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Subject: Evening Report: Ms. Sparkles has coffee and comes over for spaghetti...
opinions/advice guys?
Date:
1999/06/07
Author:
Maniac High
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Evening Report: Ms. Sparkles has coffee and comes over for
spaghetti
Tonight I had a "non supplication date" date with Ms. Sparkles.
Ms. Sparkles was one of the ladies I met last weekend with
Mr. Smooth during our 100 chick hitting night. It was
interesting, a very nice evening, and I tried a lot of new
techniques I learned from the group over the past couple week,
and used a lot more SS than I ever used, but I still was not
able to lay her (this time anyways). Lets look at it, and see
what went right and went wrong.
Again, your constructive comments on the good/bad/ugly
below are most appreciated guys.
Here? the story from start to end with details.
Okay, Ms. Sparkles was one of those chicks sitting in the
stairs of the bar when we went out. She was one of the ones
we took to Ramen that evening. Ms. Sparkles has short hair,
dyed dark brown and black, and sparkles almost when you
look at it. She is 21, and a college student in translation, and a
definite HB (9 or 10). Sparkles was with her friend (Ms.
Lonely), who was not quite as cute as the others, but still very
good, and Ms. Long Dress, who Smooth was hitting on that
evening.
Sparkles took to me right away, and even said that she liked
me that first evening I saw her (this actually concerned me,
because I thought it was too early, and when girls are this easy
to say such things right away, I find that they are much harder
to lay later). Sparkles said that night she liked me because
she liked my way of speaking Japanese was ?nteresting and I
was handsome. That was nice. When I did the approach on her
in the bar, I took her had right away, and it was easy to hold on
to it, she rubbed it a bit, and didn? try to let go or look nervous.
I had gotten her number by the napkin game in the last post,
and called her this Sunday. (I decided from now on to call bar
chicks the next day, since otherwise, I found that they forget
you too easily). We did the kiss on the cheek thing in the
ramen shop, no problem; I tried for a real kiss, under a ?ame
scenario but she wouldn? go for it, always saying ?ext time .I
decide to go for this the next time I see her, as she is starting
to look a bit agitated (see below, when I do call her on this
?romise tonight).
I called her, and she said she was hoping I? call, that was nice.
I followed NYC? advice and made a ?offee date around
7:30pm telling her that I could meet her after I had supper with
coworkers (a lie). For a moment she hestitated, then said okay
(I think she had another commitment, and was trying to figure
out how to cancel it, and not that she wasn? sure she wanted
to see me t was obvious she wanted to see me). We decide
the time and place (a coffee shop near my/her house (we live
really close to each other)).
I go to the coffee shop ahead of time, and work the coffee shop
a bit before she comes to get into the mood. At 7:30, she
shows up, and comes to my table. I get her a coffee and she
offers to pay (good sign..compared to HB hotpants), I tell her
she can get the next round (thanks NYC for how to work this).
That works well, I don?
supplicate.. We go sit down, and start talking. I had prepared a
lot of SS so now is my chance to use it.
First I start with her job. My goal here is to find something she
is passionate about, and then get her to talk about that feeling,
and then later move the conversation on to passion and
relationships. Generally, this worked very well.
So first off to do this, I ask her what she does (turns out she is
awaitress in the Shibuya restaurant area). She writes down her
schedule, and then a map of how to get to her restaurant. (I
thought this was coming on a bit strong, this made me a little
nervous hen they are too anxious like this, I find big walls go
up later, and you can? lay them hich is what happened
tonight). There is not much passionate about waitressing, so I
move on to hobbies. She said that she likes listening to music,
and going out with her friends, and that she was a drummer in
a band in high school. I pick up on the drummer bit, and modify
my ?ance pattern to this, talking about how she can feel
passion when she performing a song, and can feel the energy
and passion of the beat and atmosphere in her mind and her
body, and how it felt so good. She says ?eah and I get the
doggie dinner
look..very good.
We talk bit about her travels (I need this for later tonight?
patterns), and what is important to her in life (core values). I
find out she really likes discovering new things, and new
challenges, and growing as a person (I use this later on in the
evening).
I ask her what she found interesting about me (I want to know
this so I can hook up these characteristics with the passion
feeling a little later). She tells me I was gentle, interesting,
good looking,
humourous and funny (That is okay, I guess).
I then ask her has she ever felt passion in a relationship, and
what that could be like. Then She starts talking about her BF (I
didn? know she had one, cuz she sure didn? mention it on
Saturday), and how much she loves him (uh oh, I just hit a
mine). As soon as I can get her to quit talking about it after that
sentence, I try a BF destroyer pattern on her to neutralize this.
