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Subject: Outing report: Ms. Black Hotpants; golddigger evasion; and
anti supplication evasive action..detonation!!
Date: 1999/05/30
Author: maniac_high
990529
Outing report: Ms. Black Hotpants; golddigger evasion; and anti
supplication..then detonation!..a dating disaster (for her! ;-) )
Hi all;
Today? outing is with Miss HB Hotpants,22 Y.O, (one of the chicks
from 15 phone numbers and 4 kiss closes), who (to my surprise),
*did* show up for her date, to my surprise. This didn’t go as well as
Ms. Kinky on Friday (who I laid), but there are many lessons to be
learned from this, so it is valuable too, and I will post this disaster as
is for learning experience. I want your constructive comments on this
guys!
Okay, HB hotpants was a golddigger chick it turns out. I did blow
her out half way through the date as a reuslt (was very funny; see
below!), but still the advice I am looking here, is how to do quick
detection and early removal of such chicks (in hind site, there were a
few clues, but this could be done better I think), to minimize the loss
of time/effort money, or to get her to respect you in a different way
at first so she doesn? even try shit like this (I can say though, from
what I can tell, I was the first guy I think to not supplicate and blow
her out like this..more on that later s I said, this story, though not a
lay, is an awesome learning opporutinty in its own way .
First, the summary (and then the story, from start to end). The chick,
was an HB, very cute. We had date..movie. We decided, we would
then go to supper, and then go drinking after. But she (w/o saying at
first) decided to bring a friend to dinner, and expected me to pay
(supplicate to her) for her and her friend? dinner. At that moment,
everything went blew up (when I refused to supplicate), and told
them to fuck off, and I went home right after dinner. (Her friend was
in shock actually s I gave hotpants HB a big chewing out and a fuck
off if she thought I was such an easy guy who would supplicate to
her overt acts of selfishness oy was she wrong, and I gave them both
and evening they will not forget for a long time .
Okay, the story from start to end, like the last time, opinions guys
please, and strategies for next time There were some clues to her
behavior, which I didn’t pick up, that I should have, we?l analyze
these too.
Allright, the beginning, I met Hotpants chick in a bar with Mr.
Smooth last weekend. Read the details of "15 phone numbers and 4
kiss closes" for how I got her, and what happened that day. Okay,
now one detail I forgot, which turns out is important. At one night in
the bar, when we were holding each other..etc, she wanted a pizza, so
she got up and waited for me, and we went to the other end to get
Pizza for everyone. We ordered it, and when the pizza came, she
didn’t gesture anything about paying money. I hadn? thought about
it, as it was for everyone anyways, so I paid it and we went down.
She also asked for a drink, but we had lots of tickets on the table
from the admission, so that was fine, it didn’t really cost anything.
Okay, fast forward to this afternoon. We meet; she said that she
wanted to see a movie, but I could choose, so we saw the flick, and I
bought her ticket (is this okay guys? Seems reasonable I think).
There was an hour before the movie, so we had some time. She said
in the meantime, she wanted to go shopping (I say fine). We head to
a dept store, and she starts looking at chick stuff (uh oh, supplication
evasive action needed), so after she buys somthing, I tell her I need a
guys necklace, and I want to get that. She says fine, and says that she
will follow me. From then, till the movie, we now shop for my stuff.
That is good, now I am leading her again.
As we walk around, I start my repetroire of questions, to start to get
her talking about passion and guy stuff. It is very hard, when I ask
her her favorite actor, she say no one particular. I ask her her favorite
clubs, she says everywhere I like. It was like this, for most things I
asked, so I couldn? get an anchor in, or get anything
started. She did respond okay to me touching her now and then
though with no resistance.
Before the film starts, she asks me what I am doing this evening, and
I say I haven? made particular plans yet. She tells me she has an
appointment with her chick friend, and would I like to join then (this
was strange, I posted a thread a while ago, about what to do when
chicks brings their friends uninvited, but there was no real
conclusion, except not to supplicate and be the nice guy who pays for
everything for her and her friends, as in such a situation there is zero
chance to lay the chick, chicks dont lay guys who supplicate).
But this was different (it seemed), she said she already had the
appointment, (why she booked an appointment the same day as a
date I dunno, though I guess now I do ;-) ), and was asking me to
join them. So I said fine, I will join the both of them.
