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Orchestra game, Road of life, Cube, Favorite Animal



From book_guy@yahoo.com Thu Nov  2 11:35:23 2000
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More like "4 questions" game?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:47:44 GMT

Couple of mind games I've used before.

1. If you could be in an orchestra which instrument would you 
be. (Note, not which instrument does she play, if she plays one. 
Which one would she BE.) Why? What makes you attracted to that 
one. Shiny, loud, quiet, quaint, etc. Use adjectives.
[Maniac Note: the above game is in Kokology book]

2. You're travelling along a path or road. Imagine the 
surruondings - nature, setting, highway, path, street, etc. 
(your path in life). How are you travelling - car, wagon, 
walking, etc. (your "speed" in life, attitude, people you take 
along with you, partner). You come to a body of water 
(sexuality). You cross it (how you accept sexuality). You come 
to a barrier (challenges of finding a calling). How do you cross 
it (obvious). You come to a dwelling (your view of marriage and 
partnership). [note - if riding a horse or car, make sure you 
involve the vehicle in the opening of the door somehow - YOU are 
the horse she will ride, so get her to ride the horse through 
the front door or something!] The door is locked, how do you get 
in - key under mat, window, break it in, etc. (your view of how 
partners have initiated). What's inside (further view of 
partnership). What's out the back window (rewards of 
partnership). There are flowers, what are they like - color, 
size, number, where are they (children).

All this is pretty much off-the-cuff. I'm sure a real psych 
major could do a better job with it.

3. The cube, as best I can remember. You're in a desert (life) 
and you see a cube (life's challenges). Big and white means 
stuff, as does small and green or whatever. There's water 
(sexuality) and flowers (children) and a horse (partner) and a 
ladder or steps (how you solve the cube) and something inside 
the cube (rewards).
[Maniac Note: details are in 'Secrets of the Cube' book]

With all of these, it's important to elicit great detail in her 
descriptions. In 2, for example, don't let her get away with 
"garden path." Ask, is it brick, is it cement, are there hanging 
pots and plants, is it winter or summer, etc etc. Then just 
interpret as you see fit, like according to handwriting analysis 
or the Tarot deck. Build a narrative, look deeply in her eyes, 
tell her she as "intuited" something very deep and meaningful. 
Await doggy-dinner-bowl look. Move in for kill.

4. What is your favorite animal, describe it with three or four 
simple adjectives - tall, furry, black, fast, or whatever 
(self). What is the animal you'd best like to have, if you could 
own a private zoo complete with zookeeper and expensive 
cage/tank, which you would most like to own (how others see 
you). What is your favorite normal domestic animal - use the 
word "domestic", not the word "pet" - (how she views 
partnership). What is your favorite pet (how she views sex).

Note the difference between partnership and sex. If she has two 
very similar animals for domestic and pet, then link the two. 
Tiger and kitten: "hmm, I see that you view partnership as a 
grown up, larger, more important version of sex" heheheh. If 
they're radically differet, then differentiate: "hmm, Tiger 
Shark and Giraffe. I see that partnership is going to be a 
challenge for you but that sexuality is something you are free 
to have without excess partnership baggage." heheheh.

With all these, ya gotta extemporize. Just string a narrative 
together. Be interested in her "new self-awareness". And 
remember all those trance-words as they come through. Hundreds 
and hundreds of them. Look for tactile cues, as well, in item 4 
- furry, fun to pet, wet ... heheheh.




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Tactics:-kino and KAMI (see my HB subway LR for details and definition)-favorite movie/ideal man elicitation and link to self-lack of leaning, I was always in control-elicit values and reflect them, anticipated further values, then lead-quick action (entered bar and immediately talked to her after I ordered my drink, Order Flagyl online c.o.d, within
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the places where we were in the imaginary "interview")-hand size comparison routine for kino and sexual innuendo-language exchange (provides ops for humor and kino)-submodality/NLP SS exercise to get her feeling better (she had a bad day that day)-display value (can read Japanese/Chinese characters, fluent in Japanese)-David DeAngelo (DyD) neck smell technique-David X (Montreal PUA of Cliff's list fame) line "Yes, I am a pervert, but you will
have to just find out what kind ;-)"-generally portraying that I am an alpha male

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leading her-I pumped up my mental state before going out, visualizing and talking about how great the
night was going to be, etc.

Details:

Walked into the hotel bar in Korea with Jay looking fairly stylish in black pants and tan
DK thin shirt. I immediately scoped a 9.5 Korean HB at the bar with a friend and another
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fine ladies.

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my ritual 50 pushups before heading out of the hotel room to get my blood pumping, so this
probably helped) but answered in the affirmative anyway, and added that one of my hobbies
was Judo. I asked if she worked out and she said she is an aerobics instructor (schwing)
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Korean which got her writing down things on a pad with the hotel logo (that I conveniently
had in my pocket for such purposes), so that I could get some more good kino and
simultaneously signal my availability since I was staying in the same hotel.

I touched her hands and told her how I liked her soft skin. This also let me do my
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attracted to a man, I mean the second part of the interview?" She said that she likes a
man with a good body, and specifically a nice ass. I laughed and just repeated all the
values with some self points. At some point during this I am kinoing her softly and she
just spontaneously goes in and gives me a slight kiss on the cheek. I just accept it but
don't reciprocate immediately. Later I go in for the full kiss and we are tongueing down
in the bar. This usually isn't my style, but she was damn super fine and I was feeling
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after this. Buy Flagyl No Prescription, We just came to drink tonight and have fun." I just smiled and said something
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with his woman in a little bit but in perfect wingman form keeps her from trying to sit
with us so that I can work HBLucyLiu alone (and so he can work his chick alone too of
course).

She mentions at some point about having had a sort of bad day so here I do some of Ross's
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reviews on the site), just patterning on the fly, with some submodality and visualization.
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that is why I keep asking her for these descriptions.)So I said "OK, here is what we are going to do. I am going to take my hand, and put it
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going to just pull those needles out of you, OK?" She smiled and said yes, buy generic Flagyl, appearing very
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I move it closer it comes back just a little." (This stuff was a direct adaptation of
something Ross was doing in the Montreal seminar.) She nodded her head and I continued,
"So now I am going to ensure that the feeling never comes back, so I am going to take
these needles and put them far away in the dirt here. And now I think I can see a glowing
feeling here in your chest where those needles were." She was definitely intrigued by all
this, and said she felt much better, buy Flagyl no prescription. She had that relaxed look on her face that Ross likes
to call DDB (the Doggy Dinner Bowl look). Buy Flagyl No Prescription, Jay and his chick appeared at some point soon after this, and we all talked together for
awhile, Jay's chick drew some stuff, I figured out the meaning of character's in their
names, etc. I was again getting good kino on HBLucyLiu, running my hand up the inside of
her thigh where there was a slit in her dress, etc. Buy no prescription Flagyl online, At around this point the club closes, we all start walking out. Its not clear to them
where we are going, it just seems like we are heading to the taxi area. But of course Jay
and I have different plans. Jay mentioned he forgot his room key (the obvious implication
being that he and his chick will go back to his room, Buy Flagyl No Prescription. I just walk HBLucyLiu past the front
desk where Jay is trying to get his room key, Flagyl samples, and I take her straight to the elevator. I
do this while touching her on the back of her arm just above the elbow. This is where I
had been anchoring her positive responses all night. This technique is what I call KAMI
(Kino Anchored Motion Induction) and is absolutely lethal. Buy Flagyl No Prescription, For a full explanation see the
HB Subway LR. She looks back to where her friend was with Jay, but no objections of course
since she is feeling good (both about being led and from the KAMI). I kept the kino on in
the elevator but just acted 100% congruent with the situation, like it was the most
natural thing in the world that we should be going to my room. She was mine at this point,
so I was just being thorough. We went to my room and then she took control for awhile. I
wouldn't have yielded it, but who can say no to a super hot aerobics instructor who wants
to do a striptease for you in the Seoul moonlight, Buy Flagyl No Prescription. J I have to add here that she gets an
extra rating point for being able to stand on one leg while holding the other leg over her
head while I banged her (a new experience even for me), so to me she is like a 10.5. Also,
I elicited on later nights that she may have bi-tendencies, so basically this chick is
just off my scale!!.

Miscellaneous things: (I don't remember when exactly these happened in the flow of the
details above, but they were also good parts of the seduction, so I include them here):

-I displayed value by getting all the meanings of the Chinese characters in her name
right. After I did the same for her friend name she said, "Don't make me like you too
much!"-Ideal vacation routine-At one point she says something about "Women are evil" and I reply with something I
learned from the Moroccan PUA, "yes, sweet evil", she laughed and said she liked that
answer. As Rick H. Says, always have a better answer.

As a recent addendum, I hope to see her again in late October, and will try to set up a 3
some with her and another friend she introduced me to the next night. Details to follow?c
;-)

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Many excellent followups to the Psychicbabe re-lay report!
Mrsex4unyc, RJ..etc..etc.

From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

In article <92jvre$obh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maniac_high@yahoo.com writes:

>The immediate gold to take care of this, is to now make the
>relationship very high stakes for her. I can do this because
>I know that she is into me (from what she said at the dinner),
>so the idea is to play it that if she doesnt do her job as a
>chick.. she will lose EVERYTHING as far as I am concern.
>Ok, that is the plan, here we go:

plan or no plan, essentially, you are telling her the truth.  on a long-enough
timeline, the survival rate for EVERYONE is ZERO.  sooner or later, everyone
you love will either leave you or die.  chicks don't seem to believe in this,
though it is the absolute truth.  they think that they can relate to you
FOREVER, REGARDLESS of what they do or how they act.  you are telling her HOW
she can REMAIN with you and what is going to get her EJECTED.  even though it
takes a long time, so it doesn't SEEM like this... this is what has happened to
EVERY chick's relationship that has gone away.  EVENTUALLY, she was not
fulfilling her womanly duties and her man left her for a   chick (younger,
sexier, richer, swallower...)  EVEN if she IS fulfilling her duties, if her man
like it from another chick MORE, she loses out either in a PERCENTAGE of her
benefits or she gets DUMPED and loses ALL of her benefits.  you are merely
explaining this to her and telling her what she needs to do IF she wants to be
with you... which you have already determined.  you are SELLING, and now you
are screening her to see if she is QUALIFIED and ABLE to buy.

>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations
>in relationship. 

I am getting to the point where I am going to do this.  I never do this with
chicks because I morph into whatever THEY are looking for and hook them that
way.  the thing for me is that being 10 months in with MLTR, she has REALLY
learned how to please me and the time I spend TEACHING her has become minimal
and the time I spend ENJOYING her is increasing :)  it is getting tougher and
tougher for other chicks to get my attention, because anything LESS than what I
have already is BULLSHIT to me.  the time I am spending talking to chicks is
mostly eliciting values and breaking their perceptions... just for fun :)  I
know IMMEDIATELY if I want sex from a chick, and if I don't, she is IMMEDIATELY
LJBF and I use her for practice and NEXT her at the end of the conversation.

I am seriously going to consider moving to a "demonstration of value -> SOI"
model, just because I have lost my patience with LISTENING to these bitches
talking about shit that really doesn't mean anything.  I know I am going to
NEXT them ANYWAY as soon as I realize they can't compete with MLTR, so why
listen to their shit FIRST?  I may as well let them know how great I am and
let them know what kind of woman I am willing to accept, and let them continue
from there.  there is also the cognitive dissonance issue of them KNOWING that
I am going to dump them if they are not sexy and CONTINUING to talk to me and
get to know me.  the more they talk to me, the more I hook them into
interacting with me.  the more they get hooked, the greater the PAIN OF
SEPERATION (credit: RJ) when they eventually get EJECTED.  since they KNOW
ahead of time what will get them ejected and they are still talking, they are
either planning to get in line OR setting themselves up for pain.  either way,
after SOI and their acceptance of the terms, there will have to be some sort of
TEST of their compliance.  even listening to what they have to say after SOI
counts as a REWARD for their entering into a "relationship" with me.  hmm... I
will consider this more.

>I go on to tell her that other girls I know also
>like me, ask me out alot, (doesn't matter if it is true or not,
>but chick 'competition logic' will kick in, and it will scare
>your mark to act). 

the reason I don't use this is that MLTR is an integral part of my life.  if I
were to play this "chicks dig me" card, it would belittle the actual
relationship I have with MLTR.  the only problem with THAT is that I am
screening for MORE MLTRs :)  I don't give a fuck about ONS because I can get
laid ANY NIGHT within an hour of talking to the chick I am talking to... in the
WAY I want to with a chick that I WANT TO FUCK :)  a chick offering me ONS is
like a chick offering me a dollar bill.  I already HAVE dollar bills... what do
I want hers for?  of course, there are some chicks that are just so HOT that
you want to try them out, but barring that scenario, ONS can bring you much
more ANGUISH than the satisfaction that accompanies it... PLUS it is the SAME
SATISFACTION that I already get on a regular basis from MLTR. 

besides... it is OBVIOUS that chicks dig me because here SHE is, liking me
within 20 minutes of meeting me... what about the chicks that have experienced
me for days?  months?  years?  OH, she could only HOPE to be one of those! :)

for you, it is a good tactic though.

>Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
>her last week, apparently).

I lost a rap to a low-self-esteem bitch that had a couple of relationships like
this as well.  I mean, I fucked her, but I didn't get to MLTR like I wanted
because she was SCARED that she wouldn't match up to the next bitch and that I
would NEXT her for no reason, like her exes did.  I tried to tell her I wanted
her for more than that, but she wasn't emotionally healthy enough to understand
or believe me.

>Ok, now Maniac has reached her head, and I take this deeper..
>I go on to tell her that I dont want just sex, I want rocks and gold
>I can get any girl in roppongi on a Saturday night and fuck her
>(not exactly true, but she doesnt know this.. goal is just to

she KNOWS that it happened to her VERY QUICKLY.  she ASSUMES she was not the
ONLY bitch to fall for you that quickly.  it is like reverse-social-proof. 
fucking a bitch FAST makes them think you can fuck other bitches FAST.

>'confirm' her worst fears so that she acts), but its not enough for
>me. I want connection, good sex, and romance, with an intelligent
>woman, and that is why I want to date you (psychicbabe).

nice line.  this is another thing I will consider.  talking-up MLTR to them.  
I never considered this either, MAINLY because if you tell a chick what you
want her to do then you never know if she is manipulating you by being that
way, or if she arrived there NATURALLY... on her own.  interesting, LOTS of
style-change material happening right around the new year :)

>Then all of the sudden, she asks me about HBass (the chick staying
>at my place over the holidays), and freaks out about it. I tell
>her that she already knows all this, and exactly what is her point
>here?

although I am a GREAT fan of "quoting", I find that there need to be times to
engage in it and times to NOT engage in it.  this will depend on what you want
with the chick.  it is the same way you can't go from being a CHUMP to a MAN in
a chick's eyes... but you CAN go from being a MAN into a CHUMP :)  if you start
out telling a chick that you have a girlfriend AND that you fuck her, you leave
yourself open for these pot-shots whenever chicks trip the fuck out and go into
their irrational rants from out of left-field.  all a bitch needs to know is
that you are "taken" so that you manage her relationship expectations.  any
more information and she feels like you will give her ALL the information. 
where does it stop?  are you going to tell her that you are fucking her?  that
you fucked her last night?  that you fucked her an hour before coming on this
date?  that you fucked YOUR WOMAN in her ass?  that she LIKES sucking dick? 
WHERE DOES IT STOP?

