannot think about how incredible it would be."  She
says "My friend is staying at my place tonight.  Call me.  I can drive
to Detroit."

I call her 2 days later.  We have a one hour conversation sharing with
each other what has been going on in our lives.  We agree to speak again
soon.  A few nights later she calls and we speak for about another
hour.  She is very busy with her job and a business she had started.
She is too busy to get together in the near future.

Our communication then goes to email.  She continues to report how busy
she is with work and her business and with her son.  The emails
eventually die down.  I got one email in which she says she really wants
to get together, but it is a bad time.  Then I do not hear from her.  I
wait about 2 weeks and send her an email saying "If we never get the
chance to enjoy each other's company again, I just wanted to thank you
for giving me the most incredible, unforgettable, kiss I have ever
received."

About a week later I receive this email: "I have been distant, although
I have thought about you.  Currently I am working on some personal
issues regarding a relationship.  I have been consumed with confusion.
I don't want to say this, but maybe the timing for us was not right.
Unfortunately, I have to be distant right now, until I solve some
problems in my life.  Thank you for sweetness.  When things settle down
maybe we can talk.  I am glad that I met you.  I wish our paths could
cross again very soon."

I wait a few days and respond with: "When we met, you said that you no
longer had any issues concerning past relationships.  I expect when
someone is interested in me, that they are genuine about their
intentions. I would hope that you meant all the things that you said to
me that night.  I will not be a one night 'nightclub' flirtatious
fantasy.  That happens all too often.  I am interested in a mutually
fulfilling relationship based on mutual trust and respect.  I will not
settle for anything less.  There are many honest and genuine women who
want that too."

She sends me back a long email detailing how she became attached to the
guy's two kids and now she misses them even though she does not miss
him.  I do not respond the her email, but I do make note of her trance
words.  About 4 days later she sends this email: "I was hoping to hear a
response from you?  I had emailed you on Sunday, did you receive it?
Please let me know if you are still interested in having contact with me
or should we not write or talk anymore?  I hope that you don't feel that
way.  I look forward to your response."

I reply using some of her trance words: "I am still interested in
talking.  I understand becoming attached to children. I know that you
are a very up beat person, as well as a strong independent woman.  You
are also a very beautiful and special woman.  Hopefully soon you will
feel comfortable with the idea of seeing me again.  When you honestly
can say to yourself that, you are ready to again enjoy the company that
we enjoyed together, and, you feel that you want to get together, then
give me a call."  (Notice the placement of commas in that last
sentence.)

The following night, Friday, she calls me.  We start with small talk
about how busy we are.  Eventually the conversation must move to what
happened in our emails.  So I say "I received an interesting email from
you."  She says "I received an interesting email from you.  Why did you
think I was still in a relationship?"  I say "That was the tone of your
email."  She explained again how she was no longer interested in him but
did still miss the relationship she had with his children.  She wants to
see the children but does not want him to see that as her still being
interested in him.

She regretted that she got to know his kids so early in the
relationship.  It was because of the kids that she continued to see him
even though she allowed her self esteem to suffer.  She said "Now I am
happy.  Now I am working on my self esteem.  That is how I want to feel,
whether I am alone or in a relationship.  I will not allow that to
happen again.  I have been wounded.  But they are not permanent
injuries."

Then she asks me "Are you happy?"  I say "I am happy.  I am content.
Whether I am in a relationship or not.  I have come to this point.  I
was wounded, badly, but that was a long time ago.  I am completely
healed and I have no issues.  I will not allow that to happen again.  I
am very happy, but there is just one thing missing.  Sometimes,
especially at this time of night, I miss having someone, someone to
hold, someone special to cherish."  She asks "Are you lonely?"  I say
"At times I am lonely.  Sometimes at this time of night."  She says "And
what is it that you seek when you feel lonely?"  I say "I want to feel a
deep incredible connection - on all levels of intimacy - emotional,
intellectual, physical, and spiritual."

She says "Everything in my relationship was fine, except there was no
passion.  Without passion sex is just mechanical.  I need the passion.
It is something that is either there or is not.  You just know it when
it is there.  It is in the look."  I say "Sex without passion is just
mechanical.  When there is passion, you know it when you look into this
person's eyes.  Like that night we met, when we looked deeply into each
other's eyes, we both knew."  She says "It is the passion I miss.  I did
not realize it until that night we met.  Ever since that night I have
realized how much I need it."

