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From: maniac_high@pickupguide.com
Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
Subject: Outing report (lay report); bagging Ms. Kinky
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:39:20 GMT

Outing report: (lay report) 990528

Hi all,

A few points of news this week. Mr. Smooth and I have postponed our
next outing to next weekend due to some OT he?s got to do on Sunday
(hey this is Japan ;-). We also decided to try restaurants and coffee
shops on some weeknights, so that should be interesting. Reports will
come as things happen.

In the interest of learning from mistakes, as well as successes, I will
post the failures (which there are tons of), as well as the successes.
This weekend was mixed, I laid one of the chicks I met last Friday (see
15 phone numbers and 4 kiss closes report), which I will talk about
below. As for the others, I called a few, and did notice that waiting 2
or 3 days before calling the chicks doesn?t work for bar chicks. All
the interest I built up during the meet in the bar is faded by then,
and it is hard to recover, even after I talked about how nice it was
that time we were in the bar together (opinions how to fix this
anyone?)  It seems  it is best to make an appointment for the next day
right away (I think RJ and Mystery also said this was better), or try
and get them out and home that night (somehow bad, because I think this
is hard, as Mystery said, and also it means you can?t hit other chicks
that night) or call within 1 or 2 days. Looking at my records over the
past year, the lay success ratio was much higher with these chicks that
I didn?t wait several days (on the contrary to shitloads of dating
books out there but that is the stats I made last year).

Of the numbers we got last week (smooth and me), about 3 /4 worked (in
a couple cases the girls were really drunk and probably forgot, and one
I think gave a fake on purpose). I gave none my number who didn?t give
me theirs.

I made a date with the black hotpants chick from last week for tomorrow
afternoon (a very hard girl to reach on the phone, I have been trying
all week, and got to her yesterday (I left one message mid week, which
she didn?t reply)), we will see what happens.  It has been a week, and
she didn?t reply the message the first time I left it;and
statistically, after this duration, I find chicks often cancel. In the
past successes have tended to be with chicks who I meet again within 2
days of meeting them the first time. With one chick from last week, I
did do this, and I could lay her pretty easily. From now on I will do
this with any chick I meet, and see if results are better.

With that in mind, I did get one of the other chicks out for lunch
middle of last week, which I also met that past Friday. I did manage to
lay this chick (Ms. Kinky) last night at my place.  Here is the story.
Comments / advice welcome.

As usual, constructive comments/opinions on the following always
welcome.. Its long, but the details are important I think (rather than
"I talked to her, and then I shagged her"), so I will put them all in,
from start to end..

Ms. Kinky is an OL (Japanese for ?Office Lady?). Japan is openly
sexist; they hire young chicks from 20-30 about to work in companies
doing all kinds of clerical jobs. They are all cute (you can
discriminate against fatties and uglies here, and no one will sue you),
and usually fairly easy to lay, as they are around 50yr old guys all
day who are married and have no social skills. Around 30, the chicks
get married, and new young ones replace them.

I got Ms. Kinky?s number last Friday the same day as my outing with Mr.
Smooth, but at another party I went to before. I had talked to her for
maybe 15 minutes. I did smalltalk with her, and then talked about her
job, asked her what her challenges are at work, and what kinds of
things she wanted to be doing a few years from now (the idea that I
wanted to get a bit of her core values out about not too personal
things right away). We made solid eye contact throughout the whole
talk, and I spoke deeply and slowly (seductively?) throughout our
conversation (faking warm and friendly). I didn?t do any SS this time
though. After our short talk, I told her it was really interesting to
talk to her, and that it would be really nice if we could talk some
more another time. She said that would be really nice, and asked how we
could do that. I asked her her number and she gave it to me, and her
email. I gave her my business card, and then I left.

The following Monday, I got an email from her saying she had a nice
talk, and how about if we go to lunch. I agreed, made lunch for
Wednesday.

On Thursday, I went to lunch with her, and found out about her
interests and her background (what was it like growing up in Japan,
what was college in the USA like?, interests (archeology, exercise,
jogging, painting). Then I asked her about her favorite movie. From
that I went to her favorite actor, and what traits she liked in that
person. Then I asked her if those were the same traits she wanted in a
guy that she would really like. (the traits were smart, handsome,
interesting).. Lunch finished in about 30 minutes, and she had to go. I
suggest that we didn?t have much time for talking, and how about we go
for drinks after work. She said that is nice, and in fact how about if
we see a movie next time. I agree, and we go for lunch.