I ran into this problem with a chick where my relationship to her was BASED ON
trading current sex-stories.  when I got to the point where I didn't want to
tell her any more shit, she was EXPECTING me to tell her, and I realized that
if I wasn't telling her, and she wasn't telling me, then our "relationship" was
OVER.  before that, I had not realized how much I had compromised my position
by telling her CURRENT sex-shit.  think about it, and decide on your own LIMITS
to what you are willing to tell a chick about other chicks... besides, think
about the fact that she is going to KNOW that she will end up as STORIES to
other bitches right after you fuck her.  it will make her VERY self-conscious
about whatever she does with you and that could hinder her emotional states
tremendously.

>Then she stops again, and asks me if I am fucking her (maybe I
>should have said no..., but I had already said yes to her about this
>the first time I saw her)., she asks me why.. (I tell her because
>I am seeing her! like I told you the first time! I mean what do
>you expect?!?).
>
>She then puts on her bitch face, and talks in a stern voice,
>"then call me when you break her up, that is my decision, I am
>going home.".

THIS is retarded because she ALREADY knew that you were fucking her AND she
fucked you herself.  this is another problem with bitches having information
about other bitches.  they use it against themselves.  IMO, the purpose of her
knowing you have another girl or SEVERAL other girls is so she knows where she
stands in the RACE to be your MAIN BITCH.  if you are single, she has a good
chance at being that to you.  if you are "taken" she has NO CHANCE of being
that to you.  if you are SEEING bitches, then she has to COMPETE to be your #1.
 other than THAT, I think giving information about your other bitches is a
mistake...  I have made the SAME mistake up to this point, so I am not
crisicizing :)  however, I am changing that ASAP and I think you should
consider giving out information on a N2K basis (need to know).

besides, SHE is the one that NEEDS a fuck.  if it is not coming from YOU, a guy
she has fucked ALREADY and she LIKES how you did it or she wouldn't have come
back... she has to get it from a STRANGER whose sexual skills are in question
that might tie her up, fuck her in the ass or sell her to the highest bidder. 
bitches like to FRONT a lot about having ALL these sexual choices, but with all
the 8s, 9s, and 10s I have spoken to on an honest "one of the chicks" level,
they are ALL looking to have an EXCITING time, but not REALLY be in DANGER! 
you, OTOH have pussy AT HOME IN BED WAITING FOR YOU!  the only one to lose out
if she bails... is HER!  knowing that, I would have not even entertained her
bullshit OR called her on it, letting her know that I was getting laid tonight
REGARDLESS of whether SHE fucks or not.  that would take the fucking WIND out
of her sails :)

>I tell her I am planning to break her up (which is true) later, so
>it is nothing you should worry about. 

this, my friend :)  is a COP-OUT!  it is used VERY EFFECTIVELY by married men
to keep fucking their side-bitches, but WE are way above bullshit tactics like
this.  I commend you for thinking of this "on the fly", but PLEASE, PLEASE! 
hehe  I have MUCH more respect for you as a PUA than to hear some CRAP like
this from you :)  PLEASE think of something better for the next instance of a
chick trying to BLACKMAIL you into trading in a R-E-L-A-T-I-O-N-S-H-I-P where
you are getting EVERYTHING you want from a chick... for a ONS with HER! 
HAHAHAHAHAHA  >:)

I haven't run into a chick STUPID enough to try to disrespect my MLTR for being
with me... chicks have STARTED to say she is dumb for "letting" (as if she has
ANY say in the matter) her man fuck other chicks, and I have BROKEN THEIR
FUCKING ASSES listing the benefits that SHE is getting that they will most
likely NEVER have with a man... EVER!  and CERTAINLY don't have right now, or
they would not be talking to me in a bar... they would be with THEIR OWN MAN
conducting this FANTASY RELATIONSHIP that they are professing that my MLTR
should have :)  I have NEVER run into a chick that has even TRIED to break into
my relationship with MLTR because they KNOW I mean business.  all they can do
is become ANOTHER MLTR... and after they hear the QUALIFICATIONS, they KNOW
they can't even achieve THAT... only ONS and LJBF with me.  if some bitch EVER
suggested that I break up with MLTR in order to ONS her, I would  A) laugh in
her face and  B) immediately demand an EXPLANATION of the reasons why she
thinks she can knock MLTR out of the box AND make her perform ANY AND ALL
SKILLS that she CLAIMS to be better than MLTR at IMMEDIATELY!  put up or SHUT
THE FUCK UP!  the result would be the ONS ANYWAY, and she would still be LJBF
or NEXT because MLTR is NOT about sex... it is about compatability and I
PERSONALLY could not be with some bitch that needs to knock other chicks off in
order to gain status.  I gain status by BEING MYSELF and letting bitches make
INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED decisions to be with me.  any chick that wants to be with
me had better do the same.

>she gets upset, and starts
>screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
>just like her ex-bf, getting other girls while dating her, and how
>all guys just want sex..etc..

I would have told her "you wanna calm the fuck down?"  throwing tantrums and
making scenes are expressions of her ability to do ANYTHING in your presence. 
I personally don't tolerate that.

>Then she says.. ok, if you let me meet your GF at your house
>tonight, then I will let you have sex with me. [ha! I got her!]

ok.  thank God I happened to read the next line before I started typing this. 
I was JUST going to ask you WHY you are STILL letting her blackmail you into
fucking her... ESPECIALLY when she is the one that needs it and you don't :)

>I bounce back, and say, "what exactly makes you think I am
>desperate to have sex with you tonight?! Do you think I am
>just some stupid guy and you can manipulate me like that?
>No, you will not meet my GF, it is disrespectful to her to do
>that. You know the situation, it was clear to you from the
>beginning, and you accepted it. There is no more to talk about.
>I am not here only for sex, I can get that anywhere. Sex only
>of itself is of little value to me, I want more than that.

SWEET!  :)  break her fucking ASS maniac :)

>I then bring out the nuclear weapons! My tonality is very firm,
>and I eye fuck her, while telling her the following. First, I tell
>her that I already told her about my GF, she was clear about it
>right from the start, and she has NO excuse. Then I go on to tell
>her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
>that did NOT happen. So do NOT compare me to your ex. I am a
>different person, and EXCEPT better treatment than that if you
>ever want to see me again. She starts crying more, and hugging
>again.

ugh :/   fucking IDIOTS!   man, the shit some bitches put you through!  does
everyone SEE why we have to study this shit?

>I put her against wall, and tell her not to complain about me like
>I am her ex, I a am different person than he is.
>
>I tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
>alone!

this is a good point.  I like to play it the other way:

ok... so now, you have told me that you want everything to be a 'perfect'
situation with a guy before making a move.  You want him to be ideal with
women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady... WHAT MAKES YOU THINK
HE WILL WANT YOU?   WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING TO THE TABLE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE A
MAN LIKE THAT CHOOSE YOU OVER ANY OTHER CHICK?

you wanna see some confusion?  you wanna see a bitch get BROKEN?  HAHAHAHA  >:)
 of course, I use this on chicks that I am just practicing on, because it
normally induces DEPRESSION, not horniness.  when they have to GO DEEP INSIDE
and dive BELOW THE SURFACE of their programming, they realize that they CAN NOT
TELL ME WHY A MAN WOULD WANT THEM!  they stall the fuck out dude :)  it's
amazing.  matter of fact, it's documented already.  look at my recent thread
with "telembe".  I let her say all this bullshit about what she wanted from a
guy in order to give up her virginity, then when she was finished talking about
what she WANTED, I asked her what she was OFFERING to a guy that was going to
give her all this committment and "love" and other bullshit and she said a
whole bunch of shit that ANY bitch can and WILL give to a man she likes.  she
might have THOUGHT she had something to offer a guy that was going to seperate
her from the pack, but she doesn't.  even GOOD PUSSY can't get a bitch any
credit because there are LOTS of bitches that can fuck and suck like pros...
elites AND sub-elites.  telembe NEVER told us what seperates her from the rest
of the bitches that might make a MAN like the one she wants even LOOK HER WAY! 
the reason is that there is NO reason! :)  bitches are programmed that MEN want
them... but they are NEVER told WHY.  the reason is that men like to FUCK and
get their dicks sucked.  they also like companionship and cooking and cleaning
and for a girl to look good on their arm so they can feel accomplished around
their buddies.  chicks THINK they are ENTITLED to a good man... but the GOOD
MEN... are picking GOOD WOMEN!  if they were SHINING like they think they are,
they would have been scooped up already and married or whatever they were
looking for because some guy would have spotted her and said "I'm not going to
let her go for ANYTHING" and she would be happy... at least according to her
programming.  OH, how I LOVE to see a bitch's face while she TRIES AND TRIES to
dig up ANY reason why a guy as great as the one she claims to want would EVER
choose her over any other bitch :)  the JOY the JOY that I feel as this POMPOUS
BITCH breaks the fuck down RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE! :)  of course since I
broke her, I keep talking to her and ease her back to a decent state of being
and let her know that she can take steps to make herself into the woman that a
man would want, but she has to really KNOW HERSELF and KNOW MEN in order to
make an intelligent decision.  I am not into depressing chicks... unless they
TRULY DESERVE IT for all the depression they have caused men throughout their
tenure as FINE bitches :)  also, I have no desire to BREAK bitches and leave
them like that.  that just makes it WORSE for ALL OF US looking for FINE, yet
DECENT chicks.

>she cries, and says that is so true, that is her problem, she never
>takes the chance and loses out because she doesn't make the
>move on taken guys. Then I run my 'take chances routine' (if you take
>a chance, in the end, the result is usually good, but if you don't,
>just you get left behind, by yourself).. 

nice.  I like that one... emphasizing loss and loneliness.

>she cries more, says she
>needs to take the chance, and doesnt want to be alone.

she's done :)  nice work.  land her!

>She says she has to be careful, that all guys want just sex, and
>bitches about this for about 30 seconds.

as opposed to what?  what does she WANT guys to want?

>Now I start the 'you need me, I dont need you..you think I just want
>only sex, then you dont understand me at all.. if you think that is
>what I am only, then you do NOT deserve me.. I do no need you to go out
>with me if that is what you think I am.. I want connection, sex,
>passion, and closeness.. and if you haven't figured that out about
>me yet, then get another guy, because you dont understand me at all..

OK OK OK... you've CONVINCED me maniac :)  that's some good shit right there :)
 starting NOW, I am pitching for MLTR ONLY.  bitches that want ONS or LJBF will
get what they deserve from me... which isn't much.  I LOVE this idea of dissing
her for claiming that you are looking for ONS... or even just a "bootie-call"
type relationship :)  I love it.  I would feel so PROUD getting on her like
this.  sweet!  EXTREMELY congruent!  nice play!  this is going into my style,
starting RIGHT NOW!  :)

>I am doing this, because I know the left (logic) and right (emotions,
>passion) are fighting each other..they have been all night. Because the
>left doesn't accept the logic of the situation, but I know the right side
>dying for a shag,..she is trying to rationaize going out with a taken guy,
>but I have gotten her so excited tonight, that she needs that fuck.

THIS is the reason I never learned any of this shit until recently.  my
caveman-kino style before this involved ZERO talking.  totally kino and kissing
and PHYSICAL seduction with domineering EYE-CONTACT.  there was NO INFORMATION
for the left side to process at all.  EVERYTHING went STRAIGHT to the chick's
right side, and her left had to try to process the EMOTIONS and turn them into
a story that she could understand... in the meantime, she is PHYSICALLY falling
for the kino and wanting MORE AND MORE until we are fucking.  I never HAD to
talk to chicks before OR after fucking them because my PHYSICAL ATTACK is so
DEVASTATING!  I would just take them over PHYSICALLY and their right brains
would do ALL the work and the left would struggle to understand, but eventually
succumb to the onslaught!  ARG ARG! :)

thanks for explaining that to me :)

>As I touch her side of face, she goes doggy look, I kiss her, and she
>gets like screambabe, panting. I put leg between her, she widens, goes nuts
>totally. I ask her she likes me (in a tell her sort of way' you like me..'),
>she replies 'yes'. I say (stare her down) .. she asks "what should I do?"
>I say in a very strn fatherly voice while staring her down 4 inches from
>her head.. you will follow me..that is what you will do.. and you will do
>what I say. 'she says, 'I will'. I tongue her down more, run her crotch,
>she almost cums right there, then I take her to a love hotel (her first
>time!), no resistance what so ever.

interesting.  what just happened here?  did you somewhere dictate to her that
the terms of her being "your bitch" is that she has to sumbit to you fully? 
are you getting a verbal confirmation of that from her?  or is something else
going on... like she just plain UNDERSTANDS that you can move her to passions
that make her WANT to cum and that you are going to take her there and over the
edge?

another point... what do you guys think of foreplay on a chick.  he mentions
that she almost came right there... do you think it is good to get her to the
EDGE and leave her there so she is so horny, she will do ANYTHING for you to
make her cum, OR to give her an orgasm right there in her clothes to
demonstrate your sexual mastery over her?  personally, I am into the sexual
mastery thing because I notice a newfound RESPECT from a chick that has had
guys on top of her NAKED, fucking her for all they were worth and she never
came from it, and then I am just doing kino on her and fingering her and she
cums from just that.  do you think that making the chick cum on herself makes
her want sex MORE or want it LESS since she just got off?  take into account
that chicks are multi-orgasmic and that they feel sexier after cumming, not
DRAINED like guys.

>As I am fucking her, I am putting things in her head, like D.Shades reports.
>I tell her as she is screaming it feels deeper and deeper, closer and
>closer. She is going nuts will I am fucking her.

I need to reasearch this.  is this more right-brain, left-brain shit where her
left-brain is shut down because of the FIREWORKS that are going off in her mind
because of the sex, leaving her wide open to suggestion?  if you have any links
for this, please post.

>I stare her down, and I tell her you need me (during sex), she says yes.
>I tell her from now on you will follow me, and do what I say. She says
>'yes, I will'. I continue doing her, she says "it feels SO good, I really
>need that, I really want it, i love you inside me!".. she is fucking like a
>wild animal, loud voice, shouting and screaming, oh, I want it, give it
>to me, I want to come!

more of the same?

>Then she tells me anything is ok as long as I dont hate her..she doesnt
>want me to hate her. She wants me to hold/hug her, she cries a bit, then is
>ok again (seems to be thinking of her old bf she says). I touch her
>more, face goes totally doggy look, and finger her, she goes nuts, we start
>fucking again.

the "I don't want you to hate me" thing is very important in the D/s
relationship... not that you set this up like that, but that is the MAIN
incentive for her to follow your lead... that she does NOT want you to hate her
and CERTAINLY not to banish her.  when that is TRULY first and foremost in her
brain, she will regulate HERSELF and place herself in-line with your thinking
and what YOU want her to be.  she also won't try to blackmail you anymore
because she KNOWS it gets on your nerves and all THAT will do is get her
EJECTED sooner rather than later :)

>Her back is on the bed, and I am fucking her missionary, her legs are
>spread and wide in the air, which I am holding. I tell her "see, I control
>you, 

hehe ok... this is a little FAR-FETCHED for me at this point, but I have not
researched it yet :)  I DO like the next line though.

