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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep  5 22:05:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Thoughts on Grand Master
Date: 27 Aug 1999 12:12:11 GMT
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Hm trying to recollect what I forgot to mention in my
earlier post.

He makes it clear right away that he wants sex. 
He explained it to me. He does not really understand
what is going on, me thinks.

He does not compliment.

I explained him the concept of neg hit; he disagreed ...
YET HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME. Well, it's not NEGs, it's more
like 'vannes' as I explained once, that's to say, taking
the piss on her. So he fuct that german yesterday, and
before that, made a few (light) jokes about germans,
then 'apologized' by hugging/kissing her.

He takes every opportunity to go kino. I've already mentioned
that.

He claims that he does not act the same with every woman.
I asked him about some place that's packed with model-types
full-bitch-shielded types, how do you handle that I asked,
and he said, "You don't get it, you don't do the same thing
there, I'll explain you later <tap on the back>"

He asks boring question, name, job, then joke on it, and
when I say JOKE, I mean FUCKING LAME jokes. 

To a german: "you speak german really well!"
To a japanese: "you speak japanese really well!"
To an italian: "you speak italian really well!"

Original, heh? And on top of that he said it several times
to the same girl. "You really speak german well! LOL <hug>".




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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep  5 21:48:25 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: LAY REPORT: GRAND MASTER FLASH
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:35:52 +0200
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Fuck.


So I met the Grand Master tonight. For the first time we had a real 
conversation ... and went PU as wingmen. Shit, I did'nt hear his 
openings. He first engages those two UGs. As per already reported, he 
does plenty of dirty jokes. He does'nt give a fuck.

"I'm worried cause I'm going to the Hospital tomorrow. <pause> (Really? 
Why?) I'm gonna have surgery <pause> (Err ... what's wrong?) Well ... 
<pause> mine's too long [gesture] and I have to have it cut down 
LOTFL!!!"

[putting his arms around both of them] "So what's it like to be with 
such a beautiful bloke tonite? LOL!"

Stuff like that for like, 20 minutes.

The UGs go along pretty well at first, then get attitude and diss us. We 
claim it's my birthday, so let's have champagne at my place (I live 
round the corner). One of them seems ok with it. The other definitely 
won't. He keeps insisting, BUT without supplication. "What? You have the 
opportunity to be with two incredibly good looking guys and that's what 
you do? I can't believe it! LOL"


Plenty, I mean, plenty of shameless kino action (butt, legs, hair, 
arms).

We don't get nowhere, so he wants to teach them a lesson: he approaches 
another 2-set. Slightly better looking, well quite fuckable actually. 
One of them, Spanish, seems rather reluctant to his sexual innuendo, I 
would have stopped right away personally, BUT he persists. Some of the 
same stuff. They don't want to come with us, they have an appointment. 
He Smoothes: "So where's your appointment? -- at X -- Ok, let's go!" And 
we go. Passing by the UGs, he shows them that we score. They're pissed 
off!


Go to the meeting point. Talk with stupid japanese tourists, I speak a 
little japanese with them, we make fun of them, take pics, I try to kiss 
the german chick. She's reluctant. 


They have to go call their friends. At that point, we think that they 
won't come back. Well too bad. Err no! They come back. So what are your 
friends doing? They're not coming! Ok, let's have some champagne.


Apparently, they did'nt understand that it was at my place. When we're 
about to enter the building, they're REALLY reluctant. Hey, let's just 
have some champagne at my place and we'll go out somewhere afterwards 
(big lie, everything's gonna close soon). He insists, still absolutely 
non supplicatingly. They finally agree, BUT only for a short time -- 
yeah right.


At my place, champagne, fluff talk. At my place, I launch the computer 
and the pic viewing program. We see pics of both of us with plenty of 
girls. Then he talks shamelessly (to me, not to them, as if he's NOT 
trying to impress them) about all the girls he meets. How barmen in bars 
around here are REALLY jealous. He goes on an ego trip for 20 mins. He 
used not to like me (as I reported) but finds that we have a connection 
(no, really?). 


"Let's talk about something else, that convos' boring, he says, ... sex 
for example" 


I do some minor patterning and applied NLP. For instance, I say to the 
Italian chick "When he says DICK you should not think about SEX. I don't 
want you to make a picture in your mind of a PENIS" He laughs. 



All the time, this has been really light, no stalling, he does not 
really try to get their attention, he restarts conversation with some 
light joke, well HEAVY joke about sex. The UGs were laughing all the 
time, these ones were just smiling but still ...


He goes into heavy kino with the german. He tells me, quickly, "faut 
qu't'ai les mains balladeuses" -- IOW, get kino, stoopid! In front of 
them. Not loud, not meant for them to be heard, but they could still.



So I start kino. I don't know how, he gets the german to follow him in 
the kitchen. They fluff talk. I kino on the italian and she does'nt 
complain. I go in some patterning, talk about music and on stage stuff, 
how you can be fascinating by someone blah blah. Kiss her. Ok. He then 
gets the german in my bedroom. I put the italian on the couch. Heavy 
petting. Fingering. She's fucking WET. 


