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Doing Successful Openers

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
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talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

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About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

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More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

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MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
Lines: 63
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Message-ID: <37676655@nemo.idirect.com>
X-Trace: 16 Jun 1999 04:54:45 -0400, ts7-36t-14.idirect.com
Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

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Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

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Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

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Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

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Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
Lines: 63
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Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
Lines: 63
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Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

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Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
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How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
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Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
Lines: 63
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Organization: via Internet Direct

Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
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Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
WITH
SOMEBODY?

learn it.  practice it.  use it!  hehehe :)
------------cut-------------------

How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


----




Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
http:/www.pickupguide.com

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » boyfriend

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Mystery and others write about successful openers!



From: "Mystery" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast,Alt.psychology.nlp,alt.hypnosis
References: <37602334.55753831@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Chat suggestions
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:58:12 -0700
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Status: O

talk about esp and its impossibility

talk about how you met a bear while hiking

talk about how you were scared shitless rock climbing when your rope snapped

or the time you visited your friends friend with him and your buddy was
almost beaten to death when the friend he visited had a boyfriend who came
out and there was a 20 minute car chase through lights and you were looking
for the cops but lot the crazed boyfriend before you found cops.

or the time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.
the birds sound clearer now.

or the time you netbused (hacked) into a bank but chickened out and put the
money into a charity

or talk about the famous person you met

does she believe in ghosts?  why?

you like candles and incense.  what does SHE like?  the music game modified
for all types of objects.

play the question game with her

or hotseat (like question game but more brutal)

talk about the time you bladed down a steep hill and survived.

talk about the time you were on stage

...

mystery



-----


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Wed Apr 12 07:31:37 2000
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: After the # close

On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:26:22 GMT, Rio  wrote:
| I was reading elsewhere on a post, that if you instruct her to sound
| cheerful on the phone when you call when you do a # close.

I tried that, it's not a magic bullet. But it's fun.

I now always write some shit along with my phone #:
something like "DO NOT FALL IN LOVE" or "NO STALKING PLEASE".

They find it very funny and show it to their friends, plus
they remember.

| If you did any anchoring on your voice when you met, now's the time to
| unleash them.



----

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Wed Apr 12 07:47:28 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Some closes
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Hand her the slip of paper and pen and have her write down her number.
When she's hands it back, ask her to put it someplace so you will
remeber to call her.  Last time I did this she put it down my pants and
grabbed my cock.  

Ask a gal to trade shirts.  When she balks, keep pressing in a joking
manner then finally ask to her to go outside to trade shirts.  Nothing
better then getting her outside.

Another one is simply saying its too smokey, noisy, smelly in here. 
Lets go outsde for some air.

Any of you guys got ways of getting chicks to leave with you outside
the club?

greg1

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.

Fitting your approach to the type of chick!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

Proper attitude for doing dance club pick ups

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Proper attitude when doing dance club pickups!

From slidewguy@remove-aol.com Sun Feb 13 01:09:30 2000
From: "whoisthis19" 
Subject: Re: Dance Club Advice needed
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

On 10 Feb 2000 16:18:04 GMT googamooga@aol.com (Googamooga) wrote:
> Hey guys I am new to the dance club scenes and seduction.  What could I say or
> do to approach women, to dance with them and then take them home?  I have seen
> men who just approach women who are dancing with a friend or alone, and just
> dance without asking for any permission from the girl.  Now when I try it all I
> ever get is a dirty look, what am I doing wrong?  Any dance club advice would
> be helpful.

Often they know the guy already but this should give you a clue as to
what to do.

Approach a woman in ANY situation and act as if she is already your
girlfriend.  That she is very familiar with you and you are over the
shyness and uncertainty of how to act.

What I mean is.  When your girlfriend is out on the floor dancing with
some gals and you want to dance with her, you go right up to her and do
the deal... right?   Do not behave any differantly with woman you don't
know.  Approach woman AS IF they are already are your girlfriend.  If
you dont have this confidence - you CANT do the approach - it will
bomb.  If you do have this mind set, it doesnt matter what the
situation is or who the woman is,  you will be successful in the
initial approach.

The reason for this is due to anchors set by previous boyfriends.  At
some time or another they have had pleasurable experiances with men who
were relaxed being around them.  Men who were thier boyfriends and
ACTED as such.  When you do an approach with the mind set you are
already her boyfriend you will act in the way she is most accustomed to
and wont think your strange.

