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Kipp’s Nightclub guide!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here it is....for comments/suggestions/points of clarification. Distills fucking
17 years of wisdom into a Guide that most cats can use. Perhaps a bit weak
on the higher-level organization (e.g., FMACTGH-style map) but in general it
covers most points.

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

Q-Why should we believe what you say? What is your success like?
A-In absolute numbers, by my count I have pulled about 16 women for same
nite fucks out of clubs (ONS) over the last 4 years. These women gave
themselves completely to me physically, including penetration. Add another 5
or 6 for hotels/apartment takeaways that typically went to 3rd base, but did not
involve full sex. On top of that, I have solicited over 100 phone #`s and had
follow-on relations with at least a dozen women whom I met initially in
clubs. These women have been white, Asian, Hispanic and black, with an age
distribution between 17 and mid-30s. Most have been J chicks in Tokyo.
I am not a clubber per se. I specifically go to clubs to meet women, not to
listen to the music (although I do enjoy the atmosphere of most clubs), and
importantly not to shoot the shit with male friends. I probably go out from 15
to 30 times per year. I usually work dance clubs (discos), with hip-hop &
rock bars high on the list. Increasingly I am finding my style works in
English/Irish pub settings as well, although there it is much more of a
mainstream PU as may be espoused by the likes of Maniac or Mystery... I
have often worked kink/fringe clubs as well (e.g., End-Up in San Francisco or
ManRay in Boston). I tend to avoid `hard core` clubs on rap or techno these
days --> a more mixed set is to my liking.

Q: Tokyo is Easy! Do your techniques work elsewhere?
A:I have pulled women in Boston (Landsdowne Street), Chicago (Rush
Street/North End), and San Francisco (Mission/Folsom district). I find Tokyo
to be the easiest market, but the techniques are generally applicable
anywhere. Tokyo is getting more difficult as more foreigners enter, and also
potentially because I am aging (more on that later).

Q: Why do you work clubs? Is it harder or easier than other channels? What
are the benefits and disadvantages?
A: I find clubs to be my easiest channel. Women are there for the plucking,
like fruit on a supermarket shelf. Yes, there may be more competition but it is
visible and defensible (cf the internet chicks who chat with 15 guys at once,
all invisible to you). I have developed strategies to exploit the vulnerabilities
of attractive women in the club scene, such as by choosing the best times to go
& what to look for before an approach.
Club work IS harder on the body (drinking, late nites) and less cerebral than
other approaches. You will be able to do much less patterning. It is often less
psychologically intimate as well, depending more on kino/suggestive body
language or a well-timed suggestive phrase (NLP?) than on deep patterning.
The art relies more on body reading, than word reading (which, in fact, is how
chicks think & operate on a right-brain basis so in this sense is a more direct
avenue to teh chick`s pussy).
On the plus side, the opportunities are gathered in mass as it is easier to
exploit the #`s game. The time constraints also FORCE you to speed up your
game, tighten to the essentials necessary for the lay. Club work also allows
you to move on from a temporary setback - if a club chick does not succumb
to advances/seduction, the next one is right down the bar. Failure is more
visible, which is why I believe some men are afraid of clubs. But the failure
usually carries a MUCH LOWER sunk cost than other types of `dating`
situations and nobody but you really gives a fuck that the chick blew you out
(unless they are laughing & making a big scene, but then it is YOUR fault for
not managing the exit parachute lever properly -- more later). Contrast the
club chick who dumps you by saying `I`m going to the bathroom` never to
return with a blind date or what have you where you are sometimes stuck
empty-handed after an unsuccessful 2-hour dinner/movie attempt at a fuck
close --> when you have to work the next day, and it is 10:30 at nite, and you
are stuck. You are left with your old friend righty with Ed Powers Does Dirty
Deb #178. Enough!

Q: Does club work have a shelf-life?
A: I do find it harder as I age -- not so much on outward appearances (I can
stay abreast of fashions), but on cultural differences talking to woman half my
age. Also, the ability to recover from an all-nite session declines with age. In
general, though, I still find I have the `touch` & I have lost at least 2 or 3
battles over the past 2 years to Men who were obviously in their mid-40s or
later (gray hair, paunches, and the like...). At the end of the day, with effort
age can be overcome and age is a mental state awareness as much as a
biological phenomenom, particularly when we are collapsing the time
dimension to say, one night. Age shows over time...

Q: I need a good wingman, right? All my friends are AFC...
A: Basically NO. I almost always work alone, which quite honestly is a
result of historical accident. It is very rare when I lose a woman or pair
because I don`t have a friend with me. Friends can come in useful for social
proof & to isolate your target, but they can also create jealousy/group dynamic
situations that are harder to control. I`ve seen way too many guys stand by
themselves, spending way too much time talking guy bull rather than hunting
pussy. Friends can be a distraction, believe it or not. I prefer to MINIMIZE
risk variables. I concentrate BETTER and FOLLOW MY INSTINCTS better
if I am alone. If I need a friend, I will try to recruit one mid-way through a
PU night. ADVANCED TOPIC: the most useful role of friends is for
protection from other guys, if a PU goes badly -- this has happened twice in
17 years, so it is rare but it does happen....

Q: Don`t you lack social proof if you work alone?
A: Yes, but you lie. I always tell chicks my friend(s) left earlier...this is
credible because the hour is usually very late. I am also moving around the
club, talking to people, so I don`t look like a social misfit. I will get a
HIGHER level of social proof by being with a hot chick in a club, rather than
being next to my buddy in jeans & dockers. I often sometimes bring pics,
etc. that show me with men/women so that the social proof is there
vicariously....I also recruit wings in-progress, and encourage other men to
move in on the friends of my targets...

Q: Cupid/fundamentals are important (looks, money, cars?)
A: Perhaps more than other channels, but they are not necessary. Leadership
& techniques skills are FAR more important. I closed my first hot chick in
Boston with a Honda Civic that had vinyl seats. Some fashion sense broadly
consistent with the club(s) you will frequent is helpful, but other than that
technique/alpha/kino rule the day. What most guys don`t realize is hot chicks
usually like the same alpha guys, many of whom don`t give a shit back about
them. These HBs get vulnerable (particularly around 3:30 AM in Tokyo).
You have an OPPORTUNITY..... I have also seen attractive women walk into
cabs with ugly mother fuckers, whereby I debrief the friend who stays
behind. The friend says `Yeah, she really didn`t like that guy, but she told me
she wanted to get laid tonite....he didn`t seem so bad after all SMILE`.
Believe me, alot of beautiful girls go with ugly guys...saw one last Friday
again where the initial feedback from a pair of girls who ended up GOING
HOME TO FUCK an unattractive yet persistent black male was that they
`despised black guys`....

These are some basics before I get started with the framework, which
basically tailors the FAMC model, spending more time on some steps, less on
others. I will continue to address topical ?`s where I feel appropriate....

2. MISSION STATEMENT:
I am going to the clubs to get laid tonite, and/or KC at least one woman. I
WILL at a minimum feel up the ass of at least one attractive woman. I am a
MAN and I make no apologies for my sexual desires. I will fulfill some of
these desires tonite. I WILL at a minimum get at least one or two telephone
#`s for follow-on work. I will make mistakes, but these will be learning
opportunites. I will not despise PUAs better than myself, but instead befriend
them and learn from them. I will RELAX and ENJOY myself no matter
what.

3. PREPARATION:
Dress--> slightly aggressive, with whatever happens to be in fashion (you may
need to ask women friends, go to department stores & ask cute clerks, watch
MTV, and importantly make a test run or two to some of the clubs in your
area to determine fashions). Choose colors that women say look good on
you. Black rarely fails. Baggy or loose clothes --> depends on the fashion. If
you want to go to a black/hip-hop venue, loose is HIGHLY recommended.
Otherwise whatever YOU FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE in and what you
have gotten positive FEMALE FEEDBACK on should do the trick. Some
clubs do not allow sneakers, so be advised. Avoid hum-drum clothing like
Dockers or Dexters, unless you are going to a white frat-boy type
club....Leather jackets are HIGHLY recommended--> women like leather,
generally.
Accessorize--> choose an interesting ring, necklace, arm band, tattoo, or what
have you. Or shoes/belt if jewelry is not your style. Cologne is
recommended. Again, ask female store clerks/friends or internet chat mates.
Generally, Polo/RL & CK are good standbyes. I`ve found Bvglari Pour
Homme to work for me, as well as Fahrenheit. Women love smells --> I often
get complemented on this. Cologne also defuses some of the alcohol/smoke
stench....Make sure you have some breathmints/mouthwash as well as you
don`t want to smell like an alkie or coffin-puffer even if you are ;-). Hair gel
can be a PLUS.

