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>990529>Outing report: Ms. Black Hotpants; golddigger evasion; and anti>supplication..then detonation!..a dating disaster (for her. ;-) )
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>Hi all;>>Today?s outing is with Miss HB  Hotpants,22 Y.O, a ?9. or ?10?>(one of the chicks from 15 phone numbers and 4 kiss closes), who (to my>surprise), did show up for her date, to my surprise.   Buy Tramadol No Prescription, There would be NO surprise at a chick showing up for a date if you were SUREthat you had demonstrated personality and value to her when you met that placedyou above the average Joe.  If you were sure that you made a connection withher that made her interested in seeing YOU again (not just going out on a date)you would not have been surprised that she came out because it would have beenin her own best interests.

>Okay, Tramadol over the counter, HB hotpants was a  golddigger chick it turns out. I did blow her>out half way through the date as a reuslt (was very funny; see below!),>but still the advice I am looking here, is how to do quick detection>and early removal of such chicks (in hind site, there were a few clues,>but this could be done better I think), to minimize the loss of>time/effort money, or to get her to respect you in a different way at>first so she doesn?t even try shit like this (I can say though, from>what I can tell, I was the first guy I think to not supplicate and blow>her out like this..more on that later?as I said, this story, though not>a lay, is an awesome learning opporutinty in its own way?).>>First, the summary (and then the story, Order Tramadol, from start to end). The chick,>was an HB, very cute. We had date..movie, Buy Tramadol No Prescription. 
STOP RIGHT THERE.  Why are you DATING a chick that you're not FUCKING.  Youfucked up from the beginning.  As I mentioned earlier, you didn't sufficientlydemonstrate personality to her, so why was she going out with you.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, To dostuff... at YOUR EXPENSE.  She did not come out to kiss you, not to hold YOURhand.  Her being with you had nothing to do with YOU.  I am not attacking you,but you need to be able to detect where you stand with a chick, Tramadol samples, and certainlyNOT dating them before you fuck them.  Ask them to MEET YOU somewhere forCOFFEE, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  At the most, you buy them A coffee and lose whatever, 3 bucks gettingto know what she is willing to give you.  After that, fuck her THEN take herout as a rewardfor good behavior.  What were you rewarding her with a movieand dinner for.  For accepting your invitation to come outside her house.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, Forgracing YOU with her presence, she deserves stuff.  NO.  Until you demonstratevalue and make the connection with her, you can ASSUME that anyone that askedher to go out that night would have had her with them... and they would havebeen paying too.

>We decided, we would then go>to supper, Where can i buy Tramadol online, and then go drinking after.  
That's a whole lot of time and money to be spent on a chick that you don't knowANYTHING about, Buy Tramadol No Prescription. Chekc in the newsletters or something about why dating chicksbefore fucking them is like gambling.

>Allright, the beginning, I met Hotpants chick in a bar with Mr. Smooth>last weekend. Read the details of "15 phone numbers and 4 kiss closes">for how I got her, and what happened that day.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, Okay, now one detail I>forgot, which turns out is important. At one night in the bar, when we>were holding each other..etc, she wanted a pizza, so she got up and>waited for me, and we went to the other end to get Pizza for everyone.>We ordered it, and when the pizza came, she didn?t gesture anything>about paying money. I hadn?t thought about it, where can i order Tramadol without prescription, as it was for everyone>anyways, so I paid it and we went down. She also asked for a drink, but>we had lots of tickets on the table from the admission, so that was>fine, it didn?t really cost anything.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.  Since she was standing there with you, she SHOULDhave gestured to pay half of it or at least for the portion she planend to eat(with the intention that everyone else chip in when you get back to the table)

You should have acted like you didn't bring your wallet by accident and toldher "Pay for it and I'll give you my half when we get back to the table"  Shewould have meta-stated right out while she figured out a way to get you to payfor everything.  You would have seen her looking confused and you would NOThave seen her get out any money, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  She would have told you to go back and getyour wallet.  You then would have known what kind of chick this is and only toinvite her to your house for DRINKS and FUCKING.

>Okay, fast forward to this afternoon. We meet; she said that she wanted>to see a movie, but I could choose, Buy cheapest Tramadol, so we saw the flick, and I bought>her ticket (is this okay guys.  Seems reasonable I think). Buy Tramadol No Prescription, NO THIS IS NOT OK.  It was her idea to see the movie.  You and she are notfucking.  There is no reason that you should pay for ANYTHING of hers.  If youwent out with a male friend of yours, would you pay for HIM to get in thetheater.  NO, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  Until she is putting out, treat her like one of the fellas.  Ifshe wants shit paid for, let her know the fucking rules.  I only pay for shitfor chicks that suck my dick on a regular basis (or whatever it is that youlike from chicks)  She can then either get with the program, get her fuckingmoney out and pay since she doesn't want to sex you, or get the fuck out ofdodge.  I'll tell you what...  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, if a chick would rather pay for a movie thanagree to fucking later, dump her right there.  Fuck the movie.., where can i find Tramadol online. go pick upother chicks.