I talk about how a relationship can be half good, but somehow
you feel something missing, and she says ?eah I tell her how
sometimes you want some new excitement in your life that?
different from what you usually get, and she says yeah. So far
this is going well. I go on to talk about maybe how what you
have now might be getting uninteresting, and you are looking
for something better, more exciting and if she sometimes feels
that and she says yeah.
I don? know the whole BF destroyer pattern, so I stopped
there, and went on to asking her, what her ideal relationship
would be like (the feelings, and not her BF). I found that this
chick was easy to trance like this, even later in the evening.
You could see her visualizing as I was talking.
After that, I followed a routine much like I did with Miss Kinky
last week. Talking about how sometimes she somehow felt
alone (her BF is in another city for 2 weeks now), and she that
she sometimes feels
alone/lonely. I describe those feelings to her, and then I talk
about how it would be nice to have those ?lone feelings go
away when something new and surprising happens in her life,
like meeting someone new you didn? expect.. She goes yeah,
and the doggie look again. I run the fascination/IC pattern, and
then describe a state where she were to meet someone by
surprise, or one evening, and how as she listened to that
person, she felt closer and really wanted to get to know that
person more. Still doggie dinner look..good.
I then start talking about an old GF I had, and describe the
whole process (mostly made up), of how we met, and
magically got closer as we talked to each other over coffee one
evening, and went for a walk, and felt a growing connection. I
talked about about how we could discover new things about
each other and culture (that chick was french), and how by
getting really close to someone from another culture, you could
expand your understanding of yourself (all her BF? up to now
were Japanese), {I am building on the values she told me
before now, trying to link them to an outcome I want}. This is
going well.
I am being careful to steer clear of anything that could bring up
the BF, so I am watching my ?ave you evers as I don? want
another BF story to come up. Rather I stick to ?f you
could ?hat would it be like if as I run my SS and patterns and
stuff.
I go back to the evening we met, and make her recollect those
feelings (BTW, NYC I think suggested the good cop /bad cop
thing..I can? remember I did actually do the ?ood cop bad
cop thing with her that night, when Smooth was doing all the
BJ gestures, and lets go home and fuck ctually it worked really
well, we will do this again..I also said that I like Mr. Smooth,
because he is always funny like this and makes me laugh t
was good, we got a good result from the girls, and they relaxed
and went along with it. Ms. Long Dress BTW, I found out also
has BF (the chick Smooth was hitting on).
After I get the good feelings of Ms. Sparkles remembering the
weekend with us, I ask her to imagine why she liked us, and
get her thinking about my voice and how it was somehow
seductive; she says yeah, it was funny how she did feel that.
That is good.
(Around then, Sparkles buys the next round of coffee. That is
nice, so this date then cost me $0.00, and I didn? supplicate at
all this time hanks guys!).
We drink, and we talk a little bit about her trip to China, and I
link this again, to the wonderful feelings of discovering new
things and excitement, and how its different from the usual day
routine. I link this to how it is like meeting someone new, and
finding similar values but new perspective, and how that is
wonderful..blah blah..
I describe more about how a guy from a different culture can
understand you in new ways, and talk about cultural
differences. I do a hold hand and ?rench kiss to the
hand action as an example, she doesn? resist at all, and I get
to keep her hand. Soon after, I let go the hand, and take it back
now and then as I talk, like I did with Ms. Kinky last week in the
restaurant o resistance. Thats good.
I move on to a massage pattern (I talked about how a guy can
seduce you, and know all about your stresses and ways to
make you relax, then I touched her shoulder and start
massaging and say how it is like a guy who knows how to give
a really good massage blah RJ massage pattern .
We talk more, and I run more patterns, and I am holding her
hand(s) a lot at this point. No resistance. Thats good.. Then
around now, she says she is hungry, and didn? eat (uh oh
supplication test but I know how to handle this now after last
week? fuckup, so rather than offer to buy her something I offer
that we go to my house and eat spaghetti and talk some more).
She smiles, and says she? love to.
We leave the coffee shop, still holding hands, And I keep
running the same sorts of patterns as above, describing
various instances of meeting someone, getting closer by
surprise. I talk to her about my like of astronomy, and how it is
romantic to look at the stars and see things, and how it is nice
to do that with a special person you
recently met..blah blah she seems to be taking this all in.. very
good. All along, I am touching her back, when talking,
shoulders, while holding her hand t is fine..
Then something strange happens.. Her BF (I think it was her
BF.. it was a guy, and it sounded like a BF from the
conversation) calls her on her cellphone (everyone has one
here in Tokyo). She talks to him, but it is a little cold, but polite.