ADVANCED TOPICS (AT): I do not recommend going for the Jude Law AI
pimp look (wide collars, massive jewelry, leather)for beginners. Advanced
players can pull of an aggressive, pimp look. Unless you have major attitude
to go with this, I don`t advise it. I will also sometimes wear no underwear or
a leather brief if I want to make myself more conscious of my male power
(this is a bit OT, but it works for me and can make me more sexually charged
than I otherwise would be).
I will try to lay down a bit before going out in order to rest, and maybe have
one drink to relax. Listen to some power tunes to pump yourself up. Think
about your successes! Induce a POSITIVE frame of mind. You ARE the
MASTER of your destiny. You WILL get laid tonite --> no you will Lay the
Bitch tonite, not `get laid`. Getting laid is for passive wimps.

Other preps/things to bring with. Cell phone is a must for # closing (more on
method later). I try to bring interesting props, such as a disposable camera,
travel pics I`ve taken, origami paper, and the like. Sometimes I will use these
in the `Attract` stage of FMAC process that works for clubs as well. Don`t
forget the breathmints.

Oh yeah, one last point. Your goal will likely be to FUCK a CHICK THAT
NITE. Make sure your place is respectable. Spray an air freshener. Don`t
leave condoms (particularly used one) or pornos lying around (a mistake I
made 2 weeks ago). Have the fridge stocked with water & basic food. You
may need breakfast! If you want to get rid of the chick early (shouldn`t be a
problem w/ a club pick-up), perhaps set the alarm & tell the chick you have a
plan --> she has to go (soon after the fuck, early in the morning). Espeically
helpful for married men.

4. STRATEGY:
Minimize risks, maximize opportunites. Your enemies will be excess
variables (friends, groups, time gaps, to a lesser extent other men); your allies
will be opportunities in numbers & mobility, as well as your preparedness &
PU skills.

5. TACTICS
5a. Where to go, & when? Choose an area of high club density --> you will
likely find yourself wanting to club hop. Choose a club that has some side
area where you can break away with a chick and talk. Loud music is OK, if
there is some side area/table area or fast-food restaurants nearby outside. Try
to find a club where they don`t hustle you to buy a drink every 15 minutes...
When to go? I recommend going near closing time, minus one hour. Take the
close time and subtract 1 hour. You want to be IN the club for the prior 1.5-2
hours. This is when the women will be horniest, many men will have left, and
the hot chicks will be on the rebound from getting dumped by the hot guys
who have chosen a different chick & therefore desperate to re-affirm their
sexiness (which you will be more than happy to do). It is the time when
decisions are made on whom to leave with and spend the nite. Much before
this time window, and there is too much `playing` (6 times out of 10 the guy
the chick is flirting with at 12:30 will NOT be the one she walks into a cab
with at 4 AM -- trust me, many men make this mistake of assuming too early
that she is `spoken for`). Much later than the 1 hour before close time
window, and you will feel too rushed and risk that the best ones WILL in fact
likely have been scooped up.
Examples--> Boston club closes at 2AM, be there between 11:30 and 1,1:30.
Tokyo club closes at 5AM, be there between 1:30 and 3;30-4.

As for days of the week, Saturdays are best in terms of volume & people
being relaxed, unburdened by work. Followed next in attractiveness by a
theme nite where there will be fewer men, and which ladies drinks are usually
discounted. Fridays are average. Sundays-Tuesdays are tough.....depending
on theme nites.
Should you drive or taxi or train? Up to you. I prefer to taxi, but it could be
easier to get a chick into a car provided you are sober enough to drive (e.g.,
wanna lift home or wanna see my place - but be careful that she is not using
you for a ride, and in fact will fuck you: if you think she wants just a ride, test
her shit by trying to take a taxi to your place). Generally, if you`ve laid the
groundwork to the point where she is leaving with you --> shouldn`t matter
how you get there. Car is preferable to train, because it minimizes the
distance between you & distractions from other people.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

TIP: Don`t obsess about the `To Drink or Not to Drink` issue, that is a
distraction. Choose alcoholic or non -- YOUR preference, not one dictated by
social pressure. If you are concern ed about feeling wimpy about not
drinking, then order a Coke or OJ and pretend it is a mixed drink, although
that is quite lame. Better to drink non-alcoholic proudly if that`s your
preference. If a chick wants to give you shit about it, then you make a joke
out of it and tell her you are a world-class trained Olympian speed
skater/assassin or what have you and work a gig out of it to get her laughing &
realize the error of her ways -- she will remember your witty response FAR
more than the fact that you aren`t drinking Corona, and will likely be
impressed ;-) If you choose to drink alcoholic, fine. I suggest in moderation,
as being drunk can hinder the closing process (more later...)

Whom do I approach? Do NOT approach the first cute chick you see,
although as you get more skilled & if you have time constraints then using a
strict 3-second rule is not necessarily a `bad thing. However, for newbies I
advise taking time (about 5-15 minutes) to survey the atmosphere of the
club, who is with whom, wehre the dance floor is, where would be good
places to feel up a chick etc. Look like James Dean -- sexy, disinterested,
mysterious while sipping on your drink or a cigarette. Perhaps chat up the
bartender --> these people can give you social proof & be your allies....the
more friends you make, the better (although never forget your MISSION to
get laid with an HB, not chat up every friendly guy or girl in the joint...)

Scan the room & then walk the joint subtly so you can get all the key vantage
points all the while making EC --> make a mental note of who gave you EC
back, and save at least one of these for a later approach should your initial
attempts fail. Make at least 2 targets, and think of how you will approach
them...

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Golden Rule: "Follow the body, not the mouth. Listen to how she touches/responds
to your touching, not to her lame-ass foils such as ? I have a BF?.no?.I can't do
this here?.If her body is responding, the WOMAN is responding, and your chances
of fucking her are VERY HIGH".

WHOM DO I SARGE?
**Usually women go to clubs with friends; the difficulty of the approach increases
with the # of women; i.e., singles are easiest (but infrequent), pairs are optimal,
threes are doable, more than 3 and the variables are harder to control. Sometimes
guys can be in the mix; you should spend your 15 minute warm-up time getting
acclimated to the bar/club to make quick judgments about the relationship of guys to
the women you've identified as potential targets.

ADVANCED TOPIC: Guys are not bad, and can often be your allies as most guys
want to see other guys succeed in a meat market arena when the target female in ? is
not identical. Most newbies overestimate the likely "steady" romantic interest of
guy/girl mixed groups ? generally it is OK to approach, and if there is a
romantic/territorial issue then you usually find out pretty quickly in which case you
play it cool, back off, and re-orient quickly toward non-harmful conversation and
potentially defuse with flattering comments about what a "lucky guy" he is, or what a
"terrific looking couple" you are. You needn"t waste time here being buddy-buddy
and you will want to excuse yourself (toilet, talk to other friends, dance, drink,
whatever) pretty quickly if a formal leave even seems necessary.

I will usually look for an attractive girl, but not a knockout, who is standing/sitting to
the side of the dance floor (probably at a bar counter or table/peripheral area).
Assuming it is a single or pair, I will wait for a pause in the conversation before
making my cut-in ? nobody likes to be butted aside in a conversation, and if you
approach when the 2 friends are talking in earnest you will likely be an unwelcomed
interruption ? fatal mistake, tough to recover from. I will further look for girls who
look either really bored or having a good time ? chicks that seem to ooze attitude are
probably better saved for later, or else approached with a neg ala Mystery"s
techniques. Finally, I will typically approach women who are drinking alcohol, but
not visibly drunk. I find the Evian set and the boozer sets to be difficult to deal with
? I like leverage my buddy Jack Daniels as my ally in the PU, even if this may be
cheating (note?the key is to get the chick dammit; once you've fucked her so she is
screaming out of her panties, then you can proceed to have all the sober non-alcohol
fun you want in subsequent outings?)