Heavy petting for quite a long time, but she does'nt want to go full 
way. "You must think I'm stupid" she says. She's never slept with a guy 
so quickly. I nod. After 15 mins, I take her to my room, 
authoritatively. Condom. Remove panties. Fuck. 


Before I've been able to cum, Grand Master comes in the room, 
shamelessly, "Ah but you're naked LOL" he says to me. He kisses my chick 
good bye. She's fucking embarassed. "I have to see M. Good bye" he tells 
me. M. is another chick. Big grin on his face. No more fuck with the 
italian. She's sitting on the bed, looking in the void. Damn, that was 
embarassing. 


She has to see what the german is up to. She's left. Italian chick 
leaves. "Well ... see you soon." she says. And goes. 




From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep  5 23:03:47 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Grand Master update
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:12:48 +0200
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So I saw him tonite. He told me how thinks exactly happened:
actually, when he took the german chick away, he told her that
WE (the spanish girl and I) wanted to be alone. "What do you mean?"
she asked "are you blind or something? you can't see what they're
up to? or you want to watch them? do you know how embarassing
it is when people want to be alone and there's someone watching?"
And that was it. So he took her away. There we (the spanish and
I) thought they were fucking -- but they were'nt ... yet. And 
of course, the thought that they were fucking made OUR fucking
happen (social proof!) And then he took her away back to HIS
place, where, social proof applied back AND she fucked him!

(The funny part being, she was of the anal type, and 
preferred to be sodomized ... she even asked him to be
violent with him!!!!)

Shit. That guy is a-ma-zing. That's the most brilliant use
of social proof I've seen so far. 

Also, his opening was: "I dig you". Hm . He despises guys
who do BSing. And then he told them that he was unfaithful
and that they could have him for one night, maybe two,
but never more. Don't even think about it!

That guy is FUCKING STRAIGHTFORWARD.



From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep  5 23:06:18 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Grand Master update
Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:16:07 GMT
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On 1 Sep 1999 16:12:53 GMT, Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org> wrote:
| |The principle probably works,
| | but there has to be a covert way to say or express this. I can't seem to
| | find one right now though.
| 
| He's NEVER covert.

But he can get away with ANYTHING ... because he's "just kidding".

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep  5 23:46:29 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM round 2 -- 2 #close
Date: 1 Sep 1999 09:15:25 GMT
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"Can I sit there? Is it ok, ain't I too sexy? You won't get too 
horny if I sit in front of you?"

This was an opening line. 


He does awesome lots of negations! It's too funny!

He does funny time distortions: I approach that girl who 
happened to have a job as a door-to-door salesperson. So he
explains how when she would ring the door, he would open in
a sexy lingerie, and would then make love to her.


I saw him work the magic, again, we could'nt fuck close, but we
# closed, and he got one additional number.

Several times in front of them he mentioned his girlfriend, but
in a funny way. 

He mentioned the date he was going to have sunday with the girl 
he had # closed earlier.

Joke: "I like you because you are really intelligent" (gesture around
his breasts while saying 'intelligent').

HE starts complimenting, then end taking the piss of them.

Penis jokes.

Penis jokes ...

Mine's longer than yours ...





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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sun Sep  5 23:47:30 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM round 2 -- 2 #close
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On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:32:03 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
<whoisthis19@my-deja.com> wrote:
| I've asked woman this;  Why did you fuck that guy?  Most of em say
| because he was funny and could make me laugh.  I'm very impressed with
| these crib notes Nathan.  These really are lines of humor I could use
| and seriously I'd use some of his jokes.  I'm still waiting to use the;
|  "Debby?  I havent done a Debby in awhile."
| 
| Quiestions  Havent you seen woman turn him off?  I mean he's in many
| woman's opinion a sleaze ball and a good way to get STDs.  Dont

He always mentions the fact that he uses condoms. Actually in one
instance he indirectly asked her one.

| woman just ignore him or get up and leave?  He's got to get quite a few
| woman really annoyed with him before he hits on a couple that are game.

Actually, that has'nt happened yet. And I'm as surprised by
it as you must be -- esp. given the fact that the places where
he operates women are hit on about 12 times a minute.

| Does he?  Is he a frenchman?  Are his targets tourists?

No. Yes. Not only: the girls we saw yesterday were french
students. Not parisians, though.







From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep  6 00:40:42 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM openings
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We got sit next to two UGs. Talk for a few minutes. Take the
beer bottle on their table, read the label, put it back and
say "I can't stand shy women". "We're not shy!" one says.
"What? We've been here for 10 minutes and you have'nt 
talked to us yet!"

Thought of this one: a cutie smiles to me furtively (she was with
mom) while I was walking in the street. Barely 17, but oh so cute. 
Hypothetical opening: turn back, "Hey! What does that mean? You
smiled to me and you did'nt even talk to me!"