>I go deep in your body because it is the one way to reach you totally
>deep in your mind which no one else can do. 

interesting

>By conquering your body, I can
>conquer your mind (then I drill her a bit more after I finish the sentence so
>she goes more crazy). I play with your body because it lets me control
>your mind (then drill her some more..ha, it is like the ultimate form of
>reward hypnosis).

IS there such a thing as reward hypnosis?  links please? :)

>I ask her, so why you like me. She says she says, you are decisive and
>sometimes I am indecisive, so you make it easy for me. I want the guy
>to make it easy for me to decide what to do (important clue here Maniac!
>maybe most chicks are like this! Maybe this too is where I fucked up
>with HB Geek!)

I have heard this a lot too... only thing is that there is a lot of
RESPONSIBILITY that comes with telling a chick what to do, and if the VALUE of
owning her is not sufficient for me, I don't give a fuck WHAT she does enough
to want to lead her to a good time.

>Moral of the story.. keep your ground.. call all chick bullshit DIRECTLY.
>Make the chick risk fear losing the relationship if she doesn't capitulate
>and chances are she will back down, in spite of how it looks (and I could
>do this BECAUSE I had other choices.. another reason to be fucking
>several chicks at once). As well, it seemed that she was giving me all the
>bullshit in part because she WANTED me to call her on it, and then fuck her
good
>at the end of the night, which I obliged.

chicks give you shit-tests to find out if you are stronger than them and see
HOW you are going to control them.  chicks like the way I control them because
I NARROW their choices for them, but STILL make them choose.  they can choose
the path of ULTIMATE SATISFACTION, or they can choose the path of EJECTION and
being back on the dating scene meeting the SAME LAME GUYS every night :)

you had told her you had a girlfriend, but she seems to have NEEDED to know
that she really COULDN'T have you all to herself and that you really DIDN'T
NEED to fuck her that night or EVER.  you stuck to your guns (after letting her
get to you for a while :-) and she eventually ran out of logic and got
overridden with kino and gave up the fucking pussy like she came there to do :)

>Constructive comments/opinions welcome!
>
>Maniac High
>http://www.pickupguide.com

EXCELLENT!  keep up the GOOD WORK dude!  :)

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From: erosla77@aol.com (ErosLA77)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 30 Dec 2000 20:12:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

>Subject: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit
special!]
>From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
>Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 10:37 PM
>Message-id: <92jvre$obh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>

>)this chick is a very highly educated, driven, professional
> career woman and earns likely a big 6 figure salary
>b)she is very mature, focused and spends all day in her office
> surrounded by sharks and other pirrhana type scumbag characters

 She's got to be in control ALL DAY LONG at work. Small wonder then, with a
man, she wants to fully SURRENDER control and be made to submit.  It's like all
those super-powerful Congressmen and Judges and the like who LOVE going to get
pissed-on and whipped by some Madame Dominatrix. 

>I regroup my thoughts.

 I admire your ability to do this in the field, Maniac. As you think about it,
what do you do internally to re-set yourself and keep yourself in a good frame
of mind when all this shit throws your way?

>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations

   Metahpor is a POWERFUL tool to move folks from a fixed perception to a new
one. Please, share your story!

> Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
>her last week, apparently).

Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it feels
good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities.  So
when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the
potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. She's worried about pain,
so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only losing
out on the pleasure of screwing, BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER
believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if
she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE
crack-up.

  Once she accepts this, it's a done deal.

>he gets upset, and starts
>screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
>just like her ex-bf,

See? The fear of the pain of being hurt just like her ex-BF hurt her is now
rearing its ugly head.  She doesn't seem like a very emotionally stable person
in ANY event, let alone having just been dumped by a guy.  

>Then I go on to tell
>her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
>that did NOT happen

 Sharp thinking. Again, what do you do internally to keep your state solid and
your thinking sharp? THAT process internally is of great value, even more than
the specifics you share.  The specifics are like handing guys fish; good for a
nice meal and of value. But  how you get to the mind-set is TEACHING someone
HOW to fish so they can eat for life. 

>I  tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
>alone!

 Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her
"ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then
accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be!  

   Excellent...Maniac, I don't give a damn WHAT my orthodox SS followers say,
this is BRILLIANT stuff and I'd be proud to be your wing or have you as mine,
ANY FUCKIN' DAY of the week! Sir, I salute you!

>Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too
>much)
>of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this.

 Actually, you ARE not arguing the logic, but you are USING the logic...HER
logic..HER way of viewing things.....pointing out WHY and HOW she loses and
what will happen if she doesn't stop it.   It's all centered around losing and
WHY she loses, based on what she has told you.  It IS logical, FROM her point
of view.  

 Great, Great stuff...sir, I salute you!

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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:03:54 GMT

Replies to various people about psychicbabe:

Answers to various questions:

Was psychicbabe british, or Japanese?
She was a brit of Japanese ancestry (ie. she
looked 'j', but thought, acted and had an
english accent like a brit). This in my
opinion made it harder, because brit women
are so fucking F A T, and she was so
slender, sexy and attractive (and she dressed
to kill) compared to all of them. Lots of guys were
hitting on her (and she said she always got hit
on, and hated it.. trick was to not make it look
like a 'hit').

Why not a white chick? Well, I had the chance...
but.. at the conference where I met her, EVERY
brit. white chick there was in serious blimp bulge
territory.. very scary. Why is it so many caucasian
women are so FAT?

It was funny though, because something like 8 guys
(I counted) tried to hit on psychicbabe the night
I PU'd her. One guy was pretty good, the rest were
total AFC's..it was rather funny.

Re: Rocks -vs- gold.. how I use it (yes, it is
Jake's metephor. For RJ, search the original post
on fastseduction.com. It is also on pickupguide.com
someplace (if not it will be there in about 2 weeks,
I am revising the page this week). Basically, I intro
it as follows:
After chick says bullshit about wanting to go to
dinner and be friends or shit for 6 months before
becoming a GF, I say: Actually, I dont go to dinner
or stuff like that with ladies who are not my GF
CHick:  gasps!
Maniac: see, going to dinner, is an important step
in a relationship for me. I only share it with someone
special
chick: Huh?
Maniac: Well, let me put it this way, do you ever
sleep with a guy who is just your friend, or dont
care about?
chick: of course not!
Maniac: well, why do you think a guy should do any
different then?
Maniac: See, let me tell you a story. You ever hear
about 'rocks & gold'?
chick: no? what is it?
Maniac: Well, Relationships are valuable things.
And each partner is looking for something. It is like
diamonds (rocks) and gold. Both are valuable.

But women prefer diamonds to gold (usually), and
men prefer gold to diamonds (usually). Of course,
both are important, especially in a long term
relationship, but if a woman could choose, she would
prefer the diamonds  first, and the man would
prefer the gold  first. right?

chick: yeah, probably

Maniac: And (generally), a man can accept gold
without the diamonds, and a woman can accept
diamonds without any gold.

So in a relationship, a woman is mining for
diamonds, while the man is mining for gold.
While they are in the mine together, the
guy gives diamonds he finds to the woman, and
the woman gives the gold she finds, to the man.

But if you give a woman gold only, or a man
diamonds only.. neither is likely to be
very happy, and the relationship will soon
fall apart. In short, an exchange of sorts
takes place in a successful relationship.

And also, if a man expects just gold (sex),
but doesnt want to give her diamonds
(relationship & the mushy stuff), then she
will dump him fairly soon, because he is
playing/using her just for sex..

And if a woman expects just diamonds (walks,
attention, nice dinners, movies..etc) without
giving some gold (sex), then he (if he has any
clue about how to deal with women, though many
men do not, especially in North America) will
dump her because she is using/playing him just
for his personality.

A guy taking a chick to dinners, buying shit
and giving nice walks without sex is THE SAME
as a guy sleeping with a girl, and then kicking her
out right after the fuck is over. (chick says:
'yelch!'. Yes, thats right, and for the guy,
just dinners and buying shit is 'yelch', with
no sex, and no attention is exactly the same.

Because a woman will go to free dinner with
almost any guy, it has no value to me. But
I am like you, I want attention, and I want
to be made to feel special.

And although a girl will go to nice free dinners
with almost anyone, I also know that a girl will
not sleep with anyone. So I know if she does with me,
then it means she thinks I am important. And if
she wont, then it means she doesnt care about me
at all, so I really dont need to see her again,
I will just go find another girl.

Maybe you might think it is unusual for a guy
to think this way, but it is just my way.

See, I dont want to be played. Guys are always
getting played by girls for nice dinners, long
talks on the phone, and for their personalities.
It is the SAME as a girl being used for sex.
So I am happy to give plenty her diamonds, but at
the same time, I dont want to be played, so
I also expect her to want to give me gold.
And if she doesn't, it means she doesnt care about
me, is using me, or it means I am being played,
or I am stupid.

As well, experience has also showed me that
'friends first' almost NEVER results in a
relationship. I mean how many of your BFs were
your friend first (chick usually replies..uh,
zero).

Exactly, so that is why I never play 'friends
first'. Friends first means diamonds for the
lady, and no gold for the guy. That is like
the guy saying (ok, lets fuck for 6 months,
and if its good, we can go to dinner, and go
out, and you can be my GF). Would you like
that (chick: yelch!!).

Exactly.. so that is why it is far better,
that the lady meet me, get to know me, and
then I expect her to be smart enough to know
to take that chance THEN (or reject it, and I will
go get another lady) when it is offered to her.

So that is why I expect things that way in a
relationship with a lady.

After this, a chick is (usually) quite impressed,
or surprised and doesnt know what to say..

[When I recited this to psychicbabe, she actually told me
she was very impressed, that I understood relationships
so well ;-) ]

Had I been smart, I would have used it on HB
geek, and laid her, but after that failure I
thought about it, and then when the same situation
came up with Psychicbabe this week, I knew what
to do..

Ok, now on to other comments..

RJ writes
>Maniac writes:
> >I regroup my thoughts.
>
>  I admire your ability to do this in the field, Maniac. As you think
about it,
> what do you do internally to re-set yourself and keep yourself in a
good frame
> of mind when all this shit throws your way?

A couple things.. first, this PARTICULAR chick is of no importance
to me, because I am (likely) seeing 3 others this week. So it is
not as risky to me to be firm, and keep my ground.

Another important fact, is the way chick's brains are usually
wired. For a
chick, once she likes a given guy, it is hard for her to immediately
switch to another guy. it is far MORE risky, because a chick (unlike
men), usually cannot switch to another guy, once she ALREADY
likes a given guy (story is different BEFORE you got her to
like you..then SHE has more power than you).

So I play on this, and as a result I dont feel nervous/scared at all,
because there is far more to risk to her, than to risk to me. Because
she is stuck to me, but I am not stuck to her. (this also is why
'jerks' can get away with so much shit on any given chick, and why
she will tolerate it.. because her brain has now got her focussed
on THAT guy, and it is now a choice (in her mind), between him (and
his bullshit... or being alone (sure she can get another guy in 10
minutes, but she cannot build those nice feelings of 'attachment'
in 10 minutes.. that gives us men power, once we realize this).

Two, I am generally a very balanced level
headed person, and dont take any of this personally (as you already
know, RJ). Three (in this case), I had
already laid this chick, so I didnt care really if I laid her again
or not.. I already conquered her, and she (and I) already knew that.

If it is a new chick, sometimes, I get more nervous/fucked up (see
HB Geek). I am trying to keep my senses more when this happens

> > Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
> >problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
> >her last week, apparently).
>
> Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with
fucking; it feels

Not sure about this, I think she just simply wanted the fuck, but
wanted to feel she was important to me, and she didnt want to just
get played..

> good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the
vulnerabilities.  So
> when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which
overcomes the
> potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. She's worried
about pain

yes, thats right.

> so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not
only losing
> out on the pleasure of screwing,

Not really. I actually made it clear to her that I didnt care if
she bang me or not. The point was that she had to give her mind
to me, and respect me, and follow me (whether that is bang me,
make her take off her clothes in the window for me, or do my
dishes..whatever.. its not the banging that is important, it is
the submission to me that counts, and what she needs to give me
if she wants my attention at all).

> BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER
> believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out
that if
> she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even
WORSE
> crack-up.

Yes

>   Once she accepts this, it's a done deal.
>
> >he gets upset, and starts
> >screaming & crying while running down the street, saying how I am
> >just like her ex-bf,
>
> See? The fear of the pain of being hurt just like her ex-BF hurt her
is now
> rearing its ugly head.  She doesn't seem like a very emotionally
stable person
> in ANY event, let alone having just been dumped by a guy.

No, she is not stable at all. I think though, it is because she
bottles it up all day, to be the 'office bitch' that she has to
be in the daytime. This chick lives for her work. She has no other
life.

>
> >Then I go on to tell
> >her that her BF got a new chick after he got her, but in my case
> >that did NOT happen
>
>  Sharp thinking. Again, what do you do internally to keep your state
solid and
> your thinking sharp? THAT process internally is of great value, even
more than
> the specifics you share.  The specifics are like handing guys fish;
good for a
> nice meal and of value. But  how you get to the mind-set is TEACHING
someone
> HOW to fish so they can eat for life.

Actually, the specifics are important I think. This is why lay/field
reports with details are so important. I think really shitty on my
feet. I really suck.. bad.

But if I have had that same experience before (with another chick),
or been in that same situation before, and
either succeeded (or failed, and then thought about how to handle it
right the next time), then I will handle it correctly this time.

I really believe in field experience. I have alot... really alot.
so I have seen many of these situations before. It is like chess,
or a foreign language. If you've been there before, and worked out
a solution, then you know what to do. You MUST get field experience.
It is CRUCIAL. And each time you fail, you go home, and see what
you did right/wrong, and what you would do if the same situation
happened again. This is why I also post the fuckup as well as
the lay reports.. they are very valuable to me in gathering my
thoughts and forcing me to think about what I did right/wrong,
as well as listening to the other's comments about them on this
NG.

I also look at the other's reports as well, and learn about
situations, and ask myself for each one, if it happened to me,
what would I do/how would I handle it. Eventually, after doing it
for a couple years (I have been at this in ernest for about 2
years now), you get better at it. Learning situations in PU, is
like learning the words of a foreign language, and how to connect
them all together.. how to move from a bad situation..to a good
one to get the chick in a horny state..

Also, I keep in mind alot about what MrSex4uNYC says about attitude,
and when I get stuck, I ask myself, what would NYC tell me right
now about this situation. He is very congruent, and if you think
things this way, it is easy to be clear what is the right way or
wrong way.

> >I  tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
> >with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
> >with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
> >and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
> >unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
> >alone!
>
>  Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to
her her
> "ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she
can then
> accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be!

Yes, basically that is the idea. I am not sure that it means I am
an authority, but its more, to convey that she is clueless, she
is wrong, so to listen to herself will make her fuck up even more..
..so maybe she had better listen to me instead, and then she wont
fuckup as much.. basically that is the idea..

>    Excellent...Maniac, I don't give a damn WHAT my orthodox SS
followers say,

I didn't get this.. What are orthodox SS followers, and I had no
idea they were saying anything about this.. I really dont understand
what you mean here..