>There was an hour before the movie, so we had some time. She said in>the meantime, she wanted to go shopping (I say fine). We head to a dept>store, and she starts looking at chick stuff (uh oh, supplication>evasive action needed), so after she buys somthing, I tell her I need a>guys necklace, and I want to get that, Buy Tramadol No Prescription. She says fine, and says that she>will follow me. From then, till the movie, we now shop for my stuff.>That is good, now I am leading her again.
I don't understand the usefulness of this shopping business.  Maybe you arethinking this has something to do with pacing and leading.  Not that I wouldever be in this situation since I don't like to gamble with my money at all,but if I were...  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, I would have taken her someplace where I could get my handson her and start massaging her or SOMETHING getting me closer to the goal ofhaving my dick in her mouth.  Buy Tramadol without a prescription, A park, a bar, the movie theater bathroom...

SOMETHING.  If she wasn't interested in petting or kissing or whatever... dumpher, go find other chicks.  Do you know how many chicks you could have met inthe hour and a half that you watched that movie, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.

>As we walk around, I start my repetroire of questions, to start to get>her talking about passion and guy stuff.  It is very hard, when I ask>her her favorite actor, she say no one particular. I ask her her>favorite clubs, she says everywhere I like. It was like this, buy Tramadol in canada, for most>things I asked, so I couldn?t get an anchor in, or get anything>started.   Buy Tramadol No Prescription, If she is not a talker, she is a listener.  As soon as she didn't want to tellyou shit, you should have told her thta you have a friend that... and told herthe story about the chick you tied up.  If you can't elicit feelings, usequotes or any other style to MAKE HER think about fucking and sucking.

>She did respond okay to me touching her now and then though with noresistance.
Not good enough, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  Touching her now and then.  You have her ISOLATED.  You arein SEX MODE from the second you pick her up or the two of you meet.  Touchingher now and then at this stage is way to opassive.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, The only point of askingher out is getting physical with her.  Otherwise, Australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal, stay on the phone.  It's likeGreg said.  He sets it all up on AOL from the privacy of his home, then meetsthem after it is all set up. It's too late at this point for all that highschool, can I touch your breast shit.

>Before the film starts, she asks me what I am doing this evening, and I>say I haven?t made particular plans yet.
VERY VERY VERY bad sign, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  What does she mean what are you doing this evening.

To me that says "I have no intention of spending any more time with you than wediscussed".  That's ridiculous.  If she had really been into YOU, she wouldhave been hoping and praying that you didn't have anything else to do tonight,so she could be with YOU for as much time as you would give her.

>She tells me she has an Buy Tramadol No Prescription, >appointment with her chick friend, and would I like to join then (this>was strange, I posted a thread a while ago, about what to do when>chicks brings their friends uninvited, but there was no real>conclusion, except not to supplicate and be the nice guy who pays for>everything for her and her friends, as in such a situation there is>zero chance to lay the chick, chicks dont lay guys who supplicate).>>But this was different (it seemed), she said she already had the>appointment, (why she booked an appointment the same day as a date I>dunno, though I guess now I do ;-) ), and was asking me to join them.>So I said fine, I will join the both of them.
TOTALLY FUCKED UP.  You HAD her isolated.  Now you are going back into thesituation where the chicks don't want to look like sluts in front of theirfriends.  I would never have gone for this.  First she asks what you aredoing.., purchase Tramadol online no prescription. implying that she is going to do something without you, then she tellsyou what she is going to do without you, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  Again, this would never happen to mebecause by this point in the date, I would have been all over her to the pointwhere she would not have been interested in meeting her girlfriend, or shewould have left me alone.  A date is for physical contact.  If you had beenmore aggressive, you would have either scared her off or made her get with it.

I also don't feel from your posts (though I could be wrong since I don't knowyou) that you are aggressive enough to pull TWO of these chicks at the sametime.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, Not attacking your skills, but you were having a hard enough time withthis one, and you were now ADDING another one in that you enver even met.  Youare ADDING AN OBSTACLE.  You may as well have conceded not fucking her rightthere IMO.

>We watch the movie, it was okay. The film ends, and she goes to the>bathroom (without asking, Online buy Tramadol without a prescription, just she goes?I notice this is strange). 
It is not strange, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  WHO ARE YOU.  See what you get for not demonstratingpersonality.  You are the money-source.  There is no reason to tell yourpocketbook or wallet when you are going to the bathroom...  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, you just go.

>Then we head out, and she fails my arm holding a-la french promenade test>(she lightly rejects it). My experience here is that this is a very>tiny intrusion, and chicks who reject this, I never get to lay. This is>very bad, and I get concerned.
Now you're getting it :)>We get to the bus to go from Shibuya (where the film was), to Roppongi,>where she said she was meeting her friend. She gets on the bus, and>here is my first fuckup which I notice (maybe?), order Tramadol from mexican pharmacy. She gets on the bus>and waits for me to pay the busfare, Buy Tramadol No Prescription. So I did (bad..ouch?though at>first glance I figure I shouldn?t. think about paying bus fare, it is>only $1.50 anyways, but the gesture (and that it was too cheap for her,>should have clued me in). 
I said earlier... don't pay for ANYTHING.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, That bitch has a job.  She hasenough money to buy miniskirts and go shopping earlier, but she doesn't havemoney for the bus.  She is treating you like a suitor, but you're not gettingany of the benefits of being a suitor.  She has constantly been playing you fora sucker.