Later that day, I email her, and send her that joke (about the American
college student in Europe, and the Italian guy who seduces American
college girls) which I posted on here last week. I (remembering the
experience above, not to wait for interest to wane, and to get that
next date right away)  suggest that we go out for a drink after work on
Friday. She replies fine, and I reply back that I know a good
restaurant that has Italian, and we can go there (noticed, how I asked
her for a drink after work, but then come back with an Italian
restaurant for the place to meet I am sneaky eh?).

The restaurant is in Ginza. This is a really ritsy district in Tokyo
(in the 1980?s, it was said you could take a US $1000 bill, and no
matter how you folded it, the land underneath it would still be worth
more..ah the bygone days ;-) ). The place we went to was really
reasonable costwise, and I know they wouldn?t rush us, which was
important, since I was going to pour on the SS tonight.

She shows up, and we sit at the bar as our reservation isn?t ready yet.
At this point we make solid eye contact, like the first time, and I
start with casual stuff (I found that when you meet a chick again, you
cannot just start where you left off the last time, you kind of have to
quickly do everything all over again, talk how is the job, and casual
stuff quickly, and move into the more personal stuff).

So our table is ready, and we get to the table, choose our order, and
now we can talk a while. I ask her about her hobbies (she likes
painting, so I talk about various painters I know). Then I ask her why
she likes painting, and does it make her feel passionate, when she is
painting. She says yes, and I have her describe that feeling to me. The
doggie dinner bowl look starts to come.

I refer to the joke above I emailed her, (see, the joke was a setup,
for this conversation, so I can get her talking about guys and
relationships, naturally, and right away). I run RJ?s "Can you believe
some guys are really like that" pattern, and then move into comparing
scumbag guys to guys who are good, and you can really get close to.
Then I run RJ?s IC pattern, the fascination pattern, and a bit of the
L-vs-A pattern, (I forgot 1 / 2 of it). After that, I ask her to tell
me, "if you could have your ideal BF, what would he be like". I probe
her answers (ie ".in what way is he caring  in what way is he
passionate.. :", and have her describe it to me in real detail).

Food comes, we eat. Here I lose it a bit, and start talking about her
family, background, growing up and stuff, and the most interesting
thing that happened to her in the US. The doggie bowl look starts to
dissappear..uh oh, ..

I quickly revert back to relationship stuff, and follow the stuff that
I think David shade said he did his post about his phone conversations
after meeting chicks on AOL. So I talk about her ideal relationship (I
repeat what she told me before). Then I ask her if she feels a bit
alone (she say yes), then I talk to her how bad that must feel like
(give examples; you are home alone, nothing to do, no one
calls..etc..etc). Then I suggest to her how nice it would be, if you
were not alone, if a man cared for you, and called you, and you could
feel security and safety with him, and how nice that would be. While I
was saying this, I take her hand, which was over the table moving as
she was describing the ideal relationship before. I hold on to it a
bit, while talking, and then let go.

I then talk about how it would also be nice to feel passion with that
person, and how he could help you discover new things about yourself. I
take her hand again while saying this. I then describe a passionate
evening, and while doing so, rub her hand in various gentle ways (the
description was a candle lit dinner at home, with food we made
together, a darklit room, with soft music playing in the background,
and the feeling that as you spend more time with that person, you?d
feel closer and more comfortable with that person). Then I asked her if
she was a good cook (a setup for a possible at home date, which I would
ask for later..but turns out it wasn?t necessary, as I shagged her this
same night anyways).

I then ask her to tell me what her friends say the kind of person she
is. This is a good way to get a person?s self impression, but not sound
like a strange question. After she finished, I had her tell me what
type of person she thought I was (she said I was intellectual, not
playboy type (ha..if only she knew.., but actually, many girls say this
about me), handsome etc). Good signs, all positive. The thing to watch
here, is when she says it, the tonality and eye contact. The girl will
always say good things about you, but the key is to watch her eyes and
expression WHEN she says it. That tells me, where I am with this girl,
and how much more work I  got to do on the girl, or if I can lay her
now or not. If her eyes are at the table, or all over the room, then
what she is saying may just be as a courtesy, and I am not yet getting
the effect I want with her..