From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep  6 01:23:34 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Awesome Sexual Joke PU
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Ah, sounds like GM's jokes. Good!


Mike a ?crit:
> 
> This is one thing, among many, that I used to pick up a HB on thursday.
> 
> We were both spending the day in a meeting, relaxed atmosphere. We had
> never seen each other before and would likely not see each other again.
> At first I didn't get much reaction from her, so I just kept cool and
> casually negged her whenever the opportunity came up.
> 
> Then I stared a little kino, with the negging.
> 
> Then, I told her this joke. This joke was originally told to me last
> year by a famous actor, whom I probably shouldn't name. I didn't realize
> the potentcy of this joke until yesterday. Here goes:
> 
> Quest:--What did Cinderella do when she got to the ball?
> 
> Answ:--(make a gagging sound -try it).
> 
> Why is this great? First of all, because it is FUNNY, I've always had a
> good response by it, and second of all, because for them to undertand
> it, they have to think about it, and DO THE SOUND (it's because
> Cinderella is gagging on the guy's cock, for those who haven't figured
> it out by now). Also, it's perfectly normal to tell jokes when you're
> basically there waiting for something to happen. The negging that I did
> just put me in a receptive light with her. This seemingly harmless
> joke just opens the door for more jokes. Follow it up with sexual jokes
> if you can, like this one:
> 
> Quest:--What's blue and creamy?
> 
> Answ:--Smurf cum.
> 
> Regardless of whether they think these jokes are gross or not, they
> still laugh, and the humor and the sexual feelings are linked to you.
> Now you gotta keep going to capitalize on this.
> 
> What I did was the incredible connection pattern, the attraction
> pattern, then some negation, and quotes combined with negation. I had
> her by the incredible connection pattern, so getting sexual with the
> negation and quotes was no problem. Then I illicited her values, and
> then asked her if she had ever had an orgasm. Then I had her
> re-experience the orgasm through skillful description and linked it to
> me. I tell you, I may have gotten some action that night, but I didn't
> want to wait around for an extra hour and look like and AFC, waiting for
> her to finish.  I got her number of course.
> 
> Opinions? Nathan? NYC? Dans? Odius?
> 
> Mike.



From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:47:51 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 08:41:56 GMT
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Are you ready to get laid twice a day?

Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
-- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".

-- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
-- I like you because you're intelligent <gestures over your breasts>.
   I like myself because I'm intelligent, too <gesture over dick>.
-- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
-- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
-- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
-- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
   hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
   there. 
-- Hide your pleasure!
-- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
-- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
   the women.

So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
inside. Nothign else.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 10:34:42 GMT
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING <HUG>" before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".


On 7 Sep 1999 08:41:56 GMT, Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org> wrote:
| Are you ready to get laid twice a day?
| 
| Okay here are your exercise for the week: approach 4 women a week,
| preferrably pairs thereof, and put the following in the conversation
| -- only, in a humorous way! And every time she looks vexed by the
| insult, hug her and kiss her and tell her "you're just kidding".
| 
| -- I'm organizing an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?
| -- I like you because you're intelligent <gestures over your breasts>.
|    I like myself because I'm intelligent, too <gesture over dick>.
| -- If you're nice enough I will lick you.
| -- How does it feel like to be with (one|two) handsome blokes?
| -- My friend's jealous bc mine is bigger
| -- Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 
|    hours. No we can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping
|    there. 
| -- Hide your pleasure!
| -- I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone.
| -- I wish I could split myself in 5 GM so that I could please all
|    the women.
| 
| So try that kind of stuff and report. Oh yeah, and never forget that
| your aim is to drag her to a private corner to put your willie 
| inside. Nothign else.
| 
| -- 
| Don't ask me personal seduction questions, please post to the group.
| ASF's practical FAQ and newbie starting point: 
| http://metabork.fr.eu.org/~nathan/
| 


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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
<LordGaeden@hotmail.com> wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:54:24 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
Date: 7 Sep 1999 10:34:42 GMT
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Ok some more lines:

-- if you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonite
-- I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonite
-- women are lining up to be with me
-- it's tough to be such a sex symbol
-- are'nt you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?

OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off
every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE WOULD!!
He would IF he did'nt say "JUST KIDDING <HUG>" before she has
a chance to reply.

Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
when you see it happening.

If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
"yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".



From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Mon Sep 13 23:55:06 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: More lines and IMPORTANT things was Re: Skill Building: GM exercises
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:18:35 GMT, LordGaeden@hotmail.com 
<LordGaeden@hotmail.com> wrote:
| He hugs them after his first line already? How can he get away with
| intruding their personal space so early on? I would guess that doing
| that would repulse the girls even more.

There is some progression, of course. But remember that he hugs
just after a BIG neg. Hence the invasion is masked by the embarassment
cause by the insult.

| > Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to
| > reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious
| > when you see it happening.
| >
| > If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying,
| > "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have
| > fun" or "I like to act like a little kid -- I'm a kid".
| 
| And then what does he do? He just keeps making sex-jokes, or he walks
| away?