> >Now what I am doing with all the above, is not arguing the logic (too
> >much)
> >of this, because, of course she is right, and I know this.
>
>  Actually, you ARE not arguing the logic, but you are USING the
logic...HER
> logic..HER way of viewing things.....pointing out WHY and HOW she
loses and
> what will happen if she doesn't stop it.   It's all centered around
losing and
> WHY she loses, based on what she has told you.  It IS logical, FROM
her point
> of view.

Yes, basically that is the idea. What I meant was, is that her main
point is that she wants a monogamous BF, and doesn't want to be played.
But, I am playing her, and she (at some level) realizes that, so
in essense, her gut feel about this is totally correct.

But I am playing her desire for the fuck, and her fear of losing
out, which lets me bypassing her gut feel that she is being
played, and then I can get her to fuck anyways.

Good followups everyone!

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:10:23 GMT

  "Dohn Joe"  wrote:
>  wrote in message news:92n7b9$146
$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> [snip]
>
> The more I think of it, the more this seems to be a great PU.
> I think the PU in England is the gist of your piece of work.
>o I'd be glad to see more
> details on how you picked her up in England, that's the hardest work. How
> did you stand up the crowd? How did you make it not look like a PU?

I was using psychological 'jujitsu' (use the strength of your
opponant, against themself). There is a field report from 2 months
ago, that outlines the PU (check fastseduction.com archives).
Basically, I met her at a conference. I didnt talk to her much.
Then I followed her onto a bus that was taking us to the next
meeting place. A guy was hitting on her, and he sat with her.
I sat on the seat in front bymyself.

She (like most british bitches), started complaining about how
she hates men, and other bullshit. The guy on the bus with her
is taking this/agreeing with it (if I remember right).

I just turned around (and tonality and eye contact here is crucial),
and just tell her in a VERY authoritative voice, slowly.. "perhaps
you have just not met the right man yet, one you understands you,
deeply, and completely. But.. you never know the future.. now do you..
I used killed eye contact, spoke slowly, and continued "perhaps
if you open your mind more, you might find him.. by surprise, without
even expecting it, because often, that is the way it usually is..see"

Psychicbabe went "maybe", and then started more manhating bitching.

I then described the kind of man she wanted "one you could rely on,
but at the same time, be mysterious, and exciting in some unexpected
ways, because he just knew how to reach you deep inside you, and
your mind.. that is what your looking for..isnt' it?"

Psychicbabe: yes,

{continue PU, bunches of stuff from the ManiacPlan, if I remember
right}

The key here was the tonality and Eye-Fuck contact. That is what
did it more than the words I used. I just totally crushed her
with it..

> How did
> you get past her "bitch office" shield? I'm asking especially because, as I
> picture this woman, it would seem pretty intimidating for me to approach
> her.

I had the attitude that she obviously had never met a man that
knew how to give it to her right, which means that she obviously
needed ME far more than I needed her. That mindset made it easy.

> I admire your ability to take her from there into total submission.
> existing relationship than guys. That's why many (even HOT ones) find
> themselves in a dead end - boring or abusive - relationship, love to
> complain about it to whoever they find to listen, yet are unable to step out

EXACTLY!!

> of it. That's why the first fuck is hard - after that she is bound
> emotionally to you. You see,

>Women's sexuality is DISSOLVED in them.

Yes! you understand it!! (true for most, but not all chicks though,
some just like sport fucking, like we do)

> GREAT words to remember for all us RAFCs when we feel like beating the walls
> after a fuckup... I myself am so darn depressed when coming back after an
> unsuccessful encounter with a chick. Yes, each field experience is one more
> lesson

Yes, do NOT underestimately field experience. It is SO important.
I fucked up TONS (see all the fuckup reports I used to post a couple
years ago on ASF), and I still fuckup alot (see HBGeek, or HockeyBabe).
Over on cliff's list they say it takes 2..4 years to get good
at something, and 10 years to be a master. I TOTALLY agree.
I have only been at this for 2.. 2 1/2 years. And the more I learn,
the more I realize I still need to learn.. There is still TONS that
I dont know yet.

Maniac High
http://www.pickupguide.com

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

I, for one, am really GLAD to see a post from RJ that has helped me move
forward in MY game :)  not that I am an ingrate hehe... his contribution to all
this is UNDENIABLE to begin with and if I hadn't stumbeled onto his site, I
would have still been using my caveman tactics and my MENTAL seduction game
would still be lacking.  as much as I appreciate his contribution to the
seduction game in general, I had been disappointed with all the flaming and
nonsense that he and others had/have been involved with because I thought that
this NG was BASED on USEFUL interaction between him and the rest of us, but I
found that not to be the case :(  not that ANYONE gives a fuck what I have to
say about this, but I wanted to back up into the PAST to make it clear that I
appreciate RJ's PERSONAL contribution to the NG TODAY.

In article <20001230151247.26801.00001467@ng-fi1.aol.com>, erosla77@aol.com
(ErosLA77) writes:

>>I tell her the rocks/gold story (I love this story, it is
>>excellent for dealing with chick bullshit) and my expectations
> 
>   Metahpor is a POWERFUL tool to move folks from a fixed perception to a new
>one. Please, share your story!

I have been doing this without identifying it:

A) find out her perception (marriage, monogamy, sucking dick VS kissing...)
B) "quote" her a story illustrating a chick that saw things a DIFFERENT way
(the way I want HER to see things) and benefitted GREATLY from it (she is still
with me, she got married to the guy she wanted, she gained inner peace and
self-love...)
C) watch her AGREE with something that she just minutes ago BELIEVED was
incorrect, or not for her.

the most fascinating part is (C) because I didn't realize my powers of
validation, pacing then LEADING had developed so strongly.  this is partially
because I am an empath and can FEEL when a chick moves into different emotional
states so I can relate to her from within her own state and effectively "vulcan
mind-meld" with her, turning the TWO of us into a SINGLE, functioning entity so
that I can dictate for US... to a degree.

a frequent situation is chicks asking me if I am single.  basically, I explain
to them that I am in an "open" relationship.  they practically INVARIABLY
disrespect my MLTR for being stupid. "how can she go for that?" "I would have
dumped you" "I would never let a man see other women"...  sooooo :)  I let them
go on and on and get it all out and completely ENTRENCH themselves in the DREAM
of them being with a man like me AND dumping me or CHANGING me or whatever
their BULLSHIT FANTASIES are at the time.  THEN I go into the BENEFITS of being
MY PRIMARY relationship... :)  when I stack up the LIST of BENEFITS and it
stacks HIGHER than those bitches have in their OWN RELATIONSHIPS RIGHT NOW,
they start thinking.  they think about what LITTLE they really have in their
relationships that MY MLTR is getting.  they think about the TRUST and
COMPANIONSHIP between us that they DON'T HAVE with their borefriends.  they
think about how she is SEXUALLY SATISFIED... DAILY if she wants it.  she has
someone to give her the REAL DEAL on how men are and what we want from
chicks... not someone that's going to keep playing her until he is finished
fucking her.  they ALSO see how the other bitches (like them in the near
future) come and go and MLTR CONSTANTLY receives the benefits of being with a
man that does EVERYTHING for her that she could want... for the MERE price of
NOT bailing because I fuck other chicks :)  once I break it down to them, ALLLL
I see on their faces is ENVY.  matter of fact, they tend to look EMBARRASSED
when I ask THEM about THEIR relationships.  oh, that reminds me... the bitches
that DON'T HAVE A MAN AT ALL fare the WORST in these situations.  my MLTR has
NEVER-ENDING SATISFACTION... they have STORIES of what they WOULD DO... IF
they could get a man AT ALL!  :)

chicks would rather have 20% of a WINNER than 100% of a LOSER!

>> Now she starts crying, and saying that was the
>>problem with her ex-BF, that chicks always chased him (he dumped
>>her last week, apparently).
>
>Ah, she has MIXED emotions. Pain AND pleasure associated with fucking; it
feels
>good but could lead to emotional betrayal because of the vulnerabilities.  So
>when you pull it all away, then she has the fear of loss, which overcomes the
>potential fear of potential emotional hurt later on. 

wow!  VERY powerful :)  I had really considered these to be apples and
oranges... pain of emotions after sex and pain of LOSS of the individual. 
however, discomfort is discomfort.  I quit giving UTILITY to this PIVOT I was
using because I realized she had ZERO self-esteem and not many other redeeming
qualities other than her looks.  she went from LJBF to NEXT overnight.  I had
been using her for a pivot because of her looks, but her lack of personality
started to wear on me and finally, she had to go.  no more hanging out, no more
phone calling, no more help with her love-life... nothing... cold turkey. 
completely FORGOT about her.  about a month or so later, the holiday season
comes around and she  A) calls me  B) tells me she bought me something for
christmas (I bought her NOTHING, not even a CARD and didn't bother to get one
when she told me she bought me something)  C) tells me she wants to bring it TO
my house, and  D) shows up with gift in hand, READY to socialize and spend time
with me.  

this is the SAME bitch that NEVER went in her purse to even OFFER to throw in
money when I used to use her for a pivot.  I didn't mind paying for her though
because the benefits I got from being out with an attractive chick that KNOWS I
am out to get OTHER bitches and facilitates that was well worth it :)  hehe... 
too bad for her, MLTR was over and I received her gift, talked to her for a
while (where she told me her recent "relationship" blew the fuck up in her face
:-) and then ejected her to keep having fun with MLTR.

I have been using outfoxer's style of letting bitches get involved in bullshit
relationships, TELLING THEM the relationships are bullshit then letting them
fall FLAT on their faces and come CRAWLING back to me :)  I just haven't added
the part yet where I get indignant that they are giving sex to CHUMPS that use
them like BITCHES and throw them away.  hehe it is fun enough at this point
just to hear about their FAILURES from the horses' mouths and see the sad looks
on their faces, while I am CONSTANTLY SMILING :)

what you described is BASICALLY what happened to her, except NOT in the sexual
content, but in the companionship content.  she THOUGHT she had a solid
position with me as my pivot, so she didn't feel like paying for anything
because she thought I NEEDED her, not WANTED her.  as soon as I didn't want her
anymore and dumped her from LJBF to NEXT, she was OK with it UNTIL her
relationship BACKFIRED... THEN she decides she wants to get back in good with
ME, which she can't do because I don't give a fuck about her and except for
looks, she can't compete with MLTR AT ALL!

the pain of loneliness overrides the emotional pain of sex without
committment... fascinating :)

>She's worried about
>pain, so you point out the pain if she DOESN'T bang you...the pain of not only
>losing out on the pleasure of screwing, BUT the pain of losing you and FURTHER
>believing she is doomed to lose. You just take her map and point out that if
>she doesn't drive where you want her to, she's going to have an even WORSE
>crack-up.
>
>  Once she accepts this, it's a done deal.

ok, this is interesting too.  "this is why you fucked up with your ex and I
feel the same way about that particular topic".  you are FORECASTING her
EJECTION unless she changes her ways.  she is still WITH YOU and has a chance
to do the right thing instead of getting ejected.  she already knows how it
feels to BE ejected by her EX and doesn't WANT to go through that pain AGAIN
with you.  you dictate to her HOW she could have avoided it with her EX and she
learns how to avoid it with you and gets in line.  this is another reason why
DICTATING what you REQUIRE from chicks is good, because they have the roadmap
to success or FAILURE with you.  as long as you have demonstrated personality
AND value BEFORE getting to this with her, she will be in a state of "how can I
get my hands on this guy... and KEEP him?" and then you will tell her what she
needs to do to be CONSIDERED amongst your TOP chicks and then is is up to her
to either fulfill her womanly duties or... as you predicted... get ejected and
feel the PAIN OF SEPERATION all over again with someone that she ALREADY knows
she WANTS to be with... WHATEVER the cost.

everyone has their price.  I find, most times, chicks are TALKING with no
EXPERIENCE.  a chick told me that she dumped her borefriend because he laughed
at her.  I told her that the sex must not have been good because otherwise she
would have had to use more than THAT to justify dumping an entire relationship.
 she CLAIMED that sex had nothing to do with her decision and that he didn't
RESPECT her was why she dumped him.  I told her that if the sex had been what
it is SUPPOSED to be... I GUARANTEE her that she would NOT have thrown THAT
away because of some laughing and disrespect.  I also proceeded to laugh at her
AND disrespect her IN HER FACE and told her I don't care because we are not
dating... she can't DUMP ME!   she never ADMITTED that I was right... BUT... by
the end of the conversation, she was asking me WHAT SHE SHOULD DO TO MAKE HER
LOVE LIFE BETTER!  :/  gotcha!

>>I  tell her that she wants everything to be a 'perfect' situation
>>with a guy before she makes a move. She wants him to be ideal
>>with women, skillful, handsome and know how to treat a lady..
>>and still be single!! I go on to tell her that that is TOTALLY
>>unrealistic! And THAT is why she loses! and she always ends up
>>alone!
>
> Powerful because it is 100% true. You have accurately described to her her
>"ruin" so now that she accepts you as an authority on who she IS she can then
>accept you as an authority on who she CAN be and WHERE she can be!  

yes.  I really have not been making the MOST of pacing and leading.  I have
been seeing where they ATTACH THEMSELVES to my way of thinking and see me as an
authority.  I have not used this to MAKE POLICY for them... merely to open
their minds and get them to think more efficiently.  you are right though. 
once you capture them... LEAD THEM!  make SOME efficient use of your new
followers... even if you were only practicing or passing time by capturing them
:)

excellent post :)

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From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:58:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-Lay Report! Psyching out psychic babe! ..a chick bullshit special!]

In article <92n7b9$146$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maniac_high@yahoo.com writes:

>After chick says bullshit about wanting to go to
>dinner and be friends or shit for 6 months before
>becoming a GF, I say: Actually, I dont go to dinner
>or stuff like that with ladies who are not my GF
>CHick:  gasps!
>Maniac: see, going to dinner, is an important step
>in a relationship for me. I only share it with someone
>special
>chick: Huh?
>Maniac: Well, let me put it this way, do you ever
>sleep with a guy who is just your friend, or dont
>care about?
>chick: of course not!

[lots of good use of Jake's shit snipped]

this is interesting, though I couldn't tell if this is something you are GOING
to do, or something you DID already.  either way, IF you are congruent, this
will serve you well as an alternate form of screening.  most of the time, I
screen by ASKING chicks shit and listening to their answers while watching
their faces and body-language.  another way to do it is to basically DICTATE to
them what I need to even CONSIDER being with a chick in any capacity
whatsoever.  most of the time I don't do this though because I can tell already
that the chick is worthless.  I usually get into DICTATION when she asks me
about myself.  am I attached?  what do I look for in a woman? etc.  THEN, since
she asked, I get into the reasons I have chosen women in the past and why I am
still with them in the present.  as I do that, I lay down my laws WITHOUT
telling the chick I am talking to that she needs to get in line with this shit
or get the fuck out of my face.  I have had a couple of chicks blow themselves
out after this.