>OKAY; MOMENT OF TRUTH #1?how would you guys>have handled this (remember, you are on a bus, Buy Tramadol from mexico, in  front of the driver,>and folks behind you in line, so scene making here is not really>possible. Only thing I could think of is tell her, she has to pay to>ride the bus (at which point, it probably is best I just get off the>bus, since the date is dead anyways?).
Pay for your fare and walk to the back and SIT THE FUCK DOWN, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  She has toeither come up with the cash or get off the bus.  If she asks you to pay forit... refer to the rules I mentioned about paying for the movie.. she's trappedagain.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, PAY OR PLAY.

>Now, before, you jump on me for supplicating, the reason I did this, is>cuz a couple months ago, another chick did the exact same thing, and I>did lay her that night anyways?so I figured that maybe it was okay>since its only $1.50, and it got me laid once anyways.. So this is no>so clear cut, Tramadol pharmacy, like the arm-ala french promenade test.
Yeah it is.  Treated like a suitor, but you don't get any kissing, sucking orfucking.  It is definitely a test.  You pay if she plays, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  PERIOD.

>Okay, so we ride the bus. Now an amusing thing happens. A guy calls her>on her phone, who I guess tried to get into her panties a few weeks>ago, but failed.   Buy Tramadol No Prescription, AHA.  Why is her phone on if she is so interested in being with you.  I alwayshave my cel on.  Buy Tramadol online no prescription, People call me for stuff and I change plans mid-stream.  Whena chick is annoyed enough to ask me who called or if anything came up, I cantell that she wants my time for herself.  If I feel the same way, then I turnit off to show her that I am committed to her.., Buy Tramadol No Prescription. for the time being :)>She tells him he was rude (guess, he walked her home,>andthen didn?t want to leave after she insisted), and wont give up. I>gesture to her to give me the phone, so I take it, and say "Hello; and>the guy says hello; and I say, sorry; she?s taken!";; that was funny.
Yeah, pretty funny.
Now, when this SAMURAI hacks you to fucking pieces for mouthing off to him,we'll see how funny it was :(You don't know who was on the other line.  That could have been some mob boss, rx free Tramadol.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, He might have known where she was eating dinner that night.  She may have hadplans to fuck him after you paid for her night on the town.  You also usedyourself as a neg-hit on the other guy, so now he will do more work to get thechick than before.  I will say again, you put yourself in the place of thesuitor, and you got NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER.  You even said "she's taken".  Youhad no claim on her at all at that point because you were not physical enoughto tell what you were going to get from her, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.

>Otherwise, conversation is good, she says that she was out everynight>this week, and it was fun (she was wearing a super micro mini BTW,>today, and I have to say it was very nice), and drank a lot..  Buy Tramadol no prescription, She did>hand shaking, and stuff; it was good.
Get a clue.  The chick is out every night.  This is no home-body.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, She is notgoing to be impressed by anything that you are doing for her tonight, becauseanother guy did the same routine last night and another the night before.  It'slike when guys get to fuck drunk chicks.  She fucked you because she was hornyand you were there.  It was nothing that you did yourself.  All this paradingaround and movies and buses and dinners are throwaways.  All you needed to dois sit her down for coffee and captura and lead her imagination, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.

>We get to Roppongi, where we meet her friend, and Hotpants HB asks me>where I would like to go eat (this was odd I thought), so I pick an>italian place I like nearby. We go there, she picks up her friend on>the way. Her friend is cute, nice, where can i buy cheapest Tramadol online, but more shy. Seems like a nice>girl.>>We have a nice supper and talk, I do my palm reading pattern, and that>works well, get some hand holding and all that.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, Then, something>happens, which tells me what?s going to come next (that this date is>done, and they are about to be blown out?and I was write).
Again, it is too late in the game for gimmicks and patterns.  You saw episode 1by now.  Anakin got to the enemy cruiser on autopilot, then R2 cut him looseand he blew up the ship on his own.  Eventually, you have to work off ofnatural skill and instinct.  Now that you have added this other chick, youREALLY should have been concentrating on disarming obstacles.

>We were joking about her drinking nights, and I joked lightly, that she>goes meeting guys, and has them buy her drinks, Buy Tramadol No Prescription. She said yes, in a>smirky kind of way.  Tramadol from canadian pharmacy, Now I was expecting trouble, because, this means>that she probably was expecting me to buy her and her friend (who I>didn?t invite) supper. I get ready for the blowup and how to handle it.>She notices my face change, and asks me is something wrong. I snap out>of it after a moment, and get normal, and running the patterns, and>stuff again, and things are normal (hey, I might just be wrong, and>everything will be okay..so I stay positive, but prepare for the>worst).
Back on autopilot huh.