SO what I'm saying is:  Get in there and have fun!!!  Not just fun. 
ALOT of fun!!!!!!  That's all there really is to it.

greg1

> 
> thanks in advance

Did you sleep with yourself or... did you turn yourself down because
 you was too easy.
--

Seeing if she has BF, and how tight!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com



Good way to see if she has a BF, and how she feels about him!


From: "Old Dog" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re Maniacs Post on: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Don't ask "Do you have a boyfriend" ?

>
.
>

>
> Opinions?
>
   Maniac,

   In my-pre SS days when my PU was based solely on the sales call model,
   I almost always qualified the chyck regarding this.    But, IME, you can
  do a lot better than just asking what her living arrangements are.

  I have a question that has never failed to elicit the key information
   re: whether she has a BF but, critically for deciding whether
  to continue the sarge, what her attitude toward the
   relationship, if any, is.

   It's based on the fact that  all women know, on a day to day
   basis, how they feel about the state of a relationship that they're in.
   And since the presupp appeals to their vanity, I've never,
   in over 20 years, had a woman decline to answer.

   Here's the qualifying question I ask:  "You seem really nice Debbie.
   I hope that your boyfriend appreciates you".

   They give four types of answers:

    1)   She'll beam and say "Oh yes, he's terrific and appreciates me
totally".

    2)   She'll give a hesitating "Yes", but won't elaborate.

    3)   She'll say "Yeah, I do but NO, the schmuck/jerk/etc. doesn't
          appreciate me.

     4)   I don't have a boyfriend.

   For me, the response to 1) is a "Smart guy.  Enjoy your evening"

    For 2), and 3) the borefriend destroyer pattern is the next step.

    For 4), it's usually the "What's important to you in a man?" question.

  Nowadays, I may not ask the question early on.  After establishing
  rapport, I'll just do some patterning and see how she responds
  and go with that.  I need the pattern language practice anyhow and it's
  fun.  But, in some instances, I'll still put the above question to her
(like if her response to the SS tech is weak) since it's proven itself to
  be so reliable for so long.  It's saved me a lot of what  would
 otherwise have been wasted time (not to mention $) over the years.
  BTW the rate of "false positives" i.e. she answers that she has a BF
  and a great relationship with him but aint so) seems to be very low.

   Old Dog

> Maniac High
> http://www.pickupguide.com
>
>

Buy Seroquel No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Seroquel No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website

http://www.pickupguide.com

Laying down the law with difficult chicks, gets you the lay.

And, try to sarge a real intellectual frigd type. They turn RED FUCKINGHOT in the sack. Sweet Jesus...

Later.
-IX

About girls who want to fuck versus wanting a relationship

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com



Fitting your approach to the type of chick.
Rush talks about RJ chicks (relationship) -vs- Mr. Smooth (fuck) chicks!




From rush274@aol.com Fri Apr  7 04:55:59 2000
From: rush274@aol.com (Rush274)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A letter to Maniac High

This is a letter I wrote to Maniac High a couple of weeks agothat he asked me
to post here.  It's in its entirity.

Hi Maniac,
	I love your website; it has given me quite a few great pointers, but there's
one thing I want to elaborate on.  Basically, I've found that where you usually
get into trouble is when you pick up a girl Mr. Smooth style, and then switch
to a lovey-dovey romantic style on the date itself.  I've found that there are
two kinds of chicks, the Mr. Smooth type, and the Ross Jeffries seduction type.
 I'm not saying they don't cross over in many places, but whenever you pick up
a girl with that aggressive, "my shit don't stink", Mr. Smooth method, it's a
good idea to stick in that mode on the date.  
	For example, watch Raging Bull and notice how Robert DeNiro gets Cathy
Moriarty to fuck him.  It looks unreal on film, but it works like that in real
life.  What this means is that on the date, Speed Seduction goes out the
window.  The hardcore Alpha male does not talk about passions in life, what
their first kiss was like, while looking deep into the girl's eyes, and holding
her hand or giving her a massage.  Granted, the SS method works on most chicks,
but usually not the kind you meet in Clubs.  Remember when you were in high
school or college;  there was that guy who was always banging come fine-ass
chick; he was usually a football player, or other aggressive type.  He had no
idea about Ross Jeffries, but he could score like the best SS'er.  There is no
blueprint map like SS for this, so it takes a lot of practice to get it down.
Basically, you need to be very blunt, say some really wild and crazy shit, put
her in a few awkward positions, and I garauntee she will get wrapped up in the
game.  The most important this is that you give off that ultra-confident
attitude, and she will follow you anywhere.  You don't have to ask for
anything, nor word anything in one of those funny, setting up
challenges/structuring oppurtunities sort of way.  You just tell her bluntly
what to do.  
	Think about all those times you've tried to get a girl's number subtley, and
then just brought out your pen and paper and said "give me your number".  I'm
not saying you should do this with all girls, most won't go for it, but the
super-fine, outgoing, and uninhibited types of girls you meet at clubs will. 
This kind of girl really wants a guy that she will respect, and follow.  Trust
me, she has already been out the hundreds of guys, and has already met guys
that pull off SS, whether or not they knew what they were doing.    
	So, it's better to have two approaches in your repetoir:  SS style, and an
ultra-confident style.  You will have far more success when you master both,
and learn when and where to use them.  
	Oh yeah, one more thing.  I just wanted to comment on Ms. Sparkles.  You did
many of the right things...I mean, laying on the SS like that usually will get
the chick, despite the fact that you did make a few minor mistakes that have
already been pointed out.  Just remember that when a girl is truly in love with
her boyfriend, and he  provides her with everything she wants in a guy, there
is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change her mind about him. 
That is, of course, if she's not just telling herself that, but really has that
truly deep feeling for him that totally captures her imagination.    

