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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

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From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

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Ken uses 4 questions and rock/scissors paper opener that leads to a kiss close!



From x0730@aol.com Mon Oct 23 09:52:01 2000
From: x0730@aol.com (X0730)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Stupid, fun games to get kino in clubs, some questions
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Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:25:25 GMT

Here is what I have been using:

1)  4 magic questions.  I posted this a few days ago.  Usually when you tell a
chick what her responses mean you will get a good response.  I take that
opportunity to step up the kino.
2)  Rock+Paper+Scissors to get a kiss.  I used this a few days ago in a club to
get mad kino.  I can't believe this fucking worked.  I picked out the hottest
HB in the whole club and went from "hi" to making out in 5 minutes.  I am not a
master PUA or great looking guy, but I am starting to get the hang of it. 
Anyway, this is basically how I used this:

We were on the dance floor fluffing and I ask her the 4 magic questions.  She
didn't really give me anything to work with so I then try to get her to play
the questions game with me.  She can't think of anything to ask so I tell her I
want to play another game, one she will surely like.  Note: At this point we
were facing each other and I had one hand on each side of her. 

Me:  Ok, the game is rock, paper, scissors and the loser has to kiss the
winner.
HB:  I can't do that...I'm a good girl(playfully)
Me:  Ok...just kiss on the cheek then
HB:  Ok

I lose the 1st, she loses the 2nd, I lose the third one.  When I kiss her on
the cheek she turns her head a little so that I almost hit her lips.  She may
have even been trying to kiss me on the lips.  I took that as a green light so
I say:

Me: Ok, real kiss now.
HB:  I'm a good girl.  I don't kiss guys I know that well.
Me:  Well, it's a good thing we have gotten to know each other...you have
ALREADY kissed me.

Then I kissed her and that led to a night of making out and groping everywhere.
 Throughout the evening she would keep saying stuff like, "You're so bad!  Are
you always like this?" and "You like to move fast don't you?"

How should I respond to that? She is obviously enjoying my "badness"

Also, I wanted to get her out of the club and fuck her that night, but I didn't
quite know how to do it.  She would say things like, "I don't think I should be
alone with you." so I know that she wanted me, but she was with a group of
friends, and didn't want to seem like a slut.

3)  Someone posted this a while ago as the "Toronto Shooter"  Basically you
take a shot of tequilla, you lick the girls neck, put salt on it, and put a
lime in her mouth.  You then lick her neck, take the shot, and slowly suck the
lime out of her mouth.  I used this in a club, but I reversed it.  I needed to
drive home so I didn't want to drink, but the HB that was with wanted a shot of
tequilla so I told her that I was going to show her a fun way to take the
tequilla.  I poured some salt in my hand and told her to "Lick my neck."  She
did so w/o hesitation(wow, I didn't expect this, but I was very commanding)
then I put the salt on my neck and the lime in my mouth.  She seemed to enjoy
this and took her time with the salt+lime.  Next time I see her I should put
the salt on my cock.

I'm curious to learn what other games you PUA's play to have fun+get more kino.
 I still can't believe that the rock, paper, scissors thing worked.  I think it
had to do with her not playing along with my first two games(rejection then
retreat, Cialdini) and then committment/consistency after we had already been
kissing on the cheek. We must have looked so silly playing that game in the
middle of the dance floor.  I bet I looked pretty cool a few minutes later
making out with her though!

I have only been clubbing for a little over a week(turned 21 not too long ago)
so I am not sure how to continue the seduction from #2.  I am going to see her
on Thurs, but I am not sure what route to take.  Would it be too drastic of a
change to start doing value/elicitation, SS?  I did that with a girl that I met
in a club last week.  The club PU was almost all kino, we got together the next
day and then I started value/elicitation, patterning and it seemed to work. 
She gave me head and then took me out to dinner.  She is from out of town, but
is coming to see me this weekend.  To reward her for making the effort to see
me, I rented one of those "Romantic Getaway" hotel rooms, with a whirlpool, etc
for Friday night.  It is pretty extravagant and cost me $280.  I don't care
about the $$$, but do you guys think this is too much?  Is this supplication? 
My reasoning for getting the room is because I think it would be a lot of fun,
and ironically, even though I am loaded, I still live with my parents so I
wanted a way for us to be alone together.  I am NOT doing this to buy her
affections.  Actually, I am not sure how to walk the fine line between getting
a girl to really want to be with me, yet not fall in love, get obsessed, and
try to get me to committ.  How do you guys handle this?

Ken

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[London Double Feature, Part I

Copyright 2001, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
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]


Lay Report Hat Trick! Lhasa babe shouts for the Dalai Lama!!
010220

This lay happened the next day after that second wifeslave report. I 
post it, because, it ran very similar to the HB miles lay last month, 
and shows, that within certain bounds, many chicks will act 
predictably in the same way (and with the same results at the end ;-
) ). That in itself, is quite interesting.

Lhasababe's  'exciting story' (see below) was once on a trip to 
China, having snuck into the foribidden city of Lhasa, in Tibet, 
with the communist sympathizers not far behind, pelting the car 
she was hiding in..  she did get into Lhasa.. but fortunately, it did 
not take her 7 years to get back out.. ;-) ).

Interestingly, I met Lhasababe at the same party I met wifeslave (see 
next report) at. 

I did 3 number closes that night, in addition to the first night with 
Wifeslave. Of those # closes, one I made a meeting with, but she 
last minute cancelled (see original wifeslave report for what I 
replied to that chick), another one never returned my call, and then 
there was Lhasababe..

Lhasababe I rate an 8. She is what I consider an HB 'fixerupper'. 
Awesome body, cute face, but shitty hairstyle, and awful british 
clothes that doesn't fit her sexy shapely thin but curvy body. I was 
surprised how sexy she was after I got the clothes off of her.. 
That's ok, I can get her to cut her hair, and dye/perm it, and go 
shopping with her, and make her an HB, like I did with HB Ass 
years ago..

Lets go right to the first time I met her, at the party which I went to 
the second day I had been in London. I met her, and told her that I 
was American, but from Japan. Asked her a bit about London, and 
things to do here. Her friend was bored, and wanted to go home so 
she was about to leave soon. I suggested we go for a cup of coffee 
and talk more about it another time, and how I can reach her. She 
(like a typical paranoid british chick) rudely says that "well, I am 
not going to give you my phone number, so you can give me 
yours". I tell her I don't know my number, I just got here. She 
says, ok, well I will give you my email then.. which I get.

I reply her mail the next day, and tell her I would like to talk with 
her more, how can I do that? She replied (rudely again), "give me 
your number, but not a cellphone #" (in the after-fuck debrief, she 
said she didn't like cellphones because they are expensive to call). 
I thought this note was just too rude.. so I ignored her, and didn't 
write back. Then 2 days later, I get another note, this time with her 
phone number and an invitation to call her.