I take it as a good sign. She let go my hand to hold the phone.
She gets rid of him, and then
immediately takes my hand again on her own volition. That is a
very good sign BR>
We get home, I show her around, I put on nice romantic music,
and we start preparing the spaghetti. The lights a little dim, a
very
pleasant ambience..I prepared the house in case I thought she
might be coming tonight.
I suggest that we try a candle light evening (as I talked about it
at the coffee shop about those nice romantic experiences) as
we
mentionned before (it was a setup ;-) ), and she says it would
be nice. She seems a tiny bit unease at the beginning of the
dinner, but I run more of the same patterns as above, and
elaborate on my college french GF story and how we got
closer, and how she taught me about romance, and
communicating in more ways than just words. We talked about
values, and differences in culture,
and how by getting really close to someone from a different
culture, it was such a new feeling and how one could grow so
much inside (this is one of her core values), and how it was
such a positive experience (another core value).
She was taking all this in..doggie dinner look. Very good Then
I ask her what she would like to be 5 years from now (I want to
find her goals, and align them with mine, when I tell her my
story later, so I ask this). And then the next bomb. She tells me
that she is really in love with her BF, and she wants to marry
him! (oops; Maniac hits another mine!). She starts babbling
about how what a wonderful guy her BF is, how he is no nice
and and lots of blah blah.
I try to get her to stop as soon as I can, and I say how life is
funny, that how sometimes it is like surprise and it is strange
how sometimes you can meet someone new, and everything
can change to something you dont expect, but which is even
more wonderful. I then ask her if she ever thought about living
abroad in her future. She says yes, and the doggie dinner look
returns. That is good. I start talking more about how I ended up
in Japan, and give some stories about how my life really
changed for the better in ways by surprise even though I didn?
plan (I am trying to neutralize her BF stuff here, by saying this).
It seems okay, and I am getting the doggie look again..
[Now around here, is where I think I had things not go as well
as I had to regarding my setup. I think I got the connection, but
am having trouble getting the ?hysical pleasure patterns
working well, to get her wet and horny. I could tell she liked
me, but I wasn? getting the ?ust out. When I was with Ms.
Kinky, I got this out, but not with Sparkles. How can I fix this
guys? What should I do here? ].
We finish spaghetti, and talk some more, on these same points
about connecting with new people, and getting closer to them
(maybe I should have talked about falling in love?), and she
starts talking about having to go home to stufy for an exam the
next day (BS I am sure). I think quickly, and I remember she
trances easily, so I tell her to look into the candle, and imagine
what she sees, how it is like a crystal ball, and can be full of
wonderful surprises you don? expect. At the same time, I go
behind her, touch her shoulders, and start massaging. I do
another massage pattern varient. She gets into it, that is good.
I get her to close her eyes, and visualize being at ease, and
relaxing completely, and feeling my touches, and how it feels
so good [I think here, I should have connected to more sexual
stuff, to setup the next step, but I didn? really know what to
do dvice guys?.. I think here is where I lost the lay.. opinions?
How would I do it different next time.] I thought about kissing
her back a bit, but she was still a bit uneasy since the ? love
my BF bit before, thought she was trancing a bit with the
candle and all that.
I need to get closer to her (physically) as she is still sitting in
the chair at the dinner table, and it is hard to do the massage,
so I tell her, hey look at this, lets try this, and I take the candles
to the living room, and have her lie down on the couch, and put
the candles on the table in front of her. I tell her to look at the
candles, and see how it is interesting as she is looking at the
flames, that as I describe things, she can picture it so clearly.
She says ?eah as I describe a romantic walk on the beach at
an evening sunset.
Then I start talking about how her body feels, and start running
the RJ beach pattern (chest goes up and down t is good, and I
ask her how it feels, and she says it feels really good. And then
something funny happens he says she? cold, and goes out of
trance. (ie. Cold, in the room, not in her trance vision on the
beach). Then she says she has to get up and go to the
bathroom; so I get off of her, and she goes.
Out of the bathroom, she says she really has to go, and is
looking a little nervous. I talk about how it was a really nice
evening, and enjoyed having her over for such an interesting
discussion. Then she says somethign worrying, about how it is
nice to make freinds from lots of different countries (uh oh, the
?riend word). I try to neutralize this, and talk about how
sometimes you can start to get really close, even if you dont
expect it. She says yes, and the smile returns. I talk about how
it is nice to meet someone, and feel
relaxed, and getting closer when getting new experiences that
are really nice, and she says yeah, and the doggie look returns
again, sort of.. That is good.. but she is gesturing to her stuff,
and the doggie look leaves.