We watch the movie, it was okay. The film ends, and she goes to the
bathroom (without asking, just she goes notice this is strange). Then
we head out, and she fails my arm holding a-la french promenade
test (she lightly rejects it). My experience here is that this is a very
tiny intrusion, and chicks who reject this, I never get to lay. This is
very bad, and I get concerned.
We get to the bus to go from Shibuya (where the film was), to
Roppongi, where she said she was meeting her friend. She gets on
the bus, and here is my first fuckup which I notice (maybe?). She
gets on the bus and waits for me to pay the busfare. So I did
(bad..ouch hough at first glance I figure I shouldn? think about
paying bus fare, it is only $1.50 anyways, but the gesture (and that it
was too cheap for her, should have clued me in). OKAY; MOMENT
OF TRUTH #1 ow would you guys have handled this (remember,
you are on a bus, in front of the driver, and folks behind you in line,
so scene making here is not really possible. Only thing I could think
of is tell her, she has to pay to ride the bus (at which point, it
probably is best I just get off the bus, since the date is dead
anyways .
Now, before, you jump on me for supplicating, the reason I did this,
is cuz a couple months ago, another chick did the exact same thing,
and I did lay her that night anyways o I figured that maybe it was
okay since its only $1.50, and it got me laid once anyways.. So this is
no so clear cut, like the arm-ala french promenade test.
Okay, so we ride the bus. Now an amusing thing happens. A guy
calls her on her phone, who I guess tried to get into her panties a few
weeks ago, but failed. She tells him he was rude (guess, he walked
her home, andthen didn’t want to leave after she insisted), and wont
give up. I gesture to her to give me the phone, so I take it, and say
"Hello; and the guy says hello; and I say, sorry; she? taken!";; that
was funny.
Otherwise, conversation is good, she says that she was out
everynight this week, and it was fun (she was wearing a super micro
mini BTW, today, and I have to say it was very nice), and drank a
lot.. She did hand shaking, and stuff; it was good.
We get to Roppongi, where we meet her friend, and Hotpants HB
asks me where I would like to go eat (this was odd I thought), so I
pick an italian place I like nearby. We go there, she picks up her
friend on the way. Her friend is cute, nice, but more shy. Seems like
a nice girl.
We have a nice supper and talk, I do my palm reading pattern, and
that works well, get some hand holding and all that. Then, something
happens, which tells me what? going to come next (that this date is
done, and they are about to be blown out nd I was write).
We were joking about her drinking nights, and I joked lightly, that
she goes meeting guys, and has them buy her drinks. She said yes, in
a smirky kind of way. Now I was expecting trouble, because, this
means that she probably was expecting me to buy her and her friend
(who I didn’t invite) supper. I get ready for the blowup and how to
handle it. She notices my face change, and asks me is something
wrong. I snap out of it after a moment, and get normal, and running
the patterns, and stuff again, and things are normal (hey, I might just
be wrong, and everything will be okay..so I stay positive, but prepare
for the worst).
Supper finishes, and now the blowup happens. The bill comes, and I
tell everyone how much they owe (actually, my intention was to tell
everyone how much they owe, and then when my chick HB Hotpants
took her money out, I would quietly gesture that she (but not her
friend) didn’t have to pay (why should I pay for her friend? I didn’t
invite her!).
But, then they tried to tell me they had no money (I figure that HB
hotpants, told her friend that I would be paying for everything). At
this point, I knew it was blown and didn’t care anymore; I asked
them again that they have to pay their share; and the guy was
waiting. They said they didn’t have any money.
Now I paid the bill (not to supplicate to the chicks; as I blew them
out instantly and in their faces once we got outside, boy were they
embarrassed but it is a restaurant I frequent often, my reputation is
important there and I didn’t want to make such a scene in front of the
staff and patrons, as I do wish to return again, and be treated well as I
always am, when I go there with someone else.).
We got out the door, and I let her have it totally. Her friend was at
first confused, and then horrified as I explained what her friend at
just done. I told her that I wasn? an easy guy, and wasn? going to
supplicate to her like this, just because she tramps around in a mini,
and although the friend seemed like a nice person, I wasn? going to
be expected to be the bank, and pay for her and all of her friends
adventures.
I went on to tell her, that I paid the bill only for respect of the
restaurant as I go often, and that she did an bad, selfish thing, and
that I was going home, and they can go do whatever they want
without me; that I wouldn? stand for this sort of thing, and I have
enough esteem to just say no. I told her, I have no problem to pay for
a date when I take a girl out, but I have a big problem if she expects
to bring all her uninvited friends and have me pay for them too
HB hotpants (who probably is used to supplication, and never had
this happen before), was shocked, and her friend was horrified at
what she saw happened, and my massive mood change from inside.