Around this time, the supper is over and it is time to go. I suggest
that we go. So we finish up and go back outside. Outside, I remark to
her thank you for a lovely and romantic evening. At that point I
gesture my arm out, a-la french promenade style (like I did last week,
with that see-through pants chick, I picked up with Mr. Lager), and she
takes my hand (not my arm!). This is good.

I then ask her what are her plans tomorrow (here I am trying to see if
I can get her home tonight, or not). It is okay, she is going on a
trip, but not working, so she can be out late tonight. I suggest we go
to another bar and talk some more (actually, a more casual place, I
want to touch her more, and get her to touch me more), than we could do
in the fancy restaurant. We start walking around, to go to the place.
She is still giving me that look, and is rubbing my hand. I take her to
a corner and try to kiss her. She resists, but lets me kiss her cheek
instead.

Now, I remember the advice from that Australian guy who posted those
(excellect) comments about my Mr. Lager night on this newsgroup last
week, that I should force myself more, and kiss the chick, even if at
first she resists. So, I give  her another look, and ask her if she
likes me (she says yes). I say that is good, look into her eye, and
kiss her. Excellent (thanks, ??? Australian alt.sed.fast poster..that
worked). Now we go to a beer hall, and get a beer.

At the beer hall, I have her tell me about her past BFs, and what
happened for each relationship. She is sitting next to me now, without
a table in the way, so I can touch her easily now. When she says
something funny, I put my hand on her shoulder. The next time we kid, I
put it on her shoulder longer. The next time, on her shoulder again,
then slide it down her back. Then I take back my arm, but I move a
little closer to her. Now I ask her about where she grew up, and what
she was like. She was a farmers daughter, so I joke about that. Then I
put my arm on her shoulder, and run RJ?s massage pattern. I move closer
to her "to give the shoulder massage". Her legs are against mine now. I
finish the massage, and take my hands back.

Then, I joke about the other girls in the bar, and ask her to pick out
the girls she thinks are the cutest. I laugh at her suggestion, and
when I laugh, put my arm on her leg lightly, then take it back, and put
it back on her shoulder, and massage her a bit more. She tells me that
some of the girls are really country girls though, trying to look like
city girls. I ask her which ones. I laugh, and put my hand on her upper
leg again, and leave it here longer. She doesn?t resist at all. I tell
her that I am not ashamed at all, and will go ask the girls she picked
if they are really from the countryside or not. She laughes, and I put
my other hand on her back. Then I take my other hand (from her leg),
and take her hand, and joke, "no really, I am not afraid, I will go ask
them for you)., and then put my arm on her leg, a little higher than
last time.Again, no resistance.

At this point she puts her face close to mine, and I lightly kiss her
on her eyelid. She moves her head to her ear, and I start to kiss it.
(Some of the other Japanese girls around us look at us weird, I ignore
them..this is the homestrech with this chick..and anyways, they are
probably jealous, that I am not all over  them instead ;-) ). I then
hold her face, and kiss her on the lips again, and go down her throut
with it ;-).
This pattern (ears, cheeks, lips; repeats another couple times, as we
joke about farmers daughters, and  what they are like).  We finish our
beers, and I suggest we leave. We go.

We get outside, and start kissing madly against the wall of the beer
place. I tell her, that I would like to go somewhere and talk to her
more. Then she says she has to take a cab home, and get ready to travel
the next day, and that she had a nice night. (I say nothing, as I am
intent on spending tonight with her, so I just go with this, and go
with her to a cab). She asks me where I live [allright guys, now this
is really important, cuz Ms. Kinky now does this the rest of the night
? she will say one thing, and then do another the whole rest of the
time. *RECOGNIZE THIS*, cuz chick will sometimes say "take me home and
fuck me" with her gestures, while saying exactly the opposite with her
words, taken literally. The key here I found, is to read between the
lines].