 Buy Tramadol No Prescription, >Supper finishes, and now the blowup happens. The bill comes, and I tell>everyone how much they owe (actually, my intention was to tell everyone>how much they owe, Tramadol for sale, and then when my chick HB Hotpants took her money>out, I would quietly gesture that she (but not her friend) didn?t have>to pay (why should I pay for her friend. I didn?t invite her!).
weak weak weak.  Didn't you see where this ceased to be a date.  I mean itnever was a date, REALLY.  She was hanging out with you and milking you, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  Assoon as she added her friend in it was really over.  Everyone needed to pay forher own shit.  PERIOD.

>But, then they tried to tell me they had no money (I figure that HB>hotpants, told her friend that I would be paying for everything).  At Buy Tramadol No Prescription, >this point, I knew it was blown and didn?t care anymore; I asked them>again that they have to pay their share; and the guy was waiting. They>said they didn?t have any money.
Look how you got played.  hahaha didn't you say that just earlier you WENTSHOPPING WITH HER.  Online buying Tramadol, Did she mention to you when you were shopping that shespent her last dollar on what she bought.  If not, she was lying.  What kind ofbitches are these anyway that come outside without any money, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.
You SHOULD have told the waiter to go back where he came from and come backwith seperate checks.  You should have itemized your portion and paid your owncheck and walked out, leaving those bitches there to rot.  They either wouldhave washed the fucking chopsticks all night or paid for their shit.

>Now I paid the bill (not to supplicate to the chicks; as I blew them>out instantly and in their faces once we got outside, boy were they>embarrassed?, but it is a restaurant I frequent often, my reputation is>important there and I didn?t want to make such a scene in front of the>staff and patrons, as I do wish to return again, and be treated well as>I always am, when I go there with someone else.).
Your rep ios fine as long as you pay for what YOU bought...  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, no more.

>We got out the door, and I let her have it totally, order Tramadol no prescription. Her friend was at>first confused, and then horrified as I explained what her friend at>just done. I told her that I wasn?t an easy guy, and wasn?t going to>supplicate to her like this, just because she tramps around in a mini,>and although the friend seemed like a nice person, I wasn?t going to be>expected to be the bank, and pay for her and all of her friends>adventures.
but that's EXACTLY what happened isn't it.

>I went on to tell her, that I paid the bill only for respect of the>restaurant as I go often, and that she did an bad, selfish thing, and>that I was going home, and they can go do whatever they want without>me; that I wouldn?t stand for this sort of thing, Purchase Tramadol online, and I have enough>esteem to just say no. I told her, I have no problem to pay for a date>when I take a girl out, but I have a big problem if she expects to>bring all her uninvited friends and have me pay for them too
If it had been a DATE you would have had a good point there, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.

>HB hotpants (who probably is used to supplication, and never had this>happen before), was shocked, and her friend was horrified at what she>saw happened, and my massive mood change from inside.
Let's see:
YOUR VERBAL ATTACK < YOUR MONEY SPENT.

YOUR VERBAL ATTACK = YOUR MONEY SPENT.

YOUR VERBAL ATTACK > YOUR MONEY SPENT.
you see how your money was already spent by the time you "caught" these chicks.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, You could have cut her off at the movies, or even better, never promised hermovies and shit in order to LURE HER into hanging out with you.  If yourcompany is good enough, you can go somewhere free and quiet where you can getrefreshments and have a good time together.  It's that simple.  Does that makesense.

>I told her (and her friend heard); that I was a good, guy, and always>treated a woman well when I was with them, buy generic Tramadol, but  I would not let myself>be taken advatange of, and if she thought so, then she was too cheap a>girl for me, and she could go find someone else to be her bank account>cuz it sure wasn?t going to be me. I also said that she might think she>is so cute that she thinks she can make a guy supplicate to her all>night and pay for everything for her and her friends, but with me it>wasn?t so, and she wasn?t that cute that she could pull that with me,>and even if she was, I was a not an easy guy, I don?t supplicate like>the other guys she meets, and it wouldn?t work with me.
did she ITEMIZE the amount of money you spent on her (and on yourself becauseyou were out with her) as a counter point, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.

>Her friend just stood there in shock as I chewed out HB hotpants on the>street in front of the restaurant; probably never having seen such a>demonstration of anti supplication in her life (and the respect I>showed for the restaurant, but not to HB hotpants after her deed). Her>friend probably never saw a guy tell HB Hotpants off like this,>thinking she was so cute no guy would ever dare. Well I had no problem>doing so.>Then I said bye; turned around; and left..
Should have happened at the movie.  I guarantee you she would NEVER have paidto get in.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, She also would not have fucked you that night, because she hadplans to go clubbing with her girlfriend that night like every other night.

Now you kow how it works.  No dates before FUCKING.