ADVANCED TOPIC: WTF Kipp, you are telling me to avoid the 9s & 10?. What
kind of plan is that? I am simply saying start out on the 8s, or a mixed pair. Wait
until the 9s-10s get dissed by their alpha lust targets ? they will have less attitude
later. . Sometimes all the guys avoid the 10s as "beyond my league", and you can
swoop in, but that is an exception rather than the rule. As you get better, you can
directly approach better looking girls as a rule. But I assume if you know what you
are doing in clubs/bars, then you are likely not reading this manual.

HOW TO APPROACH?
This stage is WAAAAAAAAAYYYY overrated (even Maniac is increasingly saying
these days that J chicks have been taken by the lamest openers, such as 'what's your
e-mail address' or 'you look really hot, what's your name")

The key is to be relaxed, smiling, confident, not a panting dog, and simply approach
with good posture, a smile, good intonation, and strength of body manners. The girl
is a human animal ? she is processing not only WHAT you say, but at some
conscious/unconscious level your looks, manner, voice tone, scent, etc. VERBAL
COMMUNICATION is one part of the equation, and overrated in my view.
Particularly in what can be a noisy bar situation?..I may even approach the friend of
my primary target, just to disarm my entry into the cloister and frankly to take a bit of
the pressure off of myself (although this can backfire, if the friend takes your
approach as she is your primary target, in which case chick etiquette of not stepping
on friends' toes may kick in)

General rule-of-thumb styles for different bitches:
- friendly looking, happy cheerful ? neutral to compliment, weak praise, funny off-beat
- average looking ? neutral, slightly funny/offbeat
- queen bee / high bitch shield looking ? neg, neutral, to funny/offbeat. Avoid compliments.

Generally, HUMOR is GOOD, SHORT is SWEET. Make personal (clothing
accessories, general mannerisms, drink choice), social comments rather than talk
about politics, sports, & heavy stuff ? you are in a music club, not a DEBATE club.
LISTEN to a CHICK ? if she talks, grab onto her threads & let her TALK. Chicks
like to be listened to, and led powerfully. Nobody ? especially chicks ? likes to be
droned to sleep by too-long monologue, even if it is slightly witty in your mind (your
mind doesn"t count, her intellectually active mind counts 30%, her
body/subconscious mind counts 70%!!!!). You are in a bar, not a DEBATE CLUB.

**Examples of approaches:
1/ "Hi, this is a great song, don"t you think? Sounds like Janet Jackson, do you know
who it is?"
2/ "Wow, this song brings back memories/Wow, this song really makes me FEEL
like getting down & dancing ? brief dance demo ? don't you think so?"
3/ "Hi there, how are you? I couldn't help but notice your nails. Where did you find
that unique color?looks really cool in this lighting. They aren"t radioactive, though
(laugh)?."
4/ "Hi, I thought you were a leapord or zebra (if wearing animal print clothing), so
my buddy wanted me to come over & check it out to see if it was safe - big smile,
playful poke, laugh?."
5/ "What"s that drink, looks tasty (assuming odd colored drink)-> do you always
drink that?"
6/ "You remind me of xx (famous person) or yy (some chick you know). I bet you
get that all the time?."
7/ Use a prop if you must. Have a disposable camera, either ask to take their pic or
have them take you/your buddies?..whatever, anything to break the ice.
8/ Travel topics are good. Maybe break the ice by blurting out "It feels soooo good
to be back in town after 2 weeks in Hawaii, wherever". Chicks like to travel, & you
can immediately start talking about places you've been/want to go ? create an "our
world" travel state, and substantiate this w/ travel pics assuming you may have put
some in your billfold?.
9/Lastly, compliment on non-threatening accessory ? shoes, earring, lipstick,
necklace, etc. While you probably spent 5 minutes deciding what neckchain you
were gonna wear, the chick probably spent 3 hours (lol!), asked 6 friends how it
looked ? so suave her insecurities?..

CHICK RESPONSES:
1/ Warm Receptive (answers your ?, smiles, maybe introduces herself/friends)
2/ Neutral (smiles to neutral face, acknowledges your ? & maybe answers)
3/ Cool bitch (ignores you)
4/ Ice cold (walks away or tells you to piss off)

In my experience, you probably get a distribution of something like 10%-30%
WARM, 30%-40% NEUTRAL, and the remainder cool/ice. Unfortunately, I am not
going to give you any magic formula to win over the cool/ice crowd immediately ? I
would suggest a Mystery/RJ neg theory approach which frankly I am not that skilled
in.. And yes, they are likely the ones w/ the biggest tits and shortest mini skirts.
You are best off after a cool/ice reception to simply say "see you", move on, and
maybe approach later once their alpha males have gone off to fuck her friend in the
toilet/car and you have likely demonstrated social proof by being w/ other chicks, on
the dance floor, etc. You will likely be feeling wounded, and if you try to pursue
much further immediately will risk coming off as whiny/needy/loser. Bitches smell
dripping blood and are trained to go in for the kill ? you don't need that now. You
know that she is a bitch, and if you have the chance AND choose to approach her
again later on, you will know that you have to display ATTITUDE &
DESIREABILITY back to her. Don"t lose state here ? rejection happens to all guys,
even the best. Maybe she is on the rag, maybe she is pathetically in love w/ one guy
or type of guy (she only rides Benz, never Beemers or Bentleys), there could be a
million reasons that are not necessarily PERSONALLY directed against you. And
yes, maybe you are not "cute" or "young" or "buffed" enough. Shit happens. Forget
about it. Move on.

ADVANCED TOPIC: WTF Kipp, you are telling me I am going to fail maybe 50%
of the time in an approach? That is not a PUA. Well, that's life guys. Even Mystery
in his RJ challenges posits that clubs can be the most difficult channels to work.
Besides, what are your options? Staying at home with Ed Powers Dirty Debs #178 ?
you meet exactly 0 women. Approach nobody but retain your precious ego? You
meet exactly 0 women, or maybe 1-2 UG's who feel sorry for you & approach you.
You have to get out on the battlefield, take some shrapnel, but win the WAR even if
you lose a few battles along the way & get some bumps/bruises.

Remember, you have PLANNED ahead. You are not captive to 1, 2, or 3 chicks'
unreceptive responses to your advances. NO! A key plank of your master plan is
that you are SHAMELESSLY WORKING numbers and EXPLOITING MYRIAD
OPPORTUNITIES. There are other tuna in the sea. There are other seas (clubs) to
which you can sail easily. Don"t sweat a rejection ? she has LOST her opportunity to
feel GREAT with you, that is her LOSS. Move on. Demonstrate your VALUE to the
next chick.

WHAT TO SAY AFTER THE OPENER, where the chick has not ejected or dismissed you?
**This is, second to kino & making powerful sexually directed moves towards the
close, is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the PU. More important than the opener,
which as you read above can be corny, lame, or whatever. More important than the
target selection phase. It is at this stage that you DEMONSTRATE your VALUE,
and decide whether YOU want to CONTINUE the SARGE or move on to the next
butterfly. It can last anywhere from 5-10 minutes to hour(s).
It is also the most conventional stage where the RJ, Maniac, Mystery seduction
materials come in useful. So take heart, seduction skills learned/used elsewhere can
and even should be CRUCIAL SUCCESS ACCELERATORS in the club environs as
well.

After an opener, quickly exchange intros "By the way, my name is Kipp - rhymes
with HIP (laugh). What's yours ? oh, don't tell me, I wanna guess ? OK, give me a
hint". Make quick games/routines that will facilitate chicks remembering you & that
will DIFFERENTIATE U from the other Harry, Dicks, and Hiros out there. Here
is where you continue to demonstrate communication skills (you can talk), and also
good body language. I strongly advise raising your drink to hers/theirs, and doing a
brief toast as you SMILE. (By the way, a toast is actually a good/quick/harmless
exit if a PU is not that successfull ? simply act like you just wanted to toast to some
new "friends" in the bar and move on quickly."

The post-opener stage is also where you are screening for basic compatability: e.g, is
the chick 10 years older than you which you don"t like, is she visiting just for the
weekend from Montana, what kind of music does she like, does she have any unique
hobbies etc. You also have to deal/neutralize friends at this stage. INCLUDE
friends in the conversation initially, maybe ask how they met/if they are good friends,
etc. At some point, sooner rather than later, you will want to isolate your target so I
would suggest subtly positioning yourself IN BETWEEN the friends so that you have
SOLO talking opportunities/KINO opportunities with your target. You can
probably venture light shoulder/body touching here and see if it is well received
(usually no problem 75% of the time; if they recoil, back off, apologize laughingly
saying something like "WOW! Didn"t realize my drink was that strong? what did
they put in there (laugh)". Etc. But it is generally a BAD sign if social kino is
rejected and the chick is probably frigid.