No he carries on.

| Does GM constantly talks to the girl(s) he wants, or does he chat, walk
| off, come back later to follow up?

He's really persistent.

| Does GM get 10s?

There's a picture of a 18 yo girl he fucked in the lounge. She's
IMO close to 10. (The blonde one sitting at a caf?)

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:10:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: SLEAZE Line Week
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On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:36:57 GMT, mr.morg <M@M> wrote:
| OK these are both very powerful, SO COVER UR NUTS OR THEY MAY BE CRUSHED!
| 
| " heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec <pause>? You see a
| snake just bit my nads and i need you to suck the poison out"

From GM: "Are you hands clean? -- Yeah -- Ok, could you hold my   for
Status: O

me while I'm peeing?"




From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:30:29 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him, 
go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
before. He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
that fuck his approach. Approach another two set. We're getting
nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
8:30 - 0
8:45 - 0
9:00 - 0
9:15 - ?
LOL
Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works 
fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
it. 

To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them. He's not
too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
champagne. One of them is somewhat cute, fully pierce, I would
have thought she was a lesbian. The other one is shy and a
bit too fat for my taste. He leaves me the fat one claiming
it's gonna be easier. Not! He takes MsPiercing back to the 
bedroom. I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves, 
feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and 
ass) MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
as my birthday present. No. So he gets her to show me her titties,
(pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2 
days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie. 

Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does 
that. Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.

He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow. 
He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
actually, he says. She agrees.

---

Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
fact they've met before.

---


Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing 
the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in 
the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
LOL Just kidding".

As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
the 'just kidding' part. 

Talk about being straightforward.


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:35:13 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:45:07 GMT, whoisthis19@my-deja.com 
<whoisthis19@my-deja.com> wrote:
| In article <37D715B0.33FFAF61@metabork.fr.eu.org>,
|   Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org> wrote:
| > Sit at the regular cafe. He engages a single girl. I see him,
| > go do some stuff. She was waiting for someone. We engage
| > another one. Really cute, finnish. But she was waiting for
| > her bad boy. GM is smooth: a guy had just been rejected 10s
| > before.
| 
| You mean rejection doesnt phase him a bit and he just keeps on plugging
| away?

I don't get it? A guy approached her lamely. He does his
stuff anyway.

| > He complains about that shit (AFCs hitting on girls)
| > that fuck his approach.
| 
| Complains to you or to the targets?

To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important. 
Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
on them :)

| > Approach another two set. We're getting
| > nowhere. He asks them for a piece of paper. On it he write:
| > 8:30 - 0
| > 8:45 - 0
| > 9:00 - 0
| > 9:15 - ?
| > LOL
| > Every time we do the 'it's his birthday' gimmick. Works
| > fine to get whatever you want, as you will see.
| 
| God damn what an easy and effective gimmic!

Yeah, and even if it's an overused one, we don't give
a damn shit.

| > We approach another two: they're really cute. But one of
| > them is bitchy and fucks it up -- the cutest one could
| > be almost for it. As they don't go with the program he gets
| > even more direct -- explains his philosophy: take no prisoners,
| > err phone numbers, I have that many women, etc ... The cuter
| > one is fascinated. We offer one last time to go to my place
| > to celebrate my birthday with champagne, they don't say no
| > but the bitchy one bitches -- slightly. He ejects -- in a
| > 'you can't fire me cause I quit' way, he's really proud of
| > it.
| >
| > To retaliate we engage two merkins in front of them.
| 
| Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and SEE
| you eject?

Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours. 

| >He's not
| > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
| > champagne.
| 
| We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
| laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is your
| place from the cafes?

"N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
"Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
 Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
"Where?"
"At my place"
"He lives just round the corner"

And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.

My place is really close from the caf? -- that's actually the reason
why he does that with me! Yes, he uses me. I don't give a damn shit:
I'm using him too.

| > I pattern the fat one and get a hand job on her
| > nice titties, but no more. The bitch is wet but it's not in
| > her standard. That was long to get though. She leaves,
| > feeling uncomfortable. In the mean time GM has fucked (PIV and
| > ass)
| 
| PIV?

Penis In Vagina

|  MsPiercing. We go back to the living room, and have a nice
| > chit chat, and I'm surprised at how natural it is. GM is
| > pissed off bc he wanted to swap. So he asks to suck my dick
| > as my birthday present. No.
| 
| Is HE BI? or was this just a joke? or did you leave out the word "her"

No he's not bi, he asked HER of course.

| > So he gets her to show me her titties,
| > (pierced), then later undresses her, feels her up, I do the
| > same, she sucks my dick while he fucks her. She confessed to
| > me that she liked me more (?) -- that's happened before 2
| > days ago, it's probably the good cop / bad cop thingie.
| 
| Damn this is erotic.  alt.sex.stories.true  lol
| 
| > Anyway, she's really comfortable with it. He claims to have
| > un stucked her. Could be believed. Have to know how he does
| > that.
| 
| No kidding!  He's got to have a good technique in bed.
| 
| > Full porn action. Cool. The girl is a really good fuck.
| > Nice body. Nice pierced titties. Slim.
| >
| > He's leaving with her to get her to bring a friend tomorrow.
| > He wants that foursome thing. I find the idea of a girl
| > bringing in that 'trap' rather interesting. GM gets her to
| > agree that the fat one missed a good fuck -- two good fucks
| > actually, he says. She agrees.
| 
| I see GM taking the lead in most of this but I'm sure your doing things
| too.  I'll bet GM is more effective with you as a wingman than he was
| alone.  What kind of things do you do?