>Okay, a couple things?first;; guys?look, Buy Tramadol online cod, the reason she was expecting>this, is because probably every other guy she ever went out with, when>faced with this situation; supplicated to HB Hotpants because she is>cute. But look!; once you supplicate..you lose?she will never fuck>you?.ever.. 
You have demonstrated this.., Buy Tramadol No Prescription. but all is not lost.  If she calls you after yourtantrum, she is crawling back to you in a very bad position.  You can thenchoose not to speak to her again as punishment, or make her your fucky-suckyslave so she can make amends.  Ever is a long time.

>And when you do this (let a chick try and steamroll you Buy Tramadol No Prescription, >this way..even if she is a 10), you will lose all your money, your>time, AND SHE WILL NEVER FUCK YOU. I know this, and that is why I>instantly cut her out, and cut her down, once she tried this. 
Not exactly.  You instantly cut her out as soon as you FIGURED OUT she wastrying this, buy no prescription Tramadol online.  She was getting over all night.  You should have remained calmand told them to walk with you and taken them directly ro a fucking ATM anddemanded your money back, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  If they didn't produce it, THEN you should havethrown the tantrum.  The only things you escaped paying for that night = allthree bus fare to the club, all three club entry cover charge, all three drinksall night, cab to the friend's house where the HB would have gotten out too andyou would have gotten a kiss on the cheek goodnight, and your lonely cab ridehome alone.

>We never>went to the second bar, (which she probably expected me to pay for too,>for her and her friend(s?) ), so just I got straight out of there after>I finished chewing her out, and embarassing her in front of everyone>and her friend in the street in front of the restaurant.
Good.

>The lessons here..>>HB hotpants was (genuinely I think), Tramadol price, expecting that I would let myself>get taken advanatage of, like every other guy, and she was going to>show how great a guy I was to all her friends, and how she could get me>to supplicate for her and do her beck and call because she is so cute?>Heck, maybe she even thinks this is (egads!) acceptable behavior, just>because so many guys supplicate to her that she got used to it.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, So,>lesson..supplication is bad..BAD, don?t do this. You ruin it for>yourself, and the next guys after that, cuz she gets used to all the>supplication, and not having to fuck for it..
Now you're learning :)  By the way, her behavior is completely acceptable.

Anyone that falls for her shit has himself to blame.  She is using what she'sgot to get what she wants.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just make sure you kowwhat you're doing when you play in the big leagues.., Buy Tramadol No Prescription. or at least learn thesigns to recognize the big-time female players.

>Anyways, buy cheap Tramadol no rx, back to the story?(well, I tell you, now her friends KNOW>how great a guy I am, cuz I stood up to her, right in her face, in>front of her friends..and told her off, and why, and that she was too>cheap for me, and I had no respect for her at all; anymore?I am miles>above her in rank now, and if her friend ever sees me again, boy will>she respect me (I am pretty sure HB?s  friend was not in on this game,>just the unknowning victim HB Hotpants. misguided showoff attempt;>judging from her confusion, and reaction once I explained it)..just she>wanted to show me off.  Order Tramadol online c.o.d, .so now anyways, her friend knows that I AM a>great guy, respect a girl, but I dont take shit and I don?t supplicate,>and I will respect the restaurant, if not them.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, So in the end, I won?
won what.  I am serious.  Please elaborate how you spent your money and yelledat a Japanese chick at the end of the night and that is a win.  I agree thatyou won from the time you stopped losing money to this female player, but Ican't see how you WON this situation, except for the fact that you have areally good set of things to look for to see where a chick is playing you formoney, and we all get to learn from your situation.

>Okay, now, time to learn from this..your opinions guys..realitically,>what are some tests, I can put on a chick to find this out very early>on; with a very high accuracy, before I waste an afternoon, and do the>movie thing/supper. (I know there were some signs, above; but as I>said, they were not clear cut, and I did shag chicks in similar>situations (except for the supper thing?I never ever shagged a chick>who by surprise decided she wanted to bring a friend to supper).
you don't need TESTS, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  Just watch what's going on around you.  When she goes toa cookie store, does she get out her puse and pay 35 cents for a cookie.  Ordoes she cuddle on your arm and say "buy me a cookie?" smiling at you and allcute, then forgetting about you after you buy it.  The most I will buy a chickis a coffee at the shop I tell her to meet me at.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, If she doesn't offer to buythe next round, or pay me for hers, she'd fucking MARKED.

>Ideas?opinions. Constructive comments on how I can do this better the>next time (no flames please), and other ways of detection/detterance?>>Finally, my major fuckup, is that somehow, I should have let her known>early on, and subtlly, that I don?t supplicate, and not to even try>such a stunt with me. I want her to know very early on, that she is>meeting me because she potentially wants to fuck me (or is willing to),>and that there is no possibility whatsoever that I will supplicate to>her like all the other guys do..>>How do I do this guys?
No dating before fucking.  More phone conversation.  More personalitydemonstration, Buy Tramadol No Prescription.  More connection creation.  You have a good grasp of the basicrules.  Use them :)>What could I have done (early on), to have her respect me (before the>dinner blow up), and not think about even trying a stunt like she>tried?so that I could have shagged her after all (I mean hey, she>does shag guys sometimes).>>(so weekend tally. 1 fuck; 1 blowup?.okay I guess?.)>>Opinions guys.  Buy Tramadol No Prescription, (oh. Remember, .this is a learning experience, and>since there was not a lay at the end, I already know there were>fuckups?so lets be constructive on the comments/criticisms?)..>okay?let?er rip!>>Maniac High
Great post maniac :)
I got a lot of practice cutting this bitch up while replying.  The stuff youput here set off BLARING alarms for me.  I have seen all that shit... including"buy me a cookie".  You'd better believe I told that bitch BUY YOURSELF ACOOKIE.  and the "date" continued as if it was never mentioned :)