At the door, (I don? want her to leave), I again say how it is
nice she came, and how it was suprisingly a nice experience
even though I didn? expect her to come. Here I try to kiss her,
and I get
resistance. That is okay, but it is different from Ms. Kinky?
resistance last week. Ms. Sparkles is not into this at all, an
there is no erotic look at all when she resists. This is a definate
?o not a ?o means yes kind of look.
I suspect that I haven? neutralized all the BF feelings yet.
Because I know she likes me, she holds my hand, lets me
touch her, but I hit a wall here (as often happens with me with
chicks that are easy at the start like this).. guys, how do I get
around this? I get her on the cheek for now, and I will try again,
once we get outside.
My area is residential, and dark, so I walk with her back. She is
looking a bit nervous now (guys, why is she nervous; what did I
do wrong?), so I remind her about the couch and the candles
and how it might have been a new experience for her. She said
it was, that
although it felt strange, it was somehow really good (this was
the first time I try to take a chick into trance like this). That is
good. She looks more relaxed again, and we are holding
hands. I try rubbing her hand lightly as we walk, and don? get
a reaction except when I make her laugh.. when she laughts,
she will rub my hand for a few seconds afterwards..that was
interesting. I suggest that next time we meet she can make me
supper. She says ?eah but in a half happy/half hesitating look.
Not all bad, but not all good either..
She lives on the other side of the train station, and we get to
near a lit area. At this point, I try to kiss her again, and I get
more resistance. I joke to her about the promise she made the
last time (a real kiss the next time we meet), and that this was
the next time; but she gets really nervous looking. I joke about
her having to keep her promise, and she gets agitated looking,
a little. I joke that she said she is a good girl, and good girls
keep their promises.. She replies that she is abad girl them,
and she won? kiss me. Her look was
agitated. I stop pressing her, and say thank you for a very nice
evening.
I had thought about walking her all the way back to her place,
but I think this might be supplicating (why should I walk her all
the way back to her place if she wont even kiss me?). Maybe
she would have kissed me if I went all the way over; but I don?
think so. I might have been able to try some more SS on the
way, and get her feeling to change, but I am not sure what to
try..I spent my whole SS load on her this evening and was out
of new stuff to say opinions here on what to do/what I did
wrong?
When I get home, I call her to see if she got home allright
(actually, I really wanted to know her voice tonality when I
called, which is why I called, the intention isn? supplicating). At
that point, her voice was still nervous somehow, and she
wanted to get rid of me off the phone sounding. The
conversation ended, and then I wrote up this report.
So; summary. I did a lot of new SS stuff. That is good, I am
happy. I also didn? lose my cool/composure/confidence when I
hit the BF
obstacle. That is good, though I don? think I neutralized this
completely. This chick did like me, but I wasn? able to give her
a good excuse to fuck me and fuck over her BF. How would I
do this next time? Also, how do I neutralize this, and get her
horny, so I could kiss her without the bad reaction, and get
more physical on her. Probably my setups earlier on were
fucked up. I was good on
connecting, but didn? get the sexual accelerators going ow do I
do this guys? Ie. Phrases and contexts would be helpful..
please be specific, like I write these reports; is most helpful.
Also, I find that (my experience), chicks that are really easy
early on, are really hard when it gets close to fuck them ow do
you disarm this? This chick was on to me right away in the bar,
and that is always a danger sign that it will be hard (for me) to
fuck them later. Clues anyone on what I did wrong? Or are
these chicks just really difficult.
Finally, the trance work I did seemed generally effective, it all
seemed to go well, and I could get her in and out fairly
consistantly. That was cool. And so was the SS practice, I just
kept hitting her with patterns, and varients, and kept talking (or
had her talking), all the time. I was much more focussed this
time, and not letting the conversation wander all over. That
was good. Also, I didn? spend a dime on this chick., and got
much farther with her than HB Hotpants. There was no
supplication, (and she respected me the whole way
though). That is also awesome From now on, all dates I do will
be structured this way (thanks NYC, and others for your
extremely helpful suggestions after my HB hotpants disaster!).
Still, though, I got the bad reaction at the end, and couldn?
shag her, so I need to improve on somethings I think. I will
probably call her in a week, remind her/describe the nice talk
and time we had, get her back into a good state, and ask her
over again for supper and see what happens (hopefully by
then, I will have learned what I did wrong this time, and learned
some sexual accelators and whatever else I screwed up to do
it better the next time).
Opinions guys? okay rip it apart (in a constructive way ;-) ). !!
All comments welcome!
Maniac High
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