I tell her where I live, and she says its not far from her place; so we
can share a cab. I say fine, and we get in the taxi. She tells the
cabbie to take her home, and then me. I then take her, and start
kissing her again, like before. Now, I go for it (yes, in the cab!),
and start letting my hands wander, over her shoulders, and then quickly
brush over her tit. She resists, moves away, but at the same time pants
a bit, and makes those "chick erotic sounds". That is a good sign
actually (it turns out that Ms. Kinky is a girl who like the guy to
"take" her, with a little bit of force..not a lot, but just a bit). So
I continue, kissing, lips, ears, neck, and my hands wander to her tits
again, and I put a hand there, and start massaging. She (lightly) tries
to take my hand away, but I resist, and keep massaging it, and she
starts to pant more, and make more erotic sounds.

[note; I guess in the states, the whole rest of the pickup from here,
might be considered improper..because in the USA, "taking a woman" who
gives light resistance can be construed as rape through some very
fucked up interpretations of the law recently in North America. I am
not a lawyer, but if you get a chick this way, and the next day, she
decides she doesn?t like you, or her friends give her some femnazi
shit, and make her change her mind about you, it might be a problem,
even if *SHE REALLY DID WANT YOU* when you took her, and the signs were
exactly that. Anyways, what can I say, it is a really fucked up
situation in North America legally right now, which is one reason I
don?t play the game there..they can all stay single, and it is too much
shit to deal with 

The key here though, is to watch her resistance level. If she resists a
lot, it is bad, and this isn?t really what she wants, but if she
resists just a little, then it is okay, she really wants more, and is
doing it for the ?seductive experience? of being taken by a man. Many
girls like this actually (turns out Ms. Kinky also likes bondage, SM
and a fanatasy rape experience; which she told me later that night).

 (Femenazi newsgroup readers how do I know this?  I asked her later
after I shagged her about this, and that is exaclty what she said her
words, not mine).  Lots of chicks (expecially, the ones who like
fucking as a mental experience, as well as the physical experience (and
these are also often the ones who also like bondage and light SM..which
is lots of chicks in Japan actually)) will do this to you. They will
give resistance, because they want to be "taken". It is just in a
woman?s gene.  In spite of the shit they teach you in US colleges, "no"
doesn?t always mean "no" it really does mean, continue or
harder etc  SOMETIMES..but just be careful, and watch the eyes, and
other reactions. My chick was panting and making all those erotic
sounds while resisting very lightly. This is okay. Heavy resistance and
a clearly unhappy face is bad, and is a sign to stop. Okay, enough of
this topic, anyways, laws in the US are very fucked up right now
regarding this, as I said, so be careful. In Japan however..no
problem..so the story continues 

The kissing and tit massaging continues, and she is going more crazy in
the cab. The driver (as a good Japanese should), is politely ignoring
all this, and taking us to her place. I stop massaging her, and tell
her that when I will arrive to her place, I will walk her home. She
declines my offer. I then continue kissing her, and get her tit with my
hand from under her dress.

She asks me then if she can see my place, for just a moment, before
going home. I say, it is okay, and we tell the cabbie to stop to my
place first. We continue kissing, and tit playing, and then I move my
other hand to her front. She resists lightly, but I continue, I put it
in her panties. She starts telling me she doesn?t sleep with guys the
first night. I say okay, I wont sleep with you tonight. We kiss more,
and I reach my hand in her panties. She is holding lightly from the
outside. I push (slightly) harder, and reach her hole, and just touch
it quickly, and take my hand out. Her erotic jolt makes her jump in her
seat. I kiss her more tits more, and go for her hole again with my
finger, and do her with my finger. She is getting really excited, but
is being careful not to be too loud (in the taxi).

This continues, till we get home, a 30 minute ride.

She gets home, and asks to see around. She does, and she heads for the
bedroom. We start kissing passionately and crazily, and I take her top
off. She starts telling me again, that she is not that kind of girl,
and not first night girl. I say okay, now tonight we just touch all
over. I then do a massage of her top back. Then we kiss and more tit
massaging. I ask to touch her legs (she?s got stocking under her
skirt), and at the same time pull her stockings and panties off at the
same time. I touch her legs, and kiss her, tits, and lightly put my
hand on her hole, once she jumps erotically.. Then she says again more
not that kind of girl..blah blah..I kiss her more, more tits, and she
starts going crazy..I get my fingers in her hole, and start doing her
that way, and she is getting more crazy and excited. There is no
resistance now to anywhere I put my hands. I get on her now and let her
feel be a bit. She gets erotic, and talks more about how she is not
that kind of girl..not first night girl; but then she kisses me
passionately all over.