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Subject: Outing report: Ms. Black Hotpants; golddigger evasion; and

anti supplication evasive action..detonation!.

Date: 1999/05/30

Author: maniac_high <maniac_high@pickupguide.com>


990529Outing report: Ms. Black Hotpants; golddigger evasion; and antisupplication..then detonation!..a dating disaster (for her. ;-) )
Hi all;
Today. outing is with Miss HB  Hotpants,22 Y.O, (one of the chicks

from 15 phone numbers and 4 kiss closes), who (to my surprise),

did show up for her date, to my surprise, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. This didn?t go as well as

Ms. Kinky on Friday (who I laid), but there are many lessons to be

learned from this, so it is valuable too, and I will post this disaster as

is for learning experience.  Zithromax price, I want your constructive comments on this

guys.
Okay, HB hotpants was a  golddigger chick it turns out.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, I did blow

her out half way through the date as a reuslt (was very funny; see

below!), but still the advice I am looking here, is how to do quick

detection and early removal of such chicks (in hind site, there were a

few clues, but this could be done better I think), to minimize the loss

of time/effort money, or to get her to respect you in a different way

at first so she doesn. even try shit like this (I can say though, from

what I can tell, I was the first guy I think to not supplicate and blow

her out like this..more on that later s I said, this story, though not a

lay, is an awesome learning opporutinty in its own way .
First, the summary (and then the story, order Zithromax no prescription, from start to end). The chick,

was an HB, very cute. We had date..movie. We decided, we would

then go to supper, and then go drinking after, Buy Zithromax No Prescription.  But she (w/o saying at

first) decided to bring a friend to dinner, and expected me to pay

(supplicate to her) for her and her friend. dinner. At that moment, Buy Zithromax online no prescription, everything went blew up (when I refused to supplicate), and told

them to fuck off, and I went home right after dinner. (Her friend was

in shock actually s I gave hotpants HB a big chewing out and a fuck

off if she thought I was such an easy guy who would supplicate to

her overt acts of selfishness oy was she wrong, and I gave them both

and evening they will not forget for a long time .  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, Okay, the story from start to end, like the last time, opinions guys

please, and strategies for next time There were some clues to her

behavior, which I didn?t pick up, that I should have, we?l analyze

these too.
Allright, the beginning, I met Hotpants chick in a bar with Mr.

Smooth last weekend. Read the details of "15 phone numbers and 4

kiss closes" for how I got her, and what happened that day, Zithromax pharmacy. Okay,

now one detail I forgot, which turns out is important. At one night in

the bar, when we were holding each other..etc, she wanted a pizza, so

she got up and waited for me, and we went to the other end to get

Pizza for everyone, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. We ordered it, and when the pizza came, she

didn?t gesture anything about paying money. I hadn. thought about

it, as it was for everyone anyways, Rx free Zithromax, so I paid it and we went down.

She also asked for a drink, but we had lots of tickets on the table

from the admission, so that was fine, it didn?t really cost anything.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, Okay, fast forward to this afternoon. We meet; she said that she

wanted to see a movie, but I could choose, so we saw the flick, and I

bought her ticket (is this okay guys. Seems reasonable I think).
There was an hour before the movie, purchase Zithromax online no prescription, so we had some time. She said

in the meantime, she wanted to go shopping (I say fine). We head to

a dept store, and she starts looking at chick stuff (uh oh, supplication

evasive action needed), so after she buys somthing, I tell her I need a

guys necklace, and I want to get that, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. She says fine, and says that she

will follow me. From then, till the movie, we now shop for my stuff.

That is good, Buy Zithromax online cod, now I am leading her again.
As we walk around, I start my repetroire of questions, to start to get

her talking about passion and guy stuff.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, It is very hard, when I ask

her her favorite actor, she say no one particular. I ask her her favorite

clubs, she says everywhere I like. It was like this, for most things I

asked, so I couldn. get an anchor in, or get anythingstarted, online buying Zithromax. She did respond okay to me touching her now and then

though with no resistance.
Before the film starts, she asks me what I am doing this evening, and