-Rush274

More Wisdom from HB Vamp!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


More Wisdom from HB Vamp!


From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:48:28 GMT

Chick report: More HB Vamp Wisdom..
001103

Cleaning out my harddisk, here are some more notes about HB Vamp
I made after laying her the first time.. provides good insight
into chick thinking:

1)
She had had a playboy boyfriend before (ie. a guy seeing lots of
chicks).
She was OK with fucking him though because just she wanted to be treated
nice and that was the only thing that was important to her, so
that is why she was interested in him..

2)
She has two types of guys she likes. Type (1) is an ideal guy and close
relationship. But if she cannot get that (because its hard), she will
want type (2) instead, which is casual sex with NO relationship.


Funny thing is that re: #2, HB ass also said the exact same thing today.
Chicks want relationships, but if they cannot get that, a no strings
attached (ie. not lots of "I love you" and phone calls) friendship +
sex is also desireable.

Interesting.. comments anyone?

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Five words to save you before the BF comes along

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


5 words to save your skin before the BF comes along!


From: Mrsex4uNYC
Newsgroup: Alt.seduction.fast


>> Hey guys help me out here.  I've gone through the basic SS course and
>> I've tried the coffee shops only to find fat middle age housewives
>> buying gift certificates for their fat sisters.  I've tried grocery
>> stores only to get in a scuffle when the husband comes back from across
>> the store with a six pack (she looked single, so much for the 3 second
>> rule).

hahaha this shit is fucking hilarious!  :)

>You got into a scruffle because of SS? I am interested to find out if
>anyone
>else in this NG has had similar confrontations, kicked some ass, or get
>their head pounded in because of SS (ie. picking up a chick).
>
>I mean, I don't give a fuck if the chick has a boyfriend or whatever
>(don't
>touch married women though) anymore, but I'm sure that the other guy does
>mind. This thread isn't really about SS, but is something that I think is
>interesting. I mean, I've seen guys fight over girls and all some someone
>here must have interesting stories.
>NYC? Nathan?

hahahahahaha

listen

I told you guys a long time ago to use ONE fucking line to save your ass MUCH
humiliation:

ARE
YOU
HERE
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How NOT to do a pickup!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


MrSex4uNYC comments on an AFC's sad sad story.


(For all Femenazi's out there who wonder, it is because 
of stories like this one, that this website exists..)

An example of how NOT to do a pickup!

Read it and weep, and then study the rest of the site so
it doesn't happen to you..
-Maniac



From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Please, help an total AFC
Date: 30 Dec 1999 21:57:56 GMT

>Here's my problem

all you AFC guys that have been posting recently... read THIS and feel GOOD
about yourselves.  I mean go out there and snag some pussy... don't get
LAZY... but I think this is the WORST example I have EVER SEEN :(

>I've met this beautiful model two years ago at a trade fair where she
>was working as a fashion model.

you are now 2 YEARS DEEP in being a "GIRLfriend" to her instead of a MAN!
good luck climbing out of that shit :(

>She had a boyfriend and lived together
>with him. I was 43 and she  23.  I worked as a sales manager for a
>fashion retailer with clothing shops in Europe. I am married but since
>my wife has a seriously disease and need my help I don't want or can
>divorce her now.
>
>Well, we quickly started a great conversation immediately.. So we
>really liked each other..

you liked her PUSSY, she liked your MONEY and potentially your PERSONALITY.
that is a MIS-MATCH.  she will NEVER see you as a SEXUAL MAN until she
admires your SEXUAL PROWESS instead of your WALLET.