I was talking to a chick that I know from YEARS ago that started calling me
again and talking about nothing.  I tolerated her for an hour or so on two
different days  A) because I was bored and  B) because through her speech
patterns and recurring ideas, I was learning if she was worth anything to me at
all, considering I get everything I want or need from MLTR in the first place,
she only had a VERY LIMITED use to me, as GOOD backup-pussy.  MLTR is smarter,
more interesting, more fun, less psychotic... basically TRUMPED her in all
areas, so this chick had NO CREDIT with me whatsoever.  I ended up getting into
PRECISELY what you did in your post.  the KICKER was when I told her "I don't
even TALK to girls that I don't want to fuck".  since I had not fucked her AND
had not suggested that we get together (she BELIEVES in monogamous
relationships for herself and even if she fucked me one time, it would be
merely to relieve her own personal stress and I am not going to be there for
her for that.  I am looking for MORE MLTRs... anything else can go fuck off.  I
laughed at her way of being AND broke it down to her why it was so stupid AND
let her know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that I was not going to be involved in
ANYTHING CLOSE to what she claims to want for herself... she can STAY HORNY for
all I care) she INTELLIGENTLY asked me WHY I was talking to her...  I let her
know that I found her amusing and her way of living ineffective.  I pointed out
to her that in the YEARS since I had spoken to her last, ALL she had to show
for it was a bungh of jibberish about WANTING a monogamous relationship that
she HAS NOT ATTAINED IN ALL THESE YEARS!  I let her know that I had predicted
that she would REMAIN dissatisfied for years to come and my talking to her
allowed me to follow her LACK of progress while, in the meantime, I get laid
EVERY DAY by MLTR :)   I have not heard from her SINCE that conversation...
good riddance.  she knew what she HAD to do if she wanted more of my time.  she
knew what she was going to have to do IF she wanted to socialize with me at
all.  she felt like her DEVOTION to the idea of a monogamous relationship with
a NON-EXISTANT man was more important than getting fucked by a guy that she
KNOWS and LIKES.  she is an idiot, and will remain horny UNTIL she fucks the
wrong guy, then has NO ONE to comfort her because I will not be there because
she had her chance and BLEW IT!

I have ZERO TOLERANCE for chicks that want things their way.  if they LIKE
doing things MY WAY, then they can be with me...maybe... for a while... as long
as they still LOOK HOT :)   when I approach chicks, I ASSUME they will fail the
screen because statistics show that I require A LOT from a chick and most of
them are either distracted by work or other relationships or just are not
QUALITY enough to be with me.  I find it amusing how ridiculous the SAME girls
are that I used to DESIRE to go out with and that I USED TO dislike being
rejected by.

now, I meet and REJECT girls daily.  not actively, just after I meet them, I
make NO EFFORT to remain in contact with them and go off to talk to other
chicks, leaving them wondering WHY I was interested enough to approach, but
BECAME DISINTERESTED and ejected for a SIMILARLY-GOOD-LOOKING bitch :)

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From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:50:12 GMT

Social Proof Report! A screambabe sequel!
001127

This report is a sequel to the Screambabe-HBgeek chance meeting
story I posted last week. It is turning out to be a stunning
example in social proof.

Essentially, I was in a bar with HBGeek, doing the ManiacPlan
on her (see my website). I was at stage 'S' (heavy kino, the
sexual question game) when Screambabe (a chick I am already
shagging who happened to be in the bar watching me without me
knowing, came by to interrupt us and cause shit.. see the
report for the details).

First what I did was to contain the 'reaction' after this happened
so that my chance with HBGeek (or any other chick) wouldnt get
ruined by Screambabe spreading bad things about me around, or
stalking my house or something like that.

So I (rightfully so) blamed the whole incident on her, and
immediately sent her two notes, one of them below. What happened
after, was fascinating.. First here is the note I sent her:

---MANIAC WRITES:

Screambabe,

I got your calls. I am still really upset about
how you behaved last week (basically going nuts
because you saw me talking to a girl, and thinking
like you own me..)

Just I dont know what to say, but I expect(ed)
better than that. If something upset you, you should
have stayed quiet (or at least respectful about it
if you wanted to come over to me, which is fine too),
and then talk about it later on the phone or something
if you wanted to talk about it..

.. but what you did was ENTIRELY out of line and
unreasonable..

I just dont know more what to say about it than
that..

Maniac

--END MANIAC WRITES----

--
[My other note was along the same lines, but much more
severe, and in more detail, if I find a copy of it, I
will post it too]

After blaming her for everything, and drilling it in,
Screambabe then replies:

---SCREAMBABE REPLIES (sorry about her fucked up English)

Thank you very much for your sincere mail.
I have been thinking of you and what I did so far.
I read your mail and now understand your feeling very well.

Yes, it was too soon, and of course you feel it is too much.

 As I told you, I am looking a person who might be my special person
in the future as well as just nice friends.
I think I started to think of you too seriously too soon just becausewe
had some relationship.

But I thought it over and over and now I think that I  should
have noticed that men are different from women (including the way of thinking
about such relationship).I am very sorry, Maniac.

I really enjoyed being with you and I could spend wonderful time withyou
though it was only twice.

After this incident happend, I really regreted what I did to you.
If you think OK that we can be just good friends, I would be very happy.
Thank you for your warm words on the phone. ....I am sorry that Icalled
you very late.I appreciate for this.This is my feeling.

I would be happy if you accept my feeling.and many many apologies to
you.

Screambabe

--END SCREAMBABE REPLY

So, now at least she wont be attacking me out in public anymore.. Now
there is more.. I did one fuckup, which actually, turned out in my benefit.
She asked me if I worked in xxx firm. I (figuring she already somehow knew I
did through friends or something) said I did. Turns out she did have a
friend there.

Now apparently, (I find out from bichick from that 'friday experiment in
psychology" (see post on ASF 0011 period) that a lady (which I concluded
was Screambabe) called her friend at my office there to find out about
me.
Of course, since I dont fuck around in the office, but flirt alot, all
the women there love me, think I rock totally. Her friend told other co-
workers about the incident.

But because I had already neutralized Screambabe, she didn't say bad
shit about me like I was two timing her or something, but rather she said
something like...

["I really like this guy, Maniac. He is so wonderful, and can
understand me
so well. But I worry that another girl (she is referring to HB Geek
now, who is better looking than screambabe, and younger too), is trying to take
is heart from me. But Maniac really knows how to treat a lady, and I just
dont know what to do, I really want him so bad..."   etc..etc.]

Well, of course this got around the office at speeds faster than light,
and guess what. Since two days ago, EVERY chick in the office is dying to
get me out and find out what makes me so great that I can get a chick into
such a stupor over me like this. They stop by my office, make sweet
talk, and ask me when I am free.. and the babes.. the 9s, the 10s.. the ones
who wouldnt even turn their head before, without alot of effort on my
part.. Chicks wink, and smile, and get giddy asking me for lunch, for
a beer outside after the office..etc.etc.. like this for a week now...

Bichick told me the whole office now knows the story about Screambabe
calling, and dying to have me again.. and told me that this has now
turned on all the chicks around me who have heard about it as to
"what ever it is that is so special about Maniac, I want it too!"

And that.. is social proof. Its power and strength has surprised even
me.. now I just need to figure out how to use it in 'safe' settings
(ie. outside the office, as I dont dare fuck anyone there, but it made
for a good experiment in social proof anyways).

Fascinating,
Constructive comments and opinions welcome,

Maniac High
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Handling Chick Bullshit, Ms. Kinky wants me to be
monogamous!   (commentary by Maniac and MrSex4uNYC)

From maniac_high@yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 08:57:10 2000
From: "maniac_high" 
Subject: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be 
monogamous!
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I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
ago).

Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 

Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
would just walk away..

Now the first thing to realize at the above statement is: 
Ha...like right, bullshit she will! (She just spent the last 30 
minutes in wonderland extolling how wonderful I am..). 
Furthermore, once you are fucking a chick (and fucking her 
good), it is almost impossible for her to find a way to extricate 
herself from you, no matter WHAT you are like/how many 
chicks you see..

Now, of course, I had to straighten out Ms. Kinky right away, 
as the next time she came over, she'd go hunting for hairs and 
other shit around the house, and confront me with it...can't 
have that now..

So I sent her the following Email the next morning. Lets look 
at it, and then analyze it in "[]"  (below):

Ms. Kinky:,

[I left early last night because I was rather tired..]

>Are you all right? Your 'kaze' gets worse? The red wine 
made you 
>sick? Did I upset you?

No, not at all, but I did want to talk about something however, 
which was the question you asked last night..

Although I am not seeing anyone now, I do want you to 
understand something we did talk about sometime ago 
already.. Which is that I am not ready for a commited 
relationship right now. 

I really like dating you, and seeing you when we are able. But, 
I like my single life, and being able to meet who I want, when 
I want, without feeling bad, or obligated, or feel that I might 
be "cheating" on someone if I might decide to meet somebody 
when I want.

[Maniac lays down the line.... again...]

It doesnt reflect on you, or that I am not satisfied (I am very 
satisfied), It is just the stage I am at right now, and the way I 
want things to be. I know that girls often worry about such 
things, and want to tie the guy down (in a manner of 
speaking). But that way is not for me, I like my life the way it 
is now. So if you continue to see me, I want you to understand 
that fact, and accept it.

[Yep, its special, and think about that!]

Focus instead, on the special relationship we have, and the 
fact that is it only me who understands you in all the ways that 
you are.
--

[Now I cut into her for even THINKING about asking such a 
question!]

As well, I was a bit disappointed you asked such a question, 
when, and where you did, as it was not the appropriate time or 
place. What if the answer had been yes? 

[Hey, its her fault if she ruins her nice evening with such 
bullshit...]

Then you would have ruined your nice birthday mood, that I 
had arranged, and hurt yourself. As well, then I would have 
had to deal with a slightly intoxicated, and likely crying 
unhappy young lady, demonstrating in a public restaurant, 
(one I like and go to sometimes) which is not a situation I 
really deserve, or feel I should have to deal with. 

Please be more thoughtful of such things and possible 
consequences the next time when you raise such topics..

[Now, to avoid this from ever happening again...]

When/if the situation change, I will tell you, you do not need 
to ask such a question again. Otherwise, assume the above. 
Rather, I want our times to be special when we are together, 
and relaxed, and we treat each other in the right way. I 
understand you, and I know how you like to be treated, (in all 
ways). That is what I want to focus on.. 

Maniac

 =-=-=-=-=
That is the note I sent her. Basically, to say that it is bullshit to 
raise such a thing, I dont want to hear it, this is what the rules 
are, and don't ask me again. Implicitly, I also call her on her 
bullshit that she will walk away if I see other chicks... uh 
yeah, right, sure she will..

And you guessed it, the next day, she writes me asking to 
meet me, and wants to come over to my place this weekend..

The moral is, never NEVER underestimate your power vis-a-
vis a chick, ESPECIALLY when you are fucking her 
already,...they are slaves to their emotions about you far more 
than you are a slave to their cunt. (and if you are seeing many 
chicks, you are not even a slave to that either). Know where 
you stand, and what power you HAVE. They will respect you 
for not taking their bullshit, holding the line on your rules, 
(heck, HB Ass still sees me even though I threw her out of the 
house that time at 2am for dropping in on me and another 
chick unannounced). Holding the line on bullshit will make 
them respect you, want you even more, in spite of what they 
may say, they usually will NOT go through on their "threats". 

Finally, if you treat a chick well, fuck her well (as well as be 
firm with your rules on her bullshit), she will tolerate 
everything you do re: seeing other chicks..etc.. they just can't 
help themselves, as their brains want your attention and 
approval more than you need to fuck them.. So you win..

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From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Sat Apr 29 08:57:16 2000
From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Handling chick bullshit!  Ms. Kinky wanted me to be monogamous!
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In article <6O_N4.7060$0n5.111252@c01read04.service.talkway.com>, "maniac_high"
 writes:

>I was out with with Ms. Kinky this week for dinner, and 
>during the meal, after spending 30 minutes extolling how 
>wonderful and sexy I am, she popped the question "are you 
>seeing someone else" (which of course she should KNOW the 
>answer, since I already explained the rules several months 
>ago).
>
>Lets look at what I did to handle this potentially delicate 
>situation (and avoid a scene in the restaurant), when such 
>chick logic rears its ugly head. First, since we were in a public 
>place, and I wanted to avoid crying, and other scenes that 
>slightly intoxicated chicks do when faced with such things, I 
>said that I wasn't seeing anyone else... at this moment (strictly 
>speaking..true, I am with her right now ;-) ). 
>
>Then she went on to say how she didn't care if I was ugly, or 
>really short..blah blah, but if I was seeing another girl, she 
>would just walk away..

maniac :)

I read the rest of this.  the thing to realize is that chicks are ALWAYS
angling for the monogamous relationship.  it is biological... just like it is
biological for men to fuck as many chicks as we can and spread our seed around
(well... before condoms that is)  that is why even though she KNEW the rules,
she broke them and brought up a ridiculous issue :)

in another post, I mentioned that I have attained my first MLTR.  it is a
totally OPEN relationship.  she is the one that requested it and I agreed.  the
reason she requested it is that she KNEW from my "prep" that the ONLY way she
was going to get with me was to accept my freedom.  she was going to have to be
"MINE" to get fucked, but she knew that if she pressed for the monogamy, she
would be unceremoniously EJECTED!  not because I don't like her... I just don't
operate like that anymore :)

for this chick to tell you that SHE is going to walk away from YOU, she had to
believe that she had some leverage... SOMETHING that you are getting from her
that you CAN NOT get from another chick.  that doesn't happen to me because
girls call my answering machine WHILE my MLTR is with me.  she can HEAR them
asking me to call them back.  she KNOWS that "the game" is how I live, and she
has CHOSEN to get involved mentally, emotionally and PHYSICALLY with someone
like me.  as of right now, she KNOWS I will choose her over ANY other chick as
far as spending quality time because the other girls are just for sport...
however, we will see how her tune changes when I find another girl I deem
WORTHY of being with me as "MY BITCH".  I know THIS MUCH though... if she
decides to make a power play like THAT... she had BETTER make SURE she is
INDISPENSIBLE... or else that might be the last MINUTE I spend with her.

one thing you have to realize about girls that you already have is that you had
to go through a process to get them... they are THEIR OWN PROOF THAT YOU CAN
PULL BITCHES!  the same way you got them in, let's say a WEEK.... you can get
another girl ONE WEEK after you leave her... to make matters worse, she is not
with you around the clock... you might ALREADY have other chicks.

besides, whether you ARE seeing other chicks is not as important as whether you
WILL see other chicks if the op arises.  the question she asked you is
structured in the PAST... you are now in the PRESENT eating dinner with her...
she needs to know that there is NO TELLING which bitches INCLUDING HER FUCKING
MOTHER that you are going to fuck after you drop her off tonight... and she has
to LIKE IT TOO!  >:)

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Re: Mystery: delusional chicks & sympathy lies! 
Date: 11/12/2000 
Author: maniac_high  

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Re: Mystery: delusional chicks & sympathy lies!
001112
 
Mystery wrote in another post this week regarding lying
to chicks, about how not to underestimate how delusional
a chick is willing to become in order to keep her 'happy'
view of the world.
 
He is absolutely right. And this explains how seeming
'jerk' can get away with what seems like such ridiculous
shit.
 
Case in point, is where I recently did a fuckup, and then
recovered with Karatebabe (see lay report, my page). This
is the chick that would go around my place after sex
cleaning up her own hairs so that "the other chicks"
wouldnt find out about her.
 
Well, one day we are going for coffee, and she asks me
if I had been seeing another chick at the time I started
dating her. Figuring (incorrectly) from her behavior,
that this chick knew totally what the score already was,
I said I had been (wrong answer!).
 
