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From riobaan@hotmail.com Sun Oct  8 01:58:58 2000Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fastSubject: Re: HB Small Mouth PU - PersistanceLines: 245
Tokyo PUA,This is a damn wicked report - this is cool shit. Not only that, but it'sgiven me clues as to where my approaches have been fucking up recently - ANDgiven me a few other insights and refreshed my memory about shit that Ilearnt with my current LTR (funny how too much sex makes you sloppy)
My comments follow:
I did a PU on a 19year old HB college student in the train the other night and got her homephone number.  It was easy cause she was reading Tokyo Classified, Buy Bactrim online no prescription, and Iasked her about it. I was really confident, and in only 2 stops got her toreally dig me.  In fact, when I asked her why she had studied English, shesaid "So I could meet a guy like you!"  The only problem is finding time tomeet her again before I leave, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.
Rio -> If that isn't a clear signal for an eventual fuck I don't know whatis.
The PU I did on HB Small Mouth was not planned either, I just saw herwalking back home around my place at midnight, and somehow knew that despitemy frazled appearance after 2 hours of Jujitsu practice and carrying 40pounds of luggage, Bactrim over the counter, I could do the PU on her.  My opening line was "I likeyour hair" which I knew was lame and she must have heard often, but hey,thats the price of using the 3 second rule sometimes.
Rio -> I still think it was OK.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, This is a shy chick I take it.  Purchase Bactrim online no prescription, Had it been a10 I don't think you could have got away with this. What it did wasIMMEDIATELY suggest to her that you are doing a pickup. Since she was shy -her immediate reaction is to be scared, but at the same time excited. Here Ithink she will shut down and let you do the PU - If her inital reactiondoesn't put you off (which it didn't). My problem is that I have been putoff by this in the past and let my game fall to bits, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.
Right near my house in a dark alley at midnight on her way home.  She toldme later (post lay) that she was scared at first, where can i find Bactrim online, but I had a really relaxedattitude so she got comfortable with me afterwards.
Rio -> Initially she knew where you were doing a PU, and she threw controlsover to you. Here your persistance paid off.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Her shutting down didn'tdistract you.
 Been out there a lot since last February, Buy Bactrim online cod, maybe 10 times or so.  I guesspredominantly I go with a wing, but sometimes felt it screwed up my game.

Of course, my wings didnt know anything about seduction a la ASF, thatsprobably why.  Of course, Bactrim from canadian pharmacy, neither did I till June... I know Im much betterat street PU when alone though, thats for sure, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.  OTOH, when I went out toclubs with you and Rio, I think my game was really improved and I waslearning all the time.
Rio -> I think wings are great to motive you and help psyche you up.  Buy Bactrim from mexico, And ifthey know what they are doing they can handle shit, blocking chicks, andtake an educated critical perspective that we missed ourselves during a PU.

But yeah, sometimes wings get in the way if they don't know what they aredoing.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Going with you, TPUA, is cool.

For example -> I started a PU on two chicks in a bar and I told noticed thatthe body language of the chicks was contradictory - so TPUA suggested we doa takeaway (plus he didn't like the chicks either) so he suggested we bail.

Turned out to be a good move considering the chicks turned out to be femaleplayers as we found out later (maybe I can develop some rapport on that fornext time......., australia, uk, us, usa, canada, mexico, india, craiglist, ebay, paypal.  nah).

Anyway I scored a free bean cake.
BTW, I have heard that someplace called club Earth near hamamatucho hasreally hot babes, (bitch shield too, but who cares, right;-), so you guysmight want to check that out, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.  3000 Yen cover charge.  May be the newalternative to Fura.
Rio-> Throw any bitch my way.  Online buy Bactrim without a prescription, Shy girls are perhaps too easy (and not goodin bed either until trained).  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, PU of HB Small:  happened in a dark alley shortcut to my house at midnight,I approached carrying a 30 pound backpack on one shoulder and a 10 poundbucket of protein powder in the other, and said, Excuse me, your hair isreally beautiful.  She reacted favorably and said thanks, but keptwalking, slightly faster.
Rio - > In fact, just saying "hi" gets an immediate smile with shy chicks -and then all of a sudden the chick starts looking down at herself alluncomfortable. I have done enough C&B now on shy chicks to predict thisreaction, order Bactrim. Actually I got out again last night and bet my friend 100 yen thatall I had to do is say "hi" and then not follow it up with anything for herto smile and then go awry and not follow up with anything - not even a "hi"back. She looked like a shy chick just from looking at her, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. I won the bettoo.