I told her (and her friend heard); that I was a good, guy, and always
treated a woman well when I was with them, but I would not let
myself be taken advatange of, and if she thought so, then she was too
cheap a girl for me, and she could go find someone else to be her
bank account cuz it sure wasn? going to be me. I also said that she
might think she is so cute that she thinks she can make a guy
supplicate to her all night and pay for everything for her and her
friends, but with me it wasn? so, and she wasn? that cute that she
could pull that with me, and even if she was, I was a not an easy guy,
I don? supplicate like the other guys she meets, and it wouldn? work
with me.
Her friend just stood there in shock as I chewed out HB hotpants on
the street in front of the restaurant; probably never having seen such
a demonstration of anti supplication in her life (and the respect I
showed for the restaurant, but not to HB hotpants after her deed).
Her friend probably never saw a guy tell HB Hotpants off like this,
thinking she was so cute no guy would ever dare Well I had no
problem doing so.
Then I said bye; turned around; and left..
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Okay, a couple things, first;; guys, look, the reason she was
expecting this, is because probably every other guy she ever went out
with, when faced with this situation; supplicated to HB Hotpants
because she is cute. But look!; once you supplicate..you lose he will
never fuck you ever.. And when you do this (let a chick try and
steamroll you this way..even if she is a 10), you will lose all your
money, your time, AND SHE WILL NEVER FUCK YOU! I know
this, and that is why I instantly cut her out, and cut her down, once
she tried this. We never went to the second bar, (which she probably
expected me to pay for too, for her and her friend(s?) ), so just I got
straight out of there after I finished chewing her out, and
embarassing her in front of everyone and her friend in the street in
front of the restaurant.
The lessons here..
HB hotpants was (genuinely I think), expecting that I would let
myself get taken advanatage of, like every other guy, and she was
going to show how great a guy I was to all her friends, and how she
could get me to supplicate for her and do her beck and call because
she is so cute Heck, maybe she even thinks this is (egads!) acceptable
behavior, just because so many guys supplicate to her that she got
used to it! So, lesson..supplication is bad..BAD, don? do this. You
ruin it for yourself, and the next guys after that, cuz she gets used to
all the supplication, and not having to fuck for it..
Anyways, back to the story well, I tell you, now her friends
*KNOW* how great a guy I am, cuz I stood up to her, right in her
face, in front of her friends..and told her off, and why, and that she
was too cheap for me, and I had no respect for her at all; anymore
am miles above her in rank now, and if her friend ever sees me
again, boy will she respect me (I am pretty sure HB’s friend was not
in on this game, just the unknowning victim HB Hotpants misguided
showoff attempt; judging from her confusion, and reaction once I
explained it)..just she wanted to show me off. .so now anyways, her
friend knows that I *AM* a great guy, respect a girl, but I dont take
shit and I don? supplicate, and I will respect the restaurant, if not
them! So in the end, I won’t. Okay, now, time to learn from
this..your opinions guys..realitically, what are some tests, I can put
on a chick to find this out very early on; with a very high accuracy,
before I waste an afternoon, and do the movie thing/supper. (I know
there were some signs, above; but as I said, they were not clear cut,
and I did shag chicks in similar situations (except for the supper
thing never ever shagged a chick who by surprise decided she
wanted to bring a friend to supper).
Ideas, opinions. Constructive comments on how I can do this better
the
next time (no flames please), and other ways of detection/detterance.
Finally, my major fuckup, is that somehow, I should have let her
known early on, and subtlly, that I don? supplicate, and not to even
try such a stunt with me. I want her to know very early on, that she is
meeting me because she potentially wants to fuck me (or is willing
to), and that there is no possibility whatsoever that I will supplicate
to her like all the other guys do..
How do I do this guys?
What could I have done (early on), to have her respect me (before
the dinner blow up), and not think about even trying a stunt like she
tried o that I could have shagged her after all (I mean hey, she
*does* shag guys sometimes).
(so weekend tally 1 fuck; 1 blowup okay I guess )
Opinions guys? (oh. Remember, .this is a learning experience, and
since there was not a lay at the end, I already know there were
fuckups o lets be constructive on the comments/criticisms ..
okay et?r rip!
Maniac High
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