Post-opener stage is where you can run routines, props, etc. For example, 4?s or
simply ask what kind of animal they think they/friends/you resemble, and make jokes
about that. Better to have some conversation that is slightly funny, witty, non-
threatening. You can also pull out your pics you brought, a sketchpad, a camera, ,
talk about a success you had traveling/at work, etc. which DEMONSTRATES your
ACHIEVEMENTS and a MAN who is worth being with. Again, sort of the standard
seduction tool kit which I am not going to go over in detail in this guide ;-(
ADVANCED TOPIC: sometimes it is a great strategy to approach a pair WITHOUT
a well-defined target in mind. See how the flow develops, which one seems to
demonstrate more interest. As you are closer, you will be able to guage them better
physically. But probably the most important thing to bear in mind ALL ELSE
EQUAL is to choose the dominant/leader of the group as your target. That way, as
you go to eject, your chances of being cockblocked by a jealous/alpha female friend
of your target will be much lower. I have learned from experience by losing the
submissive of pairs, when the alpha dragged my friend away to another venue (with
her guy, as is often the case!!!)

Post-opener is also where awkward ?s can come up:
1/ Are you hitting on me? ANSWER: well, if you want me to be honest ? and my
Mom taught me honesty is the best policy - YES. I find you really unique, attractive,
etc. " Note, you have set the expectations, shown you have breeding, and made her
feel good. Now, if a chick will freak on this then that is her problem, and you
probably are best off ejecting.
2/ You do this to all the chicks, don't you? ANSWER: here, it is better to lie. Say
something like "That's a good ?, I can understand that?.but actually, no. I have just
finished this really big project at work I"ve been working on for my promotion to
senior associate, etc. and I haven't had time to hang out lately. But I finished, I'm
happy, and I met you so I feel great!'
3/ You have a GF, don't you?. ANSWER: "Well, women generally do find me
attractive, and I do have a lot of female friends ? what are you thinking, just friends,
really! -- but there's nobody special in my life now?.".
4/ You know, I have a BF?.ANSWER: acknowledge, but subsequently ignore. If
she ejects or continually whines about this, then so be it. Refer to RJs boyfriend
breaking rules. Maybe make some comment like, "he"s a lucky guy (who"s probably
ignoring her, and she feels good hearing that from you) and I'm glad we can talk
tonite, if you were my GF I would be really thrilled to talk to you because you have
so many really valuable things to say YADA YADA YADA'. Make the woman
aware she is MISSING something that you are MORE THAN HAPPY to provide ?
ego-fuck. Generally, speaking from experience in times where I have fucked married
women after they protested they had husbands, or where chicks w/ BFs not present
have eventually given me their phone #"s w/ a bullshit lie caveat to save face like
"we can all go out together sometime", BFs don't matter. Generally, the # close is
the test w/ these attached chicks. Try to get the #/e-mail by all means, even if they
(verbally) resist on grounds of being attached. The 64-million$ sign on whether they
are interested in you is whether they give you the contact info. If you get it, they are
receptive to you and INTERESTED. Period. 8 times out of 10 when you follow up,
they will conveniently forget to mention their BF/Hubby again or mention him only
as a logistical nuisance to you 2 getting something together ;-)

ALPHA MALES ? WHAT TO DO WHEN OTHER GUYS MOVE IN ON MY
TURF
**Best strategy is to pretend you are a blocking guard or a hockey player. Always
physically guard your target where possible. Get her in a corner, you in between the
social crowd. Hold her hand. Look firm at other guys who approach -- not a dick
asking for a fight, but confident & not willing to back down. If a guy insists on
approaching, or worse if your chick gets all googly-gaga over an alpha male she sees
coming close to the two of you, then do your best to ignore him AND her reactions.
By acknowledging his presence & potential influence, you have lost PART 1 of the
battle. If you have to acknowledge, do so briefly. Or else chat him up in great depth,
so that he gets lost in his PU pursuits. If he must join a conversation, do not let him
lead. You try to reassert & direct the conversation flow. But generally ignore is the
best strategy.

This is another reason why you always must try to have good kino w/ your chick ?
you have the chick's body (holding her hand, hip) even if her mind is straying. When
you risk losing is when the guy gets BOTH the chick's mind & body in tow?.also,
at some point if the guy is drunk, huge, and belligerent ? you have to consider your
personal safety (this is actually much rarer than commonly supposed, but it does
happen). If there are direct physical threats, then back off and concede defeat. Your
body is more important than any chick, and if you have to "fight" for you chick
(physically, that is) then she is worth shit. Also, going back to Wings ? either your
buddies or guys you've befriended that nite?Wings come in to play a
cockblock/defense role obviously. But I think that goes without saying.

ADVANCED TOPIC: if you are not in your native country and speak the local
language as well, which language should you use? Generally, I advise using YOUR
OWN NATIVE language or ENGLISH where possible. If your foreign language
(e.g., Spanish or Japanese) skills are pretty good, then go with it. But even in Japan,
English rarely fails and a lot of the girls EXPECT/WANT to HEAR English from
you, not less-than-perfect Japanese. Now, of course, throughout a developing
conversation it only helps you to throw in some key phrases in the native language to
impress the chicks/show them your versatility, but DON"t try to be a SMARTY
PANTS know-it-all unless you really a confident in that role.

WHAT TO DO NEXT, AFTER THE OPENER & DIRECTED TALK?
**Kino, kino, kino. Connect to the body, not only the mind. You need to isolate
your target, bring her to the dancefloor or get a drink together at the bar, and to be
liberally touching her here. Also make more comments that indicate your SOI ?
compliment on her eyes, skin, etc ? I would avoid saying things like "You have a
nice ass or really big tits", although GM style can work. I personally do not use it as
it is not congruent with my personality/overall style. I do GM through aggressive
kino, not words?..

HOW CAN I TELL IF THE CHICK IS INTERESTED?
**Well, firstly don't underestimate the fact she is still talking to you, and hasn't
given you the "I'm going to the bathroom/bar/look for my friend [to never return]"
line. That happens, it's part of the occupational hazards. Also, look for good eye
contact, smiles, her touching you & moving closer, etc.

WHAT IF MY TARGET DOESN't FANCY ME, but HER FRIEND DOES?
Well, you have two choices. 1/ You move on. Or 2/ you find out who the leader in
the group is (opinion leader), and get her on your side whether she is the one who
likes you or not. In this second option, you then do a more lengthy standard
seduction that demonstrates your VALUE to the women, so that the target gradually
warms to you. By the end of the nite, chances are the friend will have forgotten how
you actually moved into the target under her nose?. Remember, the bulk of the
initial impression may be appearances-based, so to generate interest in your target
you will have to demonstrate COMPELLING value beyond the appearances
dimension.

SHOULD I GO FOR THE CONTACT # EARLY, and bail? HOW DO I DO THIS?
**I have probably been moving up in my routine how quickly I go for a # close.
Partly cuz chicks can be dragged away by friends, harried near closing, etc. and it is
a bit stealth to go for a # closer sooner, where you may still be in the friends stage.
How to do it? Tell her you"ve really enjyyed getting to know her, let's chat some
more when we have some more time, etc (standard ASF stuff). Hopefully you've
defined a "next time"situation such as sharing some coffee you both like, a movie,
park, etc (again, standard ASF stuff). Logistically, the only way to do it these days
is to whip out your cell phone, & have her type in her # or read it to you, and call her
immediately to get it into your call history. This stage can be greatly facilitated
(maybe Japan specific) by whipping out phones to compare models ? I often say I am
looking to upgrade my handset, which is true --, showing pics/etc on the phone, what
have you. The # close grows out of a natural extension of this type of conversation,
and is not this big do-or-die pressure laden inflection point in the PU.

ADVANCED TOPIC: do not give out your biz card unless you really, freely want to
do it. Even then, think 5 times about it. Your privacy/work contact is valuable. Do
you really want to give it up that cheaply? That card could get into the wrong hands
(competition, headhunters, etc) that generate awkward calls to you at work ? so be
careful.