I don't do much! Actually I think that most of the time I'd rather
shut up than break stuff. Sometimes he tells me what to say, or
gets nervous bc I'm too quiet. He's really sarcastic whenever
I say something too common or not funny or negative -- which I 
hardly ever do anyway. 

| In cafes do you approach woman who are having dinner or just killing
| time having coffee?  Are woman used to being approached in these places.

Any woman. 

| Here it would be unusual, unacceptable and GM would get thrown out of
| any cafe here.

Look, it's really simple: he knows the bartenders by their name, they
know what he's up to. Actually most of them are jealous and act
like vultures, and fuck up his approach from time to time. But no
violence. 

And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making 
them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.

| > Approach he had used: I go tell a girl that my friend is
| > pissed off that she did'nt say hello to him, despite the
| > fact they've met before.
| 
| How did it work out?

She got puzzled, did'nt believe me, looked at him. I went back
to sit down, he went up, chatted her, but she was leaving for
the theatre or something.

| > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
| > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
| > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
| > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
| > LOL Just kidding".
| 
| This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
| disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just said
| is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
| always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at his
| jokes?

YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!

| > As he gets into 'rapport' with the girls, I've noticed, he
| > gets more and more direct, sometimes completely omitting
| > the 'just kidding' part.
| >
| > Talk about being straightforward.
| 
| God!  NOOOOOO SHIT!!!  Remeber when you said he just talked to a gal for
| about 20 seconds and she left with him?  Did you ever get the story
| behind that?  Did he just go up and ask her to fuck?  That was in a
| disco wasnt it?

Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
could he?)


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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 00:40:55 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM 8th Sept: porn style action
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whoisthis19@my-deja.com a ?crit:

> > To me. He always complains about AFCs fucking up his approach.
> > Vultures. He also claims that he has to reprogram women for the
> > others: with all that ass-licking they feel too important.
> > Hopefully he's here to change that for the next guys to come
> > on them :)
> 
> He makes an excellant point about HBs feeling too important that sounds
> like mystery.  He seems to be a natural.  I wonder if he went through an
> AFC phase once?

Indeed. And it's mostly a problem with the most beautiful girls -- 
but not all. Mystery knows how to disarm them, but STILL, it's
fucking tough. GM routes against that by surprising them with
his approach; however they can be quick to put themselves back
in that position.

And here I have an interesting thought: I have the impression that
sometimes they catch themselves in this habit; you have something
to offer (that's basically what GM says all the time), and you 
sense that they almost fall for it, BUT they're so used to bitching
and feeling important and 'winning' -- whatever it means -- that
they do the same old program again. 

Interesting GM thing: one woman claimed that we were on our 
battle field. He denied the term 'battle' -- no one loses. We all
win. Pleasure. 


> > | Did the Merkins see you talking to the bitchy one and her friend and
> SEE
> > | you eject?
> >
> > Actually, yeah. GM claimed they were friend of ours.
> 
> Hell of a good line.  Know something Nathan?
> 
> (True confession time)
> A couple hours ago I was thinking of using GMs lines but then thought;
> "It wont be natural, It's not my style, it will come off akward and wont
> work... I have my own style and should just modifie it..."  Know what my
> next thought was?  "Listen Greg,  You play guitar in differant styles,
> how did you learn those styles?  It's not something your born with - you
> learn it - practice it and it becomes so natural that when people hear
> you play they think it is a part of you."  In a nut shell - nothing is
> written in stone.  I can change my style with practice.
> 
> So...
> 
> About 10 minutes ago I got done trying a PU on two diferant chicks over
> lunch at a local bar.  (both were 6s but worthy) I stuck to using GM
> jokes and his frame of referance.  I've tested it and this stuff works!

And surprisingly so. You don't get rejected as you would expect -- 
when you think about it, to reject something, you have to know what
it is. When you've heard one particular line a thousand times, you
know what it means, what it is, what it aims at ... When GM approaches
she's here, wondering what the fuck is going on ... it's so 
outrageous, she can't react in a predetermined way.

>  It was at the point I was feeling a little guilty because one was a
> real sweet heart and I just wanted to fall back to being nice and
> letting her talk about her boyfriend - but when I did - Instantly I

Yeah, we all make that mistake. When I tend to fall in this, lately,
I remember that coworker of a friend, who looks soooooo innocent
and pure, and gets fuct by at least 3 guys every day, possibly
at the same time.