I say I haven, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. made particular plans yet. She tells me she has an

appointment with her chick friend, and would I like to join then (this

was strange, I posted a thread a while ago, about what to do when

chicks brings their friends uninvited, but there was no realconclusion, except not to supplicate and be the nice guy who pays for

everything for her and her friends, as in such a situation there is zero

chance to lay the chick, Zithromax for sale, chicks dont lay guys who supplicate).
But this was different (it seemed), she said she already had the

appointment, (why she booked an appointment the same day as a

date I dunno, though I guess now I do ;-) ), and was asking me to

join them. So I said fine, I will join the both of them.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, We watch the movie, it was okay. The film ends, and she goes to the

bathroom (without asking, just she goes  notice this is strange), where can i buy Zithromax online. Then

we head out, and she fails my arm holding a-la french promenade

test (she lightly rejects it). My experience here is that this is a very

tiny intrusion, and chicks who reject this, I never get to lay. This is

very bad, and I get concerned.
We get to the bus to go from Shibuya (where the film was), to

Roppongi, where she said she was meeting her friend, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. She gets on

the bus, and here is my first fuckup which I notice (maybe?).  Purchase Zithromax online, She

gets on the bus and waits for me to pay the busfare. So I did

(bad..ouch hough at first glance I figure I shouldn. think about

paying bus fare, it is only $1.50 anyways, but the gesture (and that it

was too cheap for her, should have clued me in).  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, OKAY; MOMENT

OF TRUTH #1 ow would you guys have handled this (remember,

you are on a bus, in  front of the driver, and folks behind you in line,

so scene making here is not really possible. Only thing I could think

of is tell her, she has to pay to ride the bus (at which point, it

probably is best I just get off the bus, since the date is dead

anyways .
Now, online buy Zithromax without a prescription, before, you jump on me for supplicating, the reason I did this,

is cuz a couple months ago, another chick did the exact same thing,

and I did lay her that night anyways o I figured that maybe it was

okay since its only $1.50, and it got me laid once anyways.. So this is

no so clear cut, like the arm-ala french promenade test.  Buy Zithromax in canada, Okay, so we ride the bus. Now an amusing thing happens, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. A guy

calls her on her phone, who I guess tried to get into her panties a few

weeks ago, but failed. She tells him he was rude (guess, he walked

her home, andthen didn?t want to leave after she insisted), and wont

give up. I gesture to her to give me the phone, so I take it, buy cheap Zithromax no rx, and say

"Hello; and the guy says hello; and I say, sorry; she. taken!";; that

was funny.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, Otherwise, conversation is good, she says that she was out

everynight this week, and it was fun (she was wearing a super micro

mini BTW, today, and I have to say it was very nice), and drank a

lot.. She did hand shaking, and stuff; it was good.
We get to Roppongi, where we meet her friend, and Hotpants HB

asks me where I would like to go eat (this was odd I thought), so I

pick an italian place I like nearby.  Zithromax over the counter, We go there, she picks up her

friend on the way. Her friend is cute, nice, but more shy. Seems like

a nice girl, Buy Zithromax No Prescription.
We have a nice supper and talk, I do my palm reading pattern, and

that works well, get some hand holding and all that. Then, somethinghappens, buy generic Zithromax, which tells me what. going to come next (that this date is

done, and they are about to be blown out nd I was write).
We were joking about her drinking nights, and I joked lightly, that

she goes meeting guys, and has them buy her drinks.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, She said yes, in

a smirky kind of way. Now I was expecting trouble, because, Where can i order Zithromax without prescription, this

means that she probably was expecting me to buy her and her friend

(who I didn?t invite) supper. I get ready for the blowup and how to

handle it. She notices my face change, and asks me is something

wrong. I snap out of it after a moment, and get normal, and running

the patterns, and stuff again, and things are normal (hey, I might just

be wrong, and everything will be okay..so I stay positive, order Zithromax online c.o.d, but prepare

for the worst).
Supper finishes, and now the blowup happens, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. The bill comes, and I

tell everyone how much they owe (actually, my intention was to tell

everyone how much they owe, and then when my chick HB Hotpants

took her money out, I would quietly gesture that she (but not her

friend) didn?t have to pay (why should I pay for her friend. I didn?t

invite her!).
But, then they tried to tell me they had no money (I figure that HB

hotpants, Buy Zithromax without a prescription, told her friend that I would be paying for everything). At

this point, I knew it was blown and didn?t care anymore; I asked

them again that they have to pay their share; and the guy was

waiting.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, They said they didn?t have any money.
Now I paid the bill (not to supplicate to the chicks; as I blew them

out instantly and in their faces once we got outside, boy were they

embarrassed  but it is a restaurant I frequent often, my reputation is

important there and I didn?t want to make such a scene in front of the

staff and patrons, as I do wish to return again, and be treated well as I

always am, when I go there with someone else.).
We got out the door, and I let her have it totally, australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal. Her friend was at

first confused, and then horrified as I explained what her friend at

just done. I told her that I wasn. an easy guy, and wasn, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. going to

supplicate to her like this, just because she tramps around in a mini,

and although the friend seemed like a nice person, I wasn. going to

be expected to be the bank, and pay for her and all of her friendsadventures.  Where can i buy cheapest Zithromax online, I went on to tell her, that I paid the bill only for respect of the