I call her, and make a meeting on Picadilly Street near the coffee 
shops around 4:30PM. She fucks up, and goes to the wrong place 
on Picadilly, but I find her anyways and we meet up. [I picked this 
place and time on purpose. Firstly, a few days before, I scoped out 
this part of London, because there were lots of coffee shops in a 
row which all had counter seats (needed to kino the chick), and 
then a park at the end of the street (Green Park), with benches and 
which was open at night, so I could take her there for a 
tonguedown and feel up.. I picked 4:30, because it gives us about 1 
and a half hours to talk, so I can run the Maniac Plan on her, and 
then it would be dark enough (dusk) so that I could then take her to 
the park for the tonguedown, but still not be too late that she want 
to run home after the coffee/sandwiches].

We go to the coffeeshop, its crowded, so I direct her to sit down 
and wait for me (I don't want to get stuck at a table where I cannot 
kino her), and I buy her coffee, and my tea.

For openers, I talk about her job (she is a student, and a tutor), 
where she lives (alone, on south shore of Thames). So now I got 
the basics covered. She lives far, so if there is a lay, she will have 
to be coming back to my place, in the City.. this might be a bit 
tough tonight timewise? and unfortunately no fuck hotels in 
London like in Tokyo, so can't do a quickie there either (though 
had there been, I would have nailed her that first night, because she 
was READY!).

Now, I get into her values (yes, I am following the M.P. here..). I 
open with 'If you could do life over again, what would you do 
different?' [I like this, because it sets the frame of what she is 
missing/wants.. which is better than asking 'so what about your life 
you want to change?', which the chick would usually reply 
'nothing'. The way I do it, already sets the context that she DOES 
want to change something]. Turns out though, it still doesn't work, 
and she says she wouldn't change anything if she had a chance to 
redo life..

Ok, so Maniac takes a different tact now.. and I ask her about 
British guys, and what they are like. [This is the transition now, to 
the romantic talk..]. Then I ask about her experiences with guys (I 
ask her if she had any non-british boyfriends (she had an American 
once, and a brit), so I ask her what was the differences between 
American BF's and British BF's. She said something about how 
British guys are more 'colder' somehow. Then I asked her what 
she wants in a guy (reply: usual stuff, honest, trusting..blah blah).

Then I ask her 'how do you know you want a guy to be your BF?'. 
She pauses thinking for a moment, and then I answer it for her.. I 
tell her that she wants someone that she can feel a deep connection 
to, someone, that although maybe you've only known for a short 
time, it seems like you have been so close, and deeply connected to 
each other for such a long time? She is knodding yes yes yes at 
this point.

I ask her if she is a person who is an adventure, or if she seeks 
excitement in her life [it's a double bind.. both are the same thing, 
and is just a setup for the next question]
Now I ask her what was the most exciting experience in her life. 
She recounts the Lhasa story above (apparently it is just as 
beautiful as it was shown in the film '7 years in Tibet'.. she talked 
about it for about 15 minutes, what she saw in Tibet, and how 
much trouble she had to get into Tibet, and then out again, with 
police, and unfriendly Chinese chasing her, and pelting the car she 
was sneaking in with rocks? she said she thought she was going 
to get raped and/or killed by the communist Chinese, when they 
were chasing her up the road going through one of the towns to the 
central city of Lhasa, in Tibet)).

Now, having learned from wifeslave (that she had a kinky side), I 
changed my plan a bit, and included the following. I tell her that I 
had a bi-gf that like chicks and was into SM. I told that this chick 
would dominate other women SM style [not true, this story is a 
combination of several chicks I dated, but this way, I can get all 
the things I want to say, out in the conversation, by always 
referring to this particular wild chick, and then I can naturally find 
out what types of weird shit may interest this particular chick in 
front of my now.. it is far better than asking 'so are you into SM', 
because if she isn't, it may freak her out, and she may run out the 
door, so this way is better]. After telling the story, I ask her what 
she thought about that story. She asked me if I still dated her, and I 
told her no, she dumped me for one of her women (hahahaa) 
[Lhasababe struck me as the type that wouldn't be happy if I had 
another GF, from all the trust stuff she said in the initial 
questioning above].

Now I tell her the story about the chick in Sao Paolo who grabbed 
me and kissed me within 10 seconds of me walking into this bar, 
and then get her comment on that (wow, exciting she says). I ask 
her if it ever happened to you (no she says).. would you like it to 
happen to you? (sort of scary she says? [ok Maniac will wait a bit 
longer]). I then say, she played this game with me after the kiss, 
lets try it (4 questions, see my webpage). Then I tell her I know 
another game (strawberry game).. play that. Fence is high, only a 
few strawberries (I find out after I fuck her, that she hadn't gotten 
laid in two and a half years.. imagine that!).

Now, out of the blue, Lhasa babe tells me a story of an American 
guy who PU'd her once, but then she didnt fuck him because when 
he got to her place, he just wanted to fuck her and she started 
crying, because before this, she thought that he had really liked 
her, but he didn't fake it well enough when he got to her place, and 
was too direct for the fuck. (he lost the lay opportunity). I fed all 
this back to her in different words 'yes, I know how sometimes it 
can be sad to be deceived, and feel that your trust and openness 
was betrayed, but other times, maybe you meet someone else (SP 
[selfpoint]) and find you can trust them, and that there feelings are 
just so true to what you are feeling.' [Idea is to mirror, re-feed the 
words, and then neutralize]

I continue on this, as it is an opportunity now to get even further 
into Lhasababe (mentally at least!). I go on to say that yes, for 
many guys, like that one, sex is just physical act.. but for a lady, 
sex is part of mental contact, a way of reaching her very deeply in 
her mind.. and sex is just a way (among many ways) to reach 
deeply into a woman's mind (kino is heavy here). I go on to say 
that 'you'd be surprised how few guys understand that basic fact.. 
because if you remember that fact when you are with a lady, she 
will crave you, because you understand what sex, and intimancy 
are really about, and that the job of the guy, is to satisfy the woman 
not only physically, but mentally, and emotionally as well, and be 
the man she wants him to be.. in every way.. See.. sex is a mental 
act.. using physical means to reach the mental soul.. so few men 
understand that, but when you find a man like that, you want to 
hang on to him (SP). Lhasa babe is going 'YES YES..' and now 
massive reverse kino has started! [ok, now Maniac has reached 
into this chick, and a statement of ability and understanding of 
what she wants has been made, and understood by the chick]

Now I want to set up for the KC [kiss close] which will come a bit 
later.. I ask Lhasababe, so are you romantic or adventurous? 
Lhasababe replies 'adventurous'. I tell her, that 'perhaps it is by 
taking a chance, you can discover something new about yourself. It 
is like taking 2 more steps closer to Lhasa, isn't it.. She replies 'yes 
it is'.

I ask Lhasa babe why she likes me [again, not IF she likes me, I set 
the frame that she already does like me, and now I am making her 
think of reasons to justify WHY this is true (this is some of the 
stuff I learned from the cult psychology brainwash web pages, see 
post I made last week on this). Making her do this exercise, will 
further convince her that she does like me, and invent reasons in 
her own head for this being so..]