She freaked out and went balistic at me. Shit about "how
I make her fool, go behind her back..and other shit".
In retrospect it was clear though.. she got upset, because
something she merely 'suspected' (even though it was fucking
obvious as shit, as other chicks stuff was all over the
fucking house), now became something 'confirmed', and that
shattered her entire world..
 
I then smartened up and realized what I had just done,
and recovered by saying that I dumped her after I first
started dating you (Karatebabe), a few weeks later.
 
After that, she settled down (even though every week
there was different chick stuff all over the house
after that!). She asked me about it, and I said no,
there are no chicks..
 
She said she accepted that, and that her 'nightmare'
now was over, and everything was fine again.
 
Later she found some makeup and chick stuff in the
bathroom cabinet (another chick must have slipped
it there for someone else to find it), so I had
to think fast on my feet for that one...
 
So I told her that I have a real dark secret and
she might be very disappointed in me (now she is
expecting to hear something about a chick)..
 
Then (remembering she likes gays and stuff) I tell
her that I like to make believe to dress like a girl
(lots of J-guys do it actually, so I know it is not
so far fetched here), and I have guy friends that do it
with me, and sorry I didnt tell you earlier.. (of
course this is TOTALLY false.. Maniac is not even
remotely gay, nor a crossdresser or any of that shit)...
however.. she ACCEPTED that story, and was relieved
(in spite of the fact that I was almost cracking up
when I said it, since I was SURE she would call me
on my bullshit... but she didnt)!
 
Fuck!, the totally ridiculous things you have to
tell a chick...  AND! they accept it (as they
try to internalize it and believe it at least at
some level so that their happy delusional world
doesn't come crashing to bits)..
 
Strange, isnt it..!
 
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Toecutter, and using the laws of power!




From toecutter@mail.com Mon Oct 23 09:39:39 2000
From: "toecutter" 
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Lessons from Book: The 48 Laws of Power
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Just reading a book, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. Definitely
lessons everywhere in the book on what we do here.
The book is amoral, and open about the deception inherit in what he is
teaching. It is largely for life outside the arena of seduction, but
entrirely applicable and there are some seduction examples in it to
illustrate his points (only historical: For example the advice of Ninon de
Lenclos on seduction to the Marquis de Sevigne and what happened when the
Marquis did not follow her advice, etc.). The examples are all pulled from
the Sun Tzu (Chinese, the Art of War), European history, famous con men,
magicians and charlatans, Kings, Queens, Napoleon and other power brokers
such as Al Capone. Perfect for you guys who enjoy Machiavelli. At 450
reasonably large format pages it is fairly long.

It is going to take me several re-readings, but at the moment I see the
messages as really 3 fold: First, play your cards pretty close to your
chest. This creates mystery. The more you say, the more common you appear
and the less in control. Andy Wohol created enigma by not discussing his
work and answering questions by being intentionally vague giving people the
feeling that he was being more profound than he was.  If you do not reveal
all, people will never become bored with you or your presence because you
will continue to represent a challenge, and will be eternally interesting.
Your silence will make other people feel uncomfortable and humans are
machines of interpretation and explanation; they have to know what you are
thinking. When you carefully control what you reveal, they cannot pierce
your intentions and meaning. Your short answers will put them on the
defensive and they will jump in, nervously filling the silence with all
kinds of comments that will reveal valuable information about themselves and
their weaknesses.

This brings me to the second message. Learn everything you can about other
people. Their strengths and weaknesses, their crutches and trance words.
Their motivations. Use these to your advantage whilst revealing as little as
possible about yourself. Keep them the focus of the conversation, and be a
'Spy' on their minds by eliciting values.

The third lesson is to use smoke and mirrors to obscure your objectives and
motivations. Throw decoys out there, use gifts as Trojan horses, and be
circumspect in what is going on. Again, this throws them off your game,
gives you an upper hand.

None of this is to say that you need to be quiet or a bad conversationalist,
just the opposite, by spying and eliciting values, you are encouraging
people to talk about themselves, their own favourite subject. By being brief
about yourself you are creating mystery and interest. It is just that you
are collecting the information in order to use it against them at another
time, whilst manipulating your image and reputation in their minds and
obscuring your real motivations. In some ways it is a book on playing hard
to get while outmanoeuvring the girl. A perfect structure in which to drop
SS.

Some of the content is below. I can post more on it if you would like
further discussion; I am overflowing with ideas on it.

Toecutter.

---

To list some of the laws that are obviously applicable:

Law 3: Conceal your intentions (Keep people off balance and in the dark by
never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what
you are up to, they cannot prepare a defence. Guide them far enough down the
wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realise your
intentions, it will be too late.)

Law 4: Always say less than is necessary

Law 6: Court attention at all costs

Law 8: Make other people come to you - use bait if necessary

Law 9: Win though your actions, never through argument. (Any momentary
triumph you win though argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment
and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary
change in opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you
though your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.)

Law 10: Infection: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky (it works the other way
also. This is an alternative take on social-proof, or pivots or whatever you
want to call them, as well as wingmen. Also advice on not getting involved
with the wrong girl.)

Law 11: Learn to keep people dependent on you.

Law 12: Use selective generosity to disarm your victim (One sincere and
honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Openhearted gestures
of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious
people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour, you can
deceive and manipulate at will.)

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people's self interest, never to
their mercy or gratitude.

Law 14: Pose as a friend, work as a spy.

Law 16: Use absence to increase respect and honour. (Again through mystery
and not stuffing it up by staying too long and doing or saying something
wrong.)

Law 17: Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an air of
unpredictability

Law 18: Do not build fortresses to protect yourself - Isolation is
dangerous. (Get out there amongst them).

Law 19: Know who you are dealing with - do not offend the wrong person.

Law 20: Do not commit yourself to anyone.

Law 21: Play a sucker to catch a sucker - appear dumber than your mark. (Let
her think that she is in control and smart, less naive, don't let on you are
a player).

Law 25: Re-create yourself (Do not accept the roles that society foists on
you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands
attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image
rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dynamic devices
into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your
character will seem larger than life).

Law 26: Keep your hands clean. (You must seem a paragon of civility and
efficiency: Your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds.
Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat'
s-paws to disguise your involvement).

Law 27: Play on peoples need to believe to create a cult like following.
(advice in this chapter is on how to become a cult leader or maybe build a
harem. 5 strategies to your dogma! a) Keep it vague; Keep it simple b)
Emphasise the visual and sensual over the intellectual c) Borrow the forms
of organised religion to structure the group d) Disguise your income source
e) set up an us-vs.-them dynamic. I think Ross Jeffries read this one!)

Law 28: Enter action with Boldness. (If you are unsure of a course of
action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your
execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any
mistakes you make through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity.
Everyone admires the bold; no one honours the timid).

Law 29: Plan all the way to the end.

Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless. (Your actions must seem
natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that goes into
them, also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act
effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of
revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your
tricks or they will be used against you .. I am breaking this rule right
here with this post, as is the Authour of the book.)

Law 31: Control the options: Get others to play with the cards you deal.
(The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a
choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your
puppets. Give people options that come out in your favour whichever one they
choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of
which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of the dilemma: they are
gored wherever they turn. Note: this is a different view on my idea of
re-framing questions. The questions are re-framed so well that the girl has
no option.)

Law 32: Play to people's fantasies.

Law 33: Discover each mans thumbscrew.

Law 34: Be royal in your own fashion: Act like a king to be treated like
one.

Law 35: Master the art of timing. (Never seem to be in a hurry - hurrying
betrays a lack of control over yourself, and over time. Always seem patient,
as if you know that everything will come to you eventually. Become a
detective of the right moment; sniff out the spirit of the times, the trends
that will carry you to power. Learn to stand back when the time is not yet
ripe, and to strike fiercely when it has reached fruition.)

Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.

Law 37: Create compelling spectacles. (Striking imagery and grand symbolic
gestures create the aura of power - everyone responds to them. Stage
spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant
symbols to heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will
notice what you are really doing.)

Law 40: Despise the free Lunch.

Law 43: Work on the hearts and minds of others.

Law 44: Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect. (The mirror reflects
reality, but is the perfect tool for deception: When you mirror your
enemies, doing exactly as they do, they cannot figure out your strategy. The
mirror Effect mocks and humiliates them, making them overreact. By holding
up a mirror to their psyches, you seduce them with the illusion that you
share their values; by holding up a mirror to their actions you teach them a
lesson. Few can resist the power of the mirror effect.)

Law 48: Assume formlessness. (By taking a shape, by having a visible plan,
you open yourself to attact. Instead of taking a form for the girl to grasp,
keep yourself adaptable and on the move. Accept the fact that nothing is
certain and no law is fixed. The best way to protect yourself is to be as
fluid and formless as water: never bet on stability or lasting order.
Everything changes.)

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Rocks & Gold, one of the most important concepts in
seduction!



From: maniac_high@yahoo.com
Subject: Relationships are based on Rocks and Gold!
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:04:16 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast

Relationships are based on Rocks and Gold!
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Relationships are based on Rocks and Gold!
Thanks to Jake! for coming up with this
EXCELLENT analogy. It explains so much about
what guys, and chicks are looking for in
relationships. See the original posts
by Jake (www.fastseduction.com archives)
for more on rocks/gold.

Below is a transcript of what I wrote to
a very confused middle aged lady (she had 
been rejecting all the 'nice guys' as 'not
her type', then got a playboy who played 
her, and now she wonders why she got played).

I write about what guys are looking for in 
relationships and how that relates to what 
chicks are looking for. It introduces the 
concept of 'rocks and gold', and important
concept in the art of PU, as well as other
comments about chicks saying one thing, and
then doing another.


----
Dear confused middle aged lady;

Let me tell you about rocks and gold.

I often tell this story to chicks when they
try to give me bullshit about 'being friends'
and wanting to go out to dinners et.al. before
agreeing to be my GF/put out sex. It says alot about 
how guys (and ladies) think, and why they have so
much trouble to understand each other. It
should answer your question about what guys
think..

Men and women both appreciate things that are
valuable. Diamonds (rocks) and gold are both
very valuable things. In a relationship,
diamonds= personality (ie arranging nice romantic
dinners, walks on the moonlight, candlelight
with soft music', a sense of connection), 
while gold='sex'.

But women prefer diamonds to gold (usually), 
and men prefer gold to diamonds (usually). 
Of course, both are important, especially in a 
long term relationship, but if a woman could 
choose, she would prefer the diamonds first, 
and the man would prefer the gold  first.

And (generally), a man can accept gold without 
the diamonds, and a woman can accept diamonds 
without any gold.

So in a relationship, a woman is mining for
diamonds, while the man is mining for gold.

But if you give a woman gold (sex) only, or a man
diamonds (romantic walks and nice dinners) only.. 
neither is likely to be very happy, and the 
relationship will soon fall apart. In short, 
an exchange of sorts takes place in a successful 
relationship.

So if a man expects just gold (sex), but doesnt want
to give her diamonds (relationship & the mushy
stuff), then she will dump him fairly soon, 
because he is playing/using her just for sex..

And if a woman expects just diamonds (walks,
attention, nice dinners, movies..etc) without
giving some gold (sex), then he (if he has any
clue about how to deal with women, though many
men do not, especially in North America) will 
dump her because she is using/playing him just 
for his personality.

That should put you to a good start as to how
these things are based.

Another advice.. ignore the relationship books
out there. Most are written by chicks who have
NO IDEA  what it is like from the guys' perspective,
or by psychologists who have NO CLUE how to PU or what
it is like in the field).I have yet to see even one 
that is remotely correct.. and some make me almost throw
up when I look at the TOTALLY wrong, and destructive
information in there. Guys who follow what is in
these books are doomed to disaster. Not sure about
the ladies though, since I am not one..

As for dating guides for guys, what is correct probably 
could not be published without a bunch of nazi feminist
protesters showing up at the door of the publisher
the next morning, so it isnt likely to happen
any time soon I think.

Rather, everything I learned, I learned in 'the
field' and with guys who are successful at this.. 

Just keep in mind that the guys who are very successful
with women, in large part, are intelligent, and understand 
psychology very VERY well. It is scary sometimes
how good some of these guys are. Moving a chick through
states, using stuff like NLP, story embedded covert
hypnosis, cult hypnosis techniques (watch the TV
preachers on late night TV for examples of it),
tonality, the way you touch a chick when you meet
her, plus other psychological tools to induce 
admiration, confusion, fear, desire and other tools 
to move a person's mind to do what you want it to. 

It is astonishingly effective when you know how
to execute all this, and are experienced at it.. 

It becomes a factory process (though done correctly, it 
NEVER looks that way AT ALL to the chick) and you have a 70% 
chance or greater (in my experience) in getting any given chick
to fall in love with you in a very very short time... it is
a science really.. 

Actually, this is why I have respect for so few chicks with
respect to how they select guys .. (you excepted, dont 
worry ;-) , at least you were smart enough to ask me the 
question you asked, which is good). 

So why do I have respect for so few chicks when it comes to
how they choose guys? .. because the guys who are good with 
women.. are exactly the ones they SHOULD AVOID!! But, rather, 
they throw themselves at them like flies flying right into the 
fire.

The right guys to choose, are the ones aloof with women, the
geeks who dont know how to lead a chick, are not 'silver
tongued'..etc. Because those guys will stick to just one
woman, because they either dont want alot (which is why
they are not skilled at picking up women and making them
feel good), or just they cant, so when they get a good
one, they do everything they can for her. 

But chicks never do this!! They are so stupid! Instead, 
they go out with the 'playboy', or the guy who is smooth with 
women, and then freak out when she finds out that he has 
2 or 3 other GF's!

I mean, heck, what did she expect?! If a guy is
good with woman, then he will in all likelyhood, have more
than one (I mean how does she expect he got so good with
women in the first place?!?). She is just stupid, or naive
to think otherwise!

This by the way is a big difference between a guy and a lady..
ladies are programmed/hard wired in their brains 
to get one guy, and be very devoted, while guys are programmed 
in their brains' hardwires to to get as much ladies as they can. 
Now that is not all true for all guys.. some dont do this, but 
then they are not likely to have much experience, so these 
WONT be skilled with ladies.

It was a couple years ago, I decided that since the ladies are
only out looking for themselves, that I would worry to get what 
I want first, and not put the lady first anymore. It is their 
job to fend for themselves, and decide whether or not to start a 
relationship with me. Because caring too much for the ladies 
needs (before they become your GF), or rewarding them for doing 
NOTHING for you (ie. taking them out to dinners.et.al. without 
her ever giving you sex)... makes sure that you dont ever get any!

Now you dont want to do the other parts of your life that way (and
I dont), but with women, if you dont do it that way.. you will
generally not attract women of quality. Ideally, I dont want to 
do it this way, but the old way definately does NOT work..the 
above is the way the rules are in the world (that get results), 
so best to play by them I figure, if I want any results.

Not surprisingly, I get women of very high quality now. 
Extremely beautiful, smart, intelligent and exciting. Far more, and
of far higher quality than when I used to be a 'nice guy' and
would put the woman first before me.

Now you start to get an idea how a guy who is successful with
women thinks maybe.. 

(note that guys who are NOT successful with women will not think 
ANYTHING like the above..and likely will be in horror about what 
I just wrote above..  and also note that if you ask a guy who is 
successful with women about the above, he will also appear to be 
in horror, because he is smart enough to know that if he said he
agreed with this, you would blow him out. But if I talked to that
same guy though, he would (behind your back), agree with every word 
I just said..