>We also talked about to have dinner
>sometime.

uh-oh.  dinner for what?  you SHOULD have discussed what you require of her
in a sexual relationship and when she said she wasn't going to fuck, you should
have baited her with ONE GOOD DINNER, then cut her off and told her you
don't want to hear from her again unless she is telling you that she wants you to
take her to a hotel and fuck her.  make her HUNGRY for your $$$ and then let
her know that she isn't going to get the benefit of your money OR your
personality if she's not sexing you.  those privileges are reserved for REAL
WOMEN!

>I planned to use her as a model for our fashion shows in Europe.  As
>a "prepayment" I gave her some nice clothing that we had used at the
>fair and she also worked for us at a fashion show in Germany.

now you have established that you have money and connections.  JERK THAT
SHIT AWAY FROM HER and watch her crawl to you for it.  if she doesn't crawl for
it, she's not going to suck you off either.

>3 month later she told me she wanted to have the dinner with me and we
>really had a great evening together, just like we were the best
>friends, that is: no intimacy..

the best FRIENDS?  what made you and her FRIENDS?  what did she like about
YOU? is that what you were dating her for... to make a female FRIEND?  if so,
what is this post about?  why did you like her?  because she is beautiful AND
refuses to give you sex?  what was your goal?  what were you trying to get
from her in exchange for this dinner?  what was the dinner a reward for?
nothing.

you were HOPING that through buying her stuff and taking her out, that would
turn on some sex shit in her.  it doesn't WORK like that.

>We started to see each other and had
>nice dinners ( with me paying ).

you are her girlfriend

>We walked holding arms together from
>the restaurants, but nothing more..

you are her girlfriend

> We did hug each other, but we never kissed.

you are her girlfriend

>We kept talking on the phone every week.

you are her girlfriend

>She told me she didn't liked here boyfriend
>and that she wanted to move to an own apartment
>as soon as possible.

you are her girlfriend  AND now she knows you will spend ALL of your money
on her with NO RECIPROCATION from her.  she will milk your ass DRY! :)

>After "dating" each other for about 6 months we decided to go to Paris
>a weekend and I arranged a Suit at a nice hotel.

you are her girlfriend

>2 weeks before she told me that she wants to have 
>her own room. We had a discussion and
>she told me that she rely liked me and wanted to go 
>to Paris with me but she wanted to have
>her own room.

I mean please :(

can you get a clue?  WHAT KIND OF BITCH THAT LIKES YOU AS A MAN IS GOING
TO GET YOU TO FLY HER TO PARIS AND SET HER UP WITH A ROOM WHERE SHE CAN FUCK
PARISIAN MEN AT WILL?  this whole shit is fucking pathetic :(

let this be a lesson AFCs...  if you KEEP doing what you have been doing,
THIS WILL BE YOU in 20 years!

>We went to Paris and had a nice stay there with shopping, dinners etc.


you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>At the evenings before bedtime  we did hug each other, but when I tried
>to kiss here she said NO and went into her room.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>I must fill in the she never never asked me to buy her something.

a DUH!  she didn't have to ask you because you OFFERED HER EVERYTHING!  you
started with dinners and ended with a trip to fuck the studs of paris!  do
the AFCs here now understand why "can I buy you a drink" is a DISASTEROUS line? :(

>A few months and several dinners later she told me that she rely liked
>me as a friend.

yes.  you are her GIRLfriend.

>But I should not expect more.

because she is not a lesbian and you have no dick.

>I know that she likes
>tall big muscular men ( like here father ). I am 174 cm ( 5' 7'' ). She
>also started to be very confusing.

no.  you are the one that is confused.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>She told me that she didn't liked
>the way I looked and touched at here and she ended our relationship.

you WERE being used.  she DIDN'T give a shit about you. she NEVER INTENDED
to fuck you.  she WAS FUCKING OTHER MEN that she FOUND SEXUALLY attractive.
you WERE footing the bill for her international whoring. SHE STOPPED IT BEFORE
YOU GOT THE CHANCE TO STOP IT :(

>4 months later in September,  we meet each other in a fragrance shop.

uh-oh :/

>She told me she had job in the shop selling fragrance and cosmetics.
>She also told me that she had moved from her boyfriend.

don't do it...