ADVANCED TOPIC: If the chick is in a large party-type group, then the optimal
strategy is to get a # contact fast & ask her to call you when she's free. That can
often happen later that nite, particularly if everyone involved (your side & her side) is
bar hopping ;-)

STILL, KIPP, HOW DO I KNOW TO CONTINUE THE SARGE or MOVE ON?
**There is no cookie-cutter answer. One risk of bar work that can lead you to 3rd
base w/ a chick and then a subsequent blur is that you spend the whole nite w/ her but
don't take her home on a successful exit, or she blurs on follow-on contact. Maybe
she ditches you late in the nite, where it is difficult to find new pussy (that sort of blur
is usually casued by her friends dragging her away, or her using friends as an excuse
to leave if she sees a cute guy, etc). Generally, if a sarge is going really well, I am on
the dance floor (more later) feeling her up/tonguing her down, I will stay w/ the chick
and try to bring her to another venue away from her friends (eating/coffee) and fuck
her that nite.

Sometimes I take the opposite approach, and simply try to get a collection of #"s.
The latter approach seems more efficient, but deceptively so. If you don't spend
enough time w/ the chick to make her feel good and/or get a tongue down, a follow
on date may be difficult to pull off successfully. You will fuck 90% of your bar
chicks that nite or the very next date (more in Final Thoughts later)? in my
experience, simply meeting at club & dating several times before sex is a very, very
difficult tactic to execute successfully. You need to get the sexual
interest/dominance/pissing on her like a dog marks his territory (metaphorically, of
course) ASAP. Also, if you cut away to sarge in the same club, you risk her seeing
you in action again & her being unreceptive afterwards. You also risk her being
picked up by another guy if you parachute out with time still on the clock. There is
no hard-and-fast rule, but if the PU-in-progress ain"t broke, don"t fix it ? go with
the flow.

If it is early in the nite & you want to get warmed up, walk around real
briefly/friendly and talk to a few pairs of girls. They don't have to be beautiful, but
shouldn't be UGs as they may damage your social proof. Engage them in light
convo, klink glasses w/ them w/ drinks, playfully dance/ grab their arms to warm up
your kino style and loosen you up, all the while continuing to scan to get EC from
other women and/or until you find a woman you really want to FUCK soon. Then
approach her and go through the sarge in depth?..

CAN I TAKE BREAKS? By all means, do so. Go to the mens room occasionally to
check your hair, reapply cologne,etc. Make yourself physically smile so that you are
CONSCIOUS of the need to put out a good face. Go back to the club. Chat up the
bartender. Find out what makes him tick. Maybe ask him for suggestions on how
you can be popular with the honies?most bartenders. if you"ve befriended them,
will talk pretty directly. Also, use this oppt'y to be friendly w/ another solo-type
dude if you want to recruit a Wingman in progress. Maybe talk to them 10 minutes,
spot a cute couple of girlies, and grab him & tell him "Let's go talk to those honies".
Get him in the role of disarming the "friend" of your primary target, so you don't
have to do all the work & get some social proof thrown in to boot!.

KIPP, TELL ME AGAIN HOW DO I GET KINO GOING & GET HER TO THE DANCEFLOOR?
**Up till now in this manual, I have probably OVERESTIMATED the use of
intellectual seduction. In practice, I will often go from opener to 10-15 minutes post-
open talk, lightly rubbing shoulders, legs, to grab hand & head for dance floor/place
arm around back/hips, and then kino. Getting to the dance floor is YOUR JOB to
lead, take her hand, drag her if you have to. If she blows you out here, don't worry
about other chicks seeing this, nobody will care. You are not 'damaged goods",
simply go to the bathroom, refresh, and sarge other chicks. Or go to the next club if
you feel like it.

A tongue down thereafter can be as soon as 10-15 minutes, particularly again as it is
likely LATE and ALCOHOL is kicking in. You need to feel up chicks as soon as
possible, get them in corners, away from their friends. Give them time to resurface &
go see friends (with you in tow), but be ALL OVER THEM LIKE A CHEAP SUIT.
For every 1 chick you lose w/ this aggressive/alpha approach, you will gain 10.

The risk w/ the ultra fast speed dial strategy is you are not building in the
hooks/demonstrating your value outside of sexual excitement. Chicks will blur on
you occassionally even after 2nd base (hence many of the negative club comments by
some guys that dirty dancing, even tongue-downs, don"t really mean shit). I agree.
If you accelerate the kissing/petting, you need to accelerate the EJECT as well and
make sure you are ALL OVER that chick for the rest of the nite. She needs to keep
the high of feeling good w/ you, and not listen to her bullshit friends when they come
to take her away from you.

CAN I SARGE DIRECTLY ON THE DANCE FLOOR?
**The better you dance, the better your chances of executing this tactic. I often move
closer (even if I am dancing with my primary target at the time) physically to other
target women. I will try to lightly brush their hips when I am dancing, etc, smile,
make EC. (Damn, Japan is great ? one chick I blatantly open-palmed ass rubbed for
like 10 minutes near close in her tight jeans ?hell, she kept backing into my hand &
didn't move away one iota!!!, when I was dancing w/ my primary whom I still am
dating as one of my stable chicks;-)

You can also go up directly to a pair of women / group of women & start dancing.
Usually you can sense their interest ? or lack thereof. Or if it is a dirty dancing/hip
hop contact dancing type of venue, just grab on to them & dance. See if they respond
or move away. Generally, though, I have backed away a bit from the direct dance
floor approaches, because they often end in dirty dance only ? unless the girl seems
real happy you are dancing w/ her (again, read the body ? is she smiling, touching
you, grinding her ass into your crotch?) then you can take away to a corner to
talk/pet, depending on the stage you're at.

HOW DO I HANDLE HER FRIENDS?
**You actively encourage other guys to hit on her friend(s). And I mean actively.
You say they look like a cute couple. You put her hands on him/his on her, etc. This
is not the time to be shy, my friend. Furthermore, you keep your physical distance
from friends. You politely acknowledge them to absolute minimum levels, but do
not indulge them. If your chick insists on walking towards her friends, don"t lose
physical contact with her. Where possible, physically block her friend from your
target (not in an obvious way, though). Your chick has made a choice to FEEL
GOOD WITH YOU that nite ? that is why chicks go to clubs, after all. They want to
FEEL WANTED. SEXY. HAVE FUN. We are not talking fucking librarians here,
but chicks out on the town for the EXPRESS purpose of HAVING A GOOD TIME.
It is your job to DEFINE GOOD TIME for them & deliver it with SATISFACTION
GUARANTEED.

HOW TO EJECT? HOW TO GET RID OF COCKBLOCKING FRIENDS?
DO I EJECT WITH FRIENDS IN TOW?
**Frankly, this is the weakest part of my nite. I have learned from alpha PUAs, who
never seem to say no & quit, and am still learning. Basically, literally tell her you are
hungry or whatever and drag her in tow. If she protests about her friends, tell her
you'll bring her back after eating (a lie) ? in this case, maybe choose clubs where re-
entry is easy. She should have her cell phone, so just tell her to bring it & she can
easily call her friends (chicks do this ALL THE TIME ? they are bullshitting you if
they say they need to be w/ their friends in visual sight all the time). Something else
you can do ? assuming you have gotten tongue down before ? tongue her down again
forcefully. Drag her out. You can do it. Give her chick bullshit back to her about
"what was that tonguedown all about, I KNOW you really like me by the way we
kissed, etc etc". Make her FEELINGS work, not her CONSCIOUS mind. Her Mind
wants to say NO, her body YES. You work on the body, not the mind. Make her
drink more booze if necessary, then repeat the process.

OK, WE HAVE EJECTED. WHERE DO WE GO?
**If you told her you were going to go to eat, do it. A fast food joint. Sit directly
next to her & feel her up while eating. Try to eject to your place ASAP. Use a
cab/car rather than train. Drag her along, tongue her down/feel her up/compliment
her/divert her attention along the way. Same techniques as before. Have her call
her friends & tell her she's OK,; it will be OK (CHICKS do this ALL THE TIME).