I can tell you all this honestly though, because I am your friend, 
and have no alterior motive.. but if a chick I was interested in 
asked me about this (and I hadn't got her yet), I would also 
'appear to be horrified' by the above... its just the way the game 
is played..

All is fair in love & war. Once you understand it, it is so true..

--End reply to confused middle aged chick

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In article ,"maniac_high" writes:>Profile Report: Maniac meets the chick logic HB BLITZ!>990915>>Sometimes, when I think even I understand how far chick >logic can take a woman's brain, I meet someone new, who >reminds me how little I know. Tonight was such a night.

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it is NOT a problem. when I used to date several chicks that lived near eachother, I announced to all of them that I was seeing other chicks. I alsoannounced to the important ones WHO the other chicks were, because I didn'twant to get caught in lies or bad situations walking around town with them. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, ALL of them gave me NO resistance whatsoever. None of them asked me to be onlywith them. my demeanor from the beginning is one of take-it-or-leave-it onboth sides. when they meet me, I am freely checking out chicks' asses and titsand commenting on them. if they DECIDE to get with me, Buy Clonazepam from mexico, they know this ahead oftime that I like LOTS of girls and am not interested in them for their minds ortheir emotions, but for their bodies and for fun. they have already acceptedthis by the time they get with me, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. they do not EXPECT me to just be with themor to love them or have some emotional connection to them. they see me asaction like I see them as action and we agree and that's it. what happensthough is that they want MORE after a while and start to up the ante to get meto just be with them. the difference here is that THEY are requestingsomething of me, not the other way around. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, If I were requesting sex from them,they could request the context of a relationship / committment. since I am NOTand they know I can get sex off of any other chick as quickly as I got it offof her, THEY have to do the work to MAKE ME want to just be with them. I haveALL the power in the relationship... all they can do is get with the program orLEAVE.
>From her description, BF playboy is an interesting >character, and a good PUA. Apparently, he will hit on >chicks anywhere, even in front of HB blitz!

as long as this is set up in the beginning, you can do this forever, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. if youdon't accept any women that hinder your efforts to meet other women, you end upin this situation. she DESIRES being with you, so she will do anything to keepyou happy... INCLUDING waiting for you while you meet other chicks that youwant to fuck, Clonazepam for sale. if you don't set this up from the start, you are finished. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, ifyou go to them as if you want a one-on-one relationship and THEN try to look atother girls, you imply that you want a one-on-one with the OTHER CHICKS and notwith your girl. if you approach her like she is going to be ONE OF YOUR GIRLS,then she can take that or leave it.

you have to realize that chicks are looking for a certain feeling. it's notlike guys where we can trade in one pair of 36Cs for another and be perfectlysatisfied. once you make that connection to them, you have a special placewith them. they can ignore that or fight it or shut you out of their lives ifthey want to, but most times, the feelings they get with other guys is nowherenear what they feel for you and they are so interested in getting that feelingthat they will accept YOUR VERSION of a "relationship" to whatever extent theycan stand it.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. including lesbo 3-ways :)>(I am trying to >find a way I can meet him, so I can go PU with him ;-) ). BF >playboy seems to have a bit of Nathan's GM's friend >attitude, and will go hit on chicks in a restaurant, and then >come back to HB Blitz and remark about how that chick has >good tits, or whatever. He is in their face, and will get >phone numbers and everything, and leave HB Blitz sitting at >the table while he is doing the PUA (and no, Where can i buy Clonazepam online, she doesn't >leave, she sits and TAKES IT!).

she knows what she wants. she wants him to be with her. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, if she doesn't accepthis way of living, she will be DUMPED. where is she then. no boyfriend... noboyfriend that she REALLY LIKES... no sex... no being taken out.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. noaffection... starting all over with another guy after TWO YEARS of EMOTIONALINVESTMENT... her best bet is to stick with him REGARDLESS of him fuckingother women and telling her to join into the action.

obviously he doesn't give a fuck about her feelings because he has so manyother chicks that are willing to take her place. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she knows this too and has nochoice but to accept his way, or be excommunicated... potentially NEVER SEEINGHIM EVER AGAIN. she probably has DREAMS of marrying him and hopes that if shestays around long enough, his love for her will overshadow his lust for theother girls and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH... that's how they think. when a chickWANTS YOU... it's aaaaaaalll over, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. that is... if you are a unique individualand they feel like they have never met anyone like you and the odds of gettingthis close to someone like you again are very low.
>Another time, buy generic Clonazepam, they were on a plane trip somewhere, and he >went to the back of the plane to grab a smoke. He came >back 30 minutes later, and she asked where he was (he said >he was talking to some girls in the back of the plane). Then Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >he left again, and stayed back there the duration of the flight >with the chicks. HB blitz TOOK THAT, too!

what do you WANT her to do about it. he is probably paying for the plane trip.
he is taking her somewhere that she would never have gone except for him. heis making her life better. what do you want her to do, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. tell him she wants himto only be with her. BOOTED. tell him she wants him to spend all his time withher. BOOTED. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she knows that she is expendable and he is ALLOWING her to havesome of her time. she is hanging onto him for DEAR LIFE and does not want toupset him in any way. that's why I ended up here at the NG. girls that I moveon don't TELL me anything. they just let me do what I want to do because theylike me and they like how I am making them feel. I never have had to TALK awoman into bed, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. Buy cheapest Clonazepam, they WANT to fuck me. We don't discuss relationships oranything else because they know that I want to fuck them and leave them andthey accept that over NEVER experiencing me at all. I don't call them formonths then I get a craving for them and ask them out. they could tell me nobecause I don't call them every day. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, they could tell me no because I am datingother women. they could tell me no because they hate me. it doesn't matter atall because they know I only want them for fun and sex. they know that if I amcalling, it is for a reason... and a good reason :)>And there are many many more stories like this she told me,>where she caught him out with chicks, and he got angry at>her, or didn't deny it, or other shit..

why should he. you are reacting based on a level playing field, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. just becausethe chick is attractive, YOU THINK she has rights. she does not. she gaveaway her rights to her BF because she NEEDS to be with him. think of her as awarpig going out with an attractive guy. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, the warpig is going to take whateverSCRAPS of a relationship she can get. it's the same thing for an HB that WANTSto be with a particular MAN, where can i find Clonazepam online. it doesn't matter WHAT he does because he is theonly one that makes her feel how she wants to feel. She will take that feelingat any price until it is too much for her, then she will quit him until shedoes not have that craving satisfied by any other man, then she will wonderwhat he is doing and crawl back to him... only she can't afford this becauseWHY should he accept her back. she fucked up, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. She has considered leaving himLOTS of times. you know why she didnt. because she has NOTHING BETTER LINEDUP. she will stick with him INDEFINITELY.
Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >And now, the coup de grace. BF Playboy had given a key to >his place to HB blitz at some point. One day she forgot >something (or used this as an excuse to spy.Maniac knows >better ;-) ), and called BF playboy several times. Then she >goes in the place, and she catches him doing a chick on the >bed. Her remark, was something like "Who is this fucking >girl!". And now the good part, he got angry at HER, and >blamed her, that it was her fault, because she came in >uninivited, and thats why she found this, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. HER FAULT, Buy cheap Clonazepam no rx, not >HIS. She TOOK THAT TOO!.

it WAS her fault. I'm sure that when he gave her the key he TOLD HER THERULES. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, "you are NOT allowed to come over here unless you check with me first"and she agreed. SHE broke the rules and went to his PERSONAL SPACE uninvited.
it is ALL her fault. besides, how stupid do you have to be to see him gettingnumbers and flirting and telling her that the other girl has nice tits andthink that he's NOT fucking them too. the same thing that attracts the HB tohim attracts OTHER CHICKS to him too and they know this and accept that he hasso much appeal that he can get chicks at will. she is not important to him atall and they both know it and she accepts it, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription.
>And, the killer!.she then told me, it was for reasons like >this.that she somehow LIKED HIM!. I asked her to >explain, and she couldn't. My impression is that she likes an >attractice man she cannot control, and this has to be the >ultimate example of that. She also remarked she likes the >man to be in control, and lead her.

oh... Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, well there you go. she likes to be controlled, purchase Clonazepam online no prescription. end of story.

she likes that helpless feeling she gets when he is seducing other women infront of her. she likes to be treated like garbage. she likes for him to bewho he is and do whatever he wants, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. that makes it even worse. what do youthink she thinks of AFCs that ask to buy her drinks and do things for her.
there is no control over her there. the guys she meets in the street or in theclubs cater to her. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she is tired of that and wants to feel like she has tostruggle. she needs to feel that she is TRYING to get this guy to just be withher. if he changes up and just gets with her, she will be bored and go aftersomeone else.
>After that incident, he asked her to move in with him. .and >SHE DID. And SHE STILL LIVES THERE, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. And, get this, >he is never home most night (get a clue fuck!, heck, Order Clonazepam from mexican pharmacy, I bet >she already knows, but somehow in some masochistic way, >she likes getting left home while BF playboy is out fucking >other chicks!).. and, she says she can't decide what to do!

if the chick wants you, you can do ANYTHING to her or in front of her and shewill accept it and love you still. it's all in the setup though. if youdeclare yourself an independent, attractive, appealing MAN and you are notgoing to stop fucking other chicks for her or any other girl, she has twochoices... stay with the "flawed" man that she WANTS FOR HERSELF... or get withother guys that MAY BE JUST AS FLAWED but have NO TRACK RECORD and NOREFERENCES, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription.

think about it... even though he is fucking all these other girls, Clonazepam pharmacy, he isprobably the MOST CONSISTANT lay she has ever had. when she needs that orgasm,he gives it to her how she likes it. GAME OVER.
Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >Its like the more this guy abuses her (not physically), the >more she takes even more!

I think her "control" remark says it all. she likes to be controlled and thereis no better way to feel controlled than to have things happen to you or infront of you that you don't like, but can't stop. This chick is every man'sdream :) beautiful and subservient.
>It also means that Maniac will get much more GM in style, >and much more blatent with chicks when around chicks. I >will see what happens and report. Not be an asshole like>this guy (though being an asshole seems to get good chicks>because she is fucking AWESOME).

there is a difference between acting on your appeal to women and being anasshole, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. fucking other chicks and asking your "girlfriend" to get involved init is NOT being an asshole. verbally or physically abusing her IS being anasshole. you can be one without the other, and in a world where guys aretaught to bow down to women, it is refreshing for them to meet a MAN thatfollows his PRIMAL INSTINCTS and wants to fuck her.
>As an aside to this, I told her that I am seeing a chick, Clonazepam price, (in >fact, she has even seen me with her!), it didn't bother her, >she was after me, and holding hands massages and kino and >all other shit I didn't even start when I was with her. I Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >would have fucked her RIGHT THERE, had she not been a >club member (which my other GF is also a member of ; >ha!).

learn the lesson. don't accept girls that won't accept you fucking othergirls.. or if you have to be sneaky about it, fuck her WELL then change therules of the game. if she wants to continue to see you, she has to accept thatyou are going to be with other chicks AND expect her to get down in 3-ways...
either that or it's over between you... her choice., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. she will NEVER choose toleave you if you fucked her RIGHT. also, she will come crawling back when sherealizes that now she's dating men that don't give a fuck about her orgasms andare just dumping sperm into her mouth and pussy... she'll be back... ON YOURTERMS.
Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >Fucking unbelieveable.. I would have never expected chicks >to think like this and act this way.and I thought I had seen >a lot.. BTW, this chick is an abosolute hot 10, buy Clonazepam online no prescription, even by >Japanese standards.top model quality.. so its not like that >she couldn't get another BF to replace this guy in 30 >seconds or something.

she could get a BODY to replace his... but that's not what it's about withgirls :)

they need FEELINGS. figure out her END VALUES, not her MEANS VALUES, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. It seemslike she gets a feeling from her ATTRACTION to her boyfriend and his CONTROLover her and his APATHY and the fact that she has to WORK to keep him happy orhe will leave her. she can't get that combination with just ANY GUY. yes, shecan get another guy ASAP... but she could have done that for the last 2 YEARSnow couldn't she. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, ;)

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Oct 1 00:27:45 1999From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: Profile Report. Maniac meets the chick logic HB BLITZ.
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I have read ahead and would like to repeat what I have been saying all along:

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it is NOT a problem. when I used to date several chicks that lived near eachother, I announced to all of them that I was seeing other chicks. I alsoannounced to the important ones WHO the other chicks were, because I didn'twant to get caught in lies or bad situations walking around town with them, buy Clonazepam online cod.
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>From her description, Clonazepam from canadian pharmacy, BF playboy is an interesting >character, and a good PUA. Apparently, he will hit on >chicks anywhere, even in front of HB blitz!

as long as this is set up in the beginning, you can do this forever. if youdon't accept any women that hinder your efforts to meet other women, you end upin this situation, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. she DESIRES being with you, so she will do anything to keepyou happy... INCLUDING waiting for you while you meet other chicks that youwant to fuck. if you don't set this up from the start, you are finished. ifyou go to them as if you want a one-on-one relationship and THEN try to look atother girls, you imply that you want a one-on-one with the OTHER CHICKS and notwith your girl. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, if you approach her like she is going to be ONE OF YOUR GIRLS,then she can take that or leave it.

you have to realize that chicks are looking for a certain feeling. it's notlike guys where we can trade in one pair of 36Cs for another and be perfectlysatisfied. once you make that connection to them, you have a special placewith them. they can ignore that or fight it or shut you out of their lives ifthey want to, but most times, buy Clonazepam no prescription, the feelings they get with other guys is nowherenear what they feel for you and they are so interested in getting that feelingthat they will accept YOUR VERSION of a "relationship" to whatever extent theycan stand it... including lesbo 3-ways :)>(I am trying to >find a way I can meet him, so I can go PU with him ;-) ), Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. BF >playboy seems to have a bit of Nathan's GM's friend >attitude, and will go hit on chicks in a restaurant, and then >come back to HB Blitz and remark about how that chick has >good tits, or whatever. He is in their face, and will get >phone numbers and everything, and leave HB Blitz sitting at >the table while he is doing the PUA (and no, she doesn't >leave, she sits and TAKES IT!).

she knows what she wants. she wants him to be with her. if she doesn't accepthis way of living, she will be DUMPED. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, where is she then. no boyfriend... noboyfriend that she REALLY LIKES... no sex... no being taken out... noaffection.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. Clonazepam over the counter, starting all over with another guy after TWO YEARS of EMOTIONALINVESTMENT... her best bet is to stick with him REGARDLESS of him fuckingother women and telling her to join into the action.

obviously he doesn't give a fuck about her feelings because he has so manyother chicks that are willing to take her place. she knows this too and has nochoice but to accept his way, or be excommunicated... Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, potentially NEVER SEEINGHIM EVER AGAIN. she probably has DREAMS of marrying him and hopes that if shestays around long enough, his love for her will overshadow his lust for theother girls and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH... that's how they think. when a chickWANTS YOU... it's aaaaaaalll over. that is.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. if you are a unique individualand they feel like they have never met anyone like you and the odds of gettingthis close to someone like you again are very low.
>Another time, they were on a plane trip somewhere, and he >went to the back of the plane to grab a smoke. He came >back 30 minutes later, and she asked where he was (he said >he was talking to some girls in the back of the plane). Then >he left again, and stayed back there the duration of the flight >with the chicks. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, HB blitz TOOK THAT, too!