She replies that she likes me because I am level headed, and not 
afraid of taking chances for getting better results in my life (I told 
her earlier, about how I quit my job and moved to Japan, it was a 
big chance, but I took it, and had great results/rewards/adventure in 
life).

Now I set up the kill.. I ask her if she ever kissed on a first date. 
She replies yes. I then tell her that relationships are exciting, 
because they are somehow very cruel yet attractive at the same 
time [not sure where I saw this quote, but it's a great one!]. The 
chick replies 'yes!'. There is lots of kino at this point, and excellent 
eye contact, so I decide to get her out of here, and into the park so I 
can tongue her down. I tell her 'lets go'. 

When we are outside, I tell her we still have some time, so lets go 
for a walk a bit since its refreshing. I then kid 'oh, well we are in 
Europe, so the gentleman should escort the lady, shouldn't he' and 
I let out my arm, she takes it (French arm style).

Now, when we get to the park, she ices up a little bit, so I cannot 
KC her yet. So I try to loosen her up with the following: 'I think 
you are a mytersious person somehow.. if you want to know 
everything about  someone, would you want that?' Lhasababe says 
'no, then it is not exciting anymore'. I reply that I agree.. if you 
know everything about someone, its boring, there is nothing new to 
discover, the adventure cannot continue.

Then I grin,, its ok, I have many many secrets, and it will take you 
a long time to find them all out, so I am not worried. Then she asks 
'you think passion can always stay?, because I dont think it can.. 
just it fades'. I reply that it depends on the guy you meet.. and that 
I think passion can stay, it is like dance, the passion is always in 
the amosphere around you.. although dance is just moving around 
in a room to music.. really its much more than that, it is that 
feeling, which is indescribable when the music and rhythm is 
inside your body, and your mind, connecting you with it? .. a 
relationship is just like that?'.

Now we are wasting time, and I want to get to the KC, so I go back 
to where we were before.. 'so which is more important to you, 
excitement or romance [I want to see what she wants here.. a quick 
fun fuck, like wifeslave, or something more..]. She surprises me 
though and replies 'arent they the same thing?'. I retort back 
(because I need to know what to do here), no.. I think romance can 
be excitement, but excitement is not romance, necessarily.

Now I tell her the wifeslave story (but don't say it's the chick that 
was also at the party) because I want to know if this is what she 
wants (if so, I will try to take her directly home tonight ASAP.. if 
not, then a KC, and set up the fuck next time, because its getting 
late). I tell her I once had this ex GF (wifeslave really), who 
wanted fun in her life. She was married, but wanted secret fun in 
her life. We had a lot  of excitement together, but I wouldnt say 
there was any romance at all.. It is just not what we wanted.. as 
another example, remember I told you about that ex GF I had who 
was bi?.. she had this girlfriend (see web, this is really that other 
couple we swapped with, in the 'swing parties' post on my 
webpage), who had a secret boyfriend, and they would go to swing 
parties together. But she had kids and a real family, and no one 
knew about this secret slutty life of hers that she hid behind 
everyone's back. Somehow, it was so cool, sexy, that she could 
pull this off, and be the woman she really wanted to be with 
someone, even though it had to be secret, with no one in her 
'regular life' to know.

Now I get her to a bench, and say, lets sit and talk somemore, and 
gesture with my hand for her to sit. She does. Now I move for the 
KC. First I ask her what is important in a relationship when you are 
meeting someone. She replies that they do what they say. I 
mirror/feed it back and say 'So you can trust them, to believe them 
then when they say/do something'. Lhasababe says yes, that's 
right. I continue, it is true, because if you cannot trust a person to 
act as they say, then there is no connection, nothing in the 
relationship (linking to what I said before about deep connections). 
But if there is trust, then everything becomes possible, doesn't it 
(kino here going well).

I then ask her what new she found about me tonight compared to 
the first night at the party. She says that somehow I make her feel 
very comfortable. Now I ask her if she likes it when I touch her 
like this (her arm), or like this (her thigh, which I was kino'ing 
before). She says she prefers I touch her hand, it feels more 
sensitive. [not good, because the leg is more intimate.. so not time 
for a KC attempt yet.. Maniac will try more stuff first]

Now I move into TPUA's 1 billions people in the world routine 
(see his HB physics layreport on my page). Then I mention (also 
from TPUA) how it is funny that although we only have known 
each other for just a few hours, that we could become so close, and 
find ourselves trusting each other so much to be alone together, in 
a place like this, holding hands and being so close. I feel that 
perhaps it was destiny that we met the way we did, and could have 
this opportunity to get to know each other more closely. She is 
getting fairly starry eyed now.

I want to confirm/reinforce her feelings of comfortableness with 
me, so I ask her (in an authoritative way), so you feel comfortable 
with me (voice goes down on 'with me'). Lhasababe replies she 
does. Still, she doesn't look ready for a KC..

I am trying to think of other avenues here, so I ask what is her 
hobby. She says she took a course in giving massage and she is 
pretty good [this is the opener Maniac!, now she is ready!]. I ask 
her if she is ever lonely. She says she has friends, so its OK. So I 
ask her why does she want a guy then (again, I ask WHY, not IF). 
She then says, that she wants a special person to share secrets she 
can't with her friends. [note: this is an EXCELLENT retort if a 
chick EVER tells you she doesn't want a BF because she has 
friends? thank you Lhasababe!].

Now she asks me what is important in a relationship (her last 
barriers are coming down here!). I feed her the stuff she told me in 
the coffeeshop 'trust, discovering about yourself through the other 
person, becoming closer'.. you do feel comfortable with me, don't 
you.. (lots of kino).

Now she blabbers about not having much time, being busy [more 
last minute objections!]. I retort with TPUA's 'so you want 
someone who is there when you need him'. Lhasababe says 'yes'. 

Now I do the SOI (statement of intent), again from TPUA's HB 
physics report (everyone should read that report, its on my page, 
and his close on that chick is EXCELLENT!).  I tell her that I think 
we want the same things somehow, and that we would both miss 
out on potentially something wonderful if we didn't give each 
other that chance. I go on to tell her that I am SURE that I can give 
her what she is missing, and looking for right now, and that we 
shouldn't miss this chance, that fate has given us today, by being 
able to somehow feel so close in such a natural and comfortable 
(her trance word) way. I tell her, 'you are the adventurer, are you 
willing to take that chance'. 

Lhasababe says yes.. but then pauses and says 'I think you are 
good at romance, so probably you can get any chick though' [ha, 
she's got Maniac figured out.. she thinks!]. I retort, 'well that 
might be true? buts it's the same for you, isn't it? I mean you can 
go wear a short skirt, heels and fishnet stockings in the bars in 
Leichester Square, any night, and bring a guy home that night, 
probably in about 15 minutes'. Lhasababe says 'yes, I probably 
could'. I continue.. 'but is it enough for you? Probably not, is it.. 
you want more than that [I knew that, because she was not looking 
for 'excitement above, like Wifeslave, but something deeper.. from 
the interview I did in the coffee shop].