DO I PAY FOR HER, if a SARGE IS GOING WELL?
**Don't buy chicks drinks. You have not completed the sarge until SHE HAS
SWALLOWED YOUR MEAT & TASTED YOUR JIZZ. Don't forget the standard
ASF rules in progress. I have made mistakes in paying for post-club dinners (I am
often a bit drunk by this time as well) and drinks along the way (I will NEVER pay
for a drink right off the bat), only to be burned. Feign indifference, surprise
whenever it comes time to pay. Chicks will usually get the cue, and if they are worth
anything they will be prepared to fend for themselves/have budgeted the nite
properly. Paying for the drink will not get you the pussy; grabbing the pussy in a
dark corner will. Don't forget that. If you absolutely must, pay for your chick only
but don't be a fucking ATM machine for all her friends unless they are all gonna
come back to your place to fuck you in a wild orgy scene ;-)

ADVANCED TOPIC: well, hmm Kipp, it sound slike a lot of work to chat up a pair,
choose a target, and manage group dynamics. Why not just bring both of them back
to your place & fuck them silly????.ahhhhh, the topic of club generated group-
fucks. I have not done this. It seems eminently do-able, but overriding social mores
unfortunately do apply in clubs ;-(. Once I brought a pair back to my place & felt
them both up, but I was too drunk to work it & one turned really frigid. Once I
talked really GM to one chick and grabbed her ass blatantly while she was grabbing
my dick as she was dancing w/ my wing-recruit in progress, all the while I was
grinding w/ my primary. That one could've worked ? and in fact I got a follow-up
call from them ? but logistically on transportation issues crashed. I have one in
progress where I am following up w/ 2 chicks who are interested in me (they are best
friends), but one has a BF she brings along when we meet. I plan to crack the 3P
(three-some) nut from a club generated lead this year, and will have more. It is not
quite the lay-up that it seems, and should be!!!!!

WHAT IF I FAIL LATE at nite, and MY CHICK LEAVES WITH HER FRIENDS or worse, another GUY?
**That happens. Rather than sulk, embrace the OPPORTUNITY to open your eyes
& see what real life is in the after-hours club scene. In fact, you may want to do this
as part of your test-run(s) before you ever try to sarge at all, to open your eyes that
hot girls DO fuck guys they meet 2 hours ago in a club. This is how I learned how
to be more ALPHA in my approach. And that is why I don't feel guilty about being
aggressive? The fact is,more often than not, if I am the "nice guy" willing to listen to
a chick and back off on protests I am going to fast/too far, then some other guy
around the corner will step in and fuck her. Then she will send him 5 e-mails that
week about how she really digs him "as a person" even. And she won't even pick up
the phone when I call, assuming I had # closed. I HAVE HAD THESE PAINFUL
EXPERIENCES. It is true. Until you have fucked the chick & made her yours, you
are NOTHING to her. You have to fuck her fast!!!!!

Why did I change my style, and focus on ONS?
When I noticed girls getting into cabs who were different from the guys I had seen
them with 2 hours ago. When I noticed girls getting into cabs w/ "strange guys" at
all. When I noticed that girls suddenly did not have their friends w/ them (guy or
girl), whom I had assumed wrongly would be stuck with them like glue all nite.
When I noticed, yes, that girls whom I had sarged but decided were unfuckable were
jumping w/ joy into into cabs w/ other guys. And, even in one case, where I saw a
"friend" leaping into a cab w/ a guy where my girl (her friend) had dissed me 1 hour
earlier saying "I can't leave with you Kipp, I have to go home with my friend" -- my
girl probably had jumped into some guy's car sight unseen to me 10 minutes earlier
? LIES, all of them!! Learn!!! Open your eyes. Don't get angry, get FUCKING
EVEN with your STEVEN.

I went back and tallied my club scores, about 16 ONS in 2 continents over the past 4
years. This is a lot of ONS, and I know a lot of guys eschew ONS as cheap & risky.
Why this focus on ONS? Partly #'s by my experience, and judging the probabilities
of success. I have fucked, in addition to the ONS group, an additional 9 women on
follow-up # contact (NOTE to Maniac? this may be lower than the # I initially
suggested in Part 1). That is a pretty low #, and it surprised me. What further
surprised me was that to get those 9 follow-on fucks, I dated about 15-20 women.
Some women I dated multiple times. So my success rate in a fuck close fell to 50%
when I followed up. And if I could not get the fuck close on the very next date after
club # close, my success rate fell to like 10% (3 or 4 chicks only).

Therefore, for those of you who think I am too focused on moving too fast, my
experience ?even more than I would have supposed ? suggests that TIME is an
ENEMY in the club channel PU. (NOTE; I have had more success from
internet/other channels in dating 2-3-4 times & still getting the fuck close eventually).
Maybe club chicks are "fast"? Like a Richard Dawkins says, I am facing reality.
Genes are selfish. Girls quickly lose interest in you if they have not committed their
pussy to you. I would, ceteris paribus, prefer to date 3-4-5 times and then go for a
fuck close (I am a normal, well balanced man with many interests outside of PU) ?
however, the RealWorld simply does not seem to accommodate this from my
experience. That is another reason why I emphasize ONS/quick tongue-downs over
getting a handful of #'s which may or may not (probably not) mean shit at the end of
the day, into the next day(s).

Why club chicks, Kipp? To me, the site of young girls in hot fashions wiggling their
tits & asses in an open display of sexuality where they WANT to be SEEN &
FUCKED is an incomparable turn-on. The music/lights/smells create an atmosphere
that we HUMAN ANIMALS can turn on to!!! The #'s are there ? like Willie Sutton
said, I rob banks cuz that's where the $$$ is!!!! With a club chick, you can
immediately screen how hot she is (perhaps you may need to apply an alcohol
discount if you've been drinking). A lot of this contrasts with the repressed sexuality
we see in Western countries or even Japan w/ the gray suits/uniforms, and to me the
club experience is LIBERATING. Women are women; men are men. Differences
are celebrated!

Lastly, need I say, be realistic. Be aware of other people ? most are friendly, but
there are bad apples out there; when you scan clubs for chicks using my method, also
make a note of shady looking guys who give off a bad vibe & remember to stay clear
of them. Don't make enemies in clubs? if you get dissed, even cruelly, in a sarge,
then simply smile & walk on. Happens to the best from time to time. Don't ask for
trouble?your safety is more important than even CINDY CRAWFORD'S
SNATCH, my friend!!!. Don't leave valuables in club lockers ? try to travel lightly.
Always wear a helmut on your soldier & be aware of bodily risks/disease. That is
part of any sexually active lifestyle. A girl who sleeps with you on the first nite ? no
matter what she tells you or her friends ? likely may have done that before. Don't
harbor illusions ? if you take precautions, you should be OK! Have fun. Enjoy.

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

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Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » avoidn5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
Lines: 201


Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

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To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com

Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
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Buy Bactrim No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Rio comments on TokyoPUA's story.

From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

Tokyo PUA,This is a damn wicked report - this is cool shit. Not only that, but it'sgiven me clues as to where my approaches have been fucking up recently - ANDgiven me a few other insights and refreshed my memory about shit that Ilearnt with my current LTR (funny how too much sex makes you sloppy)

My comments follow:

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Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.

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Been out there a lot since last February, Buy Bactrim online cod, maybe 10 times or so. I guesspredominantly I go with a wing, but sometimes felt it screwed up my game.
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Rio -> I think wings are great to motive you and help psyche you up. Buy Bactrim from mexico, And ifthey know what they are doing they can handle shit, blocking chicks, andtake an educated critical perspective that we missed ourselves during a PU.
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For example -> I started a PU on two chicks in a bar and I told noticed thatthe body language of the chicks was contradictory - so TPUA suggested we doa takeaway (plus he didn't like the chicks either) so he suggested we bail.
Turned out to be a good move considering the chicks turned out to be femaleplayers as we found out later (maybe I can develop some rapport on that fornext time......., australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal. nah).
Anyway I scored a free bean cake.

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She did show some interest in that she actually asked you something - sothat would have been some encouragement to keep going.

I got a pen and wrote my number and at this point we are standing on thecorner near my place. I play on Japanese cuteness and write my name withhearts by it. Buy cheapest Bactrim, (None of this is stuff I would be able to do in the US.)

Rio - > But shy chicks love it. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, This is as subtle as they want to know thatyou aren't going to go into LJBF. Shit, some of them have the nerve to askif you have a girlfriend. If that isn't a giveaway to let us do the workuntil the end - I don't know what is. Being this blatant is good enough forthem.