> could see it was a mistake so I'd come off with;  "I gotta get an
> operation tommorrow..."  and she be back in the;  "Your so bad" and
> hitting me... It was easy and she made sure to give me her phone number!
> I didnt even ask!  So now I have a hot call to make!

Ah! 

Look, folks, please apply it! And report!

> This experiment tells me to memorise every one of these lines.  They are
> killer!  Pure gold!  Please keep sharing.  These are powerful jokes.
> Funny how the one who gave me her phone number kept saying she loved
> sense of humor.  I thought the jokes weren't funny at all.  I was just
> mouthing words and she was laughing.  I couldnt believe it.  The other
> one had to go but she fell right into talking about sex.  WOW!
> 
> Some lines I havent tried and am thinking of what her obvious response
> would be and what would be the recovery for it.  For example;
> 
> ME:  Debby?  I havent done a Debby in awhile  heheheheh
> Her: Embarressed silence
> ME:  ??????
> 
> How does he recover in those situations?

He does NOT HAVE TO. They don't go into an embarassed silence. They
go 'what the fuck ...' or surprised and laughing, and anyway, before
they can express anything he touches them and go 'just kidding'.

> In fact any more lines, recoveries, ect... is pure gold to me.  Thanks
> Nathan.
> 
> >
> > | >He's not
> > | > too direct with them. After 45 min we go to my place to dirnk
> > | > champagne.
> > |
> > | We're they into the birthday excuse or were they going there to get
> > | laid.  When does GM make the "come to my place" move?  How far is
> your
> > | place from the cafes?
> >
> > "N., does that champagne offer still stand?"
> > "Sure, GM, I promised you we'd have some of that really good one!
> >  Hey girls, wanna drink some really good champagne?"
> > "Where?"
> > "At my place"
> > "He lives just round the corner"
> >
> > And then he insists a little bit. Like,  not bully style, but
> > he keeps asking the question, every 1 or 2 mins.
> 
> In this respect me and him are alot the same.  I'm goal oriented and
> once I've softened her up enough to start inferring this way I stick to
> it.  Still your lead in was excellant and the way he handled it after
> that was killer!!

Yeah it's really important. Bring them to a private place ASAP. A place
where you can fuck them. Where they don't have to think about all those
things, what to avoid etc.

> > And no, me thinks you are being too cautious here. If you are making
> > them laugh, nobody will think you're bothering them.
> 
> Have you been to a Denny's, Country Kitchen, Cracker Barrel?  That's
> what I'm thinking of.  Maybe you mean resturants with bars?  AHHH!!!!
> Now I see!  Am I right?

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking typical parisian
caf?. 

> > | > Oh yeah another interesting one: while we were fluffing
> > | > the two chicks at my place, one of them mentions the fact
> > | > that we have the morning pill in France, but not yet in
> > | > the US. GM: "You won't need it tonite, we always use condoms.
> > | > LOL Just kidding".
> > |
> > | This is so useful because I hate dancing around the condom/venerial
> > | disease issue.  He finds ways to joke about it.  Maybe what I just
> said
> > | is key.  He says what he wants to say and asks for what he wants but
> > | always with humor.  Do you find him funny?  Do the woman laugh at
> his
> > | jokes?
> >
> > YES THEY DO! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! IT'S IN-CRE-DIBLE --
> > BUT THEY LAUGH!!!!
> 
> Your right.  As I told the jokes I couldnt believe they laughed.

Yep. When I first listened to his stuff, snooping over the girls
shoulder, I could'nt believe what he was saying -- I actually
thought at some point that he was talking bullshit in order to
lead me into a dead end!!! LOL!!!

> > Not 20sec, 5 mins. But still. Not a disco, a cafe/bar. He did'nt ASK
> > for a fuck -- he never ASKS he offers CHANCES. And she was laughing.
> > I don't know what he did to her - he did'nt remember exactly (how
> > could he?)
> 
> cafe/bar!  I see...  ok we got those here.  They always look so dead
> maybe cause I go to these places to actually eat food not pussy. :-)

Yeah but they're perfect for his approach.


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:26:07 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Mr. GrandMaster
Date: 13 Sep 1999 09:14:32 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:25:26 GMT, thomas_gj@my-deja.com 
<thomas_gj@my-deja.com> wrote:
| Dear Group - dear Nathan
| 
| I really want to hear more about this GrandMaster.
| I'm more like a NiceGuy, but not in the classical way. I mean, I don't
| have these NiceGuy problems.
| 
| Still, though, I'm feeling drawn to this GM-stuff. It seems he is
| really confident and won't take any crap from women - I like that,
| 'cause there's so much of it.
| 
| But about him: Isn't it some sort of numbers game, when he plays? Can
| he only get one sort of women?
| 
| I know some women, that's very confident and mature themselves, and I
| have a hard time believing that they want to be around someone so
| arrogant and selfish as GM. I think they would give him the finger and
| don't even think about him for 2 sec.
| 
| But still...I AM feeling drawn, I do believe on some level that
| something is right about what the GM does.
| 
| So Nathan: Will it only work on some type of women? Is it a numbers
| game? Will it work on mature, confident women?