restaurant as I go often, and that she did an bad, selfish thing, and

that I was going home, and they can go do whatever they want

without me; that I wouldn. stand for this sort of thing, and I have

enough esteem to just say no.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, I told her, I have no problem to pay for

a date when I take a girl out, but I have a big problem if she expects

to bring all her uninvited friends and have me pay for them too
HB hotpants (who probably is used to supplication, and never had

this happen before), was shocked, and her friend was horrified at

what she saw happened, and my massive mood change from inside.
I told her (and her friend heard); that I was a good, guy, and always

treated a woman well when I was with them, order Zithromax from mexican pharmacy, but  I would not let

myself be taken advatange of, and if she thought so, then she was too

cheap a girl for me, and she could go find someone else to be her

bank account cuz it sure wasn. going to be me. I also said that she

might think she is so cute that she thinks she can make a guy

supplicate to her all night and pay for everything for her and her

friends, but with me it wasn. so, and she wasn. that cute that she

could pull that with me, and even if she was, I was a not an easy guy,

I don, Buy Zithromax No Prescription.  Buy no prescription Zithromax online, supplicate like the other guys she meets, and it wouldn. work

with me.
Her friend just stood there in shock as I chewed out HB hotpants on

the street in front of the restaurant; probably never having seen such

a demonstration of anti supplication in her life (and the respect I

showed for the restaurant, but not to HB hotpants after her deed).

Her friend probably never saw a guy tell HB Hotpants off like this,thinking she was so cute no guy would ever dare Well I had no

problem doing so.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, Then I said bye; turned around; and left..
--
Okay, a couple things, first;; guys, look, Zithromax from canadian pharmacy, the reason she was

expecting this, is because probably every other guy she ever went out

with, when faced with this situation; supplicated to HB Hotpants

because she is cute. But look!; once you supplicate..you lose he will

never fuck you ever.. And when you do this (let a chick try and

steamroll you this way..even if she is a 10), you will lose all your

money, your time, AND SHE WILL NEVER FUCK YOU. I know

this, Buy Zithromax no prescription, and that is why I instantly cut her out, and cut her down, once

she tried this. We never went to the second bar, (which she probably

expected me to pay for too, for her and her friend(s?) ), so just I got

straight out of there after I finished chewing her out, and

embarassing her in front of everyone and her friend in the street in

front of the restaurant, Buy Zithromax No Prescription.
The lessons here..
HB hotpants was (genuinely I think), expecting that I would let

myself get taken advanatage of, like every other guy, and she was

going to show how great a guy I was to all her friends, and how she

could get me to supplicate for her and do her beck and call because

she is so cute Heck, maybe she even thinks this is (egads!) acceptable

behavior, just because so many guys supplicate to her that she got

used to it, buy cheapest Zithromax. So, lesson..supplication is bad..BAD, don. do this.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, You

ruin it for yourself, and the next guys after that, cuz she gets used to

all the supplication, and not having to fuck for it..
Anyways, back to the story well, I tell you, now her friends

KNOW how great a guy I am, cuz I stood up to her, Order Zithromax, right in her

face, in front of her friends..and told her off, and why, and that she

was too cheap for me, and I had no respect for her at all; anymore

am miles above her in rank now, and if her friend ever sees me

again, boy  will she respect me (I am pretty sure HB?s  friend was not

in on this game, just the unknowning victim HB Hotpants misguided

showoff attempt; judging from her confusion, and reaction once I

explained it)..just she wanted to show me off. .so now anyways, her

friend knows that I AM a great guy, Zithromax samples, respect a girl, but I dont take

shit and I don. supplicate, and I will respect the restaurant, if not

them. So in the end, I won?t. Okay, now, time to learn from

this..your opinions guys..realitically, what are some tests, I can put

on a chick to find this out very early on; with a very high accuracy,

before I waste an afternoon, and do the movie thing/supper, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. (I know

there were some signs, above; but as I said, Where can i find Zithromax online, they were not clear cut,

and I did shag chicks in similar situations (except for the supper

thing  never ever shagged a chick who by surprise decided she

wanted to bring a friend to supper).
Ideas, opinions. Constructive comments on how I can do this better

thenext time (no flames please), and other ways of detection/detterance.

Finally, my major fuckup, is that somehow, I should have let her

known early on, and subtlly, buy Zithromax from mexico, that I don.  Buy Zithromax No Prescription, supplicate, and not to even

try such a stunt with me. I want her to know very early on, that she ismeeting me because she potentially wants to fuck me (or is willing

to), and that there is no possibility whatsoever that I will supplicate

to her like all the other guys do..
How do I do this guys.
What could I have done (early on), to have her respect me (before

the dinner blow up), and not think about even trying a stunt like shetried o that I could have shagged her after all (I mean hey, shedoes shag guys sometimes).
(so weekend tally 1 fuck; 1 blowup okay I guess )
Opinions guys.  (oh, Buy Zithromax No Prescription. Remember, .this is a learning experience, andsince there was not a lay at the end, I already know there werefuckups o lets be constructive on the comments/criticisms ..

okay et?r rip.
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