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Rio -> Again, just getting to the point here and you aren't even phased thatshe rejected Johnathan's the first time to try again. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Maybe she just doesn'tlike Johnathan's.
All the presuppostitions helped well to gently FORCE her into an encounter -so to recap again:- she has given control to you in PU - you have nowhandled her resistance for her.

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Rio - > And the cool thing is that you can get away with being direct aboutideal guys cause she is the one in the passive position because of hershyness, order Bactrim online c.o.d. It's all up to you to do the work, the patterning, thetransitioning. She isn't going to do crap from now on......

I touched her a lot on the arm to anchor the goodfeelings. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, She said she really was too ideal, but that her ideal guy waslike her father, sweet and nice. Where can i order Bactrim without prescription, I asked if she wanted a guy who made herfeel safe, and she said yes. I compared our hand sizes and got kino,remarked at how small her hands were, that my big hands could protect her.

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Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > These shy girls really enjoy complements - whereas we're told toavoid them in most situations. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, They love anything romanitc - and she knewbeforehand that she was in for a proper seduction.

I mirrored her body positions a lot and this seemed to have a good effect. Buy cheap Bactrim no rx, She seemed really into it and wasn't trying too hard to get away despite itbeing after midnight and having to work the next day, only bringing up thetime when I did. She was rubbing her earlobe, and later playing with herponytail in a really sexy way, all with the doggy dinner bowl look.
I also showed kanji ability and had her write her name, and demonstrated howwe could study English together, buy Bactrim without a prescription, all using the Zaurus. (BTW, Did you buyone yet, Maniac, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. A useful tool in many ways. You can turn it into aportable digital photo album too, albeit poor quality...) She liked that.

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Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)

I have heard that SS patterns are no magic bullet, but my best seductionsare not when I've tried patterning per se, Bactrim pharmacy, but spoke to the chick as if Iwas doing a presentation in front of a live audience. Sounds strange, but Ihave so much confidence when I frame it like that, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Everything comes outnaturally, and yet powerfully.

In fact, I hate that comment that "Patterns are not magic bullets". If weavoid using patterns, and avoid talking persuasively, buy Bactrim in canada, and avoid even TRYING,then we are fighting without a possible weapon that MAY be effective.
Perhaps patterns are not MAGIC bullets, but they are STILL bullets. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Maybewhere patterns have failed is when a PUA has failed some basic PUA rules -in which case the patterns look pussy cause he is a still supplicating wussywith no balls, and/or letting his game fall apart.

Perhaps you don't need the NLP as much, Purchase Bactrim online, but being able to talk aboutsomething passionately that I like is what boosts my confidence and anyself-designed pattern I pull after that flows natural.

Next point :- Persistance. I've been thinking about this all day. Like thechick in the bar last night, and the shy chick I worked on on Saturday. Iforgot a basic rule - men lead, women follow, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Thing is, unlike women backhome, where can i buy Bactrim online, J-girls generally do NOT help you out in the slightest to helping youroot them. Times I have got laid is where persistance paid off. Just readingTokyoPUA's report reminded me of that. My approaches fucked it when Istarted the conversation, tested for interest, and when I got a big fat zeroresponse - I lamed out and bailed. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Then I remember what my LTR said about how she got attracted to me - and itwasn't at first sight. She was attracted to my persistance - and my boldnessto just kiss her and control her afterwards. Then reading yaritai's postabout the chick who crossed her arms for the whole date until he dropped the"I want to kiss you" line. This kind of shit. I have seen it a lot now. Myfriend and I had an interesting discussion last night at the bar anyway, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Heis a really good speaker, doesn't know patterns, but he speaks to me like heis giving a speech to an audience. He was saying that the depth of arelationship is based on how much shit we will put up with and deal withfrom the other person, and still love them.

Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.

Now the contradiction and my question : - How far do we go with ourpersistance, but at the same time not come off as being horny and desperate,or at least some kind of stalker - and yet still maintain the attitude of "Idon't need you, you need me"

Something to consider.

Comments gentlemen?

Svengali’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Kipp’s Nightclub guide!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
Lines: 201


Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com

Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Buy Bactrim No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Bactrim No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Rio comments on TokyoPUA's story.

From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

My comments follow:

Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.

Rio -> Initially she knew where you were doing a PU, and she threw controlsover to you. Here your persistance paid off. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Her shutting down didn'tdistract you.

Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)

Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.

Something to consider.

Comments gentlemen?

Svengali’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » avoid

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

www.pickupguide.com
Kipp, Maniac High
All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2002

Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
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I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
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Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

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To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

Buy Bactrim No Prescription

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

Buy Bactrim No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Rio comments on TokyoPUA's story.

From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

My comments follow:

Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.

Rio -> Initially she knew where you were doing a PU, and she threw controlsover to you. Here your persistance paid off. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Her shutting down didn'tdistract you.

Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)

Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.

Something to consider.

Comments gentlemen?

Svengali’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060$0n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

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Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

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Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Using the laws of power in PU!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
Lines: 201


Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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Rio comments on TokyoPUA's story.

From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

My comments follow:

Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.

Rio -> Initially she knew where you were doing a PU, and she threw controlsover to you. Here your persistance paid off. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Her shutting down didn'tdistract you.

Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)

Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.

Something to consider.

Comments gentlemen?

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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
Lines: 201


Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Maniac High's Pick Up Girls Guide and Seduction Website! » avoid

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

[Maniac High present's: KIPPS CLUB GUIDE!

This is Kipp's awesome guide for working the pub/nightclub scene!]

PART 1 CLUB GUIDE:

Here`s the Klub Guide (TM):
1. BACKGROUND:
Q-Who is Kipp?
A-I`m a mid-30s white American living in Tokyo.

5b. FIND
Walk into a club. Always smile & be positive. Stand tall, don`t slouch.
Make sure your hair is combed (or fashionably tousled, if that be the case).
Go up to the bar & get a drink.

What kind of women make good targets? Whom should I approach?
**PART2 to continue

Kipp's Klub Guide - Part 2. The APPROACH, the SARGE, the CLOSE

Jan, bartender at Tokyo hip-hop club Viettie: "The African guys have the most
success, because they don't care about failing and never quit hitting on the chicks".

Comments, helpful criticisms of a general (not personal) nature always welcome.

KIPP

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Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:
http://www.pickupguide.com

Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com


Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
Lines: 201


Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

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Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)

Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.

Something to consider.

Comments gentlemen?

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Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
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Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
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I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060Buy Bactrim No Prescriptionn5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
Lines: 201


Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website
http://www.pickupguide.com

Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
000501

Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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Buy Bactrim No Prescription, From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

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Rio comments on TokyoPUA's story.

From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

My comments follow:

Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.

Rio -> Initially she knew where you were doing a PU, and she threw controlsover to you. Here your persistance paid off. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Her shutting down didn'tdistract you.

Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

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Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

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Handling Chick Bullshit – Ms. Kinky wants me to be monogamous!

Maniac High — Fri, 14 May 2010 08:00:00 +0000

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Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
000428

I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

Maniac High
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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Lines: 63

In article <6O_N4.7060Svengali’s comments on the above storyn5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

Using the laws of power in PU!

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From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
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Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

Why you always want to be shagging multiple chicks!

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Why you always want to be dating several chicks at once.

From: Maniac High 
Date: May 7, 2000
Newsgroup: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!

HB Afro blowout! Why you should never date only one chick!
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Last week I heard that HB Afro (a J-chick I was fucking, with 
an afro haircut) was playing with other guys in a disco, and 
then this week, she cancelled our date, and basically blew me 
out.

There are some important lessons from this guys. Firstly, had 
I been an AFC, I would have NOT had any other GFs. I 
would have been dejected, asked for her back, supplicated, 
wondered what I did wrong, and then been single probably 
for the next 6 months.. blech! As it turns out though, I just 
picked up the phone, and REPLACED her with in 5 minutes 
with another HB (HB Vamp).

That is why I dont believe in monogamous relationships (they 
put too much power to the girl, who can get a guy in 10 
minutes in a bar by wearing a super mini and smiling, versus 
a guy, who even if he has skill, it takes anywhere from a few 
days to a few weeks), I already had a few things on the go, 
and additionally, could lay 3 new chicks the last week and 
half because I was already SEEING other chicks, was 
experienced, and was not psychologically fucked up from the 
HB afro blowout. 