I continue: 'See for me, its the same, sex is easy, I can just go to a 
party, or a bar, or
 wherever, and pick up a girl and have sex with her? its true, I can 
do that [and it is!], but I want more than that,  a deeper connection, 
those special feelings. So maybe I am picky, but if that doesnt 
happen, then I am not interested in that girl.. [not true, but it 
matches her belief set so much, that I am sure she will take it in].

Now I try again for the KC. I say 'I have a question, I think we 
both are looking fort the same thing, and have same values (take 
chance, adventure, romance), .. and could give each other what we 
are both looking for .. I would like to try'. Lhasababe replies 'me 
to' (still holding her hands here). I say 'would you like to kiss me 
[now tonality here is KEY. I am NOT asking her a question.. I am 
saying it in the tone of giving her PERMISSION to kiss me, ie, 
like 'would you like that shiny lollipop for free today Lhasababe', 
as a store keeper would say to a 9 year old child in the shop]. 

Lhasababe says 'yes'. Massive tonguedown happens for 10 
minutes. We go up for air, and I tell her softly 'you are now two 
more steps on way to lhasa'. We both laugh and kiss some more. It 
is getting late now, and there is not enough time to take her back to 
my place as she has to work in the morning, the other end of town. 
So I tell her we shall meet again soon, and I would like to try that 
massage, so we will arrange for that. Then I take her to the bus 
stop, we kiss more, and both go home.

I call her the next day, to make a meeting time to see her again the 
following Thursday. She gives be some blurry about not knowing 
her schedule yet, so confirm on Wednesday. I tell her I am busy 
too, so when she knows her schedule for sure, we can confirm 
then. She says lets contact on Tuesday and she'll know then. [in 
the meantime, wifeslave wanted to see me, and she was free 
Thursday night (her hubby was out late), so I ended up giving 
Thursday to her instead]. Lhasababe and I talk on Tuesday (I think 
I called her), and she says Thursday is OK. I tell her that she 
wasn't ready to confirm the last time, and I already had another 
appointment now, but Friday is OK. She says Friday is OK, so we 
make Friday.

I worry about a freakout if I tell her about my place directly, so I 
just tell her there is a pub I want to go to near my place, so lets 
meet at my trainstation. She says it sounds nice, and we agree. (see 
karatebabe, nursebabe reports on my page for why I do it this way.. 
it lets me gets the chick in state first BEFORE I get her to my 
place, where she might be frosty, if I just took her there directly as 
soon as I saw her)

Fuck day comes and she shows up on time. She has a backpack on. 
I ask her where she came from (I don't remark about the 
backpack), she says from home. This is an excellent sign, because 
it means that she is planning to spend the night, and has brought all 
her shit with her. (turns out this was so.. she had a lot of shit with 
her too, curlers, new clothes..etc).

I say lets go to the pub. Its close, we walk there, get a beer, and 
talk about communication at many levels, and how many people 
don't understand this (I get her hand, hold it). I ask her how much 
she missed me (again, not IF, but HOW MUCH). Kino and eye 
contact is great.. no more work needs to be done. We finish the 
beer (she is slow on hers, so I ask if I can have some of it, I am 
thirsty, and I finish hers), and just head back to my place (I don't 
say where we are going, just I take her.. ).

As soon as we get in, tonguedown,. I take her hand to the 
bedroom.. kiss more, on the bed, pull off her top, suck titties, off 
skirt, panties..finger her, on condom, (just I stop fingering her, I be 
quiet, get condom, and put it on.. I say nothing).. fucking starts and 
goes all night till the morning.. Shes great. Awesome sexy body, 
her clothes didn't do her justice..

The next day, I debrief about why she chose me after 2.5 years. 
She said because I made her feel very comfortable, the way others 
didn't, so it felt natural [good romance engineering there Maniac.., 
like riding in a Lincoln!].  After another morning fuck was I was 
still inside her, her on her back, legs in the air..I then stopped and 
kidded her and asked why she didn't want to first give me her 
phone number. Then said 'maybe you just wanted to be careful, 
maybe you were afraid that you'd end up in bed with some strange 
guy, with your panties on the floor (I look at her panties on the 
floor), you on your back, with your legs spread wide up in the air (I 
look at both her legs, one each side of me, spread wide up in the 
air), and him inside fucking you (then I drill her some, and she 
starts shrieking in pleasure), then I stop and say 'so was that why'? 
She laughs and says 'stop it!'. I don't, and start drilling her again 
and stop and say 'see what happens when you are not careful.. 
what happens to you?', and she makes me a pleasureable, but 
helpless smile..[end fuck torture]  then I drill her some more, till 
we both come. 

We rest a while, and I kid about it again 'not giving the number, 
because she was scared of stranger guys' and then she said that she 
realized that she has to be less 'afraid' of taking chances, and try to 
take more chances.. because she was surprised that nothing bad 
happened, and she lost nothing from the experience..it was all 
really comfortable and wasn't sure why she was afraid to do sex at 
all (she briefly mentioned in the debrief she thought sex was 
immoral, so I retorted.. what gave you that crazy idea? Sex is 
wonderful! (at that point I drilled her more), and she loved it, and 
finally agreed).

We slept a few more hours, then I walked her to the station in the 
morning, hugged and kissed her some more, and promised to meet 
her again.

THE END

Ok, things I learned (first of all, the title: a hat trick is a term in 
hockey, when a player scores 3 goals in a game, the spectators will 
throw their hats on the ice as a gesture, as this is so difficult to do). 
This lay was #3 in a total elapsed time spent in London of around 
15 days, and without making really that much effort. I honestly 
find it an EASIER field to play than Tokyo, where I usually live, 
with a much better success/fail ratio.. mainly because language is 
not an issue here, and I can use FAR more sophisticated language 
patterns and psychology on chicks here than I can in Japan. In that 
aspect, London has been really good for PU practice, and is more 
straightforward. Add to that the fact that the guy competition here, 
though there are tons of handsome guys all over, seems to be rather 
weak in PU skill and ability, makes it easier as well for guys like 
me.


Constructive comments / opinions welcome! 

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Toecutter talks about 'closing'!


From toecutter@mail.com Thu Nov  2 10:44:01 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lessons from sales: Closing.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:40:13 GMT


Yesterday I did a brief outline on what was in the sales literature on
handling objections. Today I am going to attempt to address closing (this is
a much more difficult task). It is not an easy thing to write about. There
are whole books out there on this stage of the sales process alone. Suffice
to say that it is by far the most important. You can be perfect at the other
5 steps, but if you can not close, and ask for a call to action then you can
not sell (or get a fuck).