It's not just a number games. I has to though. I can explain why:
lately, we have met roughly about five 8-9 that we could have orgied
with ... problem? They were with a bitch. Usually less good looking.

Yesterday night, there was that 19 yo californian, OH MY GAWD titties,
they were pointing like crazy, you could tell she was wet and horny,
she was laughing like there was no tomorrow, AND she wanted (she told
us) to go back to my place with GM and I .... BUT (and I hate big
butts, and I cannot lie! ah ah) her 17 yo sister was NOT! So they 
argued in front of us, but the 17 yo bitch won. 

So the conditions always render the the thing a number game; because
we're on the program of fucking ON THE SPOT, closing to FUCK in 1 
hour max, and we don't want to deal with phone #.

| Look, I have so many questions...If you can get a feeling of my
| situation, what I want to know about this GM, please write a letter
| about it...On this group, or to me in personal.

Look guy, why don't you go to deja.com, do a powersearch and read
my posts from the last 2 weeks? 

You should be set.

| 
| My email:   gjedde@usa.net
| 
| Thomas, Denmark
| 
| Mindlist@egroups.com        is a great group, I think. Why don't any of
| you join!?
| 
| 
| 
| Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
| Share what you know. Learn what you don't.



From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:27:58 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: Mr. GrandMaster
Date: 13 Sep 1999 10:25:49 GMT
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:41:34 -0700, Brandon Van Every 
<vanevery@earthlink.net> wrote:

| > I know some women, that's very confident and mature themselves, and I
| > have a hard time believing that they want to be around someone so
| > arrogant and selfish as GM. I think they would give him the finger and
| > don't even think about him for 2 sec.
| 
| Your instincts are correct.

Is that your uninformed opinion? Ah ah ah ah!!! What a joke.

Saturday I had lunch with that 9ish, feminist, political science student.
Tall. Big tits. Nice ass. She had LJBFed me last year. So I tell her
the truth about what I'm doing. Explain her the concept of GM. What
we do. What he says. She claims he's a freak (which I genuinely think
he is), that only stupid women would fall for it.

Yeah right. From then on I started playing GM style. Joke on the 
size of my willie. On how so many woman want my body. And that kind
of crap. 

She laughed every time. She never ever said I was gross.


So here you go -- you make assumptions about things you haven't 
even tried. You're a loser.

| > But still...I AM feeling drawn, I do believe on some level that
| > something is right about what the GM does.
| 
| You are experiencing a power fantasy about the possibility of many babes lining
| up to suck your cock.  Get over yourself, it ain't reality, not as far as
| bagging self-assured women is concerned.

Look, the babe whose pic is in the lounge and that he handed to me
is self-assured, she's smart (studied philosophy), she's independent, 
etc. She fell for it, just as 3 as her friends. Oh well they became
friends after a 3 some with him. Ah ah ah ah.

|  The confident, mature, self-assured
| women have no interest in guys like GM...

BULL*SHIT.

| unless they feel it is their
| perogative to go out and fuck some man tonight.  In that scenario, it incidental
| that GM exists with his attitudes, he's an available body like any other
| available male body.
| 
| You are going to have to fish for women who are either immature or a bit
| dysfunctional, for GM's contrarian, borderline misogynist tactics to work.


You're really an idiot. I was there, mind you. That's not what I saw.
I sense you're a loser, though.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:38:25 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM joke
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"Hey girls, do you know how you can tell whether you like us?"
"No?"
"Well tonite, when you get back to your hotel, and you remove your
 panties, throw it in the air, and if it sticks to the wall, then
 that means that you liked us!"

I can't believe THEY FUCKING LAUGHED.


Damn it.


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:41:29 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
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On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:11:14 -0700, Brandon Van Every 
<vanevery@earthlink.net> wrote:
| 
| Daniel <danielt@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au> wrote in message
| news:37DCD665.8A0E883A@SPAMSUXprimus.com.au...
| > He seems to be getting bolder by the minute, i think though he should
| > realise that there has to be limits, otherwise he will push the chicks
| > limits too far..
| > just my guess
| 
| The danger is not in pushing too far.  People need/like being pushed far,
| especially sexually.  The danger is coming to the situation with so many of your
| own ideas, that you have no idea what's going on.  You just simply blurt out
| your own idea.  You aren't even listening to see if she has an idea, what her
| response is.  This leaves you with an inability to understand WHY she does nor
| does not like the joke you told.  To figure out what turns her on or off.

GM simply assumes that they want to get laid and that he is
the best thing that can happen to them.

All in all, that seems to work better than anything else I've
seen / tried.



From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:44:30 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
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Subject: Re: GM joke
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Simple.