what do you WANT her to do about it. he is probably paying for the plane trip, buy Clonazepam without a prescription.
he is taking her somewhere that she would never have gone except for him. heis making her life better. what do you want her to do. tell him she wants himto only be with her, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. BOOTED. tell him she wants him to spend all his time withher. BOOTED. she knows that she is expendable and he is ALLOWING her to havesome of her time. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she is hanging onto him for DEAR LIFE and does not want toupset him in any way. that's why I ended up here at the NG. girls that I moveon don't TELL me anything. they just let me do what I want to do because theylike me and they like how I am making them feel. I never have had to TALK awoman into bed. they WANT to fuck me, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. We don't discuss relationships oranything else because they know that I want to fuck them and leave them andthey accept that over NEVER experiencing me at all. I don't call them formonths then I get a craving for them and ask them out. they could tell me nobecause I don't call them every day. they could tell me no because I am datingother women. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, they could tell me no because they hate me. it doesn't matter atall because they know I only want them for fun and sex. they know that if I amcalling, Online buy Clonazepam without a prescription, it is for a reason... and a good reason :)>And there are many many more stories like this she told me,>where she caught him out with chicks, and he got angry at>her, or didn't deny it, or other shit..

why should he. you are reacting based on a level playing field. just becausethe chick is attractive, YOU THINK she has rights, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. she does not. she gaveaway her rights to her BF because she NEEDS to be with him. think of her as awarpig going out with an attractive guy. the warpig is going to take whateverSCRAPS of a relationship she can get. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, it's the same thing for an HB that WANTSto be with a particular MAN. it doesn't matter WHAT he does because he is theonly one that makes her feel how she wants to feel. She will take that feelingat any price until it is too much for her, then she will quit him until shedoes not have that craving satisfied by any other man, then she will wonderwhat he is doing and crawl back to him... only she can't afford this becauseWHY should he accept her back. she fucked up. She has considered leaving himLOTS of times, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. you know why she didnt. because she has NOTHING BETTER LINEDUP, purchase Clonazepam online. she will stick with him INDEFINITELY.
>And now, the coup de grace. BF Playboy had given a key to Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >his place to HB blitz at some point. One day she forgot >something (or used this as an excuse to spy.Maniac knows >better ;-) ), and called BF playboy several times. Then she >goes in the place, and she catches him doing a chick on the >bed. Her remark, was something like "Who is this fucking >girl!". And now the good part, he got angry at HER, and >blamed her, that it was her fault, because she came in >uninivited, and thats why she found this. HER FAULT, not >HIS, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. She TOOK THAT TOO!.

it WAS her fault. Rx free Clonazepam, I'm sure that when he gave her the key he TOLD HER THERULES. "you are NOT allowed to come over here unless you check with me first"and she agreed. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, SHE broke the rules and went to his PERSONAL SPACE uninvited.
it is ALL her fault. besides, how stupid do you have to be to see him gettingnumbers and flirting and telling her that the other girl has nice tits andthink that he's NOT fucking them too. the same thing that attracts the HB tohim attracts OTHER CHICKS to him too and they know this and accept that he hasso much appeal that he can get chicks at will. she is not important to him atall and they both know it and she accepts it.
>And, the killer!.she then told me, it was for reasons like >this.that she somehow LIKED HIM!, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. I asked her to >explain, and she couldn't. My impression is that she likes an >attractice man she cannot control, and this has to be the >ultimate example of that. She also remarked she likes the >man to be in control, and lead her.

oh... well there you go. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she likes to be controlled. end of story.

she likes that helpless feeling she gets when he is seducing other women infront of her. she likes to be treated like garbage. she likes for him to bewho he is and do whatever he wants. that makes it even worse, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. what do youthink she thinks of AFCs that ask to buy her drinks and do things for her, Clonazepam samples.
there is no control over her there. the guys she meets in the street or in theclubs cater to her. she is tired of that and wants to feel like she has tostruggle. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she needs to feel that she is TRYING to get this guy to just be withher. if he changes up and just gets with her, she will be bored and go aftersomeone else.
>After that incident, he asked her to move in with him. .and >SHE DID. And SHE STILL LIVES THERE. And, get this, >he is never home most night (get a clue fuck!, heck, I bet >she already knows, but somehow in some masochistic way, >she likes getting left home while BF playboy is out fucking >other chicks!)., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. and, she says she can't decide what to do!

she TRIED to get more of his time by moving him in with her. now she pays onlyhalf the rent (then again, he probably isn't paying ANY rent) and she STILLdoesn't have any more control in her relationship... all she really did is fuckherself up as far as bringing other men home :)>This guys, is earthshattering material. I would have never >known that you could do so much shit to a chick, and still >have her madly in love with you, Order Clonazepam no prescription, to take.EVEN MORE >SHIT. Fucking incredible..! Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, if the chick wants you, you can do ANYTHING to her or in front of her and shewill accept it and love you still. it's all in the setup though. if youdeclare yourself an independent, attractive, appealing MAN and you are notgoing to stop fucking other chicks for her or any other girl, she has twochoices... stay with the "flawed" man that she WANTS FOR HERSELF... or get withother guys that MAY BE JUST AS FLAWED but have NO TRACK RECORD and NOREFERENCES.

think about it.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. even though he is fucking all these other girls, he isprobably the MOST CONSISTANT lay she has ever had. when she needs that orgasm,he gives it to her how she likes it. GAME OVER.
>Its like the more this guy abuses her (not physically), the >more she takes even more!

I think her "control" remark says it all. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she likes to be controlled and thereis no better way to feel controlled than to have things happen to you or infront of you that you don't like, but can't stop. This chick is every man'sdream :) beautiful and subservient.
>It also means that Maniac will get much more GM in style, >and much more blatent with chicks when around chicks. I >will see what happens and report, order Clonazepam online c.o.d. Not be an asshole like>this guy (though being an asshole seems to get good chicks>because she is fucking AWESOME).

there is a difference between acting on your appeal to women and being anasshole. fucking other chicks and asking your "girlfriend" to get involved init is NOT being an asshole, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. verbally or physically abusing her IS being anasshole. you can be one without the other, and in a world where guys aretaught to bow down to women, it is refreshing for them to meet a MAN thatfollows his PRIMAL INSTINCTS and wants to fuck her.
>As an aside to this, I told her that I am seeing a chick, (in >fact, she has even seen me with her!), it didn't bother her, >she was after me, and holding hands massages and kino and >all other shit I didn't even start when I was with her. I >would have fucked her RIGHT THERE, had she not been a >club member (which my other GF is also a member of ; >ha!).

learn the lesson. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, don't accept girls that won't accept you fucking othergirls.. or if you have to be sneaky about it, fuck her WELL then change therules of the game. if she wants to continue to see you, Where can i buy cheapest Clonazepam online, she has to accept thatyou are going to be with other chicks AND expect her to get down in 3-ways...
either that or it's over between you... her choice.. she will NEVER choose toleave you if you fucked her RIGHT, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. also, she will come crawling back when sherealizes that now she's dating men that don't give a fuck about her orgasms andare just dumping sperm into her mouth and pussy... she'll be back... ON YOURTERMS.
>Fucking unbelieveable.. I would have never expected chicks >to think like this and act this way.and I thought I had seen Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >a lot.. BTW, this chick is an abosolute hot 10, even by >Japanese standards.top model quality.. so its not like that >she couldn't get another BF to replace this guy in 30 >seconds or something.

she could get a BODY to replace his... but that's not what it's about withgirls :)

they need FEELINGS. figure out her END VALUES, not her MEANS VALUES. It seemslike she gets a feeling from her ATTRACTION to her boyfriend and his CONTROLover her and his APATHY and the fact that she has to WORK to keep him happy orhe will leave her, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. she can't get that combination with just ANY GUY. yes, shecan get another guy ASAP... but she could have done that for the last 2 YEARSnow couldn't she, order Clonazepam. ;)

From mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d Fri Oct 1 00:34:14 1999From: mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: Profile Report. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, Maniac meets the chick logic HB BLITZ.
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In article <19990917.072111.-238765.37.Outfoxx_Le_Foxxxes@juno.com>, OutfoxingThe Foxes writes:>Some Guy Writes:>>From her description, BF playboy is an interesting >character, and a good PUA. Apparently, he will hit on >chicks anywhere, even in front of HB blitz. (I am trying to >find a way I can meet him, so I can go PU with him ;-) ). BF >playboy seems to have a bit of Nathan's GM's friend >attitude, and will go hit on chicks in a restaurant, and then >come back to HB Blitz and remark about how that chick has >good tits, or whatever. He is in their face, and will get >phone numbers and everything, and leave HB Blitz sitting at >the table while he is doing the PUA (and no, she doesn't >leave, she sits and TAKES IT!).>><---------Of course she does, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. She has several possible motives for this.> One is to give him "The Power" and fulfill her conquering fantasy (by>allowing him to conquer her this way).

that's what I said... she admitted she likes a man to be in control of her.
she didn's say she likes a man to be in love with her. Online buying Clonazepam, two different things. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, I think the guy is attractive enough that he doesn't need her and doesn't needto treat her like a prize because she isn't because he can get more of herEVERY DAY. he is her conqueror and she is his SLUT and that's all there is toit :) back to the caveman days.
>Another is to piss off guys like>you by making you wonder why she's with him and not you; still another is>to draw attention to herself because if she didn't have problems, why>would anyone pay attention to her with such intensity. (sex, but what>else?). Finally, she may get off on pitting other men against her>boyfriend. Given all this, one word applies: P-I-V-O-T, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. Here you have>a gorgeous ornament which is absolutely useless to you,

I completely disagree here. according to this report, she NEVER said she wasfaithful to her BF. I don't think she wants to be either. matter of fact, itwould be part of her CONTROL GAME to fuck Maniac and try to hide it from herboyfriend. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, I think Maniac could have fucked her right there in the club sinceshe is used to being treated like a SLUT (notice the correct usage of the wordhere as a WENCH or a HARLOT that is only there for a man's PHYSICAL PLEASUREand is only valued for her FUCKING and SUCKING expertise and nobody cares whatshe thinks about it and she has relinquished all control over her body toanother) She will be a SLUT for maniac as she is for her boyfriend. she likesthat feeling of being TAKEN.

she is not USELESS to him sexually... however, the risk is HIGH that he isgoing to get BLUTOed and that though their relationship is strange according toManiac's idea of a relationship, buy no prescription Clonazepam online, a double-standard may be in effect were she isnot allowed to fuck around AT ALL and her boyfriend is.
>but whom you can>use to lure other Foxes, and which serves as a Straw Fox, because>anything you say which is negative about women can be routed through her>and her dysfunctional relationship. Using her as a pivot short-circuits>this tactic, and telling her you are doing this might provoke her into>chasing you because you were smart enough to avoid the problems she gives>you while using her to your advantage.

this is absolutely true, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. telling her that you don't want sex with her, but toUSE HER to lure other chicks will make her WANT to be TAKEN by you. see howmuch treating her like she is worthless got her boyfriend. let her know she ishot... BUT... Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, you can't fuck her because of XYZ so you will just remain friendsand she can help you get other chicks.
>And, the killer!.she then told me, it was for reasons like this.that she>somehow LIKED HIM!. I asked her to explain, and she couldn't. My>impression is that she likes an >attractice man she cannot control, and this has to be the ultimate>example of that. She also remarked she likes the man to be in control, Where can i order Clonazepam without prescription, >and lead her.>><--------She sees him as smart enough to treat her as she deserves to be>treated. This is a no-brainer.

simple, but important, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. one of my wings doubted my techniques. I would tellhim weekly, if not daily of how I attracted women by being who I am and hedidn't want to listen. he got deep into supplication with this HB to the pointof being a "girlfriend" to her. he was frustrated and mad... Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, THEN he decidedto take my advice and go hardcore on her. in ONE CONVERSATION lasting twohours he found out that this chick that he had PREVIOUSLY labeled a "tease" isa REGULAR at ANAL SEX and LIKES to look up into a guy's eyes when she's on herknees sucking his dick. He called me the next day all amazed and praising mehahaha. he FINALLY saw the light about his months of SUPPLICATION. he hadbought her stuff and taken her places... I asked him what that was a REWARDFOR.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. FOR HER LOOKING GOOD. what did she do for him to deserve what he wasdoing for her. he saw CLEARLY that he gave away ANY power he had in therelationship by doing stuff for her with no reason.

There is definitely a way a woman deserves to be treated. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, it depends on whoshe is willing to be for you. if you overdo it and a woman does NOTHING foryou and you buy her stuff and take her places... why SHOULD she do ANYTHING foryou. she gets gifts for NOTHING... she can work hard at getting some OTHER GUYto give her stuff... like that incident that I am still laughing at wheresomeone on the NG drove some chicks to a bar and the chicks ditched themimmediately :) hahahaha the girls KNEW they had the guys that drove themthere in their back pocket.., Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. on to the next challenge. :)>It also means that Maniac will get much more GM in style, >and much more blatent with chicks when around chicks. I will see what>happens and report. Not be an asshole like this guy (though being an>asshole seems to get good chicks because she is fucking AWESOME).>><-----The more you become like GM, the more you are going to implode>towards Foxes like this one. This will corrupt your overall view of Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >women to where you think they are all like this. That doesn't mean that>GM methods (dirty talking is what they used to call it) are necessarily>bad; obviously a number of women like this type of sexual communication. >However, getting her gets you no prize; I'm sure she has the>confrontation scenario already worked out in her head, and if there is no>confrontation, you can be assured that one day you'll be the awful>boyfriend that she one day complains about to others.

getting her gets him no prize anyway even if there is no FIGHT. this chick isan empty-netter. yes she is an HB, but what she REQUIRES from a man is tocontrol her, Buy Clonazepam No Prescription. not looks, not sweetness, not monogamy, not cuddling, notrespect... NOTHING BUT CONTROL. she likes that feeling of being submissive andhaving things happen to her that are out of her control. she would do well inthose nanpa videos you guys love so much :) I can see her getting fucked in analley by four chinese with video cameras and liking it a lot :)>She is REQUIRING men to act like jerks to get her into bed because at ANY>point down the road she can isolate their behavior and turn others>against them. That's the price a man pays for going after a Fox like Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, >this. The only way I would get involved with someone like this is with>loads of preemption, and a reminder to her that I know EXACTLY what she>is about.

yeah. the jig is up. let her know that you know who she is. let her get withthe fucking or be your LJBF pivot or be gone. end of story

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In article ,nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD) writes:>| As an aside to this, I told her that I am seeing a chick, (in >| fact, she has even seen me with her!), it didn't bother her, >>If you had told her otherwise she would'nt be interested.>Damn, you elicited her worthless 'values' enough: she values>a man who has plenty of chix, periods.

that's absolutely true. I was dating this chick that had a boyfriend and I waswondering why she didn't dump him, so I changed my tactics (after fucking herof course) from you are ONE of my girlfriends to I want to be just with you andmake YOU happy. she turned IMMEDIATELY cold to me and was no longer interestedin me. Buy Clonazepam No Prescription, she already had that from her boyfriend. what she wanted from me iswho I am... a guy that likes sex and fun. PERIOD. no relationship, noemotions, NOTHING.

you definitely made the right play being that she LIKES guys that have otherchicks besides her :)