>We started to see each other again and had several nice dinners.

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>When I visited her job I learned from her friends
>that she had told a lot about me. Who I was, my 
>occupation as a marketing manager etc etc.

that you are a hump.  that you give her money for free. that you would
probably buy a girl a car if she even TOUCHED you sexually...

>I felt that everything was set to happen.

HAHAHAHA it's BEEN happening!  YOU just weren't in on the fun :)

>Every time I visited her at
>the shop and when we had dinners, I could see of the body language that
>she liked me.

bitches love $$$... you are right.

>But I don't wanted to risk that she gets mad at me for
>any reason, I just didn't wanted to force anything.   So I didn't hug
>her or kiss her.

it is much better to have her spend all the money that YOU worked hard to
get. do you know how much ACTUAL SEX you could have gotten for all that dinner
and paris money you spent on that worthless bitch?

you weren't FORCING HER to spend your money, now were you? :)

>4 weeks ago we had agreed to have dinner. We decided to see each other
>at the entrance to the shopping mall where the fragrance shop is. When
>I came she was there hugging another guy and she introduced us for
>each other.   She had a relation with the doorman/guard working at
>the shopping mall. ( a tall and muscular guy without brain ).

notice how she was physical with HIM in the way that she CUT YOU OFF for
trying to get physical with her.  HE IS A FUCKING GUARD IN THE MALL!  HOW MUCH
MONEY DO YO THINK HE MAKES?  STOP THROWING MONEY AT THIS BITCH!  feed the hungry
or do something good with the money :(

>I must say that I was really confused.

let me clear things up for you...

you are being used.  she doesn't give a shit about you. she doesn't intend
to fuck you.  she is fucking OTHER men that she finds sexually attractive.  you
are footing the bill for her international whoring. stop.

>However we had a dinner that evening.

you are the money and entertainment.  he is the DICK that she likes to suck.
any questions?

>I asked what her boyfriend said when she was going out
>with me.  She told me that he had nothing to do with it.

yes he does.  you paid for the outfit he was wearing when you walked up to
the mall :)

>She also
>told me that the relation with the guy was not so very serious and that
>he was peculiar!!

what would you have done if she had told you how she had just finished
sucking his dick before she kissed you hello?  would you have taken her to dinner
and spent more money on her or rushed out to buy Listerine? HAHAHAHAHA :)

>One week later I visited her at the fragrance shop a Friday afternoon.
>We had some small talk an I asked her out for dinner that evening. She
>told me that she couldn't because she should go out with her girl
>friends.

oh please!  there is only one reason she would not go out to spend more of
your money.  she is fitting to ride his BALONEY PONY!  hehehehe :)

>I was then told by one of her girl friends that she and  the
>boyfriend had visited the guys parents that Friday.

can you get a clue?  mr. WHORE-FINANCIER?

>I got a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. .. I am so damn
>confused... I would appreciate any advice, tip, or ideas by anyone,..
>( after reading this myself, I must consider myself to be a total
>AFC without cojones )
>
>Thank you in advance

you need to let that bitch know that you want sex from her so she can CUT
YOU OFF AGAIN and you will see her true colors.


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Maniac High -ed note:

Sheesh... shit like this happens every day, with examples like this on this site....

...and then women write to me every week asking what leads me to have the attitude 
I have and why I am so "cruel to women" to put up something like pickupguide on 
the internet..   

... what must they be thinking? ..I mean, what else were they expecting?

Fuck! It makes me feel like puking every time I read that story above!

Fortunately, the poor guy who wrote the original story above, did find,
alt.seduction.fast, got himself set straight there, and finally cut off and
dumped  the bitch in the above story, and learned how to pick up real women.

Thank God!

[The lesson from this to remember, is that: CHICKS NEED YOUR ATTENTION, MONEY AND
ADVICE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED THEIR PUSSY. THEY NEED THESE THINGS FROM YOU
THE SAME WAY AND JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED SEX FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEIR BRAINS
ARE WIRED THAT WAY (JUST LIKE OURS ARE TO NEED SEX). SO DO NOT EVER UNDERVALUE OR
UNDERSELL YOURSELF, LIKE THAT POOR SOP DID IN THE STORY ABOVE! JUST REMEMBER
THE CHICK NEEDS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE (CHARACTER, MONEY, JOB, FUNN-NESS,
"SPECIAL" ATTENTION, CARING, AND OF COURSE GREAT SEX!), JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED 
HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS... MAKE HER WORK FOR IT, OR YOU WILL GET PLAYED LIKE THAT 
GUY DID!