In fact salesmen say that there are 2 types of people in sales: The salesman
(who is better than simply an ordertaker; at least he can so some things on
his own ... if he is good he can generate leads, meet and initiate
conversation, elicit values, support the sale, handle objections, and
attempt to close). The other type is The Closer (he is the man that can
really deliver. He can sell, charm and hold the customer to the deal).
Closing a sale is the most important skill a sales person (or PUA) needs.
You can be charismatic, come up with the best leads, have incredible
presentation skills, but if you can't close, you can't sell (or PU).

There are three steps to closing a sale and they are:

A. Recognising the Time to Close
B. Deciding on Your Closing Technique
C. Making the Closing Statement

In recognising the time to close you need to watch your customer. (Needless
to say, Value needs to have been created first but some customers may know
they need your product before you open your mouth. You can just walk up to
the customer and close ... I have seen guys just walk up take a girl by the
hand and lead her out of a bar without a word ... CLOSERS). You close too
early (value has not been created or objections have not been overcome) you
loose the sale. You close too late, the customer is out of their
enthusiastic state, you will fall flat on your face again. Watch her state
and see the opportunity. In fact the whole time you are with her you should
be looking for that window of opportunity to close. Closing is the only
reason you are even there.

Some relevant closing techniques from sales I will outline below, but there
needs to be a technique. In the PU situation, I would use them for a #close,
or a date close (i.e. getting her out of the bar, or the supermarket queue
into a coffee shop or your home to see whatever it is that you say you want
to show them). It is a call for action. I make the reservation that you
should not use a verbal close to get her answering the question "Shall we go
and fuck?". This defies chick logic. Just get her to your house.

The closing statement needs to be smooth and delivered with confidence. This
is not a time for Umms and Ahhs. Once you have decided on your technique,
you are ready to make the closing statement. It is time to ask for the order
(or number or to leave together). There are some considerations that you
should understand so that your efforts to close will be successful:

* Stay in your normal discussion mode and tone. Don't telegraph what you are
going to do by a change in posture or tone of voice.
* Remember that you are asking for the order but don't pressure for a sale.
Move slowly but deliberately to the next step in the process, if there is
one.
* Expect your close to fail if you have not provided the value needed by the
prospect. Don't discount the failure, learn from it and do better next time.
* Ask questions if the close fails to determine what went wrong and see if
you can salvage the situation (the more high pressure the close you use, the
more you are going to have to work to retrieve the situation).

Okay, now for some of the techniques. See my post "Field report: A killer
#close including overcoming BF objections"
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1&mn=970
26921569650 for a field report using many of these techniques. I know the
close is far from perfect, but you can see my sales training shining through
in it. It includes the yes ladder, an invitational close (crossed with the
puppy dog, "try me, I am free"), fear factor close and pre-emptive objection
strike (I'll be discrete). I reckon that I got the fuck largely on the
strength of this close.

The main reason customers say "no" is a fear of making a decision. They say
"no" even if they want to buy from you. So, when a customer says "no," you
must re-sell by creating more value, or building up the required state and
close again. In order to do this, you must have more than one close to use.
Otherwise, they will leave and go fuck your competitor. Here are some:

The Power of Suggestion Close (called in NLP, time distortion) Help your
customers to see themselves using your product. Speak to them as though they
already owned it, and tie in a hot button benefit to its use: "When you use
these vitamins and herbs, after only a few weeks you'll notice that you have
more energy and that you feel healthier." or from in a pattern "Imagine us
at the coffee shop laughing together and having a good time, and later you
being at home feeling that you had a really good time and enjoyed yourself
spending time with me over coffee. Now when you think about what I am
saying, and all those feelings that I am talking about, doesn't it just make
sense that we go and have coffee together now?"

The Direct Close. (high risk, she could say "no", then she owns that no, and
you have to prove her wrong.) The obvious and most frequently used close is
the direct approach of asking for the order. Once you are sure in your mind
that you have done everything possible to overcome objections, and if you
feel that you can fulfill the prospects need, go for it. "If we want to
continue this conversation another time, I will need your phone number, here
is my pen."

The Invitational Close. If you want it, you have to ask for it. Don't just
wait for the customer to say, "I'll take it." They don't. Create the value,
then invite them to do it. Say, "Why don't you give it a try? Go ahead and
do it."

The Option Close. The more options you give someone, the better your chances
to close."Our truck is in this area twice a week, do want delivery on
Wednesday or Friday?" "Do you want this charged to your Visa or MasterCard?"
"I'll be in your area on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings, which would be a
better night for us to catch up and have coffee?" These choices require a
commitment and "no" is not offered as an option.

The yes ladder close (TokyoPUA calls this one the yes-set). The yes ladder
close builds a chain of "yes's" to questions the salesperson asks to help
lead the customer into saying yes to the sale. To put the customer in the
habit of saying yes, ask questions you're sure will get affirmative answers.
See that field report for an example.

The Puppy Dog Close (also called the Free Trial close) This close gets its
name from the pet store closing technique of letting customers hold the
animal they want to make it harder to resist, and even let them take it home
for a week. This close lets your buyers see for themselves your product's
quality. Make sure your customers hold, taste, feel, wear, try out your
product, take it home for a week even and bond with it. Let the prospect use
your product or service for a specified period of time with the
understanding that you will pick up a signed order after the trial period.

The Fear-Factor Close. This is very powerful because you are playing on
people's uncertainties, insecurities and fears. People want products and
services which minimize their risks whether it is personal or property
related. "This water purifier will protect you and your family from some of
the deadliest forms of bacteria in the water." Hard to implement, but I did
it with that $5 close in the field report.

The Readiness Close
This close checks the client's "buying temperature." With it you can also
find out if you are on the right path with your presentation or if you need
to change course. The great thing about this close is that it doesn't end
your presentation but instead tells you what direction to go.
A. "Does this make sense to you?"
B. "How do you feel about this so far?"
C. "Is this what you wanted?"
D. "Is this an improvement for you?"
Not sure how to implement this last one, and have been thinking about it
because it is so LOW risk. Any ideas?

Comments / suggestions / applications / more closes are welcome.

Toecutter.

P.S. There are guys out there in this group who obviously can not close (Ray
is the perfect example ... his Foxhunting crap I have read, but his handling
of objections only delays his need to close by dragging the thing out. He is
scared as shit of this step in the process, the call for action, and works
out complex strategies so that he feels like he is doing something, but it
never leads to the close. Realise that you NEED to close, and it is the only
reason you are even there).

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To sum up, merely starting to think more systematically about
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[Also check out the free websites, which didnt exist yet whenthis was written]

Any comments from you as to what I should tell her if she
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This story is about recognizing chick bullshit, and calling her on itwhen it happens, Buy Prozac No Prescription. Rx free Prozac, In this case, I arranged a meeting with this chick(a 28YO Roppongi girl). She behaved a lot like HBHotpants (seefuckup report on my webpage), but thanks to ASF, where can i order Prozac without prescription, MrSex andothers I handled it WAY differently this time.