I say "Then you are probably wondering if there is a way where you can
experience passion again without getting into a deep relationship,
without involving children, without compromising your self esteem, where
you can FEEL HAPPY ABOUT YOURSELF."  She says "Are you asking me or are
you telling me?"  I say "I am saying that is probably what you have been
considering."  She says "Would you like to get together?"  I say "I
would like that, but only under the condition that there will be no
involvement of children, that there will not be a heavy relationship,
that you feel that YOU HAVE A HIGH SELF ESTEEM, that you feel that YOU
ARE TRULY HAPPY, and that we can take the time to get to know that WE
FEEL THE PASSION BETWEEN US."

She says "OK."  I say "OK."  She says "I will drive to you and we can go
out for a drink."  I say "That would be great."  She says "When would be
good for you?"  I say "When is good for you?"  She says "How about
Sunday night?"  I say "I have my sons until Sunday night."  She says
"How about Monday night?"  I say "That would be good."  She says "I will
be done working out by 7.  I can be there by 9.  How do I get there?"  I
say "I will email you detailed directions and a map."  She agrees and we
say good night.

We did not discuss a location to meet - whether it be a bar or my
place.  The next day I email her directions to my place.  In the email I
say "When you get here, we will go to a nearby place to have a drink.  I
look forward to our conversation."

I spend some time during the weekend preparing a story that I will tell
Suzanne.  It is based on Bishop's "Necklace" pattern, but tailored
specifically to Suzanne and using Suzanne's trance words.  I know that
my story is corny as hell, and obviously contrived, but I have come to
realize that Ross is right that women each this shit up.

Monday night at 9:00 I print off the story and put it in my jacket.
When Suzanne arrives, she calls her friend (the brunette) to tell her
she arrived OK.  Then we get into my car for the drive to the local
pub.  Suzanne is very talkative and there is no problem maintaining
small talk.  She mentions that she has told her people at work that she
will not be in until noon the next day.

The pub is crowded.  We find a table against the wall.  Due to the noise
level, we have to sit next to each other on the bench seat to hear each
other.  The waitress comes by and we order a drink.

I do not want any more small talk and I want to get Suzanne into a
trance right away, so just as soon as we are settled in and feeling
comfortable, I bring out the story.  I say "I have written a story to
tell you."  She says "Oh really?  Oh my.  I would love to hear it!"  I
begin reading the story.

By the end of the story, Suzanne is a bright pink and has a big smile on
her face.  She looks at me and says "WHO was that about?"  I just
smile.  She says "Was that about us?"  I say "It could be."

I want us to now traverse the timeline of our relationship to date in
reverse chronological order.  I have found that this works very well.
So I say "I enjoyed our phone conversation the other night.  I was glad
that we came to an understanding of each other's situation."  She says
"Yes.  What is your situation?"  I say "My major concern is that I never
want to get married again."  She says "Oh me too.  I think it is just a
piece of paper."  I say "I agree.  When two people truly want to make
this work (motion) then they can keep it exciting."  She says "And how
do two people keep it exciting?"  I say "By being creative."

She says "You don't just listen, you really hear."  I say "Thank you.  I
want to really hear what it is you say."  She says "You do.  You really
have a skill for communication."  I say "I believe it is all about
communication.  Only with communication can there be that deep rapport
that allows us to FEEL CLOSE to each other."

She says "You are very honest with your feelings."  I say "Thank you.
How do you mean?"  She says "Like when you said 'I do not want a one
night stand.'"  I say "Correct, I do not want a one night stand.  If I
have you tonight, I will want you again and again.  If tonight is going
to be just a one night stand, then I am not interested in having sex
with you."  She says "No No.  I mean when you said that you did not want
a one night nightclub flirtatious fantasy.  I think you said 'I will not
stand for that'."  I say "Oh yes.  Yes, that is correct."  She says "I
was a bit surprised that you would just come right out and tell me
that.  That told me that you speak what is on your mind no matter what
anybody thinks.  You are very truthful with your feelings."

I look into her eyes and say "Speaking about that night, I want to thank
you for giving me the most incredible... unforgettable... kiss I have ever
received."  She says "Do you remember when I put my face next to yours?"
And she brings the side of her face next to the side of mine.  I softly
say into her ear "Do you remember when I described to you how wonderful
it would feel for me to kiss your neck, all the way down, and then all
the way up."