Thing is, she was sitting around waiting for someone to talk to her, causeshe left quickly after one drink.  Bactrim price, She must have been pissed I didn't botherto try anything (she wasn't that good looking - shit I'm too picky)Point proven.
She seemed young, so I asked if she was astudent.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, She said no, I asked what she does.  She said she works for acable company, I fluff talked about watching TV.  She asked what I do.  Isaid I know its late but you should have coffee or tea with me at Jonathansrestaurant nearby, buy Bactrim no prescription.  She said no, so I said, OK, how do we meet again.  Shesaid give me your number and I said, Ah, but I know women, if I give youmy number you will get nervous and never call, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.  She said No, Online buying Bactrim, that wonthappen I promise.  I knew I didn't have enough rapport or anything tobelieve that, so really what I was just doing was stalling till I could setup a firm date.
Rio - > How you handled this after was good shit. This kind of negativereaction has been putting me off my approaches recently and staling me out.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, It was like when doing my LTR - I had to be persistant trying to fuckher..... like.. take the hands away and try again a little later, buy generic Bactrim. I feelthis is exactly the same kind of thing here too except in the inital stagesof the PU. You were persistant and that's why you kept shit going. She shutdown and let you do the PU after the hair comment, so it was all up to youto handle things - including her resistance, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.

She did show some interest in that she actually asked you something - sothat would have been some encouragement to keep going.
I got a pen and wrote my number and at this point we are standing on thecorner near my place.  I play on Japanese cuteness and write my name withhearts by it.  Buy cheapest Bactrim, (None of this is stuff I would be able to do in the US.)
Rio - > But shy chicks love it.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, This is as subtle as they want to know thatyou aren't going to go into LJBF. Shit, some of them have the nerve to askif you have a girlfriend. If that isn't a giveaway to let us do the workuntil the end - I don't know what is. Being this blatant is good enough forthem.
Then I say, OK, where can i buy cheapest Bactrim online, when are we going to meet.  Its sort of a way to pace theongoing reality now that she has my number,its a logical extension, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.  Thenumber is just a formality to me, I want to set up the date.  After somenegotiation, I get a date set up for 6 PM Tuesday, Order Bactrim no prescription, her day off.  I had givenher alternatives between my place and eating in Tachikawa nearby (but bothalready had the presuppostion that we are meeting for a date, so I don'tcare which she chooses).
Rio -> Again, just getting to the point here and you aren't even phased thatshe rejected Johnathan's the first time to try again.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Maybe she just doesn'tlike Johnathan's.

All the presuppostitions helped well to gently FORCE her into an encounter -so to recap again:- she has given control to you in PU - you have nowhandled her resistance for her.
Anyway, order Bactrim from mexican pharmacy, we keep talking.  I get that she never has met a foreigner, that shelikes Richard Gere, cause he is Shibui. (=quiet, Rx free Bactrim, simple, sober,tasteful, austere, parsimonious, etc.)  I asked her about her ideal manwhile doing the (SP) thing.  She really accessed a lot and I was awakeningher creative centers, Buy Bactrim No Prescription.
Rio - > And the cool thing is that you can get away with being direct aboutideal guys cause she is the one in the passive position because of hershyness, order Bactrim online c.o.d. It's all up to you to do the work, the patterning, thetransitioning. She isn't going to do crap from now on......
 I touched her a lot on the arm to anchor the goodfeelings.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, She said she really was too ideal, but that her ideal guy waslike her father, sweet and nice.  Where can i order Bactrim without prescription, I asked if she wanted a guy who made herfeel safe, and she said yes.  I compared our hand sizes and got kino,remarked at how small her hands were, that my big hands could protect her.
Rio - > And you could have said "...and you know what they say about guyswho have big hands!"..... just kidding, Bactrim for sale. ;P Just my GM out of control...., Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Iwouldn't have said that to a shy chick....
Complemented her smile and said that it seems like her eyes smile too andshe said that she is often told that.  She said I was skillful atcomplementing and I said that I really meant it.
Rio - > These shy girls really enjoy complements - whereas we're told toavoid them in most situations.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, They love anything romanitc - and she knewbeforehand that she was in for a proper seduction.
I mirrored her body positions a lot and this seemed to have a good effect.  Buy cheap Bactrim no rx, She seemed really into it and wasn't trying too hard to get away despite itbeing after midnight and having to work the next day, only bringing up thetime when I did.  She was rubbing her earlobe, and later playing with herponytail in a really sexy way, all with the doggy dinner bowl look.