JulianaBitch is very cute, Buy Prozac online cod, but dumb, and seems to like to play guysfor their money, and wants them to suck up to her. As soon as Irecognized her game (which was pretty soon), buy generic Prozac, she got NOWHEREwith me. Buy Prozac No Prescription, She used to be a permanent hangout in a disco calledJuliana's, in Roppongi, in the early 90s at the very end of Japan's"bubble economy". Let me digress for a moment and talk aboutJuliana's.. Buy cheap Prozac no rx, as it not only was it the icon, but probably the top ofdecadance during the top of Japan's 'bubble economy'.., when Japan wasbuying everything in fucking site, and was sure that they wouldrule the world because they were so "more perfect" than everyoneelse., order Prozac online c.o.d. how things change.. Juliana's was the hot spot of decadantlife in Tokyo, Where can i buy Prozac online, the focus of 'bodycon' (check the web for it guys. Itsshadow still lingers on)., Buy Prozac No Prescription. micro minis, and chicks taking off theirskirts and dancing on the pedestals along the sides of the bars injust their panties and bras.. there are videos on the net of it., buy Prozac in canada.
it was truly amazing.. At the hieght of it all, Prozac pharmacy, Juliana's was atthe very top of Tokyo's bubble decadant lifestyle.. Buy Prozac No Prescription, It is 8 years later, she has lost a bit of that youth (and thebubble has burst, and Juliana's is gone) , but is still prettygood never the less.. too bad her attitude hasn't re-adjusted yet, butI imagine it will soon, as she is not cute enough to be able to pulloff this kind of bullshit., purchase Prozac online.

Here's the story.
Firstly, Online buying Prozac, I show up to the meeting place and no bitch. So I start to gohome, and she calls me and says is it ok if she meets another daylike next weekend. I tell her I am busy, so some other time whenwe are less busy, Buy Prozac No Prescription. (I think she usually expects guys to rearrange alltheir schedules, Prozac over the counter, just because she is cute (which admittedly she is.. a9 I figure, Prozac samples, a 10 if I would have met her at 21YO).

I tell her I am going to 'Akahabara' (a part of Tokyo with lots ofelectronics shops and geeks, as I am buying a new Sony Vaiobefore going on holidays. If she wants to meet me, buy Prozac without a prescription, she can meetme there and hang out with me while I buy a PC, because I am notgoing to wait for her to take an hour to get to where she wassupposed to before.. Buy Prozac No Prescription, She says OK, and eventually shows up. Order Prozac no prescription, I am in the middle ofgetting my PC, so I go get her, and go for coffee with her. She isabsolutely uninteresing, australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal, (next question, how do you PU a cute, Buy Prozac from mexico, butdumb chick) After we talk for a bit, I bring her back to the shop,where I continue to buy my PC. I finish that (takes like 45minutes., Prozac for sale. she asks if she can go downstairs and see I-modecellphone, I say fine, Buy cheapest Prozac, see you later), later she comes back, and I amabout done.

Now the bullshit starts., Buy Prozac No Prescription. she starts telling me about how she likesguys who treat her first (ie, order Prozac. Buy her lots of shit). I also notice thateye contact is shit, Buy Prozac no prescription, and she doesn't smile much, and kino is shit.
This chick is not into me at all (which is fine, it happenssometimes., online buy Prozac without a prescription. Buy Prozac No Prescription, but its her fault for fucking up the meeting and notshowing up when she should have, which is why now she woundup in a computer store in Akihabara).

I decide to bail, and go home with my new PC, Where can i find Prozac online, and she startscomplaining about how expensive her subway ticket is to go home.
Now Maniac remembers this bullshit from HB Hotpants (thanksMrSex for that great followup report), and I do exactly what hesuggested, and I do not buy her her subway ticket (figuring thatanyways, Prozac from canadian pharmacy, she will blow me out and never see me again anyways).
She remarks 5 TIMES how her ticket is expensive, Order Prozac from mexican pharmacy, and I just say'ganbatte' (go for it).

Then get this, she pulls out a 'Luis Vuitton' purse (around $500)and buys her ticket. Now she is visibly pissed that she couldn'tplay me and get me to supplicate to her and shit, Buy Prozac No Prescription. She leaves, purchase Prozac online no prescription, Ileave.

Now, Where can i buy cheapest Prozac online, the bright side of this, is I didn't waste any time (except theinitial time to get to the first meetingplace, but that was on the wayto Akihabara anyways, so no big deal), Prozac price, did not waste any money,and recognized by body language, Buy no prescription Prozac online, that this chick was NOT intome, and just wanted to play me to supplicate to her, and then shethrew her tittie tantrum when I didn't. At least I could recognizethat, and bail early..

Now, the downside.. Buy Prozac No Prescription, there must have been a way to be able to laythis chick, and that, I didn't figure out in this case. Now grantedyou cannot lay them all, but still, it is good to learn from thefailures.

Opinions anyone on this. Obviously she fucks (I asked her howmany BFs she had had, and she wouldn't tell me, but I think it wasa lot from what other things she told me). I could not get this chickto open up at all, no eye contact, no smiling.. nothing, no matterwhat I tried, Buy Prozac No Prescription.

She said she likes Roppongi, and dancing.. but this could be a verybig supplication opportunity if I go there with her (she will expectme to pay probably, and then whether I do (or don't) I am sure shewill blow me out, and try to get as much attention from as manyguys as she can.. her way it seems..

What could have been done better. Buy Prozac No Prescription, Or was the only rational thingto do was early detection and bail, which I did..

Opinions anyone.

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[addendum.. it was 3 weeks ago I wrote this (couldnt post, dejawas fucked up.. since then I talked to the chick, and she,without any prompting, 'apologized' for being so 'tired andacting selfish' last time, and would like to meet me againand she said she would behave better... imagine that ;-)We shall see... Maniac]

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[Mrsex4unyc comments on Maniac's date experience with HB Brains]



From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sun Oct 10 08:29:32 1999
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
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Subject: Re: Outing Report! Maniac fucks up, and then recovers (and feels up) HB Brains!
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Date: 04 Oct 1999 14:06:43 GMT


>Outing Report! Maniac fucks up, and then recovers (and feels up) HB
>Brains!
>991004
>
>Here I fuck up, and think I meet her on Satuday. So I go out 
>sarging with Mr. Lager on Friday, and she gets stood up, and 
>waits for around half an hour before giving up, and making 
>the 2 hr trip home.

hahahaha OOPS!  :)

>When I get back home that night, I check my calandar, and 
>realize I was supposed to meet HB Brains TONIGHT! Not the 
>next day. Now I decide what to do. Usually, I would call and 
>apologize  (an AFC move I think), and then she's spew at me, 
>and then tell me she'll call me sometime when she is free 
>again (which is usually never).
>
>So tonight I decided to try something different. I call her up 
>and "confirm" our meeting on Saturday. She says (sounding 
>surprised) that she thought it was tonight. I say, "NO, it is 
>tomorrow, 8pm, as we agreed on the phone last weekend, and 
>I expect you to come". She is totally deflated now, and she 
>can't blow up at me. She asks to change it to 6pm because she 
>has to be home early that night and she apologizes some 
>more..so I agree (normally I wouldn't, but I know I fucked up, 
>and it is entirely possible she has a real appt at 8pm, so I let it 
>go..)

sweeeeet recovery.  actually better than I expected  :)  I thought you were
going for "I thought it was saturday, not friday... sorry... let me make it up
to you"  but sticking to your guns was excellent.  very bold move... altering
reality  :)  it is easier for you since you don't speak each other's language,
but still really nice.

>The next day, she shows up, looking great, and apologizes 
>again for "her" fuckup. I accept her apology, `tisk tisk' her on 
>the hand for it, and then keep holding her hand. I ask her if 
>she ate (no..she says.).. not surprised, she was on a train for 
>2 hrs,, again ;-) . I take her to the same bar that I took HB afro 
>to. I like that place, because you can sit next to the chick and 
>get kino right away without a table separating you from her. 
>We order drinks, and a few plates of bar food.

good deal.  it is STILL her fault, but you don't mind it and let's move on to
the real stuff.  good move on the kino spot too.  tables impede your work...
also she WANTS to feel you on her, so if you can sit with her during dinner
instead of sitting across from her, she can get hot while you fluff.

>I also have a very small PC, and keep a bunch of photos on it 
>(my house/family, friends, trips), so I showed her all of those. 
>That is nice as the screen is small and you have to get really 
>close together to see the pictures clearly, and I described each 
>one, and what I found/felt at that time. That worked, and is 
>now at the limits of my Japanese. At this point, I am also 
>massaging gently behind her ears, and she really likes that, as 
>well as other places. I ask her how it feels good and she says 
>"yes", it is.

I have to admit that digital-camera / laptop PC with pictures thing is really
great!  pictures are TRULY worth a thousand words.  I had a chick come over and
I left her a picture album while I went to another area.  I kept hearing WOW as
she was seeing me in places she has never been (like football stadiums and
skiing in vermont)  just seeing the pictures was like being there for her, PLUS
she saw me as ABOVE other guys she knows beacause I go places and do things.  I
am not limited to this city by any means.  I do what  I want to do when I want
to do it AND with several chicks that are MORE attractive than her and LESS
attractive than her.  more attractive = "don't think I need you" and less
attractive = "you have a chance to be with me... if you play your cards right!"
 :)

>I ask her what her parents think of her, and she says "party too 
>much!". I also ask her who she thinks is prettier, her or her 
>older sister.. she says "me" (yep, a budding HB.bitch shield 
>in development, but not complete yet ;-)  )  I also ask her what 
>she likes to cook (setting up the come over home date), and 
>she says she is bad. She suggests how about if I cook 
>something. I reply, we'll do something together.. She says 
>`ok'.  We talk a little more, ..We stay in the bar about 45 
>minutes, and then we go.

good

>Re: paying for food, this time I make an exception, and pay.. 
>Why? Because I found out during the talk, that she doesn't 
>have a job as she is a full time student (first year) living with 
>her folks. Most other chicks at least have a part time job, 
>which she doesn't because HB brains studies really hard in 
>school and she just turned 18. I was afraid that if I make her 
>pay, she might be afraid to come out the next time because it 
>is too much money for her . She offers though at the checkout, 
>which is nice, so she is not like HB hotpants was ;-)

the fact that she OFFERED is much more important than making her pay.  the fact
that she was PREPARED to pay is more important here.  the same thing later when
she buys her own ticket.  she could have told you some bullshit about paying
for her to go home.  any chick worth ANYTHING is going to have enough money to
get herself into and out of situations.

you HAD to pay this time for several reasons.  you didn't want her to feel like
going out with you was going to cost her money every time.  she is ALREADY
PAYING TO SEE YOU by taking the train.  she is paying in money and TIME out of
her life.  2 hours each way?  show her a good time as a REWARD for the
sacrifices she is making to come see you.  make it worth her while.  she is a
student.  you remember being a student, right?  NO MONEY!  you don't want her
to think "I can't go out with him because I need to save up for..."  NOPE.  you
are not going to hook her with money anyway.  you can't... her parents pay for
everything including the roof over her head.  your money means SHIT!  plus she
is a GOOD student... she will be making her own money soon.  you can't treat
her like the HBs that have only looks going for them and NO EARNING POTENTIAL.

for me it depends.  I will feel out a student FIRST, then I will decide if I
want the burden of dating her.  if I don't, I keep it to things that are free
(rollerblading, going to the park...) or let her know that I'm not paying for
shit and if she doesn't like that, she can go.  otherwise, I will pay for
dinner or a movie or whatever... but NOT frivolous bullshit like "oh... buy me
that thing in the window" or "buy me flowers"  or ANY TYPE BULLSHIT LIKE THAT! 
as long as it is an expense that involves us having fun and a great time
together, I will absorb it as long as I have decided that's the right thing for
me to do.  some chicks don't appreciate and it does you no good to pay for
shit.  recognize that and lay down the law.

I won't do that for nothing though.  you hook students with experiences and
good times... NOT money.  chicks that have jobs and income deserve NOTHING
because they are responsible for their own lives.  even if a student has a
part-time job, I know that she works MUCH HARDER for her money than I do. 
paying for her to have dinner with me gives her a great feeling and it is a
gift from me to her, not a supplication... also, she will REMEMBER why she has
the money in her purse that she has there.  she gets to buy that new miniskirt
because YOU paid for her meal and entertainment for the night.  she will
remember you when she buys it and when she wears it.

feel free to pay for shit for students and poor chicks... just be sure to get
your money's worth out of it.  not in the fashion of "I paid so you have to
fuck now" but make sure that while you are paying money, you are demonstrating
so much value to her that you are in a position where she sees you as ABOVE
other guys... not for your ability to pay, but because you treated her like she
wanted to be treated and showed her a great evening.  you don't have to repeat
your performance EVER AGAIN!  just let her know that you CAN treat her like
that if she is willing to be YOUR WOMAN... or at least one of them :)

>Then I ask her the RJ question "How do you know you have 
>gotten a new BF/new relationship (so I can learn what to do 
>with this chick". I find out then, how little Japanese I know; I 
>cannot construct this sentence right, and she doesn't get it at 
>all. I try to gesture to her it, and its funny, but still doesn't get 
>it. So I just say "lets kiss", and I get a "bec". I say, no , I want 
>a REAL one.. She dives in, and stays in for a little while.

how do you know you have a new boyfriend?  when his dick's in her mouth?  what
kind of question is that?  or did you paraphrase?

>After that, she backs off, and doesn't want to kiss anymore (I 
>suspect 18yrs of inexperience are starting to come into play 
>here).

never suspect SHIT!  analyze the situation.  what is different now from before?
 who came in? who sees her? what did you do? what did she do? how is she
feeling?  once you start suspecting shit (when the action is on) you travel
down roads of your own creation that have nothing to do with what is really
going on.  STAY IN THE GAME!