Now go read the rest of this site so you learn the right way to do a PU!


Maniac High
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Sample results when reader follows Maniac’s PU Guide

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's seduction website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Example of an ASF reader followomh Maniac's PU Guide
and results!




From xxjuanxx@yupimail.com Fri Feb 25 02:21:59 2000
From: "depredador" 
Subject: maniac, everyone here?s a kiss close first date.
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

I met this girl on december 30 last date of work at the company
I work for. she was talking to a friend of mine and I approch them
say hello to my friend and then to her.

when I saw her a couple of hours later alone I asked her how long
had she known my friend, I started asking her what she usually 
does on weekends, favorit type of movies,artist,music,....
she gave me her phone number and I told her that I was probably going
to the beach that weekend, but if not I would give her a call.

I gave her a call on january 1 after telling her a couple of jokes
about new year?s day I set up the date at 6 pm (usually the sun sets at
7 here in winter and at 8 pm on summer) I met her at a shopping
center near where she lives. when i saw her i told her first "happy new
year" and hug her to start the kino. we got in my car and 
went to a coffee/bar shop. 

when we were in the car i started talking to her about last night
parties, but she looked kind of unconfortable
i started talking about music, artist she had told me se liked.
at the coffee shop i chose a four chair table and i sat next to her.
i told her how nice is to have someone to share the free time
if she?d had a boyfriend she got along with pretty well, after hearding
her story i started telling her my favorit love story "a real one" at
my work a have a friend who?s sister used to work there 
she went to california for some trainnig and met a guy there
they started to send e-mails to each other, he came to this company
for a month they went out in california,and went out when he came down
here. he went back and after a couple of months they decided to get
merried they got merried and went to live in california. well this is
the story, of course the way i usually tell it to girls sounds more
interesting, besides when i told them about when they went out i start
to use some ss tips from ross like: as she kept talking to her
she notice she liked the sound of his voice, she notice they have the
same likes, dislikes, about movies music, kind of the same goals and
probably that?s why the get along with each other very well.
you know you never know when/where you can meet someone that?s gonna
change your life. it was kind of  hard to start the kino since she had
her arms crossed. but she looked as if she were daydreaming after
hearding the story. she was wearing a couple of golden rings so i touch
them and said, there nice so she uncrossed her arms i started to hold
her hand and said your skin is real soft i?m sure you don?t do de
dishes. se laughs. l let her hand go. finish our drinks.

 we went for a walk. i stopped out side of the coffee shop. there was a
picture of gloria stefan on the wall, one of her favorite singers i
offer my arm
a la french while pointing with my other hand at the picture.
and continue walking i was wearing a collar/button bu short sleeve
shirt as she was holding my arm she started to rob it a little bit
and laid it against her tit. a took her to a souveniers shop started
looking at the things on the window, slowly raised my hand to point at
a puppet like toy that was on top so she had to let go of my arm
while i was asking her if she like that one a took her hand. and
continue walking, i head to an area near by were there are usually some
couples kissing. at that time 8-9pm. i stopped the walking and told
her. you know when i used to live in usa a friend taught me that when
they meet an special person in europe they let her know it whith
a hug and a kiss on the cheek, so i did that i was starting to get a
little nervous since this was one of my first expiriences using this
tips. after that i started to hold both her hands. and started to get
my body closed to hers. no resistence. i ask her. are you a romantic
girl? she said she was i tried to kiss her she looked to the side
avoiding the kiss. i started to kiss her cheek,neck,hear. no
resistence, i started while kissig her cheek to get closer to her
mouth, she looked to the side again, so i started to kiss the corner of
her mouth. i told her i?ve have i wonderful time with you tonight.
she looked at me and lean forward so i started to kiss her passionetly.
kept walking,french kissing. it was like 10 pm
she said she had to go home know since she was going some where with
her mom early. so i took her home.
i was able to lay her two weeks later.

ok i live in guadalajara mexico the second biggest city famous for
mariachi,beautiful girls and tequila (there?s a small town an hour away
called tequila where tequila originated. that?s where the name comes
from) so my first language is spanish. guadalajara is four hours  from
puerto vallarta. a beach crowded all year round with turist from
usa and canada.
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