"have you seen my new watch?"
"what?"
"it's a telepathic watch."
"What?"
"yeah he can guess things about you"
"yeah right, like what"
"hm ... right now it says that you have no panties"
"then it must be wrong!"
"<tap> <tap> oh it must an hour fast"

nightlight9@hotmail.com a ?crit:
> 
> Heres one I got today in the mail (not from a chick, but I though it
> was cute).  It would need some minor adjustments, I think but it could
> work (as quotes or with you playing the role of the confident male):
> 
> A rather confident man, walks into a bar and takes a seat next
> to a very attractive woman.  He gives her a quick glance, then
> casually looks at his watch for a moment.
> 
> The woman notices this and asks, "Is your date running late?"
> 
> "No", he replies, "I just bought this state-of-the-art watch and
> I was just testing it."
> 
> The intrigued woman says, "A state-of-the-art watch?  What's so
> special about it?"
> 
> "It uses alpha waves to telepathically talk to me," he explains.
> 
> "What's it telling you now?"
> 
> "Well, it says you're not wearing any panties."
> 
> The woman giggles and replies, "Well it must be broken then,
> because I am wearing panties!"
> 
> And the man starts tapping on the watch face and says, "Damn
> thing must be an hour fast!"
> 
> In article <rtq1g5kq1iv72@corp.supernews.com>,
>   "Vincent Runza" <blubobbi@ulster.net> wrote:
> > > My sister, who just graduated college, sends me the raunchiest sex
> joke
> > lists
> > > imaginable.  Things you're 100% sure were written by horny juvenile
> > college
> > > guys.  Praise be to e-mail for opening my eyes to what college
> girls find
> > funny!
> > > Cheers,                              3d graphics optimization jock
> > > Brandon Van Every                    Seattle, WA
> > >
> > > Experts eliminate the simpler mistakes in favor of the more
> > > complex ones, thereby achieving a higher degree of stupidity.  :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dear Brandon,
> > Ok, dude, post 'em here, for Chrissakes! There are newbies who would
> love to
> > be able to say, "A guy I know got this joke from his sister..." Share
> the
> > wealth!
> > Sincerely,
> > Vince
> >
> >
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
Date: 13 Sep 1999 13:30:34 GMT
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.

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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:40 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Re: GM come back lines
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Aaron R. Kulkis a ?crit:
> 
> Nathan SZILARD wrote:
> >
> > Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:
> >
> > "Hide your joy!"
> > "Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"
> >
> > And the best of the best (best responses):
> >
> > "If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"
> >
> > It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
> > is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"
> >
> > I would never have believed that without seeing it
> > happening before my eyes.
> 
> What he's doing is alleging that they subscribe to an undesirable belief,
> thust CHALLENGING them to refute what he has just said.

Yeah and what's more he REFRAMES (not in the NLP meaning) their
untold objection: the problem is not whether they like him, it
becomes whether they like cute guys or not, whether they're 
cool people or not ....

It's similar to the mechanism involved in the technique of
bait and switch or lowball (see Cialdini for more info).


That guy is amazing. 


Oh he did phone close 3 19 year olds half an hour ago. 

I have to go -- I have 75% to end the night in an orgy. 
See ya ;)

> 
don't.

From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Tue Sep 14 01:45:15 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: GM come back lines
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Whenever they don't react positively enough he goes:

"Hide your joy!"
"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, he was in coma!"

And the best of the best (best responses):

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!"

It's the best because, most of the time, as outrageous as it
is, they reply by: "no, no, we do like cute guys!"

I would never have believed that without seeing it
happening before my eyes.


From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Sep 18 22:30:05 1999
From: nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org (Nathan SZILARD)
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: The main thing in GM's
Date: 15 Sep 1999 16:48:44 GMT
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What makes GM so succesful? Not his dirty lines.
They key is ... know what you want.

Ok, so yesterday I go to PU bar 1, cross that girl who's going
to the bathroom, J. I spot her stool at the bar. Know the barman,
strike conversation GM style, she comes back, "hey baby, buy me
a drink and you might get lucky tonite". Got laughs. She's
of the really quiet kino type. Bright enough. F g tall. Big
boobs. Ok, a 9. 

I go GM all the way. Dick jokes. Vagina jokes. GM challenges.
She reacts positively but as I try to steal a kiss, she's
slightly reluctant.

I did'nt even phone close, I could have had.

What was  missing compared to GM: 
- did'nt try to pull her somewhere quiet; she was in front of
  her friend, exposed, and to the barman she knew as well.
- did'nt try to get her somewhere AFTER, her friend was going
  back home and she was leaving to accompany her to the metro.
  I could have said offered some opportunity, or even got her
  to show me her place!!! Crazy? Not that crazy, dude! I've
  seen crazier happen. 
- I did'nt even phone close, but I don't miss it that much.


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From nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org Sat Sep 18 22:32:28 1999
From: Nathan SZILARD <nathan@metabork.fr.eu.org>
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: A great GM comeback to the 'we're lesbians' objections!
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-- We're lesbians!
-- Oh yeah? I get along really well with lesbians. 
   I used to have lots of lesbian friends. Well now
   that they've met GM they're not anymore, of course! LOL