>Once I see that isn't working, I take her to the dance 
>floor, and we hang on to each other, but she is a little chilly 
>still, but kino is good.

great.  change venues.  talking, holding and kissing TO dancing.  change the
atmosphere and attack from a new direction. the only thing you didn't change is
seclusion.  some chicks WILL NOT PERFORM IN PUBLIC!  get them in the park
bushes however... and it's ON!  you're still in public... but NO ONE CAN SEE
HER!

>I try to kiss her again, not working at 
>all. Also, she cant dance worth shit.. She "bounces" too much, 
>and when we are holding each other, I get shaken all over the 
>place ;-). We do this for a while, and kino is good, but kissing 
>not going well. Finally, I just ask her straight out again like 
>the first time, but no go (I know, AFC move, but I thought 
>maybe she is just inexperienced, and wants you to ask). Kino 
>dancing for a while, touching ears, putting hands over tits (no 
>resistance), ass..etc.. no problem.. she likes it

asking sucks dude  :(

>It is now 10:30, and she has to start to go home (she told me at 
>the beginning that she is going with her family to a sushi party 
>the next morning, so she has to be home that evening) as last 
>train in her area is 12:30 and she has to catch it. 

what happened to her 8:00 appointment?

>I go out with her, and on the way back to the station. Out side 
>the bar, I thank her for coming (I decided, if I get a kiss, I will 
>walk her to the station, if not, I will blow her out). She says 
>she has a nice time, I try to kiss her, and no resistance, tongue 
>down begins.. thats good. I start walking with her. A few 
>minutes I just stop her and tongue her down again.no 
>problem (this is getting better). We get to an intersection near 
>people, and she doesn't want to kiss (too many people she 
>says). .. 

see what I mean... in the club = people = no action.  outside = fewer people =
action.  intersection = people = no action.

did you ever consider that maybe she rode a train for 4 HOURS in one day to get
LAID?  next time fucking ISOLATE HER and fucking MAKE IT WORTH HER WHILE!  :)

let her know you appreciate what she does to come and see you and REWARD HER
with a good fucking.

>We cross, get to the station, she gets (and pays for) 
>her own return ticket, I tongue her down some more (no 

she should have paid for it just like that BITCH you went out with a long time
ago should have paid for her bus fare.  you don't need any chicks that you have
to treat like your children.

>resistance) and tell her I'll call tomorrow to set the next 
>meeting. She goes through the ticket gates, and leaves, but 
>doesn't look back at me (strange, considering the following 
>below..)

awwwwwww she didn't wook baaack awwwwwww

what is this?  a MOVIE?  hahahaha so what she didn't look back.  there you go
SUSPECTING again.  chicks are ALIKE but not THE SAME.  if 9 chicks look back at
you and the 10th doesn't... mark it down as s a FACT and move on.  stop making
it mean something.

>It turns out she is busy every day, expect next Sunday, but I 
>cannot see her than, because I am shagging another chick that 
>day. So we agree on the Tuesday night the week after this 
>week.

ok now... she is planning A WEEK IN ADVANCE to travel 4 HOURS to see you and
you'd BETTER make it worth her while.  ALSO... do your groundwork over the
phone.  talk sex up to her so you know what your game plan is when she comes on
Tuesday.  DO NOT LET HER SEE YOU TUESDAY WITHOUT KNOWING IF SHE WANTS TO FUCK
AND LETTING HER KNOW YOU LIKE HER SEXUALLY!  do not ASSUME that since she was
kissing you she KNOWS that you want to fuck her.

make this date the MAKE DINNER AT MY PLACE date!

>Now, my thoughts are that this is very bad, because usually, 
>when there is such a gap in meeting a chick between dates, she 
>loses all the good feelings from the time before, and its really 
>hard to recover. When it takes more than 1 week between 
>times I meet a chick, my success ratio goes WAY down I find 
>in my records. (opinions on this guys?).

what do you want her to do?  skip classes for YOU?  miss her education for YOU?
 that's why I stay away from chicks that have too much scheduled in their lives
like work and school and ESPECIALLY KIDS!  when I get into a new woman, I want
to see her every day for maybe a week, then cool out into a fucking-friendship.
 that see you next tuesday shit is fucked up :)  she is busy.  she has plans
for the future. you HAVE to accomodate her schedule OR go to her so she doesn't
have that time factor involved.  see that?  that's what I was saying about
paying for her.  you pay for her = she doesn't have to worry about making
enough money to date you before she comes out.  you going to see her = she
doesn't have to pick a day when she has 4 hours of train time to spare.  I am
not SUGGESTING that you go see her at all.  I am just saying that the distance
is a factor in her decision-making process.

>So when I meet her, I 
>may have to take her to a bar first, to get her kino and relaxed 
>again, BEFORE taking her to my place, as I am afraid for a 
>`freak out' if I take her over, and then try to get all the feelings 
>back to where they were when I last saw her.

d-o  y-o-u-r  g-r-o-u-n-d-w-o-r-k  o-v-e-r  t-h-e  p-h-o-n-e!

stop fucking shooting in the dark!  unless you like it like that  :)  I
personally don't like dating at all.  I find prepared meetings to be boring and
contrived.  I like to meet women on the fly and make it happen wherever I am. 
the thrill for me is in the hunt... not in everyday dating.  I LIKE shooting in
the dark  :)  I like not knowing what she's going to do and having to recover
and regroup.  the game is FUN for me.  having an ENTIRE WEEK to mentally sarge
a chick and throwing that away to GUESS "is she going to fuck next tuesday" is
DUMB to me.  I wouldn't do it.  what if you meet  a chick on monday that wants
to fuck on tuesday?  are you going to turn down a sure thing for a ???  NO
because you already did it.  you already blocked her out for a SURE THING.  so
find out if this chick wants to be your SURE THING.  that doesn't mean she is
going to give it up when she gets in your face, but at least she has SAID she
has plans to fuck!

>Well, there you go. Thats the story so far on HB brains.. 
>Some other comments about this particular chick. Firstly, she is
>really naive about the dating game. I sense she is really 
>inexperienced (might even be a virgin! dunno, should have asked
>actually, and kidded her about this...will do next time), so
>there wasn't all the chick bullshit you usually get when you
>meet them. An example is the kiss thing. I could tell she was
>trying to follow certain 'rules', but I think she just didn't
>know what those 'rules' were.. I got her laughing alot, and
>kino, and tonguing down alot at the end, so that is all good.
>I would have brought her back then, if the time thing wasn't
>a problem.. (my fuckup, probably had I met her Friday night
>instead, as we had planned, she wouldnt have had to go home
>early, since I think she had planned it that way..)

you're probably right.  chicks PLAN to see guys on nights when they KNOW they
can stay over if they need to.  think about it.  if her parents think she
parties too much, that means she often STAYS OUT ALL NIGHT!

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