That is why you always want to be fucking several girls. to 
avoid exactly situations like I could have found myself in
HAD I been "faithful" as they always ask for. fuck that!

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Rio comments on TokyoPUA's story.

From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct 8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245

My comments follow:

Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.

Rio -> Initially she knew where you were doing a PU, and she threw controlsover to you. Here your persistance paid off. Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Her shutting down didn'tdistract you.

Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that. She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.

Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......

But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.

Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.

Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)

Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.

Something to consider.

Comments gentlemen?

Svengali’s comments on the above story

Maniac High — Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:00:00 +0000

From the archives at Maniac High's Seduction Website:

http://www.pickupguide.com

Svengali's comments on David Shade's "The Kiss"

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> >David Shade posted:
> >I have got to get this woman to take me home, and I have to do it 
before
> >she realizes what she is doing in this crowded night club.

> (MrSex4uNYC) wrote: 
> I TOTALLY DISAGREE!  don't discount the effects of what you are doing 
to her. 
> yes you need to get her out of the crowd... but HOME is NOT where you 
want
> her.
>  there are too many things for her to consider that are going to break 
her
> state.  make out with her.  extract her somewhere and feel her up and 
make her
> BEG to have you inside her.  I hear that shit all the time "I want you 
inside
> me"  THAT'S what counts... NOT being in her house in a bed... the fact 
that
> she
> CRAVES PENETRATION!
> 
> you are also making erroneous assumptions.  you are ASSUMING that she 
would
> not
> do this in front of people.  she TOLD YOU that she LIKES being a slut.  
maybe
> sex in public is part of her slut-persona.  maybe NOT wanting to have 
sex in
> public but being FORCED TO by a strong man is part of it.  maybe not 
wanting
> to
> have sex in public but not being able to help herself BECAUSE she is 
truly a
> slut is what turns her on.  you are assuming she will take you home at 
all. 
> what if someone is at her house like a husband or a boyfriend or her 
mother is
> visiting?  what if her neighbors are nosey and she can't AFFORD to 
have any
> random guys come to her house or they will snitch?  what if she lives 
in a
> FUCKING TRAILER and is ashamed to take you there?  you are assuming 
she would
> RATHER be fucked at home than in a bar bathroom... like... a... SLUT!  
pay
> attention to the real-life ramifications of what she says to you WHILE 
you
> listen for the SS uses.  you elicited her fantasy, but didn't USE it.  
that
> shit about a strong man was really great.
> 
> right here... you should have started role-playing.
> 
> she has MADE HERSELF the slut.  she has made you HER MASTER!  be that 
man.  be
> her master.  take her.  do it.  perhaps it is easier said than done.  
I happen
> to be a chameleon.  I can change into whatever character is necessary 
to
> complete her fantasy.  I was cyber-sexing this chick the other day, 
and I
> realized that she was into a little ROUGHER treatment than I would use 
on a
> normal chick.  I IMMEDIATELY changed my style from descriptions of my 
regular
> kino to descriptions of a MASTER controlling HIS SLUT!
> I had fun and she TOTALLY got off on it.  I COULD have ignored what 
REALLY
> made
> her feel HOT and HORNY, but I wanted her to have the most INTENSE 
orgasm she
> could have and reflecting HER FANTASY to her was the key.  you should 
have
> ASSUMED THE PERSONA of a TRUE MASTER and dragged your slut off 
somewhere and
> shoved your dick in her mouth... but then again, I know you are the 
romantic
> and this may have been an emotional STRETCH for you... but I guarantee 
you it
> would have been worth it. :)
> 
> you even SAID that she wasn't drunk.  she knows EXACTLY what she's 
doing in a
> crowded nightclub.  she GAVE her body to you to use as you pleased.  
you
> should have gotten into character and USED HER!

I would like to add something here that I think will help you and
everyone who reads this post.  (A little bragging.)  I've been doing
this player game since I was thirteen and my First sex experience was
with Linda (my age), Karen and Sherry (15 + 16).  {End of bragging.} 
And one of the things I was taught by my mentor, and learned from then
on was to strike while the iron is hot.  In other words, if you make
her horny now, you have sex with her now.  That means if you are
wanting to get her to a more comfortable place (a guy's idea of what
women want), you destroy the mood, the adventure, the excitement, the
fun, the trance, the experience of what was taking place within her and
you.  However, if you follow through and do it somewhere, anywhere,
right now, she Automatically associates you with fun, excitement,
adventure, good times, bravado and all the other things you are wanting
from her.

BTW, more then 70% of my First sexual encounters occur outside her home
and mine, and all it takes to do it, is, your assurance to her that
it's okay for her to do so with you, and there will be no negative
reprocussions by you from her doing so.  {Don't ever violate the
integrity of your words/assumptions about this because word about it
will spread everywhere, and the only way you'll get women in that town
again is by avoiding it for about ten years or more.  This does NOT
mean that you can't drop her after sex, it simply means that after you
have sex with her, you don't avoid her because she is a "slut",
"whore", or similiar, and worse yet, tell everyone she is.}

Coming back on topic again, once you have sex with her, she
Automatically associates you with sex, so now you are lovers.  Which
means sex with you from this point forward.  So there's nothing else
that has to be over-cummed (he, he) and the relationship can just
proceed because one thing --sex-- has been established and taken for
granted (as to what will be too) in your relationship with her.

I'm going to use another analogy because this is a very important
point, and one that damn near every "player" messes up on.

You're in a bar, and you're talking to some guy about what a great
fighter you are, and how you don't take shit from anyone.  Suddenly the
guy behind you, overhearing this, says bullshit and shoves you.  At
this point you either (a) show the talk, or (b) talk your way out of
it.  If you choose "b", talk your way out of it, and you're in the bar
again, talking to the same guy you were talking with, and are shoved by
the same guy who shoved you previously, and you demonstrate your talk
by knocking him clear across the room, that act will have impact and be
impressive.  But in no way would it have the same impact and meaning
had you done it when the event first warranted your showing what you
said.

Has this helped in establishing the point I'm trying to make about
always going for and having sex with her now?

> > Remaining post snipped.

There's something else I see that "NYC" didn't delve into very much,
only because, I think, it's not his style (preference) at this point in
his life.

So first let me state "NYC's" preferred style, and mine:
Presently and admitedly, "NYC" desire-preference is love 'em and leave
'em, whereas mine is an ongoing, revolving collection of primary and
subsidary relationships that last days/weeks/months/years.

From what I can tell from your post, if you want an on-going
relationship with this woman, you're going to have to walk both sides
of the track with her.  By that I mean she has told you that she wants
passion, attentiveness and affection; and she has also told you how she
wants to be a directed, submissive, led, little girl slut too. 
Therefore, you Must play the role of domineering, totally controlling
authority figure who treats her like a little girl lolita slut, and the
woman who wants attention, affection, closeness, passion and
understanding too.  Most of all, you have to learn and sense when it's
time for you to play one role or the other.

To give you an example of what I mean, you could suddenly show up with
a boquet of flowers and say "this is for a very special woman who's
also smart enough to know when she should be a good little girl and get
down on her knees now and suck on my cock to show me she's a wonderful
slut", and that would be addressing both sides of her.  But some times,
because you see it's what she wants now, you're going to have to come
right out and say (like when you're in a restuarant) "I want you to be
a good little girl and crawl under this table and suck me off. 
Otherwise I'm going to have to punish you severely", and mean it. 
Other times, because you see and sense it, you're just going to have to
say "there's a closeness, a specialness about you and us that is
present because you're such a wonderful woman who knows what she
wants".

Anyway, I've been through many of these kind of relationships and they
are the most fun ride (pun and no pun intended) you can have.  The
trick is in learning and knowing which side of the track to walk.

Other things I have learned from Adult Lolita-sluts:
1) They'll want to be with other men too.
2) They'll do women too.
3) They make for great swing partners.
4) They'll do more and more of whatever you want them to do.
5) They'll do more and more of that which will surprise you too.
6) They become Very Exhibitionistic over time, and real prick teasers
with other men.  {Which can lead to one hell of a lot of fights if you
don't know what to do.}
7) The more jealous you get, the more she will disklike and want to
leave you.
8) They become tiring after awhile.  {The good news is, after you've
had your rest from one, you'll soon want another.}

Enjoy

-- 
If life's a bitch...
fuck her!

  'o o'
Svengali