I also showed kanji ability and had her write her name, and demonstrated howwe could study English together, buy Bactrim without a prescription, all using the Zaurus.  (BTW, Did you buyone yet, Maniac, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. A useful tool in many ways.  You can turn it into aportable digital photo album too, albeit poor quality...) She liked that.
Rio - > Nice entertainment routine.  Buy no prescription Bactrim online, At one point she asked what was in the bucket, I said protein powder and shesaid nomitai.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, and I said 5 fun dake areba, nomeru yo.(If you have 5minutes I can give you a taste).
Rio - > Oh, you are IN with that "nomitai!" comment......
But she refused to go to my apartment andI didn't press the issue, I just reconfirmed our fun date on Tuesday, andgave her a kiss goodnight, Bactrim samples, then took off.
Rio - >........but she still needs her resistance controlled, and probablythe mental preparation for the fuck after a night out like that.
Ok now a few more personal discoveries from me (I think I'm writing this toget my ideas out of my head to consolidate them for my own personalbenefit - cause I'm not up there with you guys quite yet)
I have heard that SS patterns are no magic bullet, but my best seductionsare not when I've tried patterning per se, Bactrim pharmacy, but spoke to the chick as if Iwas doing a presentation in front of a live audience. Sounds strange, but Ihave so much confidence when I frame it like that, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Everything comes outnaturally, and yet powerfully.
In fact, I hate that comment that "Patterns are not magic bullets". If weavoid using patterns, and avoid talking persuasively, buy Bactrim in canada, and avoid even TRYING,then we are fighting without a possible weapon that MAY be effective.

Perhaps patterns are not MAGIC bullets, but they are STILL bullets.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Maybewhere patterns have failed is when a PUA has failed some basic PUA rules -in which case the patterns look pussy cause he is a still supplicating wussywith no balls, and/or letting his game fall apart.
Perhaps you don't need the NLP as much, Purchase Bactrim online, but being able to talk aboutsomething passionately that I like is what boosts my confidence and anyself-designed pattern I pull after that flows natural.
Next point :- Persistance. I've been thinking about this all day. Like thechick in the bar last night, and the shy chick I worked on on Saturday. Iforgot a basic rule - men lead, women follow, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Thing is, unlike women backhome, where can i buy Bactrim online, J-girls generally do NOT help you out in the slightest to helping youroot them. Times I have got laid is where persistance paid off. Just readingTokyoPUA's report reminded me of that. My approaches fucked it when Istarted the conversation, tested for interest, and when I got a big fat zeroresponse - I lamed out and bailed.  Buy Bactrim No Prescription, Then I remember what my LTR said about how she got attracted to me - and itwasn't at first sight. She was attracted to my persistance - and my boldnessto just kiss her and control her afterwards. Then reading yaritai's postabout the chick who crossed her arms for the whole date until he dropped the"I want to kiss you" line. This kind of shit. I have seen it a lot now.  Myfriend and I had an interesting discussion last night at the bar anyway, Buy Bactrim No Prescription. Heis a really good speaker, doesn't know patterns, but he speaks to me like heis giving a speech to an audience. He was saying that the depth of arelationship is based on how much shit we will put up with and deal withfrom the other person, and still love them.
Chicks want that kind of deep connection, thus the shit. But if we don'tcall it, and persist trying to bang them - shit goes nowhere.
Now the contradiction and my question : -  How far do we go with ourpersistance, but at the same time not come off as being horny and desperate,or at least some kind of stalker - and yet still maintain the attitude of "Idon't need you, you need me"
Something to consider.
Comments gentlemen?

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