She looks at me and says "You are a smart man.  You are unlike other
men.  A woman connects emotions with sex, but for most men, it is
separate.  But for you, you connect emotion with sex."  I say "I do
connect emotion with sex.  I am not interested unless there is that
strong emotional connection.  Now, as for women, I think women
compartmentalize in a special way..." And I go into Major Mark's
"compartments" pattern.  I plant an anchor with a wrist squeeze.

I say "You know, we live 2 hours apart.  That is kinda like a long
distance relationship."  I go into Bishop's "Long Distance Relationship"
pattern.  She loves it.  At the end of the pattern, she says "But we
live close enough to where if we have to have it right now, we can do
it."  I say "Yes, when YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS (sp) RIGHT NOW, when YOU
ARE SO EXCITED that YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS, you can HAVE THIS TONIGHT."

She says "You know, I used to know this guy.  He was drop dead
gorgeous.  But he did not interest me.  We would play tennis together
and he would sweat and he would take off his shirt.  He was tall and
broad. I know he wanted to sleep with me.  But as beautiful as he was,
he did not interest me, because he had nothing interesting to say.  But
you, everything you say, is so fascinating, so warm and fuzzy.  You make
me feel warm and fuzzy."  I say "Nothing gives me greater pleasure than
making YOU FEEL SO GOOD."  She says "He used to call me at 5:30 in the
morning and want to go play tennis.  I hated that.  You don't get up
early do you, you go in at about 9, right?"  I say yes.

She says "What time do you get up on the weekends?"  I say "About
noon."  She laughs and says "Well I don't get up that late, but I do
like to take my time about things."  I say "I like to get up and take my
time about making pancakes.  In fact, some Saturday morning I would like
to make you some pancakes, and I would take my time about dripping maple
syrup on you and then slowly licking it all off."  She says "Ohhh that
would be nice."  I say "You know what is really fun, on a warm Saturday,
when YOU ARE REALLY HOT, is when you can have fun with ice cubes.  I
don't mean putting ice cubes directly on your skin.  I mean when I take
and hold the ice cube in my hand and let the ice cube slowly melt and
let the cold water droplets drip onto your skin, and let it send shivers
all throughout your body, and let it drip here..." (I touch the top of her
sternum, firing off an anchor from the last time we were together.)
"And let it drip here..." (I touch a little lower.)  "And let it drip
here..."  (I touch into her cleavage.)  She says "Oh yes.  ALL the way
down."  I say "Oh yes, and send the shivers all the way down."

She says "Why me?  I mean, why me?  Of all the woman you could have
selected that night, why did you choose me?"  I say "After having gone
to the night clubs for so many years, I have cum to realize that beauty
is common.  I could go into any night club and I could begin
conversation with any number of beautiful women, but it takes more than
beauty to interest me."  I recite Ross' "special qualities" pattern.  I
continue with "Soon after you and I began talking, I began to feel that
you might posses those qualities.  And you know how I knew that?"  She
says "How?"  I say "Because I felt that incredible connection between
us.  I felt it right here."  I point to my solar plexus.  She says "Yes,
right here."  And she points to her solar plexus.  She says "It is like
the sun.  It is warm and fuzzy."

She then asks me "What is your favorite color?"  I say "That is a good
question."  She says "Like for clothes, what colors do you like to
wear?"  I say "I like black and white."  She says "I do too."  I ask
"What is your favorite color, I mean, when you think of passion, what
color would that be?"  She says "Oh, that would be red!"  I say "And
when you SEE THIS RED, BRIGHTLY, CLEARLY, how does that make you feel?"
She says "It makes me feel hot."

Then she moves her face very close to mine and says "You know, I was a
bad girl."  I say "Is that so?  How is that?"  She says "After our phone
conversation the other night, you made me cum."  I say "I am so happy to
hear that.  How did I make you cum?"  She just smiles.  I say "Was I
touching you?"  She says "No.  You were licking me and then making love
to me.  I love it like that, going from one right into the other."

Then she proceeds slowly to give me another incredible, unforgettable
kiss.  It gets deeper and hotter.  I pull back and look around and then
look at her and say "Everybody is probably saying 'Those two should get
a room'."  She laughs and says "Yes."  I say "Hey, we SHOULD get a
room."  She says "Yes, we SHOULD get a room."  I say "OK."  She says
"OK."  And then she jumps up and grabs her coat so I jump up and grab my
coat.  I take her hand and we walk quickly to my car.  We drive back to
my place where we spend hours doing delightfully lurid things to each
other.

David Shade