I tell her I want her, and I kiss her, and touch her all over, and
finger her. Then I strip the rest of my clothes, get my condom on, and
try to shag her. She puts up more resistance..but again, light. More
kissing, tits..finger.. then I get in. Resistance breaks, and I start
screwing her.

But she keeps putting her hands in the way between her legs as I fuck
her. I put her on her belly, and fuck her some more. Hands in the way
again, so I take them and put them behind her back and hold them with
my hand. I finish fucking her, and then we massage, and then we start
fucking again. Her hands get in the way again. She makes another erotic
sound when I do this, and gets much more excited  (yep: Maniac has
found himself a kinky girl I think). I ask her if she likes that and
she says yes. I take her stockings, and bind her hands behind her back,
and continue to do her. She gets all wild, and I finish fucking her,
and untie her.

I ask her if she liked me tying up her hands, and she said yes, it was
really good in some strange way (she cliams she never did this with a
guy before not sure if I believe her though). I ask her if she likes
being made to surrender to a guy. She says yes it really turns her on
(that explains the resistance in the cab, and before the fuck she wants
the guy to TAKE her and now she tells me why,..and gives an
explanataion of why it feels nice.).

Now I go for the mind fuck too, as I want to have her surrender to me
in her mind, and not just her body (for the next time I shag her).  I
start playing with her hole, and I stop and I ask her did that feel
good. She says yes. I ask her if she wants more she says yes.. I finger
her more, wait till she gets all excited. I stop. I ask her, what is
her most inner sexual fantasy. She says it is a secret. I start to
finger her more. I stop. I ask her if she wants more. She says yes. I
repeat my question, and finger her a bit more..and I stop. I ask her if
she wants more. She says yes I repeat the question. I touch her hole
lightly, and ask her again,to tell me. She tells me. She says it is to
be tied up and be forced to make love. I tell her I see. I ask her
other really intimate questions, and get the answers this way. She gets
used to me being in charge now this way. She tells me she never met a
guy like me, and that it is really turning her on. (May be true or now,
but anyways, its a good sign).

I kiss her more, and make out more. Then I take her panty stockings,
and tie her all fours, and do her. She goes totally crazy. We finish.
Its late, and she starts to get dressed. She puts on her panty, and it
is a very sexy t-back. (I didn?t see it when I got the stockings off
before). I start playing with her in it, and end up doing her one last
time.

She finishes getting dressed, and I walk her outside to get a cab. We
are walking and kissing and making out more. I touch her bottom, and
she gives me the "bad boy but I like it" look. For fun I raise her
skirt from the back a bit (she?s just got the t-back on,and no
stockings (she forgot them at home, and I still got them..hehehe). The
erotic look immediately returns. I tell her, "oh, so you are an
exhibitist too..you like to be made to show what you shouldn?t, arent
you"..she looks erotic face again, and knods lightly. I take her to a
dark corner area (fortunately, tokyo is totally safe, even at night),
and raise up her dress, so all she?s got is her t-back and her butt,
breezing in the air. I finger her, more, and she gets really crazy. She
is a bit noisy, so I stop. I tell her, that I know what she wants, and
I will prepare more for her the next time. She looks at me, and tells
me she never met a guy like me before who could get totally into her
mind, and her body, and bring out exactly what she wanted. That is
exactly what I wanted to hear  a perfect night for her, and for me,
which is always what I aim for. We find a cab, we kiss, and she leaves
and I go home.

(Oh, I went out tonight with another new wingman since Smooth was busy.
It was shitty, our styles are really different and he is really awkward
in bars it made me look bad, so we couldn?t get going. He is
successful though on his own, just differnet style .so I came home
early and wrote this  The lesson, interaction between me and my wingman
is really important I will be choose more carefully next time)

So there you go. Comments, suggestions and opinions welcome. I put a
lot of detail in, because many guys ask exactly details what to do to
seduce a chick, and find out andgive her exactly what she wants  This
is as detailed as I could get on this particular one. Hope it was
helpful, I welcome any constructive suggestions/comments.

Thanks to everyones? suggestions the last few weeks it did make a
difference in me bagging this chick.

Next time the hot mini shorts date results, and nanpa night sequel with
Mr. Smooth, among other